I think it was exactly a stepping stone for Bill O'Brien to be honest. Correct me if I'm wrong here Eric but I've been told that not one of the coaching staff have purchased a house as of yet? Now I know there are factors there that can certainly cause such a thing, but it aligns with what I was told via a former coaching staff member and former player who does some PSU stuff with the program and for PSU fans.Originally Posted by skipwondah33
LOL Understatement of the day there
There has been mixed signals on this. As Snoop said earlier he only expected him here 3 years. He said when he was hired his dream is to be a head coach in the NFL, so most viewed it as a sort of stepping stone.
Paterno family released a statement calling the NCAA sanctions a "panicked response" that punishes the Penn State students.
Can someone explain to me the 5 year probation thing? What are they on Probation from? Highering future child predators? Allowing the football program to take over again? I'm not understanding the probation part. I get the scholarships, and bowl bans, etc...
The $60 mil also sounds really bad at first but then they say it's going to be broken up over 5 years at $12 mil a year. It sounded worse when they first said it, like Penn St was going to have to open up the check book RIGHT NOW and write a $60 mil check.
It's not cool that this will effect the football program and/or the current and future players. However, I'm thinking this is the exact message they are trying to send, right? They are trying to get the institution to understand what they did was wrong and they must pay for it. If Penn St is really bigger than Joe Pa, then they as an institution must pay the price, not just the people involved. I just keep hearing it's not fair for the players and the future of the univeristy, if others will claim that the university was NOT run by the football program then, the university should be punished. If the university WAS run by the football program, then again it should be punished. It seems to go hand-in-hand to me.
I'm sorry for the players, but not going to lose sleep over it. There are a small % of players that would make it to the NFL, to do this as a job. There isn't anyone saying the players still can't stay at Penn St, future players can't still PLAY for Penn St and OH BY THE WAY GET A FREAKING COLLEGE EDUCATION so they can get a job and be a productive member of society!
I think it's fine and dandy that you can play the card of, all these NFL players dreams are dashed, let's be honest, if those FEW players go somewhere else, those that do have PRO potential, they WILL get to play on other teams. Superstars don't sit on the sideline just b/c they transferred in late.
AND, if they do transfer to other schools and do not have the potential to play at the next level, they can still.....EARN A COLLEGE DEGREE. Isn't that, hopefully 51% of the real reason they are going to SCHOOL?
I understand that the NCAA is a "NFL mini-training camp" for a small handful of players, but you can't convince me of ANY football program that turns out 100% of their players to the NFL. Hopefully the education side of things is more important. Even if these handful of players make it to the NFL, how long are their careers compared to others with a degree and an education to help them more than just 2-4 years?
I don't think this punish the current and future players mentality is really a concern to the NCAA.
A) it's not like we have a time machine and can go back and change things, or punish things in the past.
B) the NCAA has a never ending talent pool (high school) to pull from so they don't really give a crap about the current players, it's not like football is going tos top b/c of this, so years from now if they do the right things they will be back, maybe not to where they were, but nothing is impossible.
C) I also agree with some of the analysts on ESPN, it's a mixed message the NCAA is sending here, that coaches shouldn't be idolized and they shouldn't be paid so much, hinting that it shouldn't be so much about the money...yet then in the near future there are going to be bidding wars over where the bracket games and national championship games are going to be held, so like I believe Chris Fowler said, "That ship has already sailed".
I think like a lot of things in life, when we don't get all the facts we leave things like today's press conference with a heck of a lot more questions than when we went into it. Like how he dances around the answer of not singling out individuals. It just begs the questions of WHY?
One other point, and again I can't remember which one brought it up, but why is Joe Paterno the one taking so much crap? What about this Graham Spanier, why isn't he being called out and hammered like Joe Paterno is? Is it b/c Joe Pa has passed and can't be taken to court? Maybe Graham Spaniers day in court is coming? I just don't understand why Joe is taking all the heat? Was HE the university?
I can agree that it is panicked. They couldn't even let the trials finish. Just sitting here, what happens if Curley and Shultz are found not guilty? Just wondering
An "oh shit" moment. I've been told 1 of those can ruin 1,000 atta' boys'I can agree that it is panicked. They couldn't even let the trials finish. Just sitting here, what happens if Curley and Shultz are found not guilty? Just wondering
Anyway thanks for the clarifications guys regarding O'Brien. I didn't know his main goal was to move to the Head Coaching ranks in the NFL. Not sure why he didn't just stay in New England unless the decision wasn't ultimately not his (wasn't going to have his contract renewed, fired, etc.) I mean if there is one thing BB can do is get your foot in the door for a head coaching gig.
I figured he was going to stay in the college ranks of head coaching which is why I said Penn State is/was a premier job.
I'm impressed with this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ncaa-sanctions
More like Curley and Moe.I can agree that it is panicked. They couldn't even let the trials finish. Just sitting here, what happens if Curley and Shultz are found not guilty? Just wondering
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The dude abides.
Will NCAA 14 have Penn St as a 1 star D team next year?
Gus come on man your so wishy washy here it's not funny.
First you said a few pages back that no current players are going to be effected by this then today you say they will then say they won't. Which one is it?? I'm baffled right now.
Then you say why is this all about Joe?? What about the other people? But again a few pages back you said that the reason is because Joe has a statue and because his name is on the Library. Again what are you saying or asking I'm confused?
Yeah, I'm sure that is true of some of them but, as with anything, sweeping statements meant to apply to many different people are dangerous. Either way, I think it's tough for anyone myself included, to speak as to how the victims feel about all of this. It's a tough tough situation with no good answers. All I really can say is that hopefully some good comes out of this.
To me an underlying reason and something note worthy was the immediate hiring of Josh McDaniel again. All while Bill was finishing out the playoffs as well. With Brady and his standing being questioned there mid season it's interesting to me atleast.
Their depth chart should hurt much in NCAA since we only have 70 roster spots
Now this is a good question.
Gus always brings the thunder
I thought that was because he was fielding interviews for jobs, then once Paterno was fired. McDaniels wasn't hired until later.
If the writing was on the wall for him to leave then that is understandable and probably the reason. I'm not a fan of either team so my knowledge of the situation is absent.
Still I wouldn't have thought he knew he was signing up for this. No one did until today.
Definitely.
Reading through that I can't help but think: Why the hell would you not follow up more. It is not enough to say that's all they told me. When you're the president of a university, you should should at the very least further investigate a report like he got. Ask a couple of questions for god's sake man. If I heard grown man, young boy, shower, & horseplay together. That's enough to merit a couple of questions at the very least.
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