PlayStation 4 - November 15, 2013

[I OU a Beatn]

And honestly, CLW, I don't blame you for getting confused on it because Sony is being a bunch of douche rags with how they're stating things. This interview is the perfect example:

We've already come right out and said we're not going to allow online pass. And the word "allow" is key there. Specifically with online, with PS+ requiring a charge to play online, we would not want any publisher [to charge.]

In general, we're all businesses. Sony or Microsoft is never going to be able to tell EA or Activision exactly what they can do. What we like to say at PlayStation is that we set the precedent. The way we are approaching this is that we want this to be extremely consumer-friendly, extremely retailer-friendly, and extremely publisher-friendly. My personal opinion is that it's hard for me to believe that any major publisher is going to put an extra set of used DRM onto game titles because that wouldn't put them in a good spot, right?

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The bold part clearly says they're not going to allow any online passes (which is a joke because they have no control over it). Then, the very next words out of his mouth are "Sony will never be able to tell publishers like EA what to do." Uh, what the hell? Didn't he JUST say they weren't allowing online passes from anyone? But they also can't control publishers?

Absolutely the dumbest shit I've ever read in my life, and everyone at Sony that speaks about this does the same thing. It's really fucking annoying, to be honest.

The facts are this:

*Sony does not require a game to be registered on their system.
*Sony's first party studios will reportedly not use an online pass or anything similar.
*3rd Party publishers are allowed to implement online passes, full game passes, and if they so choose, are allowed to implement any other form of DRM that they want, whether that be online check at the start of the game, required online throughout the game, or whatever else.

Those are all 100% confirmed facts without the Sony PR babble.

[SCClassof93]

Would you both drop this or at least stop talking past each other

[CLW]

My personal opinion is that it's hard for me to believe that any major publisher is going to put an extra set of used DRM onto game titles because that wouldn't put them in a good spot, right?

This is basically my thoughts. Yes you are right. Theoretically, EA could come out and make me run a mile in under 5 minutes bench press 700 pounds enter in a 1 billion digit code that if not entered within 2 minutes self-destructs before allowing me to play Madden.

However, Sony's made it clear that DRM is wrong and they do not encourage it or support it through its hardware. IF EA (some other publisher) goes with the 5/700/1,000,000,000 challenge (or some other ridiculous DRM that isn't justified) I'm out and I'll laugh and post all the hilarious stuff on the net that bashes EA's reputation.

EDIT:

"it's just like PS3."

That's all I wanted. IF EA someone else institutes something I don't agree with I won't purchase their product but will have the ability to purchase products whose policies I agree with or at least accept.

"That's just something that we've always wanted to do," says Rohde. "It's not a plan that changed based on what Microsoft has been saying over the past month or two. It's just, 'Oh, I guess we should emphasize this now,' because it's a serious point of advantage for us. So let's have a little fun with it, basically."

that's interesting that (if you believe this) "just like PS3" was their plan and then MS' debacle turned it into a selling feature.

[I OU a Beatn]

This is basically my thoughts. Yes you are right. Theoretically, EA could come out and make me run a mile in under 5 minutes bench press 700 pounds enter in a 1 billion digit code that if not entered within 2 minutes self-destructs before allowing me to play Madden.

However, Sony's made it clear that DRM is wrong and they do not encourage it or support it through its hardware. IF EA (some other publisher) goes with the 5/700/1,000,000,000 challenge (or some other ridiculous DRM that isn't justified) I'm out and I'll laugh and post all the hilarious stuff on the net that bashes EA's reputation.

Agreed on all counts. Just because they can, doesn't mean they should. That's up to them to decide. I've never let that stuff bother me, so I'd buy it anyway if it was any good.

I was kind of holding out hope that publishers wouldn't do it, but after reading that Peter Moore interview yesterday, I know they're at least considering it. It'll be kind of funny to see if publishers are willing to try it and if so, which publisher shoots first.

[SCClassof93]

[CLW]

Agreed on all counts. Just because they can, doesn't mean they [will]. That's up to them to decide. I've never let that stuff bother me, so I'd buy it anyway if it was any good.

I was kind of holding out hope that publishers wouldn't do it, but after reading that Peter Moore interview yesterday, I know they're at least considering it. It'll be kind of funny to see if publishers are willing to try it and if so, which publisher shoots first.

Oh its CLEAR AS DAY to me EA was NOT happy with Sony's conference. They have PR problems as it is and Sony sticking up for its consumers is just going to DESTROY EA's reputation with allot of gamers when they go back on their no more online pass promise.

I'll be clear I will still buy the games if they are EXACTLY the same DRM wise as before (online pass). But EA puts the entire game behind a wall or some other tech crap and I'm out.

I don't think we are disagreeing on the actual facts right now re: PS4. I think the disagreement comes on how likely EA is to try to "pull something" DRM wise on PS4.

I think you are pretty convinced they probably will. I'm pretty convinced they won't or at least can't w/o suffering a huge blowback from some consumers. EA has to make a choice and its a choice they wanted someone else to make for them.

[CLW]

Meh I enjoy disagreeing/debating w/o being disagreeable. IOU and I haven't called each other a [CENSORED] or used any other profanities 18 times per post during our "debate".

I think its actually going to be interesting to see b/c IOU and I have been debating this issue pretty regularly re: whether a publisher can or cannot do this and not see a drop in sales. I wanted the opportunity to see a result and we might just get to see who was actually correct if EA has the guts to do what they wanted all along.

[JBHuskers]

[I OU a Beatn]

I don't think our DRM talk is welcomed anymore, CLW.

[CLW]

I don't think our DRM talk is welcomed anymore, CLW.

I'm still trying to figure out how to share PS4 games though this instructional video is really difficult to follow.



Maybe you can explain it to me.

[SCClassof93]

Meh I enjoy disagreeing/debating w/o being disagreeable. IOU and I haven't called each other a [CENSORED] or used any other profanities 18 times per post during our "debate".

I think its actually going to be interesting to see b/c IOU and I have been debating this issue pretty regularly re: whether a publisher can or cannot do this and not see a drop in sales. I wanted the opportunity to see a result and we might just get to see who was actually correct if EA has the guts to do what they wanted all along.

Look you have been in agreement for days. MS has not forbade used games but has made them a pain in the butt. PS4 won't forbade used games but nowhere has said third parties will have to agree. As I see it MS has stepped into the role of "dick" by protecting the "dicks", something PS did not do. I agree with the Sony model of business, give me choices and let businesses compete for my $$$. Sadly imho many will so have to play a game they will jump through all sorts of hoops to do so. This will aid in "dickish" business practices. None of us know the future but I do hope there are enough that will push back even to the point of not playing (go outside, read, anything) video games. If they all go this route that MS has set forth, I am out. I do have hope in the free market however to make informed choices.
I remember divx, brought to you by "dickish" and deceased Circuit City.

[SCClassof93]

I don't think our DRM talk is welcomed anymore, CLW.

Nah, just Gators

[SCClassof93]

I'm still trying to figure out how to share PS4 games though this instructional video is really difficult to follow.



Maybe you can explain it to me.

[Deuce]

Pure gold!


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[CLW]

For whatever it is worth PS4 "launch" edition remains #1 and "standard" edition is #3

XB1 "Day 1" is #2 and "standard" is #5.

So at least on Amazon Sony is out to some form of a lead in the US.

Interesting the PS4 games are also selling better than XB1 games

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-v...6427871011_2#1

[Kingpin32]

So when does everybody think the "Holiday Season" start? I think they might reveal a set date at TGS.

[Oneback]

I'm thinking late October, early November. I'll almost guarantee its out before Black Friday.

[JBHuskers]

So when does everybody think the "Holiday Season" start? I think they might reveal a set date at TGS.

I'm thinking late October, early November. I'll almost guarantee its out before Black Friday.

This. Late October.

[I OU a Beatn]

Yep, last 2 weeks of October or first 2 weeks of November. Somewhere in between there probably.

[Kingpin32]

I'm thinking late October, early November. I'll almost guarantee its out before Black Friday.

This is what I've been thinking. Their previous systems always came out right around the November month if I recall correctly. I think they're gonna want to give consumers time to get it before Christmas