PlayStation 4 - November 15, 2013

[gschwendt]

Sony loves the Oculus Rift. "No comment" whether PS4 will see future support for it.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/12/sonys-yoshida-weve-got-oculus-dev-kits-i-love-it/

[morsdraconis]

Sony loves the Oculus Rift. "No comment" whether PS4 will see future support for it.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/12/sonys-yoshida-weve-got-oculus-dev-kits-i-love-it/

It would be really amazing to see the PS4 support the Oculus Rift.

[Kingpin32]

Sony loves the Oculus Rift. "No comment" whether PS4 will see future support for it.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/12/sonys-yoshida-weve-got-oculus-dev-kits-i-love-it/

It'll be interesting to see the Oculus Rift for a game like The Division or Battlefield 4.

[ryby6969]

Used to have property in Oviedo, well aware of the average Gator grad ;)

I am talking about the people that could barely graduate elementary school! :D Polk and Lake counties are the epicenter.(not to take the thread off topic any more, lol)

[morsdraconis]

Also, am I understanding it correctly in that every game on the PS4 is required to support the ability to move the game to the Vita and continue playing it there (like the WiiU's implementation of their tablet and using the console as the computing "hub" to stream the game to the tablet)?

I will be seriously tempted to purchase the Vita if it works like that for all games on the PS4.

[gschwendt]

Also, am I understanding it correctly in that every game on the PS4 is required to support the ability to move the game to the Vita and continue playing it there (like the WiiU's implementation of their tablet and using the console as the computing "hub" to stream the game to the tablet)?

I will be seriously tempted to purchase the Vita if it works like that for all games on the PS4.
Yes. That's how I've heard it... it's not something that's up to the developers, it will just do it by itself. I assume it will use Gaikai technology to do so and I imagine it will kick on your PS4 to stream the game, but everything I've heard is every game will be supported.

[Kingpin32]

Also, am I understanding it correctly in that every game on the PS4 is required to support the ability to move the game to the Vita and continue playing it there (like the WiiU's implementation of their tablet and using the console as the computing "hub" to stream the game to the tablet)?

I will be seriously tempted to purchase the Vita if it works like that for all games on the PS4.

I think that's how it works. I've heard some of the developers say during Playstation's live stream say that it actually isn't that difficult to do, which is a great sign. But I'm waiting on a Vita price drop before debating whether or not I would get one.

[JBHuskers]

Sony loves the Oculus Rift. "No comment" whether PS4 will see future support for it.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/12/sonys-yoshida-weve-got-oculus-dev-kits-i-love-it/

What is it exactly?

[JBHuskers]

Also, am I understanding it correctly in that every game on the PS4 is required to support the ability to move the game to the Vita and continue playing it there (like the WiiU's implementation of their tablet and using the console as the computing "hub" to stream the game to the tablet)?

I will be seriously tempted to purchase the Vita if it works like that for all games on the PS4.

They said "almost" every game. So there may be one or two random ones that it may not work for it, but probably a good 95% of games will. Even before that I was glad I purchased one back in October. I've played it a lot more than the PSP.

[gschwendt]

What is it exactly?
Virtual reality taken to the next step. Several PC games support it natively (Team Fortress 2 is one) and several others can support it through 3rd party software. Others are building tech demos solely for it.

Everyone says that the immersion is unbelievable, enough so that in a tech demo with poorish graphics still convinces them that their head is being chopped off.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8zkbl6mKXE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwHIieJwxo0

[gschwendt]

Here's a video for Mirror's Edge using the Oculus Rift... obviously you can't fully appreciate it without the headset on but this guy has done several videos from various games and does a good job of describing the experience.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t9TwZ3jpPoA

[souljahbill]

Big Brother is probably tired of watching me whack it anyways.

ROFLMAO!!!

Best post EVER!

[gschwendt]

Up & Close with the PS4 Controller


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lSfMy7UR8Zg

[I OU a Beatn]

Glad they improved the triggers and spaced the analog sticks further apart. I can tell right now that I'm still going to need Kontrol Freeks. Why Sony and Microsoft keep the sticks so low to the controller are beyond me.

[SCClassof93]

I am almost blind, but did they do away with start and select? Hope so!

[JBHuskers]

I am almost blind, but did they do away with start and select? Hope so!

Probably will tap the touch pad.

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[CLW]

I am almost blind, but did they do away with start and select? Hope so!

They did but there is a "Options" button; "Share" button; "PS" button and the touch pad also functions as a button.

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA

10.8 Million views and counting in 3 days. :nod:

[JBHuskers]

I'm trying to memorize the steps. Almost got it down.

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[GatorfanStovy]

The new controller looks better every time I see. I can't wait to use it.

[CLW]

Sony Raises Its Sales Forecast For PlayStation 4"Demand may well outstrip supply."
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/sony-raises-its-sales-forecasts-for-playstation-4

[GatorfanStovy]

Damn I'm glad I got my pre order in. I better get one !

[I OU a Beatn]

Yeah, people are definitely going to be stomping each other in Walmarts across the nation. I'm so glad Amazon exists. I get mine at 10:00 a.m. on the day it launches. No waiting in lines, no dealing with people, just getting my system hand delivered to me.

[GatorfanStovy]

Yeah, people are definitely going to be stomping each other in Walmarts across the nation. I'm so glad Amazon exists. I get mine at 10:00 a.m. on the day it launches. No waiting in lines, no dealing with people, just getting my system hand delivered to me.

Agreed this time around its ordering online. Hell will massive crowds even for a system. Last generation systems i never got them on launch but this I am. So I ain't dealing millions of people either it would be funny but not worth the hassle. I just wish Amazon has some sort of warranty is all.

[Kingpin32]

Agreed this time around its ordering online. Hell will massive crowds even for a system. Last generation systems i never got them on launch but this I am. So I ain't dealing millions of people either it would be funny but not worth the hassle. I just wish Amazon has some sort of warranty is all.

This is why I didn't pick a Gamestop near me. I picked one near my job so I can just go pick it up in the middle of day during lunch.

[GatorfanStovy]

This is why I didn't pick a Gamestop near me. I picked one near my job so I can just go pick it up in the middle of day during lunch.

Yea I would pick it up in store.However, I not sure I will be around in my current state when November comes around. So oh well I will just buy an extended warranty if one becomes available from Sony after launch.

[CLW]

[Indy] Developers Explain Leaning Towards PlayStation 4 Over Xbox One
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/14/developers-explain-leaning-towards-playstation-4-over-xbox-one

[CLW]

PS4 Outpacing Xbox One Pre-Orders
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/14/e3-2013-ps4-outpacing-xbox-one-pre-orders

[I OU a Beatn]

$10,000 per update? Are you fucking kidding me? That may be the most asinine thing I've ever read.

[CLW]

$10,000 per update? Are you fucking kidding me? That may be the most asinine thing I've ever read.

Yeah that's a big hunk of change ESPECIALLY if your a small indy developer trying to make it. Thus, I don't imagine many will go to Xb1 and most will go to PS4.

[JBHuskers]

Damn!


We asked our readers who they thought was “winning E3” during the show. Over 280,000 of you responded, and Sony took the top spot with 81% of the votes. Microsoft garnered 12% and Nintendo grabbed the remaining 7%.

[morsdraconis]

$10,000 per update? Are you fucking kidding me? That may be the most asinine thing I've ever read.

Yup. I think the biggest thing yet from Sony is that they are allowing Indy developers to self-publish on the PS4. It costs the developers nothing extra and allows them the freedom to update whenever they need to, without paying anything for it.

Sony has made a BIG push for getting the Indy developers to come to them instead of Microsoft, and, so far, it definitely appears to be working.

[JBHuskers]

Is it me or is MS just shooting themselves in the foot for things out of the blocks?

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[I OU a Beatn]

Is it me or is MS just shooting themselves in the foot for things out of the blocks?

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This isn't just some recent thing. I remember developers complaining about the update costs years ago too.

[Kingpin32]

Is it me or is MS just shooting themselves in the foot for things out of the blocks?

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I just don't think MS cares about gamers as much as they did with the 360. Which isn't a good sign.

[I OU a Beatn]

I just don't think MS cares about gamers as much as they did with the 360 before they became obsessed with Kinect. Which isn't a good sign.

Fixed it for you. Microsoft hasn't been focused on core gaming in a very long time.

[CLW]

Saw an alleged XB1 developer posting on some other forums and they tried to spin it as we are bringing value with all this DRM stuff "its the future" "its just like steam" etc...

however at the very end the alleged developer admitted if you "ONLY" care about games then PS4 is for you. Don't remember the exact quote or where i read the article from but i felt that was a pretty damning admission by someone who allegedly helped develop the console.

[I OU a Beatn]

He's not wrong. I guarantee you this is the last generation with physical media.

[SCClassof93]

Saw an alleged XB1 developer posting on some other forums and they tried to spin it as we are bringing value with all this DRM stuff "its the future" "its just like steam" etc...

however at the very end the alleged developer admitted if you "ONLY" care about games then PS4 is for you. Don't remember the exact quote or where i read the article from but i felt that was a pretty damning admission by someone who allegedly helped develop the console.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2nbd5hy.gif

[JBHuskers]

Fixed it for you. Microsoft hasn't been focused on core gaming in a very long time.

Yeah you're definitely right with Kinect. The box is a lie. The game isn't better with Kinect.

[CLW]

He's not wrong. I guarantee you this is the last generation with physical media.

I don't disagree with that. However, I highly doubt MS follows the "Steam" model where there are deep discounts for digital media. Why? Simple. XB1 has no competition to cut prices on XB1 games b/c they are the only game in town. I suppose Sony and MS could get into price wars with digital 3rd party titles. However, unlike IOU MOST gamers by only one console and stick with it. Thus Sony/MS have absolutely no reason to cut prices for digital downloads from their own stores. That's why the used game market; Amazon; etc... are so... important they keep the video games market at least somewhat free and open which keeps prices in check and subject to the laws of supply/demand.

[Kingpin32]

I don't disagree with that. However, I highly doubt MS follows the "Steam" model where there are deep discounts for digital media. Why? Simple. XB1 has no competition to cut prices on XB1 games b/c they are the only game in town. I suppose Sony and MS could get into price wars with digital 3rd party titles. However, unlike IOU MOST gamers by only one console and stick with it. Thus Sony/MS have absolutely no reason to cut prices for digital downloads from their own stores. That's why the used game market; Amazon; etc... are so... important they keep the video games market at least somewhat free and open which keeps prices in check and subject to the laws of supply/demand.

I agree with the sentiment of most people sticking with one console or company. I was talking to a Best Buy employee earlier tonight and she was telling me how she has been with Sony from day 1 with the OG Playstation, but even the most die hard Xbox fan that works there has had thoughts of switching teams. This is the fanbase that MS is losing. People who have stuck with Xbox since it's infamy feel betrayed and left to dry.

[I OU a Beatn]

Seriously, someone explain to me the whole "I LOVE Sony" or "I love Microsoft." I just don't get it. I never have. I know people out there that would buy a Sony device over a Microsoft device no matter what, and I truly don't understand it. For me, the name doesn't even come into play. If I like what I see out of a device and I feel the price is right, I buy it.

Unless I was actually getting paid by one of these guys to give them my undying support, I don't think I could ever have a favorite brand. Hell, I don't even get the whole Android vs Apple thing. Maybe I'm just out of the loop. :D

[GatorfanStovy]

Seriously, someone explain to me the whole "I LOVE Sony" or "I love Microsoft." I just don't get it. I never have. I know people out there that would buy a Sony device over a Microsoft device no matter what, and I truly don't understand it. For me, the name doesn't even come into play. If I like what I see out of a device and I feel the price is right, I buy it.

Unless I was actually getting paid by one of these guys to give them my undying support, I don't think I could ever have a favorite brand. Hell, I don't even get the whole Android vs Apple thing. Maybe I'm just out of the loop. :D


me too. i will own bith new system eventually no big deal. enjoy them both i do.

[SmoothPancakes]

Seriously, someone explain to me the whole "I LOVE Sony" or "I love Microsoft." I just don't get it. I never have. I know people out there that would buy a Sony device over a Microsoft device no matter what, and I truly don't understand it. For me, the name doesn't even come into play. If I like what I see out of a device and I feel the price is right, I buy it.

Unless I was actually getting paid by one of these guys to give them my undying support, I don't think I could ever have a favorite brand. Hell, I don't even get the whole Android vs Apple thing. Maybe I'm just out of the loop. :D

Amen. I mean, are there forums with people "warring" about what TV brands they have, or people throwing shit at others for the type of Blu-ray player they own? Is there a DVD vs. Blu-ray war on some distant forum? It's just stupid. So someone prefers one system over the other. Good for them. It's called preference and options.

[Kingpin32]

Seriously, someone explain to me the whole "I LOVE Sony" or "I love Microsoft." I just don't get it. I never have. I know people out there that would buy a Sony device over a Microsoft device no matter what, and I truly don't understand it. For me, the name doesn't even come into play. If I like what I see out of a device and I feel the price is right, I buy it.

Unless I was actually getting paid by one of these guys to give them my undying support, I don't think I could ever have a favorite brand. Hell, I don't even get the whole Android vs Apple thing. Maybe I'm just out of the loop. :D

For me personally, as a kid when the OG Xbox came out I already had a PS2, and though I wanted a Xbox, my mom wasn't having it. Some people just feel a certain loyalty to companies like people have with sports teams. At least that's what I think.

[SCClassof93]

Finally Amazon has updated my PS4 to release day:nod: Now Sony is offering me 400 points to pre-order with them on my Sony card:dunno:

http://store.sony.com/p/PS4-PlayStation4-Console/en/p/PS490000

[GatorfanStovy]

Amazon hasn't don't that for me yet :( poop.. Still says Dec 31st .

[Kwizzy]

Amazon now has a bunch of launch day bundles posted with a game & a one year PS Plus Card for $499.... hmmm... I wish they had one with Madden because I'd be all over that.

[Kingpin32]

Are you actually getting a discount with these bundles?

[Kwizzy]

Takes $10 off. Normally- System $400, game $60, PS+ $50.

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[jaymo76]

I was very tempted to purchase the PS4 via pre-order but I decided against it. Without an NCAA edition I would not get a worthwhile bang for my buck. I just wish Sony would have more simulation/strategy titles as the "shoot em up" games don't appeal to me. Plus I am still nervous about what EA's next gen SPORTS titles will look like. I will probably pick up the PS4 for the summer of 2014 but I am looking forward to reading your Insights once your systems arrive.

[CLW]

Confirmed Day One




Battlefield 4
DICE
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/battlefield-4)


Call of Duty: Ghosts
Infinity Ward
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/call-of-duty-ghosts)


DC Universe Online
Sony Online Entertainment
Wiki (http://ca.ign.com/wikis/dc-universe-online)


DriveClub
Evolution Studios
Wiki (http://ca.ign.com/wikis/driveclub)


FIFA 14
EA Sports
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/fifa-soccer-14)


LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
TT Games
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/lego-marvel-super-heroes)


Madden NFL 25
EA Sports
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/madden-nfl-25)


NBA 2K14
Visual Concepts
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/nba-2k14)


NBA Live 14
EA Sports
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/nba-live-14)


Killzone Shadow Fall
Guerilla Games
Wiki (http://ca.ign.com/wikis/killzone-shadow-fall)


Knack
SCE Japan Studio
Wiki (http://ca.ign.com/wikis/knack)


PlanetSide 2
Sony Online Entertainment
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/planetside-2)


Skylanders: Swap Force
Vicarious Visions
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/skylanders-swap-force)


Warframe
Digital Extremes
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/warframe)


Watch Dogs
Ubisoft Montreal
Wiki (http://ca.ign.com/wikis/watch-dogs)








Launch Window Games

This is the list of games planned to launch for the PlayStation 4 between Day 1 and the end of March 2014 – the "launch window."
The company has yet to commit to specific dates for all of these titles. Check the appropriate wiki for updates as new information arises.


Game
Developer
Info


Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
Ubisoft
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/assassins-creed-4-black-flag)


Blacklight Retribution
Zombie Studios
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/blacklight-retribution)


Diablo 3
Blizzard
Wiki (http://ca.ign.com/wikis/diablo-3)


inFamous Second Son
Sucker Punch
Wiki (http://ca.ign.com/wikis/infamous-second-son)


Just Dance 2014
Ubisoft
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/just-dance-2014)


Need for Speed: Rivals
Ghost, Criterion
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/need-for-speed-rivals)


The Crew
Ivory Towers and Reflections
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/the-crew)


The Order: 1886
Ready At Dawn Studios - SCE Santa Monica Studio
Wiki (http://ca.ign.com/wikis/the-order-1886)


The Witness
Thekla Inc.
Wiki (http://ca.ign.com/wikis/the-witness)


Wolfenstein: The New Order


http://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/Playstation_4_Launch_Titles
Machine Games
Wiki (http://www.ign.com/wikis/wolfenstein-new-order)

[JBHuskers]

Awesome. Have Battlefield 4 preordered.

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[Kingpin32]

I thought AC IV would be a launch title.

[CLW]

I thought AC IV would be a launch title.


Yeah I did too esp with a release date in October but maybe that's just PS3/360.

[CLW]

wow going to be an expensive launch day for me as I'm tempted by 5 already announced launch titles: (1) Watch Dogs; (2) Knack; (3) 2K14; (4) FIFA; (5) Madden.

I'll also prob upgrade Drive Club it its solid from the + edition.

[GatorfanStovy]

I agree the launch day titles are gonna be awesome for me it will be, battlefield 4, Madden 25,COD Ghost ( 360) and perhaps Killzone. It will be an awesome November.

[JBHuskers]

http://ready-up.net/news/ps4s-playstation-plus-and-cross-game-chat-detailed/

CROSS-GAME CHAT! FINALLY! Oh, and you have to play for multiplayer on the PlayStation 4.
Sony has now confirmed that multiplayer on PlayStation 4 will require a PlayStation Plus subscription, and that cross-game chat will (finally) be available on launch of the new console.

Fergal Gara, Sony UK CEO, confirmed that the PS+ requirement came for two key reasons: “First of all, we wanted to introduce the console at a healthy price-point compared with PS3,” and the second was because Sony is “investing in a higher performance network, new things, better performance, [and] better reliability.”

However, a single PS+ subscription will cover all available Sony platforms (PS4, PS3, PS Vita, and PSP), and only the PS4′s multiplayer will require the subscription to function. Gara also took the opportunity to state what “immense value” PS+ currently is, covering all platforms, as well as providing free games of all types, and unique discounts on the PSN Store.

The PlayStation 3 was heavily criticized at launch for having an unrealistic price tag attached to it, approximately £425 in the UK, and currently the PlayStation 4 is sat very comfortable at a price tag of £349. A full £76 cheaper than the PS3′s launch price, and a slightly higher £80 cheaper than the current RRP of the Xbox One currently set at £429.

Gara also confirmed when when questioned on cross-game chat on the PS4: “It’s there.” Good. It’s about time, Sony.

[SCClassof93]

Wonder how long they will make us wait on a release date? Madden and Watchdogs I am certain on, may be a couple others.

[CLW]

Wonder how long they will make us wait on a release date? Madden and Watchdogs I am certain on, may be a couple others.

Sony ain't sayin' until MS says so Sony can launch a week earlier. This is how I imagine Bill Gates talking to the XB1 developers and Yosheda comes in to save the day....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27qp189oiFo


:nod:

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHNNhL1v9sY

[CLW]

New PS4 bundles on Amazon. I think you save like .02

[Kingpin32]

Cocaine fight!

[SCClassof93]

Sickle and Hammer :fp:

[Escobar]

LMAO at the PS4 controller outselling the XBOX one.

[JBHuskers]

LMAO at the PS4 controller outselling the XBOX one.

:D

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[jaymo76]

Damn pre-orders page mocking me. After making my decision NOT to preorder it seems like every site I go to has PS4 for presale. After watching that Knack video I may need to have the talk with the wife and explain that our marriage is strong enough for a ps4. :D

[GatorfanStovy]

Is the cross game chat thing like party chat ? I just wanna be sure. Better servers would rock!

[CLW]

Not that anyone would be surprised here but confirmation games remain $59.99

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/18/playstation-4-games-will-cost-5999

[JBHuskers]

Not that anyone would be surprised here but confirmation games remain $59.99

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/18/playstation-4-games-will-cost-5999

Jack had already said it would be that way back in February.

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[CLW]

Jack had already said it would be that way back in February.

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Yeah I seemed to recall this being old news as well especially since Amazon et al. have been taking $60 pre-orders.

[jaymo76]

Not sure if I will follow through with it or not but I decided to pre-order on Monday as a new set of inventory was made available. I figure I have a couple of months to influence the wife over the purchase.

[SmoothPancakes]

Not sure if I will follow through with it or not but I decided to pre-order on Monday as a new set of inventory was made available. I figure I have a couple of months to influence the wife over the purchase.

That's the way I am right now. I pre-ordered both the first day of E3 after Amazon made them available. I have at least three months to make up my mind on if I want one or the other, both or neither, on release day. Keep the day one pre-orders and sleep on it all for a while. Works for me. :)

[gschwendt]

PS4 release date 11/13?
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/20/has-playstation-4s-release-date-been-accidentally-revealed?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

[SCClassof93]

PS4 release date 11/13?
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/20/has-playstation-4s-release-date-been-accidentally-revealed?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

That would be on a Wednesday here in the states. Works for me :D

[Kingpin32]

PS4 release date 11/13?
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/20/has-playstation-4s-release-date-been-accidentally-revealed?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

This would be perfect for my timeline. And it's right at the beginning of the Holiday season. I think the Xbox One and PS4 release dates will be very close to each other.

[CLW]

Meh I don't think Sony probably has nailed down an actual launch date yet. To me its the easiest thing to move around so why announce it nearly 5 months ahead of time? They could easily wait another 1-3 months to re-stoke interest and see if they need some extra juice now that they are competing with XBox180 instead of the XB1

[CLW]

Best PS4 v. XB1 Memes from E3:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTGDmSvLvBk

[CLW]

IGN Sony E3 Awards


Best Game - Infamous 2nd Son
Biggest Surprise - Knack (this game probably won't sell but looks like allot of good/clean fun
Best Graphics - Killzone
Best Reason to Own a Vita - Killzone
Most Promising - The Order
Biggest Disappointment - Destiny of Spirits (Vita)


http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/21/e3-2013-igns-best-of-playstation-awards

[I OU a Beatn]

I'll believe in the Killzone vita when I actually play it. IGN raved about Resistance "finally being the go to shooter on the Vita," and while I enjoyed it, it was 3 1/2 hours long and the online was unplayable due to lag. Then, Call of Duty suddenly was going to be "the go to shooter on the Vita," and all it did was become one of the worst reviewed games of all time.

I have more faith in Guerrilla Games than the other studios, but they're also going to that stupid mission based story the last I heard, so that's already something I wont like.

Knack looked like a cartoon beat 'em up to me, so I'm not interested there. Shadow Fall, Second Son, and the Order are the ones that caught my eye.

[CLW]

I'll believe in the Killzone vita when I actually play it. IGN raved about Resistance "finally being the go to shooter on the Vita," and while I enjoyed it, it was 3 1/2 hours long and the online was unplayable due to lag. Then, Call of Duty suddenly was going to be "the go to shooter on the Vita," and all it did was become one of the worst reviewed games of all time.

I have more faith in Guerrilla Games than the other studios, but they're also going to that stupid mission based story the last I heard, so that's already something I wont like.

Knack looked like a cartoon beat 'em up to me, so I'm not interested there. Shadow Fall, Second Son, and the Order are the ones that caught my eye.

Yeah Knack definitely isn't "most gamer's cup of tea" which is sad considering how in the past EVERY console had a mascot cartoony platform game. I'll probably buy it and enjoy it and then people will make fun of me for buying/enjoying it.

I cannot play FPS so unfortunately the trend of me not being able to play a significant chunk of the games will likely continue next gen.

[I OU a Beatn]

Yeah Knack definitely isn't "most gamer's cup of tea" which is sad considering how in the past EVERY console had a mascot cartoony platform game. I'll probably buy it and enjoy it and then people will make fun of me for buying/enjoying it.

I cannot play FPS so unfortunately the trend of me not being able to play a significant chunk of the games will likely continue next gen.

I'd be fine with it if it was a platform game, but that's not what it looks like to me. It looks like you run around and just punch enemies, like a beat 'em up, which I hate. It just looks extremely shallow from what I've seen of it, hopefully I'm wrong.

[gschwendt]

I'd be fine with it if it was a platform game, but that's not what it looks like to me. It looks like you run around and just punch enemies, like a beat 'em up, which I hate. It just looks extremely shallow from what I've seen of it, hopefully I'm wrong.
Yeah, I wouldn't expect anything too deep... the director of the game was on Jimmy Fallon earlier in the week pitching it as a family-friendly game.

[JBHuskers]

That would be on a Wednesday here in the states. Works for me :D

I just want a damn solid date so I can guarantee time off at work :D

[JBHuskers]

To be safe, I just put in a request to take off 11/5, 11/6, 11/12, 11/13 :D

[Kingpin32]

To be safe, I just put in a request to take off 11/5, 11/6, 11/12, 11/13 :D

Ha! I would've attempted to take days off, but I preordered mine at the gamestop right across the street from my job lol.

[JBHuskers]

Ha! I would've attempted to take days off, but I preordered mine at the gamestop right across the street from my job lol.

Well I'm taking it off to play it. As soon as UPS delivers it from Amazon's release day delivery, I'm plugging that bitch in and playing, and not working the next day either.

[CLW]

I'd be fine with it if it was a platform game, but that's not what it looks like to me. It looks like you run around and just punch enemies, like a beat 'em up, which I hate. It just looks extremely shallow from what I've seen of it, hopefully I'm wrong.

It reminds me of Ratchet & Clank a little bit but we shall see.

[I OU a Beatn]

I love Ratchet and Clank, but at it's heart, Ratchet and Clank is a platform game. I hope that's what Knack is, but I haven't seen anything yet to make me think it is.

[SCClassof93]

I just want a damn solid date so I can guarantee time off at work :D

Wonder if my boss will let me off:D If so we can start a Madden league :nod:

[Kingpin32]

I've been so focused on the big time launch titles that I've forgotten all about the indie games that are being released on launch day.

[JBHuskers]

Wonder if my boss will let me off:D If so we can start a Madden league :nod:

I think I'm going to go ahead with the PS3 $100 version of Madden for Sunday Ticket. Sell the game, and wait for PS4.

[GatorfanStovy]

Is Madden given out deals for Sunday ticket?


I think I'm going to go ahead with the PS3 $100 version of Madden for Sunday Ticket. Sell the game, and wait for PS4.

[JBHuskers]

Is Madden given out deals for Sunday ticket?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CF7KVMI/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00CF7KVMI&linkCode=as2&tag=thegamtai-20

[GatorfanStovy]

Damn that is not a bad deal at all. BUt I don't wanna drop a 100 bucks on Madden .. OH well.

[jaymo76]

Yeah Knack definitely isn't "most gamer's cup of tea" which is sad considering how in the past EVERY console had a mascot cartoony platform game. I'll probably buy it and enjoy it and then people will make fun of me for buying/enjoying it.

I cannot play FPS so unfortunately the trend of me not being able to play a significant chunk of the games will likely continue next gen.

I'm in the same boat as I am NOT a FPS gamer. I have PS4 on pre-order primarily for sports but I really hope they throw some cpu style sim/strategy games our way. I will probably purchase knack as I showed the kids some videos and they were enthralled.

[jaymo76]

Well I'm taking it off to play it. As soon as UPS delivers it from Amazon's release day delivery, I'm plugging that bitch in and playing, and not working the next day either.

Dumb question but... will our PS3 account work with PS4 day one or will we need to go through all the steps of setting up a new account???

[GatorfanStovy]

You old ps3 account should work on the ps4 same account same company or at least I would assume it would.

A sexy new look for the ps4 below. I want it !


http://i.imgur.com/UFTxK3g.jpg

[jaymo76]

I'm sure it doesn't mean much but I see that my pre-order ship date has been changed to November 30th...

[SmoothPancakes]

I'm sure it doesn't mean much but I see that my pre-order ship date has been changed to November 30th...

Yeah, they still don't have the dates figured out yet. November 30th is a Saturday. They changed the Xbox One to Wednesday, November 26th.

[CLW]

20 Exclusives, 12 New Franchises Coming to PlayStation 4 in Year One
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/24/20-games-12-new-franchises-coming-to-playstation-4-in-year-one

[jaymo76]

Looking forward to seeing how the android/ios app works. I also want to hear more about your ps accounts. Will we have to sign in using our real names or can we still get by with our user personalities as in past? I don't know how I feel about the $50 for online multiplayer gaming... will playstation plus be included or an additional charge???

[gschwendt]

Looking forward to seeing how the android/ios app works. I also want to hear more about your ps accounts. Will we have to sign in using our real names or can we still get by with our user personalities as in past? I don't know how I feel about the $50 for online multiplayer gaming... will playstation plus be included or an additional charge???
I'm fairly sure we'll still have usernames. But yes, the $50 is for Playstation Plus that includes online play.

[CLW]

Looking forward to seeing how the android/ios app works. I also want to hear more about your ps accounts. Will we have to sign in using our real names or can we still get by with our user personalities as in past? I don't know how I feel about the $50 for online multiplayer gaming... will playstation plus be included or an additional charge???

As I recall people only see your real name if they are your FB "friend" (or you allow them to do so). Otherwise its just your PSN ID.

You must pay for PS+. However, the "only" things behind the paywall are online gaming and of course the freebies/discounts from PS+. Amazon, Netflix, etc... can all be accessed without PS+.

[jaymo76]

I'm fairly sure we'll still have usernames. But yes, the $50 is for Playstation Plus that includes online play.


As I recall people only see your real name if they are your FB "friend" (or you allow them to do so). Otherwise its just your PSN ID.

You must pay for PS+. However, the "only" things behind the paywall are online gaming and of course the freebies/discounts from PS+. Amazon, Netflix, etc... can all be accessed without PS+.

Good to hear. Thanks guys.

[jaymo76]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz_J0cHfQ_0

[JBHuskers]

As long as the store isn't a laggy piece of shit. I'm guessing better parts inside will help that.

[CLW]

Xbox One Backlash "Very Useful Source" for PlayStation 4
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/26/xbox-one-backlash-very-useful-source-for-playstation-4 (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/26/xbox-one-backlash-very-useful-source-for-playstation-4)

[CLW]

Sony Sacrificed the PlayStation 4 Camera to Beat Microsoft on Price
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/26/sony-sacrificed-the-playstation-4-camera-to-beat-microsoft-on-price (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/26/sony-sacrificed-the-playstation-4-camera-to-beat-microsoft-on-price)

Sony playing 3D chess while MS is playing checkers with their moves up to launch.

[morsdraconis]

Sony Sacrificed the PlayStation 4 Camera to Beat Microsoft on Price

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/26/sony-sacrificed-the-playstation-4-camera-to-beat-microsoft-on-price (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/26/sony-sacrificed-the-playstation-4-camera-to-beat-microsoft-on-price)


Ultimately, the limited functionality of the LEDs without the aid of the Eye won't impact the player experience or even drastically diminish the overall battery life of the controller, but it's a lingering reminder of Sony's failure to support the tech.

NOBODY WANTS A GOD DAMN CAMERA WITH THEIR SYSTEM. NOBODY CARES THAT SONY DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LED BULLSHIT ON THEIR CONTROLLERS.

IGN writer desperately tryin' to give Microsoft fanboys ammo when they clearly don't have any (besides what they already had from this generation's setups).

I couldn't give two shits about some dumb ass LEDs on the controller or their supposed implementation of it with their camera bullshit. I want to play video games god damn it, not exercise. If I wanted to do that, I wouldn't be playing a motherfuckin' video game. :fp:

[CLW]

NOBODY WANTS A GOD DAMN CAMERA WITH THEIR SYSTEM. NOBODY CARES THAT SONY DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LED BULLSHIT ON THEIR CONTROLLERS.

IGN writer desperately tryin' to give Microsoft fanboys ammo when they clearly don't have any (besides what they already had from this generation's setups).

I couldn't give two shits about some dumb ass LEDs on the controller or their supposed implementation of it with their camera bullshit. I want to play video games god damn it, not exercise. If I wanted to do that, I wouldn't be playing a motherfuckin' video game. :fp:

I agree. The article acts like it was a "big" sacrifice to take away the camera. Sure there are some things PS4 will probably never do now (call audibles verbally as an example) but I couldn't care less.

I've got an extra $100 in my pocket now and I'll gladly lose the Wii like function of Eye for $100.

I merely cited the article to show Sony is CLEARLY thinking about EVERYTHING they do with this launch. They are going for MS' throat and when they saw the opportunity to undercut MS on price they took it. They were very sly about telling retailers only no camera included. MS may have very well thought that Sony's PS4 was going to be the same price as XB1 w/o a camera (a feature MS might try to exploit/feature). Instead, Sony flips it on them and wins the PR battle with the lower price point.

[morsdraconis]

I merely cited the article to show Sony is CLEARLY thinking about EVERYTHING they do with this launch. They are going for MS' throat and when they saw the opportunity to undercut MS on price they took it. They were very sly about telling retailers only no camera included. MS may have very well thought that Sony's PS4 was going to be the same price as XB1 w/o a camera (a feature MS might try to exploit/feature). Instead, Sony flips it on them and wins the PR battle with the lower price point.

Yeah. Letting the US side of Sony take over this launch could possibly be the best decision that Sony has EVER made for their console department. They are going all out to make Microsoft look like the inferior product (though Microsoft quickly shot itself in the foot with the whole "must have Kinect to operate console" bullshit for most).

[CLW]

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[CLW]

A more "positive" view of Sony's decision than the "pro MS" IGN article.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2013/06/26/how-sonys-ps4-beat-the-xbox-one-on-price/?partner=yahootix

[I OU a Beatn]

I completely see the point behind what IGN was saying, which is rare, because most of their articles are horrible and riddled with moronic comments and statements by their writers. If you're not going to bundle the camera, why even waste your time trying to sell it? No one is going to buy it because no developers are going to support it, and no developers are going to support it because no one is going to buy it.

I don't think they were fan boy comments at all. It's going to be a virtually non supported accessory simply because it isn't bundled. With Kinect, it's coming with every console that's sold. Developers know that everyone has one and they're going to be more willing to support it. With Sony's camera, the install base is going to be fractured.

Personally, I don't care about motion controls and cameras, so I'd rather have the $100 cheaper price tag, however, the article is dead on.

[CLW]

I completely see the point behind what IGN was saying, which is rare, because most of their articles are horrible and riddled with moronic comments and statements by their writers. If you're not going to bundle the camera, why even waste your time trying to sell it? No one is going to buy it because no developers are going to support it, and no developers are going to support it because no one is going to buy it.

I don't think they were fan boy comments at all. It's going to be a virtually non supported accessory simply because it isn't bundled. With Kinect, it's coming with every console that's sold. Developers know that everyone has one and they're going to be more willing to support it. With Sony's camera, the install base is going to be fractured.

Personally, I don't care about motion controls and cameras, so I'd rather have the $100 cheaper price tag, however, the article is dead on.

Well the author's tone in the IGN piece is that it would have been better to raise the price $100 than to give up the eye.

Most gamers couldn't care less / don't want motion control with their next gen console the the $100 less price point was the way to go.

[I OU a Beatn]

I didn't get that at all. To me, he was saying it's pointless to even market the camera (which they did) because if it's not bundled, it's never going to catch on and be properly supported. Look at the Move. Has there ever been a bigger failure in such a highly touted and highly marketed accessory? I mean, that thing completely bombed and so will this. Even if Sony bundled the camera in some bundles and not the others, it still wouldn't catch on. The only way to make sure the device is fully supported is to package the thing with every console, like the One is doing.

I don't like it and I much prefer getting a console without a camera or other junk I wont use, but there's no denying that the only way to guarantee support is to bundle it, which is all the writer was saying.

[gschwendt]

A bunch of alcoholics get their hands on the PS4...

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[CLW]

A bunch of alcoholics get their hands on the PS4...

350335379116797953

Saw that and I was like WTF man working at IGN probably pays less than I made in fast food but if you get to drink on the job and play/cover video games wow what a gig.

[AustinWolv]

Being happy at your job = priceless

:D

[CLW]

Being happy at your job = priceless:D

Yeah IF my wife ever lands a job in the belly of the beast I'm sure as heck going to apply.

[CLW]

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[AustinWolv]

Mob mentality

[CLW]

Mob mentality

I think Xbox people need to realize they are more likely than not going to be in the exact position PS3 only owners were last generation (2nd fiddle). The vibe/buzz for PS4 has just completely knocked MS off of any logical message and they are reactionary to everything sounding like a bunch of arrogant snobs and/or crybabies.

At this point XB1 has no message and they simply need to hope COD and Madden people don't realize those games are also on PS4 and that parents are willing to shell out an additional $100 for an inferior console spec wize (but let's not talk about spec size b/c its embarrassing to those with shall we say lesser specs) :nod:

[CLW]

Sony Confirms PlayStation 4 Does Not Have a Power Brick
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/28/sony-confirms-playstation-4-does-not-have-a-power-brick

[AustinWolv]

An inferior console that does more, but there are sacrifices with either choice. Still haven't seen definitive proof, just that the games will look better speculation, as to what PS4 brings to the table that makes it the go-to choice.

The only reason I'm regretting not having a PS3 at the moment is Last of Us.

As to how M$ is screwing up their marketing and message, yeah, and? So did PS in the past, so have many other companies in other product industries..........it is worth a laugh and the internet memes are entertaining, but that is about it. Still comes down to which product fits the user better, and right now.........well, that conversation of pros/cons we already went through in the General Next-Gen thread.

Maybe a better answer will show up after the holidays, as the comparison chart linked in the other thread doesn't align with the internet mob mentality/myths.

[I OU a Beatn]

I think Xbox people need to realize they are more likely than not going to be in the exact position PS3 only owners were last generation (2nd fiddle). The vibe/buzz for PS4 has just completely knocked MS off of any logical message and they are reactionary to everything sounding like a bunch of arrogant snobs and/or crybabies.

At this point XB1 has no message and they simply need to hope COD and Madden people don't realize those games are also on PS4 and that parents are willing to shell out an additional $100 for an inferior console spec wize (but let's not talk about spec size b/c its embarrassing to those with shall we say lesser specs) :nod:

Not in a billion years. The PS3 was where it was at because of it's absolutely outrageous price tag, the complete lack of exclusives for the first several years, and the fact the system was nothing but a pain in the ass to develop for, not to mention it launched a year behind the 360.

The Xbox One has none of these problems. The price tag is more than reasonable considering the camera is included. It's got several exclusives that people are always excited for (Ryse, Dead Rising 3, and the jaw dropping Titanfall). It's using a similar architecture to what the 360 used and what the PS4 is using, so ease of development will still be there. Plus, they'll be launching within a few weeks of the PS4 either way, so that advantage isn't there, either.

They did what they had to do, IMO. They locked up timed exclusive content to the 2 biggest games in existence which will definitely coax consumers to buy their system (don't underestimate the power of having timed content on Call of Duty and Battlefield), especially the shooter fans. They introduced a system that will allow used games with no restrictions (I'm still pissed they changed everything, FYI) so no drawback there. Plus, they're going to appeal to families with all the TV features and all that garbage.

The 360 dominated America and regardless of price, it might not be as lopsided, but I'm pretty certain they'll win America again. It was always really close in Europe, and I don't see any reason for that to change. Sony will probably have a little bit bigger of a lead because of the TV stuff being suited for America, but it wont be a massive difference. Sony will own Japan like always.

Neither one of these systems is going to vastly outsell the other. In certain areas, Sony's console is much better, however, in other areas, Microsoft's console is much better. It's going to be a repeat of this generation, IMO, too close to care about.

[CLW]

Not in a billion years. The PS3 was where it was at because of it's absolutely outrageous price tag, the complete lack of exclusives for the first several years, and the fact the system was nothing but a pain in the ass to develop for, not to mention it launched a year behind the 360.

The Xbox One has none of these problems. The price tag is more than reasonable considering the camera is included. It's got several exclusives that people are always excited for (Ryse, Dead Rising 3, and the jaw dropping Titanfall). It's using a similar architecture to what the 360 used and what the PS4 is using, so ease of development will still be there. Plus, they'll be launching within a few weeks of the PS4 either way, so that advantage isn't there, either.

They did what they had to do, IMO. They locked up timed exclusive content to the 2 biggest games in existence which will definitely coax consumers to buy their system (don't underestimate the power of having timed content on Call of Duty and Battlefield), especially the shooter fans. They introduced a system that will allow used games with no restrictions (I'm still pissed they changed everything, FYI) so no drawback there. Plus, they're going to appeal to families with all the TV features and all that garbage.

The 360 dominated America and regardless of price, it might not be as lopsided, but I'm pretty certain they'll win America again. It was always really close in Europe, and I don't see any reason for that to change. Sony will probably have a little bit bigger of a lead because of the TV stuff being suited for America, but it wont be a massive difference. Sony will own Japan like always.

Neither one of these systems is going to vastly outsell the other. In certain areas, Sony's console is much better, however, in other areas, Microsoft's console is much better. It's going to be a repeat of this generation, IMO, too close to care about.

I'll make that bet. Sony will win America this time around unless/until MS comes out with some "game changer" that justifies the extra $100 price. "Game Changer" = another 180 on price dropping it to = or below PS4 price and/or some other unannounced feature that completely alters the concept of the product.

Sony's DRM announcement won this console war the second they announced it at E3 and MS knew it was beat and tried to mitigate its loss by the 180 and they have been spinning ever since.

This time MS has no year head start and they are charging $100/20% more in price. Kinect is garbage as I can "watch t.v." with shock my t.v. and a remote faster than I can by saying "XBox Watch T.V.". Hell, many gamers probably don't even own cable t.v. (Cord Cutters) so why would that "feature" appeal to them?

You've lost one "bet" (DRM) already I suppose its time to make you eat crow on another. :nod:

[I OU a Beatn]

You've lost one "bet" (DRM) already I suppose its time to make you eat crow on another. :nod:

You've said that about 3 times now, so I'll ask again, how? I said publishers will do it. I never said anything about whether or not Microsoft would change their policies, nor did I say Sony would actually do it. In fact, from the beginning, I said Sony would allow publishers to decide (which is exactly what is happening). I haven't lost the bet and wont until all publishers come out and say they wont enforce any type of used game restrictions.

On topic, I'm not betting who will win America because I don't know. I guarantee you it wont be as big of a difference as you think it will be. America is 100% FPS territory, and having timed exclusive content to the 2 biggest 3rd party shooters along with the most anticipated new shooter IP in Titanfall will go a long way in getting those shooter fans to commit to the One.

As for Kinect, that's your opinion. I don't like it either. However, selling 24 million Kinect devices in just over 2 years just goes to show you that the core player isn't the only player buying games or accessories. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant, because the consumer has shown that there's a good bit of interest in it.

Like I said, it'll sell extremely well in America, it'll do well in Europe, and it'll be irrelevant in Japan. Just like this generation. Regardless of who "wins," it'll be so close by the end that no one will care, much like this generation.

[SCClassof93]

Not in a billion years. The PS3 was where it was at because of it's absolutely outrageous price tag, the complete lack of exclusives for the first several years, and the fact the system was nothing but a pain in the ass to develop for, not to mention it launched a year behind the 360.

The Xbox One has none of these problems. The price tag is more than reasonable considering the camera is included. It's got several exclusives that people are always excited for (Ryse, Dead Rising 3, and the jaw dropping Titanfall). It's using a similar architecture to what the 360 used and what the PS4 is using, so ease of development will still be there. Plus, they'll be launching within a few weeks of the PS4 either way, so that advantage isn't there, either.

They did what they had to do, IMO. They locked up timed exclusive content to the 2 biggest games in existence which will definitely coax consumers to buy their system (don't underestimate the power of having timed content on Call of Duty and Battlefield), especially the shooter fans. They introduced a system that will allow used games with no restrictions (I'm still pissed they changed everything, FYI) so no drawback there. Plus, they're going to appeal to families with all the TV features and all that garbage.

The 360 dominated America and regardless of price, it might not be as lopsided, but I'm pretty certain they'll win America again. It was always really close in Europe, and I don't see any reason for that to change. Sony will probably have a little bit bigger of a lead because of the TV stuff being suited for America, but it wont be a massive difference. Sony will own Japan like always.

Neither one of these systems is going to vastly outsell the other. In certain areas, Sony's console is much better, however, in other areas, Microsoft's console is much better. It's going to be a repeat of this generation, IMO, too close to care about.

http://thesassysteelmagnolia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/fortune-teller-with-crystal-ball.jpg

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgkv8J367Lo

[CLW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXrBnipHyA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[jaymo76]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgkv8J367Lo

Wow! It really is a lot smaller than I thought. Plus, based on that video, the controllers don't seem as big as the ps4/xbox1 controller picture made them look.

[JBHuskers]

Wow! It really is a lot smaller than I thought. Plus, based on that video, the controllers don't seem as big as the ps4/xbox1 controller picture made them look.

Well the camera was right on the controllers, so the perception could be way off.

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn5AraH6wAQ&list=PL54DA5E32466C49D8&index= 1

[Kingpin32]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXrBnipHyA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I actually enjoyed this. It's real interesting hearing about how not only the PS4 came about, but how Mark Cerny played a role throughout Playstation's history.

[CLW]

I actually enjoyed this. It's real interesting hearing about how not only the PS4 came about, but how Mark Cerny played a role throughout Playstation's history.

Yeah I thought it was pretty interesting. Cerny is pretty damn smart (obviously) and you can tell he/Sony has learned from the mistakes of PS3. He even admits as much when discussing PS3.

[Kingpin32]

Yeah I thought it was pretty interesting. Cerny is pretty damn smart (obviously) and you can tell he/Sony has learned from the mistakes of PS3. He even admits as much when discussing PS3.

Yeah I've enjoyed hearing him talk about the PS4, and actually is making me want to play Knack just to see what he did.

[CLW]

Edge Magazine Cover:

http://media.edge-online.com/wp-content/uploads/edgeonline/2013/07/E256-cover.jpg

http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/e256-why-ps4-is-your-next-console-and-the-titanic-errors-on-xbox-ones-road-to-ruin/

[JBHuskers]

Edge Magazine Cover:

http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/e256-why-ps4-is-your-next-console-and-the-titanic-errors-on-xbox-ones-road-to-ruin/

Lot of XBOX butthurt in the comments :D

[jaymo76]

Out of curiosity what games, if any have people already pre-order? Right now I am looking at KNACK and FIFA 14.

[steelerfan]

Out of curiosity what games, if any have people already pre-order? Right now I am looking at KNACK and FIFA 14.

I have not preordered anything. I will get a ps4 at some point and, when I do, FIFA will be purchased with it.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[I OU a Beatn]

I don't pre-order unless it's some kind of special edition, but I'll definitely get Killzone Shadow Fall and Watch Dogs at launch. Battlefield 4, Knack, Assassin's Creed 4, Madden 25, Call of Duty Ghosts, and NBA 2k14 are all possibilities, too.

I can't remember a system launch ever having as much 3rd party support as these systems are going to have. It's ridiculous.

[jaymo76]

I have not preordered anything. I will get a ps4 at some point and, when I do, FIFA will be purchased with it.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

fifa 14 PS4 tourney... what do you say Mr. Commissioner???

[skipwondah33]

I don't pre-order unless it's some kind of special edition, but I'll definitely get Killzone Shadow Fall and Watch Dogs at launch. Battlefield 4, Knack, Assassin's Creed 4, Madden 25, Call of Duty Ghosts, and NBA 2k14 are all possibilities, too.

I can't remember a system launch ever having as much 3rd party support as these systems are going to have. It's ridiculous.I need your kind of money OU lol

I haven't pre-ordered any either. Only time I pre-order is when Amazon is giving credit back $15-$20.

Definitely getting Watch Dogs and likely Call of Duty. Want Madden but since I am getting it for PS3 can't see

Would also like to get 2K14 it looks like

[jaymo76]

I need your kind of money OU lol

I haven't pre-ordered any either. Only time I pre-order is when Amazon is giving credit back $15-$20.

Definitely getting Watch Dogs and likely Call of Duty. Want Madden but since I am getting it for PS3 can't see

Would also like to get 2K14 it looks like

Generally I don't pre-order either... but... I wonder how quick stock will disappear this year if the possible release date is less than a month before Christmas? Imagine pre-ordering a new system and then having no games for it.

[SCClassof93]

Based on this list I can see me buying the bold ones. :nod: and maybe 2k14

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[I OU a Beatn]

I need your kind of money OU lol



I'm not getting ALL of those at launch. :D

I'll definitely get the 2 I listed and then I'll wait for sales on the other ones or just rent them. Battlefield and Assassin's Creed always get discounted fairly early after release, so that's what I'll do with those 2. Might not get Madden, I'll have to see how next gen is improved, same with NBA. Call of Duty will have to see a sale before I even think about buying it and I wont get Knack for anything over $20.

[JBHuskers]

Out of curiosity what games, if any have people already pre-order? Right now I am looking at KNACK and FIFA 14.

Preordered Battlefield 4 and Watch_Dogs.

[skipwondah33]

Generally I don't pre-order either... but... I wonder how quick stock will disappear this year if the possible release date is less than a month before Christmas? Imagine pre-ordering a new system and then having no games for it.I was thinking that as well but I plan to still have my PS3 since I just got it last September after my 1st one finally failed.

Since Madden for PS3 will have me preoccupied I didn't want to really go back and forth to playing PS3 then PS4 much atleast until the following year when I'll fully make the jump to only PS4.

Reason I'm getting it at launch is to have it when it comes out. Although I am really looking forward to playing Watch Dogs.

[jaymo76]

I was thinking that as well but I plan to still have my PS3 since I just got it last September after my 1st one finally failed.

Since Madden for PS3 will have me preoccupied I didn't want to really go back and forth to playing PS3 then PS4 much atleast until the following year when I'll fully make the jump to only PS4.

Reason I'm getting it at launch is to have it when it comes out. Although I am really looking forward to playing Watch Dogs.

Yeah, Watchdogs isn't really my type of game...BUT... I have to admit that it looks pretty stellar. I may also pick that up if the reviews are good, as I suspect they will be.

[steelerfan]

fifa 14 PS4 tourney... what do you say Mr. Commissioner???

I'm still hoping to see Connected Careers in FIFA. Obviously it's a taller task in football with so many clubs, leagues, and competitions, but hopefully we'll see it on next gen.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[Kingpin32]

Out of curiosity what games, if any have people already pre-order? Right now I am looking at KNACK and FIFA 14.

I got FIFA, BF4 and Watchdogs. I also have another controller reserved too.

[GatorfanStovy]

I'm waiting for a job to get games pre ordered. Well actually I just got a job so year but it doesn't pay that much so I will be waiting little longer.

[Escobar]

I'm pretty much just pre-ordering the PS4 so I can have one. I may buy Call of Duty on it and check out NBA Live and FIFA, but considering most of my gaming during football season is strictly NCAA the PS4 won't see much time until March. Well maybe Drive Club since it will be free, but maybe not if they only release Gran Turismo 6 on the PS3.

CLW if you're interested the PS4 pre-orders at BB are pretty much outnumbering the XBOX1 3:1. That number will only get larger since they just cut off the XBOX pre-orders due to lack of supply. The PS4 pre-orders are still good to go. Microsoft really shit a brick this generation.

[CLW]

DualShock 4 Light Bar is Always-On
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/08/dualshock-4-light-bar-is-always-on

[SCClassof93]

DualShock 4 Light Bar is Always-On
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/08/dualshock-4-light-bar-is-always-on

Crying over a rechargeable controller battery??? I have two of those usb cables on each ps3 charging backups at all times :D. Now if I see a big glare on my screen all bets are off:smh:

[I OU a Beatn]

I really don't see how it would glare off your TV anyway. If that's a problem, just hold the controller at a different angle.

Not a fan of the rechargeable battery being built in again, though. It would be one thing if Sony would fix them when the thing died, but the same 1 year warranty that applies to the console apparently applies to the controller's battery. I only had to replace one for that reason, but it's still a potential annoyance I'd rather avoid.

[AustinWolv]

Crying over a rechargeable controller battery??? I have two of those usb cables on each ps3 charging backups at all times :D. Now if I see a big glare on my screen all bets are off:smh:

Wait, PS4 controller has battery built in and not replaceable by the customer?????
If true:
Rechargeable batteries wear out. Having them built into the controller sucks, plain and simple. Considering I design notebook computers and am on a laptop literally all day, every day, I see battery packs wear out and not hold charges frequently, not to mention wireless devices I have outside of work...........

[SCClassof93]

I have never had the rechargeable battery wear out on a controller. I just traded in my dead launch ps3 (just died) with the still working controller. If they do die after a year I would just get another one. Just not a big deal to me I guess.

[skipwondah33]

I really don't see how it would glare off your TV anyway. If that's a problem, just hold the controller at a different angle.

Not a fan of the rechargeable battery being built in again, though. It would be one thing if Sony would fix them when the thing died, but the same 1 year warranty that applies to the console apparently applies to the controller's battery. I only had to replace one for that reason, but it's still a potential annoyance I'd rather avoid.They can't be replaced in the controller?

I've been taking my controllers apart since the PS2 days to really clean them.

Took the battery out of one of my PS3 controllers so my son could act like he was playing when he was younger without turning the PS3 on everytime he picked up the controller.

Seems like it's fairly easy to buy battery inside them I would think as far as replacing it goes.

[AustinWolv]

I have never had the rechargeable battery wear out on a controller. I just traded in my dead launch ps3 (just died) with the still working controller. If they do die after a year I would just get another one. Just not a big deal to me I guess.

Bullshit, why would I want to be spending $50-65 a year or even every 2 years to replace an otherwise perfectly good controller?

I have had rechargeable batteries wear out in all types of products, from remotes, cellphones, individual AA cells, outdoor lawn equipment, controller packs, etc.

It is fucking annoying.


They can't be replaced in the controller?

I've been taking my controllers apart since the PS2 days to really clean them.

Took the battery out of one of my PS3 controllers so my son could act like he was playing when he was younger without turning the PS3 on everytime he picked up the controller.

Seems like it's fairly easy to buy battery inside them I would think as far as replacing it goes.

I'm sure they can be taken apart. Depends on how they wire up the battery.......will it be hard-wired such that soldering is required (easy enough for me to do but annoying) or be connected via cable connector? I have all types of security bits to get past the "security screws" that various products use, but not everyone does. Lastly, just depends how they assemble the thing. Hell, what if they use bonding adhesive to put them together instead of screws? Entirely possible as a cost-saving measure and if they are thinking of them as "commodity" items that get thrown away versus kept for the life of the console.........

[gschwendt]

I never had an issue with batteries in my PS3 controllers... I'm not worried about it in the PS4 at this point.

[I OU a Beatn]

They can't be replaced in the controller?

I've been taking my controllers apart since the PS2 days to really clean them.

Took the battery out of one of my PS3 controllers so my son could act like he was playing when he was younger without turning the PS3 on everytime he picked up the controller.

Seems like it's fairly easy to buy battery inside them I would think as far as replacing it goes.

Assuming they have the same design as when I took mine apart, I'll never do it again.

It's not like I'm going to have much of a choice. There's little doubt in my mind that both Sony and Microsoft are going the same route this time around.

[skipwondah33]

I'm sure they can be taken apart. Depends on how they wire up the battery.......will it be hard-wired such that soldering is required (easy enough for me to do but annoying) or be connected via cable connector? I have all types of security bits to get past the "security screws" that various products use, but not everyone does. Lastly, just depends how they assemble the thing. Hell, what if they use bonding adhesive to put them together instead of screws? Entirely possible as a cost-saving measure and if they are thinking of them as "commodity" items that get thrown away versus kept for the life of the console.........Nope aren't hardwired. Just appears to be your typical rechargeable battery that would go into a cordless phone...only smaller. Uses the same type of connector, smaller connector can't think of the end it is...2 or 4 pin believe.

Doesn't have any proprietary screws either.

Most difficult part is aligning the trigger buttons and sensor pads up when putting it together. I always hated that part but that's the only pain. Still only takes all of 5-10 minutes to complete. I say that long because I clean mine while apart.

[I OU a Beatn]

Most difficult part is aligning the trigger buttons and sensor pads up when putting it together. I always hated that part but that's the only pain. Still only takes all of 5-10 minutes to complete. I say that long because I clean mine while apart.

:nod:

I dealt with the trigger buttons and springs once. Wont ever happen again. This is coming from someone who took apart numerous PS2 controllers.

[skipwondah33]

:nod:

I dealt with the trigger buttons and springs once. Wont ever happen again. This is coming from someone who took apart numerous PS2 controllers.Yeah I always hated that part, has to be perfect or the damn thing will never go back together right. I did it regularly as I always would clean my controller and take it to Madden tourneys. I wouldn't have a problem doing that every year or so though.

Funny thing is after I took the battery out and put the controller back together for my son I just hurried up and put it together. Now it's missing two of the trigger buttons. They just fell out lol

Wish I would have kept the battery to know which one it was. According to NewEgg it's just a $5 battery

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0PG08C8282&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-_-pla-_-PS3+Accessories-_-9SIA0PG08C8282


I actually need a new controller now for my PS3. When I hold down R2 for speed burst in Madden and NCAA, my damn guy will eventually pitch the ball back if a teammate is near or behind.

[SCClassof93]

Bullshit, why would I want to be spending $50-65 a year or even every 2 years to replace an otherwise perfectly good controller?

I have had rechargeable batteries wear out in all types of products, from remotes, cellphones, individual AA cells, outdoor lawn equipment, controller packs, etc.

It is fucking annoying.



I'm sure they can be taken apart. Depends on how they wire up the battery.......will it be hard-wired such that soldering is required (easy enough for me to do but annoying) or be connected via cable connector? I have all types of security bits to get past the "security screws" that various products use, but not everyone does. Lastly, just depends how they assemble the thing. Hell, what if they use bonding adhesive to put them together instead of screws? Entirely possible as a cost-saving measure and if they are thinking of them as "commodity" items that get thrown away versus kept for the life of the console.........

Confused as to what I said was BS??? Never said I have never had a rechargeable battery product die, just not in any of my controllers. Far as a $50 controller battery going out, never said I would want that either, just I would not sweat it:dunno:. Not sure what you think I am BSing about:confused:

[AustinWolv]

Nope aren't hardwired. Just appears to be your typical rechargeable battery that would go into a cordless phone...only smaller. Uses the same type of connector, smaller connector can't think of the end it is...2 or 4 pin believe.
Doesn't have any proprietary screws either.
Most difficult part is aligning the trigger buttons and sensor pads up when putting it together. I always hated that part but that's the only pain. Still only takes all of 5-10 minutes to complete. I say that long because I clean mine while apart.

I'm talking about how the PS4 controller will be built, not PS3. :)
For cost-savings assembly, there are several things they could do. *Assuming* that they are treating them as "disposable". If they are treating them as a serviceable item, then they would likely be built similar to what they've done before.


Confused as to what I said was BS??? Never said I have never had a rechargeable battery product die, just not in any of my controllers. Far as a $50 controller battery going out, never said I would want that either, just I would not sweat it. Not sure what you think I am BSing about
Sorry man, don't take it as directed as you. It was an exclamation that *I wouldn't* want to be buying a new controller after a year or so just because the battery went out. Nothing you said was BS since that is your viewpoint on getting a new controller, but rather I think that the idea of having to get a new controller instead of being able to change out the battery or service it is BS.

[SCClassof93]

I'm talking about how the PS4 controller will be built, not PS3. :)
For cost-savings assembly, there are several things they could do. *Assuming* that they are treating them as "disposable". If they are treating them as a serviceable item, then they would likely be built similar to what they've done before.


Sorry man, don't take it as directed as you. It was an exclamation that *I wouldn't* want to be buying a new controller after a year or so just because the battery went out. Nothing you said was BS since that is your viewpoint on getting a new controller, but rather I think that the idea of having to get a new controller instead of being able to change out the battery or service it is BS.

No worries :up:. For the record I would not jump up, grab some pink socks, and shout "spring is here" if I had a controller battery die :D

[skipwondah33]

I'm talking about how the PS4 controller will be built, not PS3. :)
For cost-savings assembly, there are several things they could do. *Assuming* that they are treating them as "disposable". If they are treating them as a serviceable item, then they would likely be built similar to what they've done before.Ah ok

I've heard that the PS4 battery will be "built in", but that is the same I heard for PS3's battery.

Hard to tell I imagine it will be the same but who knows.

[JBHuskers]

I never had an issue with batteries in my PS3 controllers... I'm not worried about it in the PS4 at this point.

Ditto.

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[Kingpin32]

No worries :up:. For the record I would not jump up, grab some pink socks, and shout "spring is here" if I had a controller battery die :D

Sooooo no one else does that?? *Walks away slowly*

[skipwondah33]

Ditto.

I haven't either

Watch we all have problems with our batteries going out this time next year lol

[JBHuskers]

I haven't either

Watch we all have problems with our batteries going out this time next year lol

I have a 3rd DS3 in case :D

[jaymo76]

Never had controller battery issues either. However, the PS3 left joystick is notorious for breaking (inside).

[steelerfan]

I know someone posted here a while back (I think it was Gus - the stay-at-home plumber from College Station - can't remember his username) that they replaced batteries in their PS3 controller and it was cheap and easy.

Regardless, the good news is this: you can buy a PS4 and 3 controllers for just $20 more than an XB1 and 1 controller. :)

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[SCClassof93]

Sooooo no one else does that?? *Walks away slowly*

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/rachelindeed/17140785/59641/original.gif

[CLW]

1st Zimmerman acquitted and now this:
GameStop Sells Out of PlayStation 4 Pre-Orders
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/09/gamestop-sells-out-of-playstation-4-pre-orders


The riots are guaranteed now.

[souljahbill]

1st Zimmerman acquitted and now this:
GameStop Sells Out of PlayStation 4 Pre-Orders
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/09/gamestop-sells-out-of-playstation-4-pre-orders


The riots are guaranteed now.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks Zimmerman is going to get off. Prosecution did a pretty bad job

[CLW]

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks Zimmerman is going to get off. Prosecution did a pretty bad job

It's the worst case I've ever seen go to trial. It's Duke Lax on steroids. It's all politics. Honestly, when acquitted Zimmerman should consider suing the Prosecutor and Governor (who appointed the prosecutor) for a whole hose of things. It might be a questionable case but Zimmerman would probably make some decent coin in a settlement.

[JBHuskers]

Is there going to be a PS4 game about the story? :dunno:

[skipwondah33]

Is there going to be a PS4 game about the story? :dunno:Probably but we will completely ignore the instructions given for the game

[JBHuskers]

Probably but we will completely ignore the instructions given for the game

Press Start For A Joke

[I OU a Beatn]

http://i.imgur.com/UuCexBB.png

Yeah, that thing is definitely getting taped over when I get mine.

[AustinWolv]

ROFL.

[JBHuskers]

I wonder if it is really going to be that bad. Doubt it.

[morsdraconis]

Who holds their controller up and at their tv?! Talk about a non-issue. :dunno:

[skipwondah33]

Who holds their controller up and at their tv?! Talk about a non-issue. :dunno:Haha you know I was thinking the same thing

I actually mimic'd holding my controller here at work for 5 minutes like damn do I hold my controller up like that? lol

The answer is no I do not hold my controller at that angle. It's moreso pointed down towards the ground.

[AustinWolv]

I wonder if it is really going to be that bad. Doubt it.

But isn't it fun to nitpick it like the Sony fanboys do to XB1?

:D

[gschwendt]

Here's the actual video where that comes from... aside from the annoying light, it does look like a pretty awesome tech demo.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvpCdtjTrAo

[I OU a Beatn]

I wonder if it is really going to be that bad. Doubt it.

If you're holding it at the right angle, I'm sure it is. I don't see why it would be any different from the picture.


Who holds their controller up and at their tv?! Talk about a non-issue. :dunno:

I doubt anyone, but if your TV is low enough off the ground, you wouldn't have to. With my setup, it would definitely reflect off, hence why I'm going to have to tape over it.

[JBHuskers]

Won't be a problem for me....the direct line from where I'd hold the controller would be a good foot below the TV anyways.

[CLW]

Won't be a problem for me....the direct line from where I'd hold the controller would be a good foot below the TV anyways.

Yep non-issue for me. I'm sure the wife won't let the PS4 touch the 60" set so it will be on my 27" monitor/desk which is a good foot above controller level (lap level sitting in an office chair)

[jaymo76]

Yep non-issue for me. I'm sure the wife won't let the PS4 touch the 60" set so it will be on my 27" monitor/desk which is a good foot above controller level (lap level sitting in an office chair)

:D:fp: Remind your wife that North American Men have a God given right to play video games on big TV's.

[JBHuskers]

Yep non-issue for me. I'm sure the wife won't let the PS4 touch the 60" set so it will be on my 27" monitor/desk which is a good foot above controller level (lap level sitting in an office chair)


:D:fp: Remind your wife that North American Men have a God given right to play video games on big TV's.

http://img.over-blog.com/600x536/2/87/79/27/bibi-over-here-fdp/kitchen_escape.jpg

[CLW]

:D:fp: Remind your wife that North American Men have a God given right to play video games on big TV's.

Yeah try that crap when you wife/m.d. is the primary bread winner with her income extremely likely to double or even triple in 2 years. i did well just to get the 60" screen for sports viewing. :nod:

[SCClassof93]

Yeah try that crap when you wife/m.d. is the primary bread winner with her income extremely likely to double or even triple in 2 years. i did well just to get the 60" screen for sports viewing. :nod:

In that case inform her that whatever she thinks is best between playing on the 60 or getting an inexpensive new 73-82' for games :up:

[AustinWolv]

In that case inform her that whatever she thinks is best between playing on the 60 or getting an inexpensive new 73-82' for games :up:

Message approved!

[SCClassof93]

Message approved!

For real!!! I can see CLW groveling now......"honey you make soooooo much $$$ and I know you don't want to see my games that remind you of the nerd you married so can I please have a new 80', they are less than 4k at Costco"..............:D

[CLW]

For real!!! I can see CLW groveling now......"honey you make soooooo much $$$ and I know you don't want to see my games that remind you of the nerd you married so can I please have a new 80', they are less than 4k at Costco"..............:D

Yeah it ain't going to fly. The ONLY way I'll get our 2nd HD t.v. is if one of our two OLD (pre 2K) standard def sets goes out. She tried to get away with the no hd t.v. with the 27" monitor which I use for gaming. But eventually she caved when we needed a 3rd set for our apartment so I got it as a Christmas gift.

Now in fairness to her its a two way street as unlike most women that I have met she loathes shopping for anything.

[SCClassof93]

Yeah it ain't going to fly. The ONLY way I'll get our 2nd HD t.v. is if one of our two OLD (pre 2K) standard def sets goes out. She tried to get away with the no hd t.v. with the 27" monitor which I use for gaming. But eventually she caved when we needed a 3rd set for our apartment so I got it as a Christmas gift.

Now in fairness to her its a two way street as unlike most women that I have met she loathes shopping for anything.

Thought I got the only one :D

[AustinWolv]

if one of our two OLD (pre 2K) standard def sets goes out.

Very easy to make that happen. ;)

[JBHuskers]

Yeah it ain't going to fly. The ONLY way I'll get our 2nd HD t.v. is if one of our two OLD (pre 2K) standard def sets goes out. She tried to get away with the no hd t.v. with the 27" monitor which I use for gaming. But eventually she caved when we needed a 3rd set for our apartment so I got it as a Christmas gift.

Now in fairness to her its a two way street as unlike most women that I have met she loathes shopping for anything.

Ooops!

http://www.asrentall.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sledge-hammer.jpg

[CLW]

Ooops!

http://www.asrentall.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sledge-hammer.jpg

I PRAYED they would bite the dust when I personally packed them in our POD when we moved from RI to TX. Allas the t.v.s were in the EXACT spot that I layed them. Stupid reliable PODs. :smh:

[AustinWolv]

You know this is really easy without creating a big, obvious mess.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQYPdLGfXgbmTE6kAYhbcJOWa0Qnn8Eh YcCBmQeU-Eim7tkN6KiHQ

[JBHuskers]

But it's not half empty.

[Kingpin32]

Just get some crazy ants and let them run wild in your TV.

[CLW]

PS4 Will Allow You To Play Your Games From Multiple Consoles“You can log into your account and play any game from your digital library.”
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/10/ps4-will-allow-you-to-play-your-games-from-multiple-consoles

[AustinWolv]

Since I haven't played games at a friend's house since.....about.......2001........{shrug}

Otherwise, that is pretty cool. But *gasp*, doesn't that mean you need a consistent and reliable 'net connection?!!!! ;)

[CLW]

Since I haven't played games at a friend's house since.....about.......2001........{shrug}

Otherwise, that is pretty cool. But *gasp*, doesn't that mean you need a consistent and reliable 'net connection?!!!! ;)

It's all about FREEDOM OF CHOICE. OPTIONAL consumer can decide if its best for them. You don't want it/can't use it fine you can still play games the old fashion way.

[I OU a Beatn]

Again, as I said with the same feature for the One, it's awesome, but I just don't see the point when you're going to have to download at least half the huge file before doing so. If it's a 20GB file, you're still going to have to download 10GB+ of it before you're able to start playing it. It's a cool feature, but I'll never use it.

Now if the One or PS4 want to implement what the Xbox One WAS going to do and allow sharing of games, I'm all in for that.

[CLW]

Again, as I said with the same feature for the One, it's awesome, but I just don't see the point when you're going to have to download at least half the huge file before doing so. If it's a 20GB file, you're still going to have to download 10GB+ of it before you're able to start playing it. It's a cool feature, but I'll never use it.

Now if the One or PS4 want to implement what the Xbox One WAS going to do and allow sharing of games, I'm all in for that.

Well you can share games (assuming only one log in at a time). Just share your user name/password with the buddy and boom shared games.

[AustinWolv]

It's all about FREEDOM OF CHOICE. OPTIONAL consumer can decide if its best for them. You don't want it/can't use it fine you can still play games the old fashion way.

Just find it funny that some will trumpet this, despite smirking at One for it.

[morsdraconis]

Just find it funny that some will trumpet this, despite smirking at One for it.

Smirking at XBONE for what? Limiting what you can do and then, because of preorder pressure and OVERWHELMING dislike by the internet, completely backpedaling on what they are going to do with their console?

I didn't give two shits about always being online. I'm always online anyway. I also didn't give two shits about the no used games things. I don't by used games. I cared about the extra $100 for a piece of shit that I don't want at all and NEVER will. Thus, Microsoft can go take their shitty console and jump off a bridge.

[I OU a Beatn]

Well you can share games (assuming only one log in at a time). Just share your user name/password with the buddy and boom shared games.

Eh, not the same. Even at that, Sony is already cracking down on that. You used to be able to share your account with 5 systems. Now it's down to 2. Hell, with the PS4, it might be just 1, we don't know that yet.

[AustinWolv]

Smirking at XBONE for what? Limiting what you can do and then, because of preorder pressure and OVERWHELMING dislike by the internet, completely backpedaling on what they are going to do with their console?

I didn't give two shits about always being online. I'm always online anyway. I also didn't give two shits about the no used games things. I don't by used games. I cared about the extra $100 for a piece of shit that I don't want at all and NEVER will. Thus, Microsoft can go take their shitty console and jump off a bridge.

ROFL. Angry much?

[morsdraconis]

ROFL. Angry much?

At a company forcing me to buy a piece of hardware I don't want at all just to play their damn console? Yes. Yes I am.

[I OU a Beatn]

No one's forcing you to buy anything. If you're not happy with the inclusion of Kinect, simply don't buy it. :D

[AustinWolv]

No one's forcing you to buy anything. If you're not happy with the inclusion of Kinect, simply don't buy it. :D

:up:

[morsdraconis]

No one's forcing you to buy anything. If you're not happy with the inclusion of Kinect, simply don't buy it. :D

And I'm not going to. But that doesn't stop me from lambasting them for their idiocy and being mad at a shitty company for making such a dumbass product decision.

[I OU a Beatn]

You and I have very different opinions on what a dumb decision is. Bundling Kinect with every One console to enable developers to better support it is not what I would call a dumb decision. I wont use it, but I'm not about to fault a company for trying to support their devices.

Sony is doing the exact opposite with their camera thing. It's not bundled, therefore it isn't going to sell, and as a result of that, no one is going to develop anything for it. They're manufacturing all those things, and it's just going to sit on store shelves like the Move did. I don't see why you'd be all over Microsoft for trying to avoid that. It seems like a smart business move to me.

[Kingpin32]

Part of me actually wants to be one of the 10 people that buys the Playstation camera, I think if I had more friends come over and game then it would perhaps have been a worthy investment solely for the fact that it can see who is holding what controller.

[I OU a Beatn]

LOL (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PS4PreOrder-Launch-Day-Edition-Pre-Sale-Guaranteed-Free-Shipping-/121140392915?pt=Video_Games&hash=item1c3487b3d3)

[CLW]

You and I have very different opinions on what a dumb decision is. Bundling Kinect with every One console to enable developers to better support it is not what I would call a dumb decision. I wont use it, but I'm not about to fault a company for trying to support their devices.

Sony is doing the exact opposite with their camera thing. It's not bundled, therefore it isn't going to sell, and as a result of that, no one is going to develop anything for it. They're manufacturing all those things, and it's just going to sit on store shelves like the Move did. I don't see why you'd be all over Microsoft for trying to avoid that. It seems like a smart business move to me.

The question is: is charging an additional $100 over your competitor but including Kinect going to increase your profit?

The answer thus far appears to be a RESOUNDING HELL NO! Just sayin'

[I OU a Beatn]

The answer thus far appears to be a RESOUNDING HELL NO! Just sayin'

Based on what? The console selling out everywhere? Yeah, I bet Microsoft just hates that. :D

[CLW]

Based on what? The console selling out everywhere? Yeah, I bet Microsoft just hates that. :D

Based on the PR backlash re: Kinect and their #1 competitor outselling them in pre-orders.

[I OU a Beatn]

Based on the PR backlash re: Kinect and their #1 competitor outselling them in pre-orders.

Their competitor is outselling them solely because they've allowed way more orders. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Xbox One. They can only sell as many as they are able to make, and so far, they've completely sold out. I don't see how they could do any better, honestly. I guess they could start selling imaginary consoles, but I don't think consumers would like that too much. I mean seriously, if you're selling out of all your available stock, how exactly can you do any better?

[CLW]

Their competitor is outselling them solely because they've allowed way more orders. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Xbox One. They can only sell as many as they are able to make, and so far, they've completely sold out. I don't see how they could do any better, honestly. I guess they could start selling imaginary consoles, but I don't think consumers would like that too much. I mean seriously, if you're selling out of all your available stock, how exactly can you do any better?

Well your presumption is false if you think demand for XB1 is infinite. It undoubtedly went WAY down after E3. If not, why do the XB180?

[I OU a Beatn]

Well your presumption is false if you think demand for XB1 is infinite. It undoubtedly went WAY down after E3. If not, why do the XB180?

No one said the demand is infinite. Nothing has infinite demand except for food, shelter, and you know, stuff you can't live without. :D

I'm saying right now that they can't meet the demand. If all this doom and gloom that everyone is preaching about the One were even half true, you'd still be able to order a One anywhere. The fact of the matter is that demand has already exceeded production, which definitely is not a sign of a console that no one wants.

[CLW]

No one said the demand is infinite. Nothing has infinite demand except for food, shelter, and you know, stuff you can't live without. :D

I'm saying right now that they can't meet the demand. If all this doom and gloom that everyone is preaching about the One were even half true, you'd still be able to order a One anywhere. The fact of the matter is that demand has already exceeded production, which definitely is not a sign of a console that no one wants.

Unless MS is intentionally keeping production down to match the lower demand and claim "we just cannot keep up". Big business has been known to do such things. In the political world its called "spin".

[I OU a Beatn]

Unless MS is intentionally keeping production down to match the lower demand and claim "we just cannot keep up". Big business has been known to do such things. In the political world its called "spin".

I don't know, but I'd say it's more than likely actually behind production because I believe they haven't nailed down the final specs yet. I could be wrong, but if you look at all the evidence and the rumors, everything seems to fit.

Like I said, all the places I know about had about 3 times as many PS systems as they did Xbox Ones available, so something is definitely up. Microsoft isn't going to willingly allow themselves to be outsold at a 3:1 pace to start just to inflate demand. Either something is wrong in production, they started late, or they haven't nailed down the final specs yet.

[skipwondah33]

You and I have very different opinions on what a dumb decision is. Bundling Kinect with every One console to enable developers to better support it is not what I would call a dumb decision. I wont use it, but I'm not about to fault a company for trying to support their devices.

Sony is doing the exact opposite with their camera thing. It's not bundled, therefore it isn't going to sell, and as a result of that, no one is going to develop anything for it. They're manufacturing all those things, and it's just going to sit on store shelves like the Move did. I don't see why you'd be all over Microsoft for trying to avoid that. It seems like a smart business move to me.Just sucks because those who want to buy a One console may not want to the Kinect, use the Kinect or damn well pay "extra" for it.

Giving consumers the option would be better. Then if they decided they want one, then they can buy it.

Just rubs us consumers the wrong way when forced to get something, we never intend to use or want...then on top of that are going to be charged extra for it.

Certainly not the first time Microsoft has done such a thing or will stop anytime soon.

[I OU a Beatn]

But you're not actually being forced into anything. If you don't want the Kinect, don't buy the Xbox. Every consumer has the ability to make the choice for themselves. Do I want the Kinect? Is it worth the extra $100? That decision rests upon the individual consumer, but Microsoft is in no way forcing someone to buy the Xbox. Now if they required the thing to work and DIDN'T bundle it, then I could see the point, but as it is now, I don't see anything wrong with what Microsoft is doing. It's required for the Xbox to work so every Xbox will ship with one. It's pretty logical to me.

[AustinWolv]

Just rubs us consumers the wrong way when forced to get something, we never intend to use or want...then on top of that are going to be charged extra for it.
Back in the day, I never wanted a camera on my phone. Sure comes in handy now, especially with Dropbox app loaded on that auto-syncs new files to my Dropbox account.

But back then, I was saying the same thing as you about having a camera on my phone.

[Kingpin32]

Back in the day, I never wanted a camera on my phone. Sure comes in handy now, especially with Dropbox app loaded on that auto-syncs new files to my Dropbox account.

But back then, I was saying the same thing as you about having a camera on my phone.

Change is inevitable.

But I really think a good chunk of people actually used the Kinect which is why MS put so much time behind it for the next gen. To just write it off and say no one wants it is a bit premature.

[AustinWolv]

To just write it off and say no one wants it is a bit premature.
Exactly.

My wife isn't a gamer, but she spent some time messing with games on Kinect. My kids would too I bet as they get a bit older.

[skipwondah33]

But you're not actually being forced into anything. If you don't want the Kinect, don't buy the Xbox. Every consumer has the ability to make the choice for themselves. Do I want the Kinect? Is it worth the extra $100? That decision rests upon the individual consumer, but Microsoft is in no way forcing someone to buy the Xbox. Now if they required the thing to work and DIDN'T bundle it, then I could see the point, but as it is now, I don't see anything wrong with what Microsoft is doing. It's required for the Xbox to work so every Xbox will ship with one. It's pretty logical to me.That's the thing I'd actually consider purchasing one if I wasn't being charged extra for something I didn't want or need.

Sure I don't have to buy it, but there went any interest I had in buying it. I love eventually owning dual systems. I've owned them all ever since I got into gaming with my Atari.

So by bundling the Kinect and as it appears charging more due to that. I feel since I did want to own a One console that I personally would be "forced" into getting something I don't want. Forced may not be the correct word. But what else do you call it when there is no other alternative to purchase a One console without the bundle?

And I can safely say that I would NEVER use the Kinect

If someone was already going to buy a One then it's "oh well fine with me"

But if your on the fence or were thinking about it..."what? it's more because of the Kinect?"...I'll just get a PS3 then for cheaper.

[I OU a Beatn]

And I can safely say that I would NEVER use the Kinect

I will, I hate entering those damn 25 digit codes. :D

I understand what you're saying, but if the thing is required for the console to work, I want it bundled. If it's not required, then I don't care. In the case of Kinect, since it's required, I'm glad it's there.

In fact, I'll give you the perfect example of a device the doesn't bundle something that you'll absolutely need - the PS Vita. Not only do you need a memory card to play games, and not only is it not bundled, and not only is it NOT written ANYWHERE that you need it, but then you realize the things are so damn expensive that it's almost not worth even owning a Vita. That's the kind of practice I don't like. If you need it, it should be in the box, IMO.

[skipwondah33]

I will, I hate entering those damn 25 digit codes. :D

I understand what you're saying, but if the thing is required for the console to work, I want it bundled. If it's not required, then I don't care. In the case of Kinect, since it's required, I'm glad it's there.

In fact, I'll give you the perfect example of a device the doesn't bundle something that you'll absolutely need - the PS Vita. Not only do you need a memory card to play games, and not only is it not bundled, and not only is it NOT written ANYWHERE that you need it, but then you realize the things are so damn expensive that it's almost not worth even owning a Vita. That's the kind of practice I don't like. If you need it, it should be in the box, IMO.Printer manufacturers didn't include USB cords with their printers for the longest :D. Neither did Digital Camera companies with the memory cards for a while, they still don't unless they are selling one specifically as a bundle.

I didn't know the Kinect was required. So that AND you have to sign online atleast once a day?

[I OU a Beatn]

Printer manufacturers didn't include USB cords with their printers for the longest :D. Neither did Digital Camera companies with the memory cards for a while, they still don't unless they are selling one specifically as a bundle.

I didn't know the Kinect was required. So that AND you have to sign online atleast once a day?

Well something as simple as a standard USB cable is one thing, proprietary shit is another (vita memory cards, Kinect, etc..)

Kinect is required to at least be connected, you don't have to actually use it. The 24 hour online check was abolished - you only need to be connected for the very initial setup of the system and then never again.

[SCClassof93]

And I'm not going to. But that doesn't stop me from lambasting them for their idiocy and being mad at a shitty company for making such a dumbass product decision.

+1 :up:

[JBHuskers]

I have no desire for motion gaming. That's why my Move and Kinect are collecting dust.

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[morsdraconis]

You and I have very different opinions on what a dumb decision is. Bundling Kinect with every One console to enable developers to better support it is not what I would call a dumb decision. I wont use it, but I'm not about to fault a company for trying to support their devices.

Sony is doing the exact opposite with their camera thing. It's not bundled, therefore it isn't going to sell, and as a result of that, no one is going to develop anything for it. They're manufacturing all those things, and it's just going to sit on store shelves like the Move did. I don't see why you'd be all over Microsoft for trying to avoid that. It seems like a smart business move to me.

It's not a smart business move because the price point (because of the addition of the Kinect) and the fact that it must be on to operate the machine are going to drive away business. $500 for a console in this economic environment is insanity just like $600 for the PS3 10 years ago was insanity. $400 is barely acceptable.

Doing something that's likely to lower the chances of something being bought is not good business sense and in this economic environment, price means everything.

[I OU a Beatn]

$400 and $500 for what you're getting within these consoles is nothing. It's a genuine good deal for both of them. $600 for a PS3 was asinine, for sure, as are the prices for Vita memory cards.

As for the Kinect, I personally don't have a problem with it. I'll use it for redeeming codes, navigating the dashboard when I'm not around my controller, voice controls, using Skype, and other things like that. I never played games with it, and I probably never will, but that's just because it doesn't interest me. With as well as those dumb ass dance games sell, it's clear that you and I aren't the only ones this system is being marketed to.

[SCClassof93]

$400 and $500 for what you're getting within these consoles is nothing (for some). It's a genuine good deal for both of them (for some). $600 for a PS3 was asinine (to some or most), for sure, as are the prices for Vita memory cards (to some).

As for the Kinect, I personally (good for you) don't have a problem with it. I'll use it for redeeming codes, navigating the dashboard when I'm not around my controller, voice controls, using Skype, and other things like that ($100 well spent? for some maybe). I never played games with it, and I probably never will, but that's just because it doesn't interest me. With as well as those dumb ass dance games sell, it's clear that you and I aren't the only ones this system is being marketed to.

Fixed and in 100% agreement with Mors.

[I OU a Beatn]

Fixed and in 100% agreement with Mors.

I think the parts that you bolded are pretty well common sense. No device is going to be marketable to everyone. There's always going to be those consumers that a particular device doesn't appeal to. To you and others, $500 for the Xbox One isn't a good investment. To me and others, it is. I don't know why that concept is so foreign to a few of you on here, but I would think it would be common sense that not everything appeals to everyone. Do you guys sit and bitch about Sony TVs because you own LG? Just like the Wii U. It doesn't appeal to me at all, and I do think it's overpriced, but you don't see me bitching and complaining about it.

Also, :D:D:D @ the prices for the Vita being asinine for "some." Not even close. A quick Amazon search for a standard 32GB SD Card reveals Amazon selling one at $18.74. Meanwhile, the same exact thing for the Vita retails for $100 and is currently over $80. I don't care if you're a millionaire, that is 100% asinine. It's not even debatable.

[morsdraconis]

I don't give a shit about what you think IOU. You're the type of idiot that buys both anyway no matter what so clearly this is pointless to talk about with you.

Also investments don't mean shit when talking about a video game console. I'm not getting money back from these fuckin' things. Buying a console isn't an investment it's a luxury item. For the average gamer, $400 and $500 is a lot of money for a console. In fact, I decided this morning that I can't justify spending $400 on a console that I'll probably barely play because I will still have a PC that is more powerful than either of these consoles and any money that I would spend on them could simply be put toward stretching that gap that much more.

As for the WiiU, it's not even in the discussion because Nintendo has basically failed to market it AT ALL. I mean, did they even show a WiiU game at E3? I know I sure as hell don't know that answer because I didn't watch it and all the video game stuff I listen to had nothing to say about Nintendo at all.

As for bitching about TVs, why would I do that when, for the most part, TVs are priced equally compared to others that offer similar features? Brand names are slightly more expensive, but that's the price you pay for a brand name in other markets. In the video game market, there's no such thing as the "brand name tax" and when one console is higher priced than the other, the previous one loses 100% of the time (unless there are SIGNIFICANT differences in hardware between the two ala this generation and the next in reference to Nintendo's poor attempts at getting market shares). History is not on the XBONE's side at all with the higher price point.

[I OU a Beatn]

I don't give a shit about what you think IOU. You're the type of idiot that buys both anyway no matter what so clearly this is pointless to talk about with you.

Not a discussion with Mors without a personal attack. If I'm an idiot, then what is someone who continually bitches about something they never had any intention of buying in the first place? I'll let you come up with the adjective for that one.



Also investments don't mean shit when talking about a video game console. I'm not getting money back from these fuckin' things. Buying a console isn't an investment it's a luxury item. For the average gamer, $400 and $500 is a lot of money for a console. In fact, I decided this morning that I can't justify spending $400 on a console that I'll probably barely play because I will still have a PC that is more powerful than either of these consoles and any money that I would spend on them could simply be put toward stretching that gap that much more.


For someone who spends a lot of time on their console, no, $400 and $500 isn't anything. For someone like you who spends most of their time on a more powerful PC, then no, I can't see the value there for you. Again, they're not marketing this towards PC players. They're marketing this towards console players who are looking to upgrade to a next generation console, not a PC. Again, you're only focusing on yourself and not the entire market.



As for bitching about TVs, why would I do that when, for the most part, TVs are priced equally compared to others that offer similar features? Brand names are slightly more expensive, but that's the price you pay for a brand name in other markets. In the video game market, there's no such thing as the "brand name tax" and when one console is higher priced than the other, the previous one loses 100% of the time (unless there are SIGNIFICANT differences in hardware between the two ala this generation and the next in reference to Nintendo's poor attempts at getting market shares). History is not on the XBONE's side at all with the higher price point.

No argument there. However, the PS4 and the Xbox One don't have similar features. Never mind the fact the Xbox One has a $150 accessory included in the box, but they appeal to completely different markets. Sony is going after the person who likes a broad range of games while Microsoft is clearly going after the person who prefers the big budget online shooter, which by the way, is exactly how it was this generation. That's precisely why price doesn't matter and people are going to go after what they prefer. It's also precisely why the PS3 did just fine when it cost $200 over it's competitors.

Now, I'm done having these stupid fucking arguments with you. If/when you rediscover the common sense you've always had before your brain turned to mush, then by all means, I'll have no problem discussing this with you.