E3 2013 - Schedule & General Discussion

[I OU a Beatn]

With Sony, it could and very well may be different from publisher to publisher, so you have to be careful with regards to various games you purchase and from what publishers. Something that Joe Public may end up finding out the hard way.

The potential is there. I don't know if it'll ever happen, mainly because those companies would get shit on 24/7 from angry mobs of internet gamers, but it's definitely possible.

[JBHuskers]

Again, don't you think Sony could have final jurisdiction and say no, you can't do that?

[SmoothPancakes]

There's a billion different ways they could do it. Take for example EA. They have Origin, right? What if they include some serial that has to be entered into Origin to activate it to your Origin account, and then you have to be online to play it. No serial? No play. No internet connection (at least at the beginning to check the Origin license)? No play.

I'm just guessing there but they could definitely do something like that. When you start a game like Assassin's Creed 3 or Far Cry 3 now, you're signed into Ubisoft's service UPlay. It's definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

Yep, I've seen UPlay woven into all of Ubisoft's games that I've played. Not much to stop them from turning it into a DRM for all their next-gen games where you have to enter codes or be online and connected to play.

[I OU a Beatn]

Again, don't you think Sony could have final jurisdiction and say no, you can't do that?

They've already said they're leaving it up to the publisher, though, so they've already said what their stance on that is. If publishers want to block used games, it's their choice to do so. There's really nothing there to speculate on "will Sony let them do that?" because Sony has already said yes.

[JBHuskers]

They've already said they're leaving it up to the publisher, though, so they've already said what their stance on that is. If publishers want to block used games, it's their choice to do so. There's really nothing there to speculate on "will Sony let them do that?" because Sony has already said yes.

And that could have changed since February.

[CLW]

There's a billion different ways they could do it. Take for example EA. They have Origin, right? What if they include some serial that has to be entered into Origin to activate it to your Origin account, and then you have to be online to play it. No serial? No play. No internet connection (at least at the beginning to check the Origin license)? No play.

I'm just guessing there but they could definitely do something like that. When you start a game like Assassin's Creed 3 or Far Cry 3 now, you're signed into Ubisoft's service UPlay. It's definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

That may be Sony did their part as far as I am concerned. When/if a publisher does it and I think they are doing it for an unjustified reason (EA Sports) I simply won't buy the product.

[CLW]

Well here is our answer (up to publishers) - same as PS3

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/...-to-publishers

[I OU a Beatn]

I guess if we live in a fairy land, it could have. But we don't. We live in the real world. That policy is exactly the same as it was in February. I knew the second they started talking about it last night using terms like "WE will not block used games" that it was the same policy. Besides, this isn't something new. Publishers had the power to do that this generation if they wanted. The used games thing really didn't become a problem until about midway through this generation, which is when we saw the online pass.

It's the publishers' games. If they want to implement some kind of check system into their game, there really isn't much Sony can do about it. I guess they could refuse the game to be on their system, but let's be real - they're not going to do that.

[JBHuskers]

Well here is our answer (up to publishers) - same as PS3

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/...-to-publishers

Key part of that:

Publishers of PS4 games, then, can do what's already done on existing PlayStation software: Limit or lock content behind online passes or redemption codes (or opt out of restrictions altogether), which differs from Microsoft's limited licensing of Xbox One software

Again points to the online passes.

[CLW]

I guess if we live in a fairy land, it could have. But we don't. We live in the real world. That policy is exactly the same as it was in February. I knew the second they started talking about it last night using terms like "WE will not block used games" that it was the same policy. Besides, this isn't something new. Publishers had the power to do that this generation if they wanted. The used games thing really didn't become a problem until about midway through this generation, which is when we saw the online pass.

It's the publishers' games. If they want to implement some kind of check system into their game, there really isn't much Sony can do about it. I guess they could refuse the game to be on their system, but let's be real - they're not going to do that.

Yep I'm fine with this. When EA brings back Online Pass (or the same or worse renamed). I'm out. There are too many other (and better) games for me to spend my free time with.

I buy my EA games new but I'm not going to support a company creating false markets for a product that obviously isn't up to snuff to get the profits they feel they are entitled to.

[I OU a Beatn]

Yeah, but that online pass could potentially block the whole game. That's what I'm saying. You very well could end up EXACTLY like the One in which there are no used games because they're all behind a one time use serial key.

[CLW]

Key part of that:



Again points to the online passes.

They are very different.

XB1 - EVERY game has that ridiculous rules/regs about used games and "always on"

PS4 - Publisher has to institute its own ridiculous rules/regs make them known to their consumer and watch the sales not come in.

[JBHuskers]

Yeah, but that online pass could potentially block the whole game. That's what I'm saying. You very well could end up EXACTLY like the One in which there are no used games because they're all behind a one time use serial key.

But I can still get the game from Gamefly since their codes are unused. Which is the only thing where this whole used game market pertains to me, well outside when I sell on eBay.

[CLW]

Yeah, but that online pass could potentially block the whole game. That's what I'm saying. You very well could end up EXACTLY like the One in which there are no used games because they're all behind a one time use serial key.

Well I'll go with the indie titles and the free PS+ games. I'm not kidding I'm not supporting companies that pull this crap and treat their customers like garbage and deny them the ability to re-sell a product. A concept that has been a given since the dawn of commerce.

[CLW]

But I can still get the game from Gamefly since their codes are unused.

Yep rent the game from GameFly day one. A week later buy it "used" for $45 and they will mail you the box and code to you. Now a publisher could require a code to play anything in which case noone could rent it but I dounbt anyone (other than EA) will try to pull a stunt like that.

[psuexv]

They are very different.

XB1 - EVERY game has that ridiculous rules/regs about used games and "always on"

PS4 - Publisher has to institute its own ridiculous rules/regs make them known to their consumer and watch the sales not come in.

But as IOU has said, how many publishers do you really think that are going to allow used games on one system and not the other?

[JBHuskers]

Yep rent the game from GameFly day one. A week later buy it "used" for $45 and they will mail you the box and code to you. Now a publisher could require a code to play anything in which case noone could rent it but I dounbt anyone (other than EA) will try to pull a stunt like that.

Yeah it's just going to be business as usual. Which is okay with me.

[I OU a Beatn]

But I can still get the game from Gamefly since their codes are unused. Which is the only thing where this whole used game market pertains to me, well outside when I sell on eBay.

I don't know...I don't think they would stock a game that only has a one time code for the WHOLE game. I know they did with games that only had an online pass, but I don't know if they would distribute a a game that has all of it's content blocked by a code that could have been potentially used. I don't know, though, that's something they would have to decide on. They'd only be able to send it out to one customer, so I don't see the point in that.

[JBHuskers]

But as IOU has said, how many publishers do you really think that are going to allow used games on one system and not the other?

Publishers of PS4 games, then, can do what's already done on existing PlayStation software: Limit or lock content behind online passes or redemption codes (or opt out of restrictions altogether), which differs from Microsoft's limited licensing of Xbox One software

The two systems are completely different. On PS4, they're going to have to go the Online Pass route.

[psuexv]

But I can still get the game from Gamefly since their codes are unused.

This isn't necessarily true. We have no idea how the code will be needed. If you need a code to just play the game and not an online pass then Gamefly won't have unused codes. We won't know until the publisher releases the details of how they are going to handle it.