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I OU a Beatn
06-07-2013, 11:02 AM
I thought all of this was already known? Microsoft lets it up to the publisher and requires a connection once every 24 hours. Sony also lets it up to the publisher which will do their own online check when the game is started or require a constant internet connection while being played. I don't know why journalists are still writing articles about it.
I thought all of this was already known? Microsoft lets it up to the publisher and requires a connection once every 24 hours. Sony also lets it up to the publisher which will do their own online check when the game is started or require a constant internet connection while being played. I don't know why journalists are still writing articles about it.
I don't recall Sony saying that.
I DO recall Sony saying if a game is an online only game (like an MMO) obviously (due to the structure of the game) you would have to be online to play it.
But maybe I didn't see what you are referring to. I think at best Sony's "stance" is very unclear presently and I think they are doing it on purpose for one of two reasons (1) let MS take the heat while they do the same thing - your belief or (2) let MS take the heat and then come out and say that's not PS4 and run win it.
JBHuskers
06-07-2013, 11:14 AM
I thought all of this was already known? Microsoft lets it up to the publisher and requires a connection once every 24 hours. Sony also lets it up to the publisher which will do their own online check when the game is started or require a constant internet connection while being played. I don't know why journalists are still writing articles about it.
You are correct. Sony is leaving DRM up to the publishers.
You are correct. Sony is leaving DRM up to the publishers.
Well if that is the case when EA goes DRM they will CEMENT their place as "worst company in America" in perpetuity. No need to ever have a vote again. :nod:
I OU a Beatn
06-07-2013, 11:19 AM
I don't recall Sony saying that.
I DO recall Sony saying if a game is an online only game (like an MMO) obviously (due to the structure of the game) you would have to be online to play it.
But maybe I didn't see what you are referring to. I think at best Sony's "stance" is very unclear presently and I think they are doing it on purpose for one of two reasons (1) let MS take the heat while they do the same thing - your belief or (2) let MS take the heat and then come out and say that's not PS4 and run win it.
More relief... At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that.
Same exact setup as Microsoft, except the publisher will have to do their own online checks to make sure you own the game should they incorporate that type of system.
I OU a Beatn
06-07-2013, 11:28 AM
Well if that is the case when EA goes DRM they will CEMENT their place as "worst company in America" in perpetuity. No need to ever have a vote again. :nod:
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Absolutely. But, the bad thing is, it wont just be EA. Ubisoft will definitely do it. Activision will definitely do it. I'm 50/50 on Sony right now. I think they're doing a good job at staying hidden of these potential requirements and they probably want to keep the good press, meaning no requirement for first party games. However, they had an online pass in virtually all their first party games, so I'm unsure about them.
I really hope this doesn't catch on, especially on Sony's system. At least on Microsoft's, if a publisher chooses to do it, it's through Microsoft's system. Sony doesn't have such a system. If publishers decide to do it, you'd be potentially looking at 4 or 5+ systems. This generation is going to be a massive headache.
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Absolutely. But, the bad thing is, it wont just be EA. Ubisoft will definitely do it. Activision will definitely do it. I'm 50/50 on Sony right now. I think they're doing a good job at staying hidden of these potential requirements and they probably want to keep the good press, meaning no requirement for first party games. However, they had an online pass in virtually all their first party games, so I'm unsure about them.
I really hope this doesn't catch on, especially on Sony's system. At least on Microsoft's, if a publisher chooses to do it, it's through Microsoft's system. Sony doesn't have such a system. If publishers decide to do it, you'd be potentially looking at 4 or 5+ systems. This generation is going to be a massive headache.
Yeah I did some Google research and Kotaku's own staff wasn't even clear on it even after your article so Sony is clearly lying low on this issue allowing MS to take all the heat.
Smart strategy but sleazy. Hoping they changed their minds and decide to go for the kill but they probably won't. Its just odd/sad that the gaming industry wants to create a false market that virtually no one else has.
Cars, clothes, homes, etc.... can all be bought used and that fact isn't killing those industries.
I'll still buy PS4 b/c I buy all my games new. However, I'll buy fewer now b/c I won't be able to rent games and then buy them when I like them. I would have NEVER even bought UC had it not been for GameFly. Me renting the 1st UC led me to buy the others and now I'm buying TLOU at launch. I won't be able to learn about new titles I like now w/o potentially wasting $60. I'm notoriously tight with my money so I'll just pass now on a number of probably great games that I would have bought new after renting it for a brief period of time.
I OU a Beatn
06-07-2013, 12:28 PM
That's not even half the story. At least with Microsoft, we know. We know games aren't going to be required to be connected (unless they use features of the cloud, in which case, duh) but rather they check for licenses once every 24 hours. If a publisher wants to block used games, they have to do it Microsoft's way.
Sony doesn't have a way. There is absolutely NOTHING stopping someone like EA from requiring the use of their Origin service and potentially requiring the game to be connected at all times in order to be played. Ubisoft has UPlay and could do the same. Who's to say EA wouldn't put a limit on their service? Say, "each game can only be installed on 2 different consoles." You have a console, you later upgrade the hard drive, then it breaks. You're officially fucked.
I REALLY don't like where this generation is heading. Granted, publishers may never go to those extremes, but the potential is there.
steelerfan
06-07-2013, 11:52 PM
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Paying-Third-Party-Publishers-to-Not-Show-PS4-Games-at-E3-2013-Report-359264.shtml
I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Paying-Third-Party-Publishers-to-Not-Show-PS4-Games-at-E3-2013-Report-359264.shtml
I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.
That is hilarious. You'll waste money on that but you won't allow game rentals and force internet connections on gamers. The decisions they are making are not gamer friendly. I think this stuff may bite them in the ass more than anything. It won't prevent PS4 sales imo.
morsdraconis
06-08-2013, 05:43 AM
Wow. That is some underhanded bullshit. :smh:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Paying-Third-Party-Publishers-to-Not-Show-PS4-Games-at-E3-2013-Report-359264.shtml
I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.
That smacks of desperation and if true might make Sony want to "retaliate" by oh I dunno stay with the status quo on used games and just crush MS at E3 and end it.
I OU a Beatn
06-08-2013, 11:09 AM
That smacks of desperation and if true might make Sony want to "retaliate" by oh I dunno stay with the status quo on used games and just crush MS at E3 and end it.
They don't have the choice in the matter. If publishers want to not allow used games, Sony is quite literally powerless to stop it. Same with Microsoft. It's up to the publisher, as they both have stated, and if a company is blocking used games on Xbox, they're most certainly doing the same on PS4 whether Sony likes it or not.
It also does not mean anything.
A. Since when was some poster on Neogaf a source? :D Sure, I've seen some things leaked over there, but I've also seen 5 times as much stuff supposedly leaked turn out to be completely wrong.
B. They all do it. Why do you think Diablo 3 for consoles was presented at the PS4 reveal? Why do you think Watch Dogs and Assassin's Creed 4 have exclusive DLC on PS4? Why do you think Call of Duty content is available first on Xbox?
morsdraconis
06-08-2013, 05:45 PM
B. They all do it. Why do you think Diablo 3 for consoles was presented at the PS4 reveal? Why do you think Watch Dogs and Assassin's Creed 4 have exclusive DLC on PS4? Why do you think Call of Duty content is available first on Xbox?
There's a big fuckin' difference between having some bullshit exclusive "content" on one console and not allowing publishers to show things for a console during the biggest video game conference in the world.
It's underhanded bullshit. But, what do you expect from the company that built it's entire reputation from stolen ideas?
I OU a Beatn
06-08-2013, 05:59 PM
There's a big fuckin' difference between having some bullshit exclusive "content" on one console and not allowing publishers to show things for a console during the biggest video game conference in the world.
It's underhanded bullshit. But, what do you expect from the company that built it's entire reputation from stolen ideas?
Yeah, because Microsoft is holding a gun to publishers' heads and forcing them not to show their games at Sony's conference. Please. If the story is even true (they're using a poster from Neogaf as a source lol), the publisher is just as dirty for taking the money in the first place.
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SmoothPancakes
06-08-2013, 07:14 PM
It's underhanded bullshit. But, what do you expect from the company that built it's entire reputation from stolen ideas?
Apple's going to be at E3?
Yeah, because Microsoft is holding a gun to publishers' heads and forcing them not to show their games at Sony's conference. Please. If the story is even true (they're using a poster from Neogaf as a source lol), the publisher is just as dirty for taking the money in the first place.
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Yep. MS can offer all the shit they want, but it takes the publisher to accept it for there to be a deal. If I want to bribe someone, I can offer them everything and the goddamn moon, but it doesn't matter shit if no one accepts the bribe. In this case, yeah, lets blame Party A for offering the bribe, but lets not put any blame on any of the fucktards in Party B for accepting the bribe. The publishers that take MS up on the offer deserve equally just as much blame, if not maybe even more for actually accepting it.
SCClassof93
06-08-2013, 07:23 PM
Even if this is true I don't think it reaches the legal definition of bribery. CLW may smack me down as it has been a long time since I was "pre-law". Seems no public or legal obligation is being influenced. :dunno:
SCClassof93
06-08-2013, 07:28 PM
Apple's going to be at E3?
Yep. MS can offer all the shit they want, but it takes the publisher to accept it for there to be a deal. If I want to bribe someone, I can offer them everything and the goddamn moon, but it doesn't matter shit if no one accepts the bribe. In this case, yeah, lets blame Party A for offering the bribe, but lets not put any blame on any of the fucktards in Party B for accepting the bribe. The publishers that take MS up on the offer deserve equally just as much blame, if not maybe even more for actually accepting it.
Why would you not place more blame on the one trying to alter behavior as opposed to the one that is altered? Granted if true or in cases where the crime of bribery is committed your a douche for altering your behavior for the $ but you would have never had the chance without the party trying to alter you.
SmoothPancakes
06-08-2013, 07:32 PM
Even if this is true I don't think it reaches the legal definition of bribery. CLW may smack me down as it has been a long time since I was "pre-law". Seems no public or legal obligation is being influenced. :dunno:
Legally, I doubt it could be called bribery. But essentially it's what it is, just probably not legally. MS is trying to essentially bribe the publishers to not show their games on the PS4 at E3. The publishers can either accept that "bribe" or not. It's no different than me trying to bribe someone I know with something like cash or beer in return for something that I want. Legally, it probably wouldn't be called bribery, but on the basic level, it's essentially what it is.
Either way, as I OU stated, it ultimately comes down to the publishers accepting the money or not. If they do, they are at a minimum at least equally as guilty as MS in the whole deal, if not more because they actually accepted the money, whereas for MS, it very well could just be business as usual and something they do regularly in all areas that they operate.
I OU a Beatn
06-08-2013, 07:38 PM
Both Sony and Microsoft do it anyway. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
SCClassof93
06-08-2013, 08:09 PM
Legally, I doubt it could be called bribery. But essentially it's what it is, just probably not legally. MS is trying to essentially bribe the publishers to not show their games on the PS4 at E3. The publishers can either accept that "bribe" or not. It's no different than me trying to bribe someone I know with something like cash or beer in return for something that I want. Legally, it probably wouldn't be called bribery, but on the basic level, it's essentially what it is.
Either way, as I OU stated, it ultimately comes down to the publishers accepting the money or not. If they do, they are at a minimum at least equally as guilty as MS in the whole deal, if not more because they actually accepted the money, whereas for MS, it very well could just be business as usual and something they do regularly in all areas that they operate.
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I give up :D If words mean anything it is either a bribe or it is not. I can call myself "The King of Siam", that does not mean it is so. If true, I think it can be called dirty business. Then I would say they are trying to "control" instead of bribe. The publishers can agree or acquiesce in this and play ball and also be dirty. And no I don't think if you want someone to give you something in return for beer/$$ it is a bribe, more like a transaction or barter. Unless this person you are offering beer/$$ is an official or someone that has a public or legal responsibility that you are trying to garner favor with, then we have a bribe. I guess my point and forgive me I don't communicate in this medium very well but whether we speak legally about a definition or not does not change the definition of a term. It is by definition a legal term.
SmoothPancakes
06-08-2013, 09:55 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8szk7SWR61qjpbzk.gif
I give up :D If words mean anything it is either a bribe or it is not. I can call myself "The King of Siam", that does not mean it is so. If true, I think it can be called dirty business. Then I would say they are trying to "control" instead of bribe. The publishers can agree or acquiesce in this and play ball and also be dirty. And no I don't think if you want someone to give you something in return for beer/$$ it is a bribe, more like a transaction or barter. Unless this person you are offering beer/$$ is an official or someone that has a public or legal responsibility that you are trying to garner favor with, then we have a bribe. I guess my point and forgive me I don't communicate in this medium very well but whether we speak legally about a definition or not does not change the definition of a term. It is by definition a legal term.
Yeah, I didn't really word it the greatest, in regards to how I was trying to describe it. Either way, while it may be "dirty business", it's business as usual for MS, Sony and about every other major company in the entire world. It goes on every single day, we just choose not to notice it or acknowledge it. But I still stand by the previous statement in that while it may be dirty business for MS and/or Sony to make the offer, I personally believe it's at least equally as dirty, if not more dirty, for the publishers to accept it.
JBHuskers
06-10-2013, 02:49 PM
Hope the Amazon pre-order goes up tonight too :nod:
Deuce
06-10-2013, 03:39 PM
Hope the Amazon pre-order goes up tonight too :nod:
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Typed by thumbs.
Hope the Amazon pre-order goes up tonight too :nod:
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Typed by thumbs.
Yep and if you want the TGT kickback JB you better get the link up quick before I pre-pay before they all sell out. :nod:
I OU a Beatn
06-10-2013, 04:00 PM
It will if they announce a price. If they don't announce a price, then it wont go up.
The PS4 should be $50 cheaper (or more) without Kinect included.
A rumor posted on Games Industry International (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-06-10-ps4-to-launch-with-3-models-most-expensive-at-USD599-rumor) suggests that Sony may be taking a three-pronged approach, going with three separate SKUs that will cost as little as $399 and as much as $599.
Courtesy: IGN (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/10/rumor-playstation-4-will-have-three-skus-399-599?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social)
GI article:
Microsoft today announced a hefty price tag for its Xbox One console launching this November: $499. Sony, however, may be going higher than that, as GamesIndustry International has learned from a source close to the company that PS4 may launch with three versions, the highest being priced at $599.
The details are expected to be clarified at Sony's own E3 press conference this evening; it's currently unclear what the main differences will be among the PS4 SKUs, but our source said that Sony's looking to push 4K resolution technology as a "stepping stone" to glasses free 3D.
While cheaper versions of the PS4 (possibly as low as $399) will make a purchase much more palatable to the average consumer this holiday season, it's somewhat surprising that Microsoft and Sony are pushing hardware at such high price points. The PS3's launch at $599 back in 2006 was a very sore spot for the company, and console manufacturers are facing increasing pressure from other platforms, including tablets, smartphones and the PC itself with services like Steam. $499 and $599 will be hard to swallow for many.
I won't be buying a console at these prices. I waited last time and I will this time as well. Maybe two years from now I'll be on board. $499 is not happening and neither is $399. I could justify dropping over $400 on the PS3 when I finally got one but it was also a Blu Ray player. The PS2 was a DVD player. While Sony and MS are touting these machines as entertainment machines they actually offer less value to me in my current setup compared to the last two PS machines. The PS4 will be a gaming machine and I won't spend over $299 on it unless the games absolutely blow me away (and my wife doesn't shoot me) which I'm very skeptical of.
A rumor posted on Games Industry International (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-06-10-ps4-to-launch-with-3-models-most-expensive-at-USD599-rumor) suggests that Sony may be taking a three-pronged approach, going with three separate SKUs that will cost as little as $399 and as much as $599.
Courtesy: IGN (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/10/rumor-playstation-4-will-have-three-skus-399-599?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social)
GI article:
Microsoft today announced a hefty price tag for its Xbox One console launching this November: $499. Sony, however, may be going higher than that, as GamesIndustry International has learned from a source close to the company that PS4 may launch with three versions, the highest being priced at $599.
The details are expected to be clarified at Sony's own E3 press conference this evening; it's currently unclear what the main differences will be among the PS4 SKUs, but our source said that Sony's looking to push 4K resolution technology as a "stepping stone" to glasses free 3D.
While cheaper versions of the PS4 (possibly as low as $399) will make a purchase much more palatable to the average consumer this holiday season, it's somewhat surprising that Microsoft and Sony are pushing hardware at such high price points. The PS3's launch at $599 back in 2006 was a very sore spot for the company, and console manufacturers are facing increasing pressure from other platforms, including tablets, smartphones and the PC itself with services like Steam. $499 and $599 will be hard to swallow for many.
I don't disagree I think $500 is really pushing it as the economy hasn't really come back and even in the "boom" 2006 economy people balked at $600 for PS3. It will be interesting to see if the 3 Skus are correct and what the differences are in them.
I think people forget how long it takes to build up a console userbase. I remember reading how Tomb Raider execs were disappointed in only selling 3-4 million at launch. It will take a LOT longer for any PS4/XBone game to sell that many.
I OU a Beatn
06-10-2013, 04:36 PM
I think people forget how long it takes to build up a console userbase. I remember reading how Tomb Raider execs were disappointed in only selling 3-4 million at launch. It will take a LOT longer for any PS4/XBone game to sell that many.
Call of Duty will hit that number and then some on both PS4 and Xbox One. Tomb Raider was a 3rd person action game released at the tail end of the console cycle that has dragged on for what seemed like ages. Expecting anything more than what they sold was a joke.
Call of Duty will hit that number and then some on both PS4 and Xbox One. Tomb Raider was a 3rd person action game released at the tail end of the console cycle that has dragged on for what seemed like ages. Expecting anything more than what they sold was a joke.
Yeah had TR been a launch XB1 PS4 title they probably would have done a TON better. Although the user base will definitely be smaller people are just going to buy up allot of the new games just so they have some for their $500 console.
So used games are allowed but you need PS Plus to play online now. Love the used games still. Don't care about online either way.
Disappointed no UC4 news. Curious about the price still.
PS4 $399! $100 less than XBox and used games. That will be a huge draw for Sony.
PS4 $399! $100 less than XBox and used games. That will be a huge draw for Sony.
And no DRM and a direct shot at everything MS is doing. :nod:
JBHuskers
06-10-2013, 10:21 PM
Thanks to CDJ for finding this one :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA
Thanks to CDJ for finding this one :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA
It has 40k+ likes already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ht-0Hne4EU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdW1OuZ1U0
I OU a Beatn
06-10-2013, 11:05 PM
500GB hard drive is included; controllers cost $60 (http://www.exophase.com/60254/ps4-includes-500gb-hard-drive-dualshock-4-is-60/)
A tidbit that went unmentioned at Sony’s press conference was the size of the internal hard drive in PS4. That’s now confirmed to be 500GB according to an SCEI press release that just hit the wires. It’s good to hear Sony didn’t skimp on HDD capacity, given that digital downloads are becoming an increased focused these days.
Additionally, the price of an extra DualShock 4 controller will set you back $60 at MSRP. This represents a bit of a premium on the peripheral side over previous generations, though we suppose the extra tech in the PS4 controller such as the touch pad may warrant it.
500GB hard drive is included; controllers cost $60 (http://www.exophase.com/60254/ps4-includes-500gb-hard-drive-dualshock-4-is-60/)
Does it say if HDD is replaceable and if its the same HDD as PS3?
I OU a Beatn
06-10-2013, 11:08 PM
Doesn't say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYcae-PGC_c
JBHuskers
06-10-2013, 11:09 PM
If games aren't drastically bigger, 500GB will be just fine.
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SmoothPancakes
06-10-2013, 11:12 PM
Eh, what the hell, went ahead and pre-ordered on Amazon. Doubt I'll keep both pre-orders, especially since $900 is a hefty price around the holidays. Most likely will drop PS4 later on and get Xbox One at release (if I decide to in fact get it on day one), and then look at PS4 maybe in 2014. But, doesn't hurt to have both placed on pre-order so I can worry about choosing later.
I OU a Beatn
06-10-2013, 11:14 PM
Eh, what the hell, went ahead and pre-ordered on Amazon. Doubt I'll keep both pre-orders, especially since $900 is a hefty price around the holidays. Most likely will drop PS4 later on and get Xbox One at release (if I decide to in fact get it on day one), and then look at PS4 maybe in 2014. But, doesn't hurt to have both placed on pre-order so I can worry about choosing later.
Want some advice? Order both, keep the one you really want, sell the other for easily double your profit. Order another when they come back in stock. Free PS4 or One. I'm not doing that, but I should.
Updated PS4 Game List
http://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/PlayStation_4_Games
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I thought this was interesting re: PS4 size.
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 12:23 AM
Eh, what the hell, went ahead and pre-ordered on Amazon. Doubt I'll keep both pre-orders, especially since $900 is a hefty price around the holidays. Most likely will drop PS4 later on and get Xbox One at release (if I decide to in fact get it on day one), and then look at PS4 maybe in 2014. But, doesn't hurt to have both placed on pre-order so I can worry about choosing later.
Want some advice? Order both, keep the one you really want, sell the other for easily double your profit. Order another when they come back in stock. Free PS4 or One. I'm not doing that, but I should.
No kidding. As long as you don't get a non-paying douche on eBay.
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 12:31 AM
That's why I'm probably not doing it. They seem to be attracted to me for some reason.
Camera (not included) will cost $59.
The internal design architecture of the PS4 system, from the optical drive and power
supply unit to the cooling mechanism, has been pursed to keep the body as slim and light as
possible to dramatically enhance the flexibility of the design.
The PS4 features a simple but modern design accentuated by its linear flat form factors.
The surface of the PS4 body is subdivided into four sections, as if four blocks are stacked
together making one figure, with disc slot, buttons, power indicator and vent placed within the
slim interspace created between the sections. The power indicator designed atop the body will
glow in a PlayStation blue color when the power button is turned on. The foreside and
backside of the body is slightly angled; it not only gives users easy access to the power button
and disc slot when placed either horizontally or vertically but also helps conceal the connected
cables. The black-themed color along with the matte and gloss finish adds a sophisticated look
to the PS4 system as the next generation entertainment system and will fit perfectly wherever it
is placed.
Since February 2013, the number of developers joining has increased from
126 to 505.
Source (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/news/20130611_01E.pdf)
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 02:07 AM
This is a pretty big one:
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The PS4 hard drive is swappable just like the PS3.
http://www.shacknews.com/article/79647/ps4-hard-drive-is-user-replacable
As for buying extra consoles and selling for a profit I wouldn't bother. That worked back in the PS2 days but it certainly didn't work for the Wii U and at these prices I don't see a crazy demand to outstrip supply.
The PS4 hard drive is swappable just like the PS3.
http://www.shacknews.com/article/79647/ps4-hard-drive-is-user-replacable
As for buying extra consoles and selling for a profit I wouldn't bother. That worked back in the PS2 days but it certainly didn't work for the Wii U and at these prices I don't see a crazy demand to outstrip supply.
I LOVE ME SOME SONY! The hits just keep on coming on things PS4 can do that XB1 cannot. :nod:
I still don't get how you guys get the tweet specific web links. :smh:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/404fbc551f9aafd826d4a15d51353aff/tumblr_mn7im30NGL1r26y7to1_400.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyphczGphgA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kkTx_FECjY
The ENTIRE Press Conference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmoZAPDV3ew&feature=g-subs-u
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUtr0Xdkk58
Wow looked allot bigger than the most recent slip to me. I'll miss you fat PS3. :nod:
NatureBoy
06-11-2013, 06:49 AM
If you pre-order with Amazon, do they charge your card now or when it ships? As you can tell, I have never pre-ordered anything from them before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3EB1Fbd8v4
If you pre-order with Amazon, do they charge your card now or when it ships? As you can tell, I have never pre-ordered anything from them before.
Yes you are not charged until it ships.
NatureBoy
06-11-2013, 06:54 AM
Yes you are not charged until it ships. :up: Thanks!
:up: Thanks!
Make sure to use the TGT kickback link. Same price but our buddies here get a % of the sale for the referral.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHYLTJSWS1w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X60mCt6qH20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICZPbsgycZc
skipwondah33
06-11-2013, 08:28 AM
Yes you are not charged until it ships.Holy shit I didn't know that
Pre-ordering now lol
CLW that's the 2nd coolest thing you have done since your NCAA league years years back :D
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 09:13 AM
Sounds like to me if the system doesn't support it, it's not up to the publishers.
http://www.vgchartz.com/article/251024/e3-2013-ps4-supports-used-games-no-online-connection-required/
Sony has announced at their E3 Press Conference that the PlayStation 4 supports the use of used games. The system won't have any sort of online authentication. You can trade in games to retailers, lend games to friends and sell the games yourself.
Sony also announced that the PlayStation Plus membership carries over to the PlayStation 4.
gschwendt
06-11-2013, 09:34 AM
High res photos of the console, controller, and earbud
http://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/with/9012525558/
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 10:01 AM
Still wondering what that AUX port is on the back. Possible component compatibility, along with other types of cables?
Still wondering what that AUX port is on the back. Possible component compatibility, along with other types of cables?
Polygon says it is for the camera.
The most disappointing reveal of Sony’s E3 was that you’ll have to subscribe to PlayStation Plus to play online on PS4, but now we can confirm that at least you only have to have one subscriber on your PS4 for everyone to play online.
If you share your console and have multiple accounts, each one will not have to subscribe to play online, Shuhei Yoshida confirmed on Twitter. Just one account must subscribe.
Source (http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/06/11/one-playstation-plus-account-on-ps4-will-allow-other-accounts-to-play-online-on-same-console/#.Ubc8tS--TaM.twitter)
gschwendt
06-11-2013, 10:13 AM
Video of the user interface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1OegYm1dM9g
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 10:14 AM
Polygon says it is for the camera.
The most disappointing reveal of Sony’s E3 was that you’ll have to subscribe to PlayStation Plus to play online on PS4, but now we can confirm that at least you only have to have one subscriber on your PS4 for everyone to play online.
If you share your console and have multiple accounts, each one will not have to subscribe to play online, Shuhei Yoshida confirmed on Twitter. Just one account must subscribe.
Source (http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/06/11/one-playstation-plus-account-on-ps4-will-allow-other-accounts-to-play-online-on-same-console/#.Ubc8tS--TaM.twitter)
Thanks!
And I guess for me it's not disappointing because it's a huge value anyways. If it makes online better as a result, then it's a bonus.
Another good thing to come of this, before the PS4 announcement, there were NEVER any PS+ sales. Already there is one at Best Buy for $40. (http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/96796/best-buy-sony-playstation-plus-subscription-12month-subscription-card-40-3month-subscription-card) I'm good until November 2014, so I don't think I'm going to chase deals unless they become $30.
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 10:17 AM
From G's video he posted. "Download multiplayer mode first" ... nice!
Holy shit I didn't know that
Pre-ordering now lol
CLW that's the 2nd coolest thing you have done since your NCAA league years years back :D
Yeah I really like Amazon. Make sure to use the TGT referral link (its floating around here somehwere - powers that be should sticky a thread for PS4/XB1 pre-order links IMHO).
Damn it your going to ruin my "uncool" mojo I have going on here. I miss the OD I used to run back in the day and I think I'm going to try to get the whole gang back together again for 14 but we shall see.
Still wondering what that AUX port is on the back. Possible component compatibility, along with other types of cables?
Camera I'm guessing or it makes craft beer for you just buy the needed hose to tap the PS4 keg. :nod:
skipwondah33
06-11-2013, 10:18 AM
Hmm is it going to be mandatory to have PS+ for PS4?
I've heard a rumor that it was
gschwendt
06-11-2013, 10:19 AM
Hmm is it going to be mandatory to have PS+ for PS4?
I've heard a rumor that it was
If you want to play online, yes. It's like XBox Gold account. Though with the PS+, you'll still get free games, etc. that you do now.
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 10:22 AM
Camera I'm guessing or it makes craft beer for you just buy the needed hose to tap the PS4 keg. :nod:
That would be epic.
Video of the user interface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1OegYm1dM9g
Looks pretty smooth and intuitive. Hopefully it doesn't become too clunky/cluttered with all the stuff. It MIGHT make me sign up for a Facebook account though. :smh:
If you want to play online, yes. It's like XBox Gold account. Though with the PS+, you'll still get free games, etc. that you do now.
Yeah PS+ and Gold are virtually identical now.
Sony changed to the Pay to play online.
MS changed to give away free games like +.
skipwondah33
06-11-2013, 10:26 AM
Yeah I really like Amazon. Make sure to use the TGT referral link (its floating around here somehwere - powers that be should sticky a thread for PS4/XB1 pre-order links IMHO).
Damn it your going to ruin my "uncool" mojo I have going on here. I miss the OD I used to run back in the day and I think I'm going to try to get the whole gang back together again for 14 but we shall see.I'm on Amazon right now lol
Oh guys make sure you aren't getting that protection they are trying to sell. You will get billed now and some other crappy stuff along with it I'm reading
Man I miss the NNCCS league days. Blast playing then.
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 10:30 AM
Yeah PS+ and Gold are virtually identical now.
Sony changed to the Pay to play online.
MS changed to give away free games like +.
Except MS has a lot of catching up to do for free games. Halo 3 and Assassin's Creed 2 aren't going to make people jump for joy.
morsdraconis
06-11-2013, 10:31 AM
Except MS has a lot of catching up to do for free games. Halo 3 and Assassin's Creed 2 aren't going to make people jump for joy.
Yeah. That made me chuckle because they just kinda glided over it like it was nothing but it was.
skipwondah33
06-11-2013, 10:32 AM
Yeah I don't mind paying for it, just didn't keep it because I didn't play alot of those games after it's initial year. I did get InFamous and another game with it though.
http://imageshack.us/a/img546/2033/1370937582023.gif
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 10:39 AM
For PS+, Sleeping Dogs, Uncharted 3, Saints Row the Third, Spec Ops: The Line. Solid retail titles. Also solid PSN titles that are fairly new too.
skipwondah33
06-11-2013, 10:41 AM
Damn those are all free?
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 10:45 AM
Damn those are all free?
Yes.
Uncharted 3 and Saints Row the Third are this month, along with some secret E3 games that may or may not have been announced (not sure on that).
Damn those are all free?
Yeah I don't remember when I joined but I have like 300GB of "free" games many of them are AAA titles. Usually its been a AAA quality title for free about once a month plus a few smaller titles as well plus some Vita games.
If you signed up today and downloaded everything here is what you would have in your library:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3783/8907639144_6a33b960f7_z.jpg
Plus UC3.
skipwondah33
06-11-2013, 10:52 AM
Holy shit Unchartered 3 is worth it alone
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 10:59 AM
Holy shit Unchartered 3 is worth it alone
Not sure when it is free, but sometime this month.
skipwondah33
06-11-2013, 11:01 AM
I have all this hard drive space when I had to get a new PS3 and I don't use hardly any of it lol
I'll get PS+ again eventually obviously before PS4 releases but it is calling me right now
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 11:08 AM
I have all this hard drive space when I had to get a new PS3 and I don't use hardly any of it lol
I'll get PS+ again eventually obviously before PS4 releases but it is calling me right now
Might as well. You won't regret it.
Best Buy has a year for $10 off ($40)... (http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/96796/best-buy-sony-playstation-plus-subscription-12month-subscription-card-40-3month-subscription-card)
I believe UC3 is added to the collection this afternoon.
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 11:27 AM
I was going to post the interface video last night. A couple of the screens aren't bad, but that one with all the white boxes is some of the worst UI design I've EVER seen. Just horrific. I hope to God that isn't the main screen.
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 12:01 PM
Packaging:
http://admin.clickonline.com/Common/Helper/DownloadImage.Ashx?ImageId=299377&ImageSize=Medium
SmoothPancakes
06-11-2013, 12:05 PM
I hope you can lay it down and it is just stood up on end on the packaging to show it off. I had my first 360 stood up vertically and kept running into issues with my disk drive and stuff. My 360 slim, I have kept horizontal from day one and have never had a single problem with it.
https://securecdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/516/9903/original.jpg
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 01:50 PM
I don't think I'll get the camera. I didn't use the PS Move as much as I thought I would have. Kinda cool at first, but I'm a lazy gamer.
I don't think I'll get the camera. I didn't use the PS Move as much as I thought I would have. Kinda cool at first, but I'm a lazy gamer.
Big Brother disapproves this message. :nod:
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 01:54 PM
Big Brother disapproves this message. :nod:
Big Brother is probably tired of watching me whack it anyways.
Big Brother is probably tired of watching me whack it anyways.
Nope gotta know that heart rate so they know when/if you are going to need the death panel in Obama care to deny you live saving heart medication.
skipwondah33
06-11-2013, 02:41 PM
I definitely won't get a camera. Hell I need that for?
I definitely won't get a camera. Hell I need that for?
To say Xbox On and/or watch t.v.! :nod:
skipwondah33
06-11-2013, 02:50 PM
To say Xbox On and/or watch t.v.! :nod:....hell I need that for? lol
skipwondah33
06-11-2013, 02:51 PM
That would be cool to show someone who isn't into gaming or technology once. Then it would be useless as wet toilet paper.
That would be cool to show someone who isn't into gaming or technology once. Then it would be useless as wet toilet paper.
Shhhh...... Microsoft and their fanboys are very impressed with XBoxOne's ability to let you watch t.v. on your t.v.. Disregard the fact that a simple press of the input button is much faster than saying "XBox Watch TV"
skipwondah33
06-11-2013, 03:02 PM
Hahaha especially if it doesn't work on the 1st "Xbox Watch TV" command. "Damn it I'll just turn it on"
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 03:08 PM
Shhhh...... Microsoft and their fanboys are very impressed with XBoxOne's ability to let you watch t.v. on your t.v.. Disregard the fact that a simple press of the input button is much faster than saying "XBox Watch TV"
No, Microsoft's fan boys are impressed with their catalog of exclusives that they revealed yesterday. I guess soccer moms would be excited for the TV stuff, but it's definitely not the fan boys.
No, Microsoft's fan boys are impressed with their catalog of exclusives that they revealed yesterday. I guess soccer moms would be excited for the TV stuff, but it's definitely not the fan boys.
Very well then apparently ONLY Microsoft is impressed with this feature (possibly b/c they want to sell all your data away or give it to the government). :nod:
SmoothPancakes
06-11-2013, 03:21 PM
No, Microsoft's fan boys are impressed with their catalog of exclusives that they revealed yesterday. I guess soccer moms would be excited for the TV stuff, but it's definitely not the fan boys.
Yeah, I couldn't give two shits about the TV stuff. I'm getting the Xbox One because of the exclusives (and very much due to the new Halo in 2014). I also use my Xbox for Netflix and Amazon Video, but the rest of the stuff, I don't really bother with. Whether I keep my PS4 pre-order is going to depend solely on the list of PS4 exclusives between now and September.
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 03:31 PM
I like how Sony came out right away and said a couple of the PS4 PSN titles will be free on PS+ like Don't Starve.
http://www.vgmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/sony-microsoft-e3-gif.gif
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 04:00 PM
Right in the grill.
NatureBoy
06-11-2013, 04:13 PM
I went and pre-ordered a PS4 today from Gamestop. $100 deposit up front. Thankfully, I had games and such to trade in so there was no out of pocket cost to me. They are offering $110 trade on my 250 GB PS3 Slim. I'm thinking about going ahead and trading it in while the value is still somewhat high.
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 04:21 PM
Sweet Naitch. We'll have to have some next gen wrestling battles for WWE 2KWhatever. (not sure if this year will be on next gen or not)
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 04:45 PM
Very well then apparently ONLY Microsoft is impressed with this feature (possibly b/c they want to sell all your data away or give it to the government). :nod:
That very well could be the case. :D
I know I'm sure as hell not excited about TV stuff. I wish all this TV and entertainment garbage would just die. I already have devices for that; I don't need my gaming console to do it, too.
Sony is officially included with that since they decided to dedicated 15 minutes to some dude rambling on about entertainment and then mentioned their console as the number 1 device for watching Netflix. Seriously, I miss the PS2 days.
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 04:46 PM
Yeah, I couldn't give two shits about the TV stuff. I'm getting the Xbox One because of the exclusives (and very much due to the new Halo in 2014). I also use my Xbox for Netflix and Amazon Video, but the rest of the stuff, I don't really bother with. Whether I keep my PS4 pre-order is going to depend solely on the list of PS4 exclusives between now and September.
Absolutely. I have it reserved but they better reveal something else than what they have. I thought their conference sucked. The only redeeming qualities was the price and the hilariousness of them dogging Microsoft. Their games sucked ass. Hardcore.
There's another conference coming up soon so I guess they're going to be revealed there.
Absolutely. I have it reserved but they better reveal something else than what they have. I thought their conference sucked. The only redeeming qualities was the price and the hilariousness of them dogging Microsoft. Their games sucked ass. Hardcore.
There's another conference coming up soon so I guess they're going to be revealed there.
I don't recall being wowed by any XB1 exclusives either. I saw some racing games and FPS but if that's your main focus go for it. I think Sony has said before they want a console that is more than just FPS and Fifa/Madden.
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 05:00 PM
Okay, but where were they? They didn't just not have shooters, they didn't have much of anything! The funny thing is the only new exclusive they revealed, The Order 1886, is a shooter. :D
I know you don't like shooters, so you probably really weren't all that impressed by Microsoft's conference. However, as a shooter nut, I was blown away by it. The Xbox One became a day one purchase the second they showed off Titanfall running on the One. Dead Rising 3 is also right up my alley. There were more, but those 2 (and Ryse) really looked impressive to me.
gschwendt
06-11-2013, 05:01 PM
I'd be willing to bet that Titanfall becomes a timed exclusive... this generation it will be too easy to port from XB1 to PS4 & vice versa. That's why Trials is coming to PS4 I imagine.
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 05:05 PM
I'd be willing to bet that Titanfall becomes a timed exclusive... this generation it will be too easy to port from XB1 to PS4 & vice versa. That's why Trials is coming to PS4 I imagine.
According to an insider, it's a 1 year exclusive. If Microsoft throws more money at them, it could stay exclusive. I don't think that will be necessary, though, by the time it comes out a year later, I'd assume most of the interest would be dead by then.
But, that same insider was wrong about multiple things yesterday, so it very well could be a full exclusive.
morsdraconis
06-11-2013, 05:28 PM
I'm curious about how Sony was able to make the console $100 than Microsoft was able to do with their console. Both consoles are basically exactly the same when it comes to parts. I wonder if Microsoft's is more expensive because of their need to pay extra for Blu-ray drives or something.
I'd be VERY interested to see what Sony's plan was with the cost of the console and if they are actually making money off their sales of the console or if they are banking on exclusives and software to make their money back. Lower prices on the console almost guarantees that, with the power of this console, they are going to beat Microsoft when it comes to volume of sales, so, I would think, their idea would be to take a loss on the console, but bank on exclusives and software in general to help make their money back.
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 05:31 PM
Kinect. Without Kinect, you're looking at a $400 package. Guaranteed.
morsdraconis
06-11-2013, 05:34 PM
Kinect. Without Kinect, you're looking at a $400 package. Guaranteed.
Forgot about that. That actually makes sense.
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 05:37 PM
Yeah, it's unfortunate, too. If they would've designed the console so that it was an optional thing like with 360, I could have gotten a regular One with $400. Now, I'm going to pay an extra $100 for something I wont ever use. That burns me over a hell of a lot more than the 24 check in and used games stuff.
Oh well, I'll hold out a glimmer of hope and say that since every One user will now have Kinect, maybe they can actually make it useful (yes, I know, INCREDIBLY wishful thinking).
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 07:09 PM
PS4 now sold out at Amazon. Unbelievable how quick both of them went. Less than a day for both.
EDIT: I should note that while the launch day consoles are now gone, they've put up order pages for the 2nd batch for both Xbox One and PS4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeuHGESZBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YExuGLJ9ns
PS4 now sold out at Amazon. Unbelievable how quick both of them went. Less than a day for both.
EDIT: I should note that while the launch day consoles are now gone, they've put up order pages for the 2nd batch for both Xbox One and PS4.
Yeah I called my mother this morning and told her if she wanted one guaranteed for Christmas for the nephew to let me know ASAP. Just called her to tell them Amazon was sold out of guaranteed release day. Any clue/guesses how likely it is if I ordered one for her now if it would get to her by Christmas?
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 07:47 PM
Yeah I called my mother this morning and told her if she wanted one guaranteed for Christmas for the nephew to let me know ASAP. Just called her to tell them Amazon was sold out of guaranteed release day. Any clue/guesses how likely it is if I ordered one for her now if it would get to her by Christmas?
Release day? I sincerely doubt it. Christmas, though, I'd say is pretty certain. If you order now, you're getting no worse than the 2nd batch (and even if you order now, there's still a possibility you'll get it on release day - it all depends on how many Sony is able to manufacture), so yeah, I'd say you would be safe getting it well before Christmas.
I'm guessing these consoles are going to launch around the last week of October/first 2 weeks of November, so they should have gone through 3 or 4 batches before Christmas.
EDIT: Official message from Amazon regarding ordering a PS4 now:
The standard version of the PlayStation 4 is identical to the Launch Edition. Due to high demand, we cannot guarantee Release-Date Delivery on the standard version of the PlayStation 4. We will deliver the standard version of PlayStation 4 as close to its release date as possible.
SCClassof93
06-11-2013, 07:53 PM
Not sure if this has been posted yet. All the vents appear to be in the back.
http://sketchfab.com/show/b7LzIm8JrnPw4GBDOMBNGYc39qM
Release day? I sincerely doubt it. Christmas, though, I'd say is pretty certain. If you order now, you're getting no worse than the 2nd batch (and even if you order now, there's still a possibility you'll get it on release day - it all depends on how many Sony is able to manufacture), so yeah, I'd say you would be safe getting it well before Christmas.
I'm guessing these consoles are going to launch around the last week of October/first 2 weeks of November, so they should have gone through 3 or 4 batches before Christmas.
EDIT: Official message from Amazon regarding ordering a PS4 now:
Yeah she doesn't care about release day it is a Christmas gift. She called the local Gamestop. They got 20 PS4s and 15 XBoxOnes (maybe MS is behind on manufacturing). They have 2 PS4s and 2 XBoxOnes left couldn't take a pre-order over the phone so she is driving approx 15 minutes to try to get it ordered before the store closes and/or they sell out.
This shizzle is going to be insane this Holiday season with late arrivers trying desperately to get a nice gift and people selling them on ebay for 5 times the price.
LeeSO
06-11-2013, 08:00 PM
Release day? I sincerely doubt it. Christmas, though, I'd say is pretty certain. If you order now, you're getting no worse than the 2nd batch (and even if you order now, there's still a possibility you'll get it on release day - it all depends on how many Sony is able to manufacture), so yeah, I'd say you would be safe getting it well before Christmas.
I'm guessing these consoles are going to launch around the last week of October/first 2 weeks of November, so they should have gone through 3 or 4 batches before Christmas.
EDIT: Official message from Amazon regarding ordering a PS4 now:
When I pre ordered from Amazon last night it said nothing about it being the launch edition. Does that mean I won't be getting it on/around launch? Or does it mean that my pre order is considered launch day since I locked it down last night?
When I pre ordered from Amazon last night it said nothing about it being the launch edition. Does that mean I won't be getting it on/around launch? Or does it mean that my pre order is considered launch day since I locked it down last night?
Go to amazon and double check (click on launch edition and should show that you pre-ordered it) but if you ordered last night you most likely got "launch edition" amazon just wants to keep selling $400 systems while letting the consumers know they might not get it at launch
SCClassof93
06-11-2013, 08:04 PM
Go to amazon and double check (click on launch edition and should show that you pre-ordered it) but if you ordered last night you most likely got "launch edition" amazon just wants to keep selling $400 systems while letting the consumers know they might not get it at launch
Wonder why mine says standard edition? :fp:
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 08:05 PM
Yeah she doesn't care about release day it is a Christmas gift. She called the local Gamestop. They got 20 PS4s and 15 XBoxOnes (maybe MS is behind on manufacturing). They have 2 PS4s and 2 XBoxOnes left couldn't take a pre-order over the phone so she is driving approx 15 minutes to try to get it ordered before the store closes and/or they sell out.
This shizzle is going to be insane this Holiday season with late arrivers trying desperately to get a nice gift and people selling them on ebay for 5 times the price.
I can't wait for the Black Friday videos of people stomping the shit out of each other trying to get a next gen console. I love them.
When I pre ordered from Amazon last night it said nothing about it being the launch edition. Does that mean I won't be getting it on/around launch? Or does it mean that my pre order is considered launch day since I locked it down last night?
No, you're fine. It didn't say "launch day" until they ran out of guaranteed first day systems. All systems ordered last night and up until about 7 p.m. EST today are guaranteed launch day consoles.
When I pre ordered from Amazon last night it said nothing about it being the launch edition. Does that mean I won't be getting it on/around launch? Or does it mean that my pre order is considered launch day since I locked it down last night?
You have Launch Edition.
To double-check, go to this page and select Launch Edition (http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-4-Launch-Edition/dp/B00BGA9WK2/ref=sr_tr_sr_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370999027&sr=8-1&keywords=playstation+4). At the top it should say "You purchased this item on June 10." You shouldn't see that when the Standard Edition is selected.
I've heard that some GameStop's are saying the XB1 will be out on 11/21 (expected based on website), but that they think the PS4 will be out before that as Sony is looking to undercut Microsoft in every way possible. I don't know how much stock I'd put in it, but that's what I have heard.
Wonder why mine says standard edition? :fp:
I called Amazon and told them you didn't need it on release day since you only wanted it for the FPS. :nod:
Does yours really say Standard? When did you order?
LeeSO
06-11-2013, 08:09 PM
You have Launch Edition.
To double-check, go to this page and select Launch Edition (http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-4-Launch-Edition/dp/B00BGA9WK2/ref=sr_tr_sr_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370999027&sr=8-1&keywords=playstation+4). At the top it should say "You purchased this item on June 10." You shouldn't see that when the Standard Edition is selected.
I've heard that some GameStop's are saying the XB1 will be out on 11/21 (expected based on website), but that they think the PS4 will be out before that as Sony is looking to undercut Microsoft in every way possible. I don't know how much stock I'd put in it, but that's what I have heard.
Thanks for this. I'm good. :up:
SCClassof93
06-11-2013, 08:09 PM
I called Amazon and told them you didn't need it on release day since you only wanted it for the FPS. :nod:
Does yours really say Standard? When did you order?
Last night, sigh
You have Launch Edition.
To double-check, go to this page and select Launch Edition (http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-4-Launch-Edition/dp/B00BGA9WK2/ref=sr_tr_sr_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370999027&sr=8-1&keywords=playstation+4). At the top it should say "You purchased this item on June 10." You shouldn't see that when the Standard Edition is selected.
I've heard that some GameStop's are saying the XB1 will be out on 11/21 (expected based on website), but that they think the PS4 will be out before that as Sony is looking to undercut Microsoft in every way possible. I don't know how much stock I'd put in it, but that's what I have heard.
Last night, sigh
Are you sure that makes zero sense b/c this "launch edition" thing just started tonight? Time to go all Democrat on someone's behind. :nod:
LeeSO
06-11-2013, 08:14 PM
Are you sure that makes zero sense b/c this "launch edition" thing just started tonight? Time to go all Democrat on someone's behind. :nod:
It worked for me when I tried it. Like I said, last night I saw nothing about a launch edition and BAM, I see it tonight when I folllowed CDJ's instructions.
It worked for me when I tried it. Like I said, last night I saw nothing about a launch edition and BAM, I see it tonight when I folllowed CDJ's instructions.
Cool. There is ZERO difference in a "Launch Edition" and the "Standard Edition" on PS4 (I believe there is for XB1) Amazon just needed to distinguish that they can no longer guarantee release day delivery
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 08:19 PM
GS has the release date for the One as 11/21 as CDJ said, but I believe that's placeholder. I personally believe it's launching with Call of Duty to help sell the system. My guess is first week of November. Sony should be around the same time. Neither one of them is going to give each other much of a head start.
GS has the release date for the One as 11/21 as CDJ said, but I believe that's placeholder. I personally believe it's launching with Call of Duty to help sell the system. My guess is first week of November. Sony should be around the same time. Neither one of them is going to give each other much of a head start.
Yeah I would expect within the same week they both launch but I don't think MS can allow Sony to undercut them again. They are already beaten on price and PR coming out of E3.
NatureBoy
06-11-2013, 08:36 PM
Sweet Naitch. We'll have to have some next gen wrestling battles for WWE 2KWhatever. (not sure if this year will be on next gen or not) Sounds good. I went ahead and traded in my PS3 this evening. After all the trading in I did today, I only owe $162.13. Not bad for paying nothing out of pocket.
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 11:08 PM
Not sure if someone posted this....but PS4 will be region free.
GatorfanStovy
06-11-2013, 11:12 PM
Sounds good. I went ahead and traded in my PS3 this evening. After all the trading in I did today, I only owe $162.13. Not bad for paying nothing out of pocket.
What will you play until Nov ?
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 11:14 PM
Not sure if someone posted this....but PS4 will be region free.
Yep, I did last night. Hard drives are also user replaceable.
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 11:47 PM
Yep, I did last night. Hard drives are also user replaceable.
Any word on total USB ports?
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 11:48 PM
2 of them. Both are USB 3.0.
JBHuskers
06-11-2013, 11:49 PM
2 of them. Both are USB 3.0.
I'll have to get an adapter for HDD transfers in the future, and for charging the bluetooth (assuming they're compatible for the PS4).
I OU a Beatn
06-11-2013, 11:52 PM
On the flip side, the Xbox hard drive is NOT user replaceable (as in, you can't use your own drives AND you can't even access it period). However, unlike with the Xbox 360, you can use external hard drives, so storage shouldn't be a problem on any system.
GatorfanStovy
06-11-2013, 11:55 PM
Damn that blows for X1 another knock on point against them ugh.
My real questions ah hell .. I'm preordering the ps4 sadly probably no launch edition but oh well. at 399 its a steal . Now from where is the question.
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I OU a Beatn
06-12-2013, 12:30 AM
Damn that blows for X1 another knock on point against them ugh.
How is being able to finally use external hard drives a knock against them? Not being able to mess with the internal drive is kind of annoying, but being able to swap out drives whenever? Hell yeah.
GatorfanStovy
06-12-2013, 12:32 AM
That is what I meant being able to swap out hard drives. I liked that more on the 360. never had too but nice option.
JBHuskers
06-12-2013, 12:52 AM
Proprietary drives and memory are such a ripoff. See PS Vita & 360.
I OU a Beatn
06-12-2013, 12:56 AM
That is what I meant being able to swap out hard drives. I liked that more on the 360. never had too but nice option.
Not really. You had to use one of Microsoft's ridiculously overpriced hard drives. With the One, you wont be able to change internal storage, but I can use my 2TB external drive and NEVER run out of room. If I do, I just get another external drive. It's way better than how it was on 360. A billion times better.
JBHuskers
06-12-2013, 01:03 AM
Not really. You had to use one of Microsoft's ridiculously overpriced hard drives. With the One, you wont be able to change internal storage, but I can use my 2TB external drive and NEVER run out of room. If I do, I just get another external drive. It's way better than how it was on 360. A billion times better.
You think storing games on an external won't hinder performance?
I OU a Beatn
06-12-2013, 01:08 AM
You think storing games on an external won't hinder performance?
I don't see why it would. You could use thumb drives on 360, which I did, and I couldn't tell a bit of a difference. Those were USB 2.0. The One has USB 3.0 and so does my external drive, so I doubt I'll ever run into any problems. I've run Steam games off the same drive and they all ran flawlessly.
JBHuskers
06-12-2013, 01:33 AM
I don't see why it would. You could use thumb drives on 360, which I did, and I couldn't tell a bit of a difference. Those were USB 2.0. The One has USB 3.0 and so does my external drive, so I doubt I'll ever run into any problems. I've run Steam games off the same drive and they all ran flawlessly.
Good to know. I might get a thumb drive for the 360 cuz I'm running out of space.
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Well my mom got a PS4 at Gamestop last night so the nephew is getting a PS4 for Christmas. What launch titles do you think would be appropriate for an 11 year old? He LOVES the Show and other sports games and plays them mostly but also plays other age appropriate games (Little Big Planet; Racing/Car games; etc...)
morsdraconis
06-12-2013, 07:15 AM
Well my mom got a PS4 at Gamestop last night so the nephew is getting a PS4 for Christmas. What launch titles do you think would be appropriate for an 11 year old? He LOVES the Show and other sports games and plays them mostly but also plays other age appropriate games (Little Big Planet; Racing/Car games; etc...)
I'd get him NBA 2k14, Madden 25, Drive Club (if he has decent internet), and Knack. Maybe Need For Speed: Rivals as well. Sadly, for an 11 year old, their initial launch games aren't the best.
SmoothPancakes
06-12-2013, 07:39 AM
Not really. You had to use one of Microsoft's ridiculously overpriced hard drives. With the One, you wont be able to change internal storage, but I can use my 2TB external drive and NEVER run out of room. If I do, I just get another external drive. It's way better than how it was on 360. A billion times better.
Exactly. It's basically a tie for both systems on storage.
PS4 you can get bigger storage space, but you have to remove and install a new hard drive yourself. Xbox One, all you gotta do is buy an external drive, as big as you want to because there are no concerns on space (read some of the issues some people have had in the last year or two with trying to get super large hard drives only to not be able to fit them inside their PS3s) and just simply plug it in via USB 3.0.
I've been running every PC/Steam game via USB 2.0 from a 2 TB external drive for two years now, never had a single problem with them. Like I OU, they have run flawlessly. So no reason to expect anything less with USB 3.0 on the Xbox One.
Yoshida was downright giddy in the podcast beyond that was posted last night.
Things of note:
Possibly other PS4 bundles/skus may be announced later (TBD - but the one announced is the plan for the one to push)
Happy but not surprised by reaction to its DRM policy
1886 - been in work since GOW PSP (3 years)
Many secrets about other titles 1st Party publishers (ND, Santa Monica, etc...) - "Not announced everything" - more games to be announced at some other conference
Last Guardian - still working on title but very vague about what "hiatus" means - basically its just not close to being ready for public consumption
Used Games / Sharing Video / that GT TV Interview - what Jack meant was NO CHANGE IN PS4 FROM PS3 FOR OFFLINE GAMES - ONLY CHANGE IS + REQUIRED FOR ONLINE PLAY - OTHERWISE PS4 EXACTLY LIKE PS3
Seems the theme of "Greatness Awakes" with marketing may continue to attack MS with sarcastic humor - "In our mind we have to answer questions that may arise and explain that clearly" might include "personality" in our explaining to our customers how our system works
Not concerned about EA (other 3rd party relationships)
XB1 exclusives "same games but in different worlds" but were appealing
On some publishers (Insomniac) leaving Sony and making exclusives on XB1 - We have relationships with publishers and they can decide what's best for them - part of growing up
Nintendo - owns 2 WiiUs - doesn't check in on WiiU that often - great company and make great games
Vita - beginning of platform will continue to add features, applications, games
Indy games very important for PS4 and Vita
Vita Price Cut - no price move at E3 - that's all he would say
PS4 launch - "Holiday" US/Europe - still waiting to hear back from manufacturers before announcing actual launch date for US/Europe and no date for Japan
Yoshida excited about Second Son, The Last of Us and GT6 - platformer favorite genre
Looking for approx 50/50 balance between new IPs and continuing on with established hits (GOW, UC, etc...)
12 new IPs within 1st year of launch
the new IPs are good/refreshing/healthy for the studios/employees who may become fatigued with making the same game all the time
Cheaper retail copy box games ($40 games) - marketing will decide what the appropriate price point is lower price point can be good and will be determined on game to game basis - would not say whether the "standard" $60 game price would remain the same - digital games are different than disc games - some will be free to play etc...
No PS eye in $399 PS4 - The lights on controller still serve function w/o eye (lights will change colors flash etc... if you are being shot/low on health etc...)
Motion Gaming - we know its great in some situations but becoming clear not all games can be enhanced by camera/motion so we made it a choice for consumer whether to have camera or not
PS Eye - great for sharing your PS4 content online
Youtube - not ready to talk about how it can be used with PS4 (sounds like discussions are ongoing)
PS Allstars - really hope there is a future - happy with game but just hasn't generated enough momentum - sounds like they are done with DLC for the game
The Last Of Us - Amazed with critical reception of game - knew game would be great b/c of Naughty Dog
Possibility of T.V. series/movies exclusive to PSN via Sony pictures
gschwendt
06-12-2013, 08:07 AM
My only fear with the XB1 in terms of storage is what happens when the internal HDD fails? Can you install the OS to the external? Do you have to send the entire console to MS?
NatureBoy
06-12-2013, 08:14 AM
What will you play until Nov ?
I still have my 360. I'm keeping it.
I OU a Beatn
06-12-2013, 08:42 AM
My only fear with the XB1 in terms of storage is what happens when the internal HDD fails? Can you install the OS to the external? Do you have to send the entire console to MS?
Send it in to Microsoft.
Last Guardian - still working on title but very vague about what "hiatus" means - basically its just not close to being ready for public consumption
Used Games / Sharing Video / that GT TV Interview - what Jack meant was NO CHANGE IN PS4 FROM PS3 FOR OFFLINE GAMES - ONLY CHANGE IS + REQUIRED FOR ONLINE PLAY - OTHERWISE PS4 EXACTLY LIKE PS3
Not concerned about EA (other 3rd party relationships)
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On The Last Guardian, that's like a running joke now. It was shown so long ago that I don't even care about it now and at this point, I doubt it ever gets released. I'm more curious as to what happened with Agent.
I'd say they're not concerned with EA, although watching a massive exclusive like Titanfall go to the Xbox One is probably a little unnerving. It's not like EA is going to suddenly go full on Xbox exclusive, so I don't see anything to be worried about.
I don't get what the whole online thing is about though. Does that just mean you can still play offline without Plus? I thought they already confirmed that.
Send it in to Microsoft.
On The Last Guardian, that's like a running joke now. It was shown so long ago that I don't even care about it now and at this point, I doubt it ever gets released. I'm more curious as to what happened with Agent.
I'd say they're not concerned with EA, although watching a massive exclusive like Titanfall go to the Xbox One is probably a little unnerving. It's not like EA is going to suddenly go full on Xbox exclusive, so I don't see anything to be worried about.
I don't get what the whole online thing is about though. Does that just mean you can still play offline without Plus? I thought they already confirmed that.
The question was basically re: the GT TV interview that some said meant 3rd parties would just institute the same settings as XB1. Yoshida point blank said no. PS4 is the same as PS3. He said now some games are online only and specifically mentioned MMOs being the only exception.
Yes you can play any offline game anytime with or WITHOUT + or being connected to the internet.
Its the whole IOU v. CLW thing. Basically, he was confirming its CLW. A PS4 game will play offline if it has an offline component regardless of how the game was purchased.
So unless EA decides to take away offline play for NCAA/Madden etc... there will be 0% chance they can stop used games on PS4.
SCClassof93
06-12-2013, 08:56 AM
Yeah, you guys make swapping hard drives sound soooo easy. I tried it once and here is the result
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxepl4uqIB1qen75u.gif
Yeah, you guys make swapping hard drives sound soooo easy. I tried it once and here is the result
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxepl4uqIB1qen75u.gif
Well if I can pull it off on the PS3 anyone can. There is a youtube video that literally walks you through step by step.
GatorfanStovy
06-12-2013, 10:15 AM
OK so I pre ordered my ps4 off of Amazong tonight. Now It won't charge me until it is shipped right? Reason I ask is because i don't have the money right now but when time to ship it I will have the money.
JBHuskers
06-12-2013, 10:24 AM
OK so I pre ordered my ps4 off of Amazong tonight. Now It won't charge me until it is shipped right? Reason I ask is because i don't have the money right now but when time to ship it I will have the money.
Yep, not until it ships.
JBHuskers
06-12-2013, 10:24 AM
I wonder if you can disable the light bar on the controller. I'm sure you'll get used to it, but just curious.
I'd get him NBA 2k14, Madden 25, Drive Club (if he has decent internet), and Knack. Maybe Need For Speed: Rivals as well. Sadly, for an 11 year old, their initial launch games aren't the best.
Yeah I was trying to think what game didn't have cutting other people's heads off and/or shooting people in the face in it. Some of the shooters might be o.k. if its just explosions but its definitely a ZERO blood/guts household for the nephew.
When he came over I had to tell him which games he could and couldn't play on my PS3 and he listened.
I didn't think 2K and Madden 25 were going to be ready by Christmas but maybe I'm mistaken. My thoughts were Knack and Drive Club and maybe that other racing/car game thats multi-platform.
gschwendt
06-12-2013, 10:56 AM
Madden, FIFA, and NBA Live are all launch titles I believe.
morsdraconis
06-12-2013, 11:03 AM
Madden, FIFA, and NBA Live are all launch titles I believe.
According to Wikipedia's list of PS4 games, they will be.
Madden, FIFA, and NBA Live are all launch titles I believe.
wow that seems a little scary to me. watered down versions again? granted there is still 5 months left but that seems like a rush to me especially with very little detail given about features/gameplay on any of those titles.
JBHuskers
06-12-2013, 11:14 AM
wow that seems a little scary to me. watered down versions again? granted there is still 5 months left but that seems like a rush to me especially with very little detail given about features/gameplay on any of those titles.
There's a good chance that they've been in development longer than you think.
gschwendt
06-12-2013, 11:14 AM
wow that seems a little scary to me. watered down versions again? granted there is still 5 months left but that seems like a rush to me especially with very little detail given about features/gameplay on any of those titles.
Pretty sure Cam Weber went on record as saying that Madden will be full-featured... that probably means the same exact franchise mode as current gen but it will have those features available.
There's a good chance that they've been in development longer than you think.
I assume they have been working on them for years now. IMHO 14/25 for PS3 isn't much more than a roster update and a few small tweaks giving NCAA Madden's last year's physics so they have to be doing something over there. They also aren't hyping them at all leaving me to believe there will be a BIG PR push this fall for everyone to go pick up PS4/XB1 titles.
Pretty sure Cam Weber went on record as saying that Madden will be full-featured... that probably means the same exact franchise mode as current gen but it will have those features available.
Well that would be good to know. I had already planned on picking up PS4 Madden but only if there was at least the same franchise/owner mode as PS3 (and assuming no BS DRM). :nod:
GatorfanStovy
06-12-2013, 11:28 AM
I wonder if you can disable the light bar on the controller. I'm sure you'll get used to it, but just curious.
Yea that would be an issue in the night time . But maybe it an be turned off. We will have to wait and see. I'm super excited to get the ps4. I've been a long time PlayStation owner since the Ps1. I just can't pass the upgrade with it only 399$
gschwendt
06-12-2013, 11:40 AM
Well that would be good to know. I had already planned on picking up PS4 Madden but only if there was at least the same franchise/owner mode as PS3 (and assuming no BS DRM). :nod:
Here you go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cGiIo06o0Ls#t=475s
SCClassof93
06-12-2013, 11:43 AM
Here you go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cGiIo06o0Ls#t=475s
Hmmm, may have to get Madden for ps4 :nod:
JBHuskers
06-12-2013, 11:46 AM
Yea that would be an issue in the night time . But maybe it an be turned off. We will have to wait and see. I'm super excited to get the ps4. I've been a long time PlayStation owner since the Ps1. I just can't pass the upgrade with it only 399$
It doesn't seem as bright as the 360 light. Seems pretty dull with the cover on it. The 360 drove me nuts when the battery would be at half and that thing would constantly cycle.
skipwondah33
06-12-2013, 12:38 PM
I can't wait for the Black Friday videos of people stomping the shit out of each other trying to get a next gen console. I love them.
lol exactly
skipwondah33
06-12-2013, 12:39 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/gifs_02.gif?w=499&h=281
lol exactly
it's "funny" and "sad" all at the same time. my newphew likes video games but at 11 obviously doesn't follow it all that closely. he just likes the show; ncaa and nascar and few other games as well.
i could easily see him not bringing it up as a want item for christmas until the last minute. he didn't even have a christmas list thanksgiving until i finally lawyered it out of him. :nod:
parents will then scramble fights will ensue. i really don't want my mother getting mugged over a ps4 or out driving around all over earth trying to find one so i wanted to make sure she got it ordered and can avoid the chaos that is undoubtedly going to ensue.
skipwondah33
06-12-2013, 12:50 PM
Yeah it really is
Talking to my friends online, they think they will just be able to casually stroll in to buy one like they said they did for PS3. Well the PS3 was going for $600-$699. Alot of people were paying that, buit alot weren't. $399 people will definitely shell out for it
Yeah it really is
Talking to my friends online, they think they will just be able to casually stroll in to buy one like they said they did for PS3. Well the PS3 was going for $600-$699. Alot of people were paying that, buit alot weren't. $399 people will definitely shell out for it
You should tell your friends they are wrong. The impression the local Gamestop gave her was that they are basically going to be sold out for them at launch and don't know when/if/how many they are going to get after that.
I suppose it all depends on how well production is going.
I OU a Beatn
06-12-2013, 12:56 PM
The question was basically re: the GT TV interview that some said meant 3rd parties would just institute the same settings as XB1. Yoshida point blank said no. PS4 is the same as PS3. He said now some games are online only and specifically mentioned MMOs being the only exception.
Yes you can play any offline game anytime with or WITHOUT + or being connected to the internet.
Its the whole IOU v. CLW thing. Basically, he was confirming its CLW. A PS4 game will play offline if it has an offline component regardless of how the game was purchased.
So unless EA decides to take away offline play for NCAA/Madden etc... there will be 0% chance they can stop used games on PS4.
You're reading way too much into what Sony is saying about how their system is built. Let me ask you a question, if you're so convinced publishers wont be "allowed" to implement a serial code to lock the whole game and can't require at least an online check at the beginning of the game, why wont EA come right out and say no DRM? Online passes are gone, so why wont they say it?
I don't know how many different ways I can say this. Quit listening to Sony. When they speak about this stuff, they are ONLY talking about how they designed their console (no restrictions but open to publishers to decide) and how they will work with their first party studios (no online passes - but never mentioned anything else).
If publishers want to block offline play, they still can. I think you're putting all your eggs into the PR babble Sony is saying and ignoring the blatantly obvious facts that what they say isn't the entire story.
Absolutely ANYTHING they say about 3rd party publishers is horseshit because they've already said they're not going to dictate how they design their game.
skipwondah33
06-12-2013, 12:58 PM
You have Launch Edition.
To double-check, go to this page and select Launch Edition (http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-4-Launch-Edition/dp/B00BGA9WK2/ref=sr_tr_sr_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370999027&sr=8-1&keywords=playstation+4). At the top it should say "You purchased this item on June 10." You shouldn't see that when the Standard Edition is selected.
I've heard that some GameStop's are saying the XB1 will be out on 11/21 (expected based on website), but that they think the PS4 will be out before that as Sony is looking to undercut Microsoft in every way possible. I don't know how much stock I'd put in it, but that's what I have heard.
Based on this post and what others mentioned I'm good.
skipwondah33
06-12-2013, 01:01 PM
You should tell your friends they are wrong. The impression the local Gamestop gave her was that they are basically going to be sold out for them at launch and don't know when/if/how many they are going to get after that.
I suppose it all depends on how well production is going.That is my thinking. And they never can produce enough for the demand that it has. They make 1 million, demand will be for 3 million, etc
I can understand wanting or needing to hold off. But if you plan on getting one and don't think you have to pre-order. In the words of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1dnqKGuezo
You're reading way too much into what Sony is saying about how their system is built. Let me ask you a question, if you're so convinced publishers wont be "allowed" to implement a serial code to lock the whole game and can't require at least an online check at the beginning of the game, why wont EA come right out and say no DRM? Online passes are gone, so why wont they say it?
I don't know how many different ways I can say this. Quit listening to Sony. When they speak about this stuff, they are ONLY talking about how they designed their console (no restrictions but open to publishers to decide) and how they will work with their first party studios (no online passes - but never mentioned anything else).
If publishers want to block offline play, they still can. I think you're putting all your eggs into the PR babble Sony is saying and ignoring the blatantly obvious facts that what they say isn't the entire story.
Well this gets back to that whole disagreement you have about supply v. demand. I don't think a publisher is dumb enough to try what you are saying. The absolute reaction on the net has been positive to Sony's ("Just like PS3" policy). EA (some other publisher) does something like you are suggesting there will be an absolute shit storm on the net and sales will plummet on PS4.
I mean you have seen the reaction pro PS4 and anti XB1 since the policy was announced? Just imagine what happens when a publisher says nope you cannot trade this PS4 game in or play it used. People will freak the F out (unless the game is a "legit" online only type game - MMO).
IF you are right and EA does it with NCAA saying you have to be "always online" (by either eliminating all offline modes) or some dumb bs code blocking used games they lose me as a customer. I'll play other games and I'll enjoy the PR nightmare they will have inflicted upon themselves.
I OU a Beatn
06-12-2013, 01:07 PM
Well this gets back to that hole disagreement you have about supply v. demand. I don't think a publisher is dumb enough to try what you are saying. The absolute reaction on the net has been positive to Sony's ("Just like PS3" policy). EA (some other publisher) does something like you are suggesting there will be an absolute shit storm on the net and sales will plummet on PS4.
I mean you have seen the reaction pro PS4 and anti XB1 since the policy was announced? Just imagine what happens when a publisher says nope you cannot trade this PS4 game in or play it used. People will freak the F out (unless the game is a "legit" online only type game - MMO).
IF you are right and EA does it with NCAA saying you have to be "always online" (by either eliminating all offline modes) or some dumb bs code blocking used games they lose me as a customer. I'll play other games and I'll enjoy the PR nightmare they will have inflicted upon themselves.
I'm not saying they WILL. I'm saying they CAN. I think you're assuming that because they can, I think they will, and that's not the case. I do not know whether publishers will do this or not. I do, however, know that they have full capability to do so if they want to.
But, it's clear that EA at the very least, is looking over their options. Wasn't that the assumption you reached whenever you read that interview I posted? He absolutely would not come out and say anything about it, so you know it's definitely being considered.
I've seen the reaction on the internet, yes. I've also seen the Xbox One completely sell out in under 24 hours, so that tells me the people bitching are such a small portion of the potential consumer base that they should be ignored, quite frankly.
Now, will people freak out? Yes, but it still wont affect sales. People freaked out about the online pass and that didn't affect sales, either.
I doubt many games will go to the constantly required to connect thing, because that just seems dumb (and even Xbox One isn't doing that). However, I could see a one time use code that blocks the entire game until entered. It would work like the online pass now, only when you get to the main menu of the game, if you don't have the pass downloaded, you don't play at all. They truly wouldn't even need to do anything special, because it could be implemented just like an online pass. I'd say that's the most likely scenario IF they do it.
I OU a Beatn
06-12-2013, 01:16 PM
And honestly, CLW, I don't blame you for getting confused on it because Sony is being a bunch of douche rags with how they're stating things. This interview is the perfect example:
We've already come right out and said we're not going to allow online pass. And the word "allow" is key there. Specifically with online, with PS+ requiring a charge to play online, we would not want any publisher [to charge.]
In general, we're all businesses. Sony or Microsoft is never going to be able to tell EA or Activision exactly what they can do. What we like to say at PlayStation is that we set the precedent. The way we are approaching this is that we want this to be extremely consumer-friendly, extremely retailer-friendly, and extremely publisher-friendly. My personal opinion is that it's hard for me to believe that any major publisher is going to put an extra set of used DRM onto game titles because that wouldn't put them in a good spot, right?
Source (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/194150/Further_clarification_on_Sonys_DRM_policies_No_mor e_online_pass.php)
The bold part clearly says they're not going to allow any online passes (which is a joke because they have no control over it). Then, the very next words out of his mouth are "Sony will never be able to tell publishers like EA what to do." Uh, what the hell? Didn't he JUST say they weren't allowing online passes from anyone? But they also can't control publishers?
Absolutely the dumbest shit I've ever read in my life, and everyone at Sony that speaks about this does the same thing. It's really fucking annoying, to be honest.
The facts are this:
*Sony does not require a game to be registered on their system.
*Sony's first party studios will reportedly not use an online pass or anything similar.
*3rd Party publishers are allowed to implement online passes, full game passes, and if they so choose, are allowed to implement any other form of DRM that they want, whether that be online check at the start of the game, required online throughout the game, or whatever else.
Those are all 100% confirmed facts without the Sony PR babble.
SCClassof93
06-12-2013, 01:29 PM
Would you both drop this or at least stop talking past each other :deadhorse:
My personal opinion is that it's hard for me to believe that any major publisher is going to put an extra set of used DRM onto game titles because that wouldn't put them in a good spot, right?
This is basically my thoughts. Yes you are right. Theoretically, EA could come out and make me run a mile in under 5 minutes bench press 700 pounds enter in a 1 billion digit code that if not entered within 2 minutes self-destructs before allowing me to play Madden.
However, Sony's made it clear that DRM is wrong and they do not encourage it or support it through its hardware. IF EA (some other publisher) goes with the 5/700/1,000,000,000 challenge (or some other ridiculous DRM that isn't justified) I'm out and I'll laugh and post all the hilarious stuff on the net that bashes EA's reputation.
EDIT:
"it's just like PS3."
That's all I wanted. IF EA someone else institutes something I don't agree with I won't purchase their product but will have the ability to purchase products whose policies I agree with or at least accept.
"That's just something that we've always wanted to do," says Rohde. "It's not a plan that changed based on what Microsoft has been saying over the past month or two. It's just, 'Oh, I guess we should emphasize this now,' because it's a serious point of advantage for us. So let's have a little fun with it, basically."
that's interesting that (if you believe this) "just like PS3" was their plan and then MS' debacle turned it into a selling feature.
I OU a Beatn
06-12-2013, 01:40 PM
This is basically my thoughts. Yes you are right. Theoretically, EA could come out and make me run a mile in under 5 minutes bench press 700 pounds enter in a 1 billion digit code that if not entered within 2 minutes self-destructs before allowing me to play Madden.
However, Sony's made it clear that DRM is wrong and they do not encourage it or support it through its hardware. IF EA (some other publisher) goes with the 5/700/1,000,000,000 challenge (or some other ridiculous DRM that isn't justified) I'm out and I'll laugh and post all the hilarious stuff on the net that bashes EA's reputation.
Agreed on all counts. Just because they can, doesn't mean they should. That's up to them to decide. I've never let that stuff bother me, so I'd buy it anyway if it was any good.
I was kind of holding out hope that publishers wouldn't do it, but after reading that Peter Moore interview yesterday, I know they're at least considering it. It'll be kind of funny to see if publishers are willing to try it and if so, which publisher shoots first.
SCClassof93
06-12-2013, 01:41 PM
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Agreed on all counts. Just because they can, doesn't mean they [will]. That's up to them to decide. I've never let that stuff bother me, so I'd buy it anyway if it was any good.
I was kind of holding out hope that publishers wouldn't do it, but after reading that Peter Moore interview yesterday, I know they're at least considering it. It'll be kind of funny to see if publishers are willing to try it and if so, which publisher shoots first.
Oh its CLEAR AS DAY to me EA was NOT happy with Sony's conference. They have PR problems as it is and Sony sticking up for its consumers is just going to DESTROY EA's reputation with allot of gamers when they go back on their no more online pass promise.
I'll be clear I will still buy the games if they are EXACTLY the same DRM wise as before (online pass). But EA puts the entire game behind a wall or some other tech crap and I'm out.
I don't think we are disagreeing on the actual facts right now re: PS4. I think the disagreement comes on how likely EA is to try to "pull something" DRM wise on PS4.
I think you are pretty convinced they probably will. I'm pretty convinced they won't or at least can't w/o suffering a huge blowback from some consumers. EA has to make a choice and its a choice they wanted someone else to make for them.
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Meh I enjoy disagreeing/debating w/o being disagreeable. IOU and I haven't called each other a [CENSORED] or used any other profanities 18 times per post during our "debate".
I think its actually going to be interesting to see b/c IOU and I have been debating this issue pretty regularly re: whether a publisher can or cannot do this and not see a drop in sales. I wanted the opportunity to see a result and we might just get to see who was actually correct if EA has the guts to do what they wanted all along.
JBHuskers
06-12-2013, 01:48 PM
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I OU a Beatn
06-12-2013, 01:52 PM
I don't think our DRM talk is welcomed anymore, CLW. :D
I don't think our DRM talk is welcomed anymore, CLW. :D
:smh: I'm still trying to figure out how to share PS4 games though this instructional video is really difficult to follow. :nod:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA
Maybe you can explain it to me. :nod:
SCClassof93
06-12-2013, 01:58 PM
Meh I enjoy disagreeing/debating w/o being disagreeable. IOU and I haven't called each other a [CENSORED] or used any other profanities 18 times per post during our "debate".
I think its actually going to be interesting to see b/c IOU and I have been debating this issue pretty regularly re: whether a publisher can or cannot do this and not see a drop in sales. I wanted the opportunity to see a result and we might just get to see who was actually correct if EA has the guts to do what they wanted all along.
Look you have been in agreement for days. MS has not forbade used games but has made them a pain in the butt. PS4 won't forbade used games but nowhere has said third parties will have to agree. As I see it MS has stepped into the role of "dick" by protecting the "dicks", something PS did not do. I agree with the Sony model of business, give me choices and let businesses compete for my $$$. Sadly imho many will so have to play a game they will jump through all sorts of hoops to do so. This will aid in "dickish" business practices. None of us know the future but I do hope there are enough that will push back even to the point of not playing (go outside, read, anything) video games. If they all go this route that MS has set forth, I am out. I do have hope in the free market however to make informed choices.
I remember divx, brought to you by "dickish" and deceased Circuit City.
SCClassof93
06-12-2013, 01:58 PM
I don't think our DRM talk is welcomed anymore, CLW. :D
Nah, just Gators ;)
SCClassof93
06-12-2013, 01:59 PM
:smh: I'm still trying to figure out how to share PS4 games though this instructional video is really difficult to follow. :nod:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA
Maybe you can explain it to me. :nod:
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Deuce
06-12-2013, 02:10 PM
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Pure gold!
Typed by thumbs.
For whatever it is worth PS4 "launch" edition remains #1 and "standard" edition is #3
XB1 "Day 1" is #2 and "standard" is #5.
So at least on Amazon Sony is out to some form of a lead in the US.
Interesting the PS4 games are also selling better than XB1 games
http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=zg_bs_unv_vg_1_6427871011_2#1
Kingpin32
06-12-2013, 02:57 PM
So when does everybody think the "Holiday Season" start? I think they might reveal a set date at TGS.
Oneback
06-12-2013, 03:04 PM
I'm thinking late October, early November. I'll almost guarantee its out before Black Friday.
JBHuskers
06-12-2013, 03:12 PM
So when does everybody think the "Holiday Season" start? I think they might reveal a set date at TGS.
I'm thinking late October, early November. I'll almost guarantee its out before Black Friday.
This. Late October.
I OU a Beatn
06-12-2013, 03:19 PM
Yep, last 2 weeks of October or first 2 weeks of November. Somewhere in between there probably.
Kingpin32
06-12-2013, 03:23 PM
I'm thinking late October, early November. I'll almost guarantee its out before Black Friday.
This is what I've been thinking. Their previous systems always came out right around the November month if I recall correctly. I think they're gonna want to give consumers time to get it before Christmas
I bet Sony announces last to try to undercut MS again. Will MS be smart enough to not get undercut again?
GatorfanStovy
06-12-2013, 04:31 PM
MS is dumb. What Sony up to next may I ask? I haven't been wathing e3 at all ..
Watching a REALLY addictive looking Indy game right now on Sony's UStream. It's a 1 v 1 game where you are basically on a pole vault and there is a tether ball you try to get past your opponent.
GatorfanStovy
06-12-2013, 07:22 PM
That's an old school game called tether ball. Used play back in grade school.
That's an old school game called tether ball. Used play back in grade school.
No this is different but has a similar concept to the tether ball game you played back in the day. Hard to describe other than its a combo of tether ball / pole vault game where the object is to score goals by hitting your opponent's target at the end of the screen.
The headset is comparable to the kind you'd find bundled with a smartphone, featuring a single earbud with an inline microphone and a clip for attaching it to your shirt. Presumably, this means players should be able to use just about any standard three-pole headset with the system.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/e3-2013-sonys-playstation-4-accessories-on-display
Does this mean my Astros will work with no adapter?
Kingpin32
06-12-2013, 07:45 PM
The headset is comparable to the kind you'd find bundled with a smartphone, featuring a single earbud with an inline microphone and a clip for attaching it to your shirt. Presumably, this means players should be able to use just about any standard three-pole headset with the system.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/e3-2013-sonys-playstation-4-accessories-on-display
Does this mean my Astros will work with no adapter?
I wonder if you can use any type of headset with it. Like some iPhone headphones.
I OU a Beatn
06-12-2013, 08:07 PM
The headset is comparable to the kind you'd find bundled with a smartphone, featuring a single earbud with an inline microphone and a clip for attaching it to your shirt. Presumably, this means players should be able to use just about any standard three-pole headset with the system.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/e3-2013-sonys-playstation-4-accessories-on-display
Does this mean my Astros will work with no adapter?
Yes, your headset should have come with the necessary adapter for that. Pretty nifty. It still might not work correctly, but that leads me to believe it will.
I wonder if you can use any type of headset with it. Like some iPhone headphones.
In theory, you should be able to.
GatorfanStovy
06-12-2013, 08:40 PM
No this is different but has a similar concept to the tether ball game you played back in the day. Hard to describe other than its a combo of tether ball / pole vault game where the object is to score goals by hitting your opponent's target at the end of the screen.
Oh Ok oh well.
PS4 Publishers decide whether Free to Play requires PS+. Sony has also confirmed its own 1st party MMOs will not require PS+.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/ps4-publishers-decide-if-free-to-play-needs-ps-plus
skipwondah33
06-13-2013, 07:08 AM
Amazon being Amazon and amazing
Sent me email confirming I had ordered a Launch Edition PS4
Amazon being Amazon and amazing
Sent me email confirming I had ordered a Launch Edition PS4
yep got one too
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Dear Amazon.com Customer,
Thank you for pre-ordering the PlayStation 4. Yesterday we made a change to the name of the product by adding "Launch" and "Standard" editions, which may have caused confusion for some of our customers.
We are writing to confirm that you ordered the "Launch Edition," which is Release-Day Delivery eligible. All other aspects of the two editions are identical.
You do not need to take any action or make any changes to your current order.
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/email/s.gif
morsdraconis
06-13-2013, 08:00 AM
Yeah. Same here.
gschwendt
06-13-2013, 08:08 AM
Same here and I ordered mine the next morning.
AustinWolv
06-13-2013, 08:08 AM
So PS4, so far, is more like a game console without the restrictions on used games and such that XB1 has?
SCClassof93
06-13-2013, 08:09 AM
Still has me at "standard"
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JBHuskers
06-13-2013, 08:17 AM
Okay so Amazon e-mails me today saying my pre-order of Battlefield 4 for PS4 has the release date changed to October 29th. Wonder if that is confirmation that the PS4 will be released on or before that?
Deuce
06-13-2013, 08:19 AM
Amazon being Amazon and amazing
Sent me email confirming I had ordered a Launch Edition PS4
Me too.
Poor SC! :(
Typed by thumbs.
morsdraconis
06-13-2013, 08:26 AM
Okay so Amazon e-mails me today saying my pre-order of Battlefield 4 for PS4 has the release date changed to October 29th. Wonder if that is confirmation that the PS4 will be released on or before that?
Interesting.... I've pre-ordered just The Order 1886 and Killzone: Shadow Fall so far and nothing from either of those yet (still at December 29th for release date).
SCClassof93
06-13-2013, 08:27 AM
Me too.
Poor SC! :(
Typed by thumbs.
Poor Amazon if I get it on release day elsewhere :nod:
Poor Amazon if I get it on release day elsewhere :nod:
You gonna fight the mobs of Montana for a PS4?
SCClassof93
06-13-2013, 09:09 AM
You gonna fight the mobs of Montana for a PS4?
Mobs? I moved here for the scenery and lack of population density. On the downside I now know where all of the "people of Wal-Mart" pics come from :D
steelerfan
06-13-2013, 09:24 AM
On the downside I now know where all of the "people of Wal-Mart" pics come from :D
:D I always figured they were from Arkansas.
I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.
SCClassof93
06-13-2013, 09:32 AM
:D I always figured they were from Arkansas.
I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.
Common misconception, you must have camera, internet etc first :D
SmoothPancakes
06-13-2013, 09:53 AM
:D I always figured they were from Arkansas.
I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.
Yeah, Arkansas, Alabama and Mississippi were my top 3 guesses. Never thought of Montana.
ryby6969
06-13-2013, 10:16 AM
Do not sleep on Florida!! :D
SCClassof93
06-13-2013, 10:18 AM
Yeah, Arkansas, Alabama and Mississippi were my top 3 guesses. Never thought of Montana.
You do live in Ohio?:D
SCClassof93
06-13-2013, 10:18 AM
Do not sleep on Florida!! :D
We are discussing the English speaking people of Wal-Mart :D
ryby6969
06-13-2013, 10:19 AM
We are discussing the English speaking people of Wal-Mart :D
I do not believe you realize the amount of white trash present in the state of Florida.
SCClassof93
06-13-2013, 10:31 AM
I do not believe you realize the amount of white trash present in the state of Florida.
Used to have property in Oviedo, well aware of the average Gator grad ;)
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