The thing is you are both right. But the winner goes to Skip since he actually put examples with his argument and Ram was struggling to get his point across. Ram you needed examples like....

The Baltimore Ravens (pick a year)
1999 Penn State team - maybe one of the best defenses of all time with Arrington, Courtney Brown and such, but the offense was pathetic and wouldn't keep them off the field
2004 Penn State team - The defense was top 5 in about every category and they were 4-8 because their offense was terrible. The defense actually almost won a game themselves against Iowa as the score was 4-6.