Originally Posted by JeffHCross
Great point I didn't even think about that! This may be something to pass along to someone that works on the game, as it would definitely add some depth and realism to the no huddle system.
Great point I didn't even think about that! This may be something to pass along to someone that works on the game, as it would definitely add some depth and realism to the no huddle system.
They POSSIBLY could adjust the time that they take between picking a play and snapping the ball but I think in a lot of these videos we've seen, most of the teams run "NASCAR" style no huddle so their intention is to snap it as quickly as possible.
Exactly but it just sorta sucks when you can get 3 plays off in a total of 15 seconds
Tommy, what options do you play with? ie. auto sprint on?
I'm not sure I've adjusted those but I'll check now for you...
Auto Passing - Off
Auto Sprint - On
Auto Strafe - On
Off Play Call Style - Formation
Def Play Call Style - Formation
Show Play Art - On
Coaching Tips - On
In the past I've played with the auto strafe off as it bugged me but so far this year it hasn't been a hindrance... may turn it off to see how it plays. I'll also turn off Coaching Tips while I'm looking at that now.
Notre Dame's no huddle wasn't always hurry up, but more the threat of it so the defense can't sub.
Who is a better running QB, a QB with 83 Speed and 73 ACC or a QB with 71 speed and 80 ACC?
Last edited by Downinthebend; 07-02-2011 at 03:15 PM.
In the demo I am seeing some major issues where man to man blitz plays end up with a defender being left with no assignment and a receiver being left uncovered. Can you see if these exist in the retail version?
For instance, run Dime Normal DB Blitz (two slot CBs blitz, everybody else in man to man) against SG 5 Wide. The FS ends up not guarding anybody and L1 is left completely uncovered. Similarly if you run DB blitz against SG flex then the FS does not guard anybody and X is left uncovered.
It's not just that play either. Run Nickel 2-4-5 Silver Shoot Pinch against a formation with trips to the left. The SS ends up not guarding anybody and triangle is left with nobody assigned to him. Overload Blitz from Nickel Normal has the same problem. So does Zero Blitz from Dime 3-2-6.
It appears that there's something going on with man blitzes that send a slot DB which is causing confusion.
Also, can somebody check to see if the man alignment issues for 4-2-5 and 3-3-5 (not Nickel 3-3-5, but the 3-3-5 playbook), are still present. In particular it was an issue last year against twins and trips formations. Sometimes you'd end up with guys being assigned to guard a player way on the other side of the formation (or you'd have that weird issue where the SS would stand over the center instead of over his man). Against twins and trips sets, you'd end up with a SS in man coverage against a WR while your CB was on the other side of the formation against a TE. Are these issues still present in the game?
it also sucks that going out of bounds doesnt nullify a cheeser from calling hurry up on the next play,... I hate that
Whats to stop you from no huddiling after an out of bounds play?
Teams go no huddle all the time when they go out of bounds. OU hasn't huddled in about 3 years now. They don't even really huddle after incomplete passes.
Unfortunately right now it doesn't appear to be fixed entirely. The SS2 no longer stands over the center, he stays at home, but he's still assigned to the slot WR. However, I have noticed that as soon as any player is motioned, the assignment lines do correct themselves, so the SS1 is correctly assigned to the slot vs Y-Trips.
That said, I've done everything I can to make sure they're aware of the issue and they have certainly heard me. I'm not sure if they just weren't able to get the correct fix in place in time or what but I will say that I have faith that they will get it patched at some point in the future.
Actually, re-reading your question, not sure if the CB coming across the formation is on the horizon to be fixed or not at this point. That was less my focus to discuss with them compared to the SS2/SS1 man align against Y-Trips.
Thanks for checking on this. Just for clarification, are you referring only to offensive players that go in motion, or if any defenders move (i.e. the user manually moves any of the defenders)?
I am really disappointed to hear about the CB issues. Given how much they talked up the 4-2-5, I was really pretty sure that they'd have addressed this by now.
When the offense sends a man in motion. It's still a bug that needs to be fixed, but it at least appears as though it's something that should be relatively easy to fix since they have it working correctly now, just not working correctly all the time. Just have to put it under the microscope to see what's happening when a man is motioned that's not happening after first breaking the huddle.
Serious question for you, just for my sake of knowledge that maybe in the future I can make sure to pass along... against 4WR Trips, how should SS2 react? Should he come across the formation to cover the nearest slot or stay at home and have the man LB cover him? As well, should the CB come across everytime they're facing twins? For example, against Ace Twins, the CBs cover the WRs, the SSs cover the TEs, and the man LB covers the HB... ?
I am not an expert on real life 4-2-5 defenses, so you may want to talk to others, but I would assume that the game should try to match CBs to WRs first, SSs to WRs second, FS to WRs third (assuming the FS is in man coverage), and LBs to WRs last. That is more or less how the logic works if you're in a Nickel or 4-3/3-4 Defense.
So against 4 WR trips, I would assume that SS2 should react the way that a Dime CB would and go line up over the WR.
And yes, against Ace Twins, I would think that the CBs should have the two WRs, the SSs have the TEs, and then the LB on the HB.
More broadly speaking, they really need to address man alignment issues in general. Unless I have missed something, they still haven't implemented the PS2 version of Man Align that would cause defenders to go and line up directly over the person they are guarding. There are way too many instances (particularly against trips formations) where you end up with a defender standing 15 or 20 yards away from the man he is assigned to guard, and there's no fast/efficient way to get him to move into better position.
From what I've seen, the 4-2-5 is "new" enough that this depends on both the coverage called and the coach's personal preference.
Here's an example of football-defenses.com's 4-2-5 Cover 3 versus Trips:
But I've seen other sources that leave the Weak Safety on the weak side. Can't find a good example of a "rule" for Man Coverage though.
I believe that the Man Align you speak of is there, and is used by default, but that it's now influenced by the formations. It's no longer a hard and fast adjustment. Some formations/coverages have the LBs or CBs adjust and directly line over the man they're assigned, others don't. I haven't figured out the rhyme or reason yet though.
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LOL there should still be a little more delay when the ball goes out of bounds or a pass is incomplete, its completely childish how it works in the videogame. Its like all those east room idiots have ADT and turrets
Well, I've both been able to answer my question and not answer my question. The simple answer is that 4-2-5 vs Trips -- real coaches don't call man, they adjust to "Solo" coverage (which appears to be a Cover 2 to the Trips Side, with backside Man, if I'm reading it right). So still nothing on straight man coverage versus Trips ... maybe because it doesn't get called.
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Also, it looks like SEVERAL of the Cover 1 man to man blitzes from last year's game have been removed. I'm thinking of plays like Strong Man and NB Blitz out of Nickel Strong (probably the most popular defensive plays in online last year), Under Buc from 4-3 Normal, I forget the name of it but there was one in 4-3 Under that blitzed the LOLB. Basically I can't find any Cover 1 plays (in the demo at least) from a 4 DL formation that bring a blitzer off the edge. Can somebody check to see if these plays are gone from the game completely, or are they perhaps accessible in the custom playbooks menu?
Thanks.
My big issue isn't necessarily with LBs and CBs, but rather with safeties. For instance, a lot of times you end up with a safety guarding with the RB or a receiver on a trips side, and rather than go and stand over them, they will essentially stay in place (10-15 yards off the LOS, on the opposite hashmark), which is of course way out of position.
So as an example, suppose that the offense is in 5 Wide with trips to the right, and I call Nickel Normal Over Strong Brave. The FS is assigned to guard the inner most receiver on the right side, but rather than moving over to guard him, he will line up in his normal place, which then results in him being out of position at the snap of the ball to defend virtually any route.
Similarly, if you have a play like Cover 1 Man Press out of Dime Normal against one of the SG formations that places the HB on the weak side you can find yourself with the SS in man to man coverage against the HB, but not be in any position to defend a swing pass to the flat.
In some cases the problem is ameliorated by simply flipping the play, but in others (i.e. the Over Strong Brave example), the only way to address it is to manually move the player yourself.
Sometimes a case like that, in my opinion, is kind of a damned-if-you-do situation. If I'm reading your example right, though, wouldn't flipping the play put the nickelback directly over the #2 receiver on the Trips side, and then the SS over the #3? That seems right to me, unless I'm misreading your example. Just tried it, and it does exactly that. It's not pretty, because the nickelback shuffles over, but it's there.
However, going back to what I think you were trying to say in your example ... that the FS should move over and stand heads-up against the #3. Maybe. I don't have any real-world coaching experience, but I would be very surprised if a coach would so blatantly give away his coverage that there would be no safeties on the entire left half of the field.
As it stands now, without any adjustments, the FS lines up as a Single High for Nickel Normal Over Strong Brave vs 5 WR. If a coach hops on here and disagrees, I'll defer to them, but that seems like the best look you could ask for in that situation.
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