Gus is a million times better than Tom, I was half expecting a disconnect this year with having Collinsworth already in the game and adding in Gus. I wouldn't be surprised that next year it will gel a whole lot better.
Gus is a million times better than Tom, I was half expecting a disconnect this year with having Collinsworth already in the game and adding in Gus. I wouldn't be surprised that next year it will gel a whole lot better.
That's where we've been lucky with NCAA. Same crew year in, year out. Every time Madden changes, it's back to zero. TH was abysmal. GJ is just bad right now, but definitely better than TH. I really think the biggest problem with Gus is not what he says, but when. This falls on the devs, not on GJ. If they tighten it up (the timing that is) it won't be bad. Look at NHL or The Show (heck, IIRC MLB 2k8 was great).Originally Posted by JBHuskers
I don't see how in year one people can complain about Gus Johnson after SO MANY PEOPLE complained about Tom Hammond.
I will say that if I had to play a season with the Chargers and hear GJ sing (off key), "San Diego Super Chaaar-gers" every time I scored, I would be miserable.
I admit it... I actually liked Hamond... now that you've stopped laughing... seriously I did like him because he was such an improvement from the radio guy. I just wish this game could figure out its PRESENTATION direction.
Weird Facts:
1. You buy the ESPN license and use NONE of it
2. You stop using Madden all together in a game called "Madden."
3. Collinsworth gives you colour... NBC
4. Johnson gives you play-by-play CBS
5. Extra Point from the NFL Network
Ha! Play a game at Oakland with the Raiders - just as bad. I agree - the issue is more the timing of it than anything.
I wonder how much control the NFL has in what they can do. Would they let Madden NFL use ESPN when the NFL has their own network? With games split between CBS, NBC, FOX, ESPN, & NFL Network, I'm guessing we're going to see a generic presentation layout in the franchise for a long time.
CFB's main networks are ESPN, ABC (owned by same company) and then conference arrangements with FSN, CBS, and some other networks. When the biggest carrier of your games is owned by one family of networks and they show games from all conferences, that may be why NCAA Football was able to get ESPN broadcast integration. The same would go for ESPN in NBA ELITE. The NBA Network doesn't have the same pull or carry as the NFL Network and ESPN/ABC carry most of the televised games.
The truth is Madden has always had repetitive and bad commentary. Probably the worst of all sports video games every year which is embarrassing since it has the most resources.
Surprisingly he doesn't say it that much. In one of my leagues coming up my team is the Chargers so I play alot of practice/lab games with them (probably 25-30 so far and I've only heard about 8 times tops...and I have scored quite a few times in every game.
Doesn't NCAA as well? Even since Corso stopped doing the commentary, Herbs and Fowler are using lines from 3-4 years ago.
Hmm. I played 1 game against SD and heard it 2 or 3 times, maybe an anomaly, idk.
But that's fine. I have no problem with their commentary.
The real issue is the DRASTIC difference in style that Madden has used since getting rid of John and Al and it just seems like there's no volume equalizer being used. One guy is really quiet and then the other guy is screaming in your ear.
At least with NCAA, it's all the same volume (like in real life).
I'll be the first to admit that I normally don't even play with sound on the game anymore. I just listen to music while I play now because it's just easier.
Madden 11 is about to go to Gamestop in exchange for NCAA Football 11. It's like two entirely different issues. On NCAA, the man defense is so ridiculous that you can't move the ball. On Madden, if you throw for under 400 yards in a game, you're probably retarded. Hell, run corner routes all game and you're guaranteed to put up at least 40. Get one stop and you're good to go.
Man coverage isn't anywhere close to as bad as it was on NCAA and once they fix the pump fake issue, online will probably be fun again (besides the normal bullshit).
It'll still be laggy. I don't understand how Madden can be so smooth online and NCAA is jerky as fuck. It's been the same exact way the past 2 years and it's getting kind of ridiculous. NCAA on PS2 was smooth as hell and I was on a DIAL UP connection for most of that. They haven't had a single smooth game online this generation on the NCAA series, which is severely disappointing. I am waiting until they patch the pump fake glitch. I don't want to have to spend $50 on a new controller when I inevitably throw it out the window after seeing the glitch.
How long did I give you before you gave up on it?
I was talking with my dad about this the other night. The central problem is that announcers like Gus thrive on emotion and improvisation. His entire career, everything we love about him, is about that. Trying to capture Gus's emotion in a video game is an utterly impossible endeavor, especially in one year. The catalog of audio you'd need to even begin to render his commentary properly ... there's simply no way it would work.I don't see how in year one people can complain about Gus Johnson after SO MANY PEOPLE complained about Tom Hammond.
Lee Corso was the same way in NCAA. Admit it ... the first time you heard some of his audio, you probably were amused. Shaking your head, smiling. The second time even, maybe. The problem, and this is the problem across all sports games, is repetition. When you have a unique personality in your commentary, the repetition kills it.
For a final example ... look at NHL 10's Stanley Cup Celebration. Great commentary. However ... I've seen it maybe a half dozen times, and I've heard practically the same thing every time. That ruins it after the first few times.
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It's not my fault. I think I have a legitimate complaint. I can't enjoy a football game if I'm only getting half of the game - the offensive half.
I totally feel ya there but because of the sliders and the fact that I hate playing online against people, I actually feel the opposite right now. I feel like I can shut down any team with just about anyone on defense.It's not my fault. I think I have a legitimate complaint. I can't enjoy a football game if I'm only getting half of the game - the offensive half.
I mean, I've built up my team in year 6 of my offline teambuilder dynasty to the point where they're perennial Big East Conference Champs (won 6 in a row now with the last being a Boise State like beatdown of my fellow conference foes) and in those 6 years, I've won 3 or 4 BCS titles and another BCS bowl to go along with it. I've yet to have a losing season and, in general, I'm simming games against poor opponents just so I can get past them. Pretty bored of it now, to say the least. I guess I could start over, but where's the fun in that?
Apparently I have to type something first in order to be able to do this ...
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Your point, IMO, is valid.
The above example, however, falls flat.
When you compare the repetitive nature of a championship celebration video (that someone should strive to see once, or a few times at most) to something you may hear every time it's 3rd and short, you're reaching at best. Even if you're only referring to it as an emotionally-charged sequence.
I honestly don't notice them repeating lines because I think the commentary flows well in NCAA. Nessler does a great job and they do a good job of mixing in random lines from a huge database. With the old Madden games, Madden would be guaranteed to say everything in his audio database within a game and a half. I don't feel that way at all about NCAA football. I think people are too critical of the commentary myself but I do miss Corso's humour.
As for Gus Johnson, this guy is like the #4 announcer on the CBS team. Just because people like him doing basketball games didn't mean he should also do Madden football. I will say this though - I think there are a lot of good college football announcing crews compared to the really weak group of NFL crews I hear today. Moose Johnston is lousy on Fox and he's the #2 team. Dierdorf is a good #2 guy on CBS but they get pretty thin after that as well.
Funny part is that I only play the game two to three times a week and I notice the same stuff being said..though I will say they aren't anywhere near the repetitiveness of what Corso's lines were. Its like that in both games but after a while I block it out honestly.
I agree that the two examples are of slightly different scope and scale. However, I was using it as a final example of something that really drew me in the first time, but the repetition really detracted from it after the first viewing.
I was particularly bothered by that one because the NHL 10 demo had put a lot of emphasis on the "buy NHL 10 to see the full Stanley Cup Celebration!", and it was almost the exact same as what I'd seen on the demo, with the same commentary.
But yeah, it's a big difference between repetition of the Stanley Cup Celebration and repetition of 3rd & 1. I guess the reason I thought of it is that, at first, I thought it was a really great post-championship celebration. Then after realizing how repetitive the commentary was, it wasn't so great (though was still far better than some of their competition).
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Understood.
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