PlayStation 4 - November 15, 2013

[texacotea]

I am never looking at my controller when I play so I do not see how this will help/hurt me. Cool idea, but not sure it will be useful for me.

but they could been seen from your periphial while playing

[JBHuskers]

but they could been seen from your periphial while playing

:+1: ;)

[CLW]

Now talking about the PS4 hard drive, Yoshida said it is Sony's "dream" that gamers will fill up their hard drives, though he won't comment on whether or not interchangeable storage will be available.

Come on Yoshida put me out of my misery or make my day.

[JBHuskers]

Come on Yoshida put me out of my misery or make my day.

:+1:

[GatorfanStovy]

I guess we all have to wait to for June to come around for E3 but we all should of known not much was gonna be revealed on Wed. Such a waist of an event though.

I'm not sure if I am gonna like the touch pad or not its hard to say for know. It looks cool but I just don't know.

[oweb26]

They sure aren't talking about alot!! This is my only gripe with all this.

Just as a side bar ...if this was a thread I am sure the phrase "pictures or GTFO" would have come up by now. LOL

What I am wondering is some of these major features available at launch or will they become available two years later like Sony and Microsoft are both known to do.

[cdj]

Sony hoping to be flexible with pricing (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/21/sony-flexible-on-playstation-4-cost?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social):

When asked if the company was prepared to compete with other consoles and hit a more favorable price, Yoshida said that Sony's decisions to use custom AMD hardware instead of its own proprietary Cell architecture has allowed it to save on R&D and production costs.

"The architecture choice we have made this time around has allowed us not to invest to create dedicated factories and conducting factories and things like that — so that helps in order for us to provide an affordable price to consumers."

While Sony has yet to offer a sense of what the system will cost, it seems as though the company understands that with the advent of gaming-capable sub-$200 smartphones and tablets, consumers are more cost-conscious than ever.

[cdj]

- Eurogamer: PS4 spec analysis (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-spec-analysis-playstation-4)

- Polygon: PS4 may support existing digital purchases through cloud (http://www.polygon.com/2013/2/21/4013130/ps4-psn-backwards-compatibility-gaikai-cloud)

- Gamasutra: Q&A with Shuhei Yoshida (http://gamasutra.com/view/news/187093/QA_What_does_Sonys_most_open_console_promise_mean. php#.USZYK6U_DyB)

[JBHuskers]

When asked if the aforementioned "cloud services" could work with your existing PSN library, recognizing your previous purchases and making those experiences available on the otherwise-incompatible PS4, Yoshida said, "We could do so if we choose to. We know who purchased what as a record. But we are working on service plans and we haven't decided."


To me that means, if you have PS+, you're going to be able to stream past purchases.

[I OU a Beatn]

That would be lame as hell. "Oh hey, you spent $1000 or so on these games, but uh, pay us $50 a year(or however much they're going to charge for it this time around) and we'll let you stream those games." :smh:

[morsdraconis]

That would be lame as hell. "Oh hey, you spent $1000 or so on these games, but uh, pay us $50 a year(or however much they're going to charge for it this time around) and we'll let you stream those games." :smh:

:fp:

PSN isn't going to be free. With all the shit that they're making available through it now, there's no fuckin' way it's gonna be free anymore.

So, EVERYONE that has a PS4 will have streaming access to their old content. Don't want to pay $50 a year for that content? Fine. Go pay $40 a year to most likely not have access to your old stuff on Microsoft's service.

[I OU a Beatn]

I can almost guarantee you PSN will be free. That's their whole thing over Microsoft. Online gaming is free. I'm pretty sure they even confirmed it in one of the articles I read yesterday. Will they have a premium service with optional features? Well yeah, but the main portion of it will almost certainly be free.

Your last paragraph makes no sense whatsoever. Why should I have to pay a fee just to access the games I already paid for? That's like buying a house outright and then making payments on it again. I certainly wouldn't pay $50 a year(or any amount) to access my arcade titles I bought on the PS3, and I'm sure as hell not going to pay $50 a year(or any amount) to access the games I already bought on 360, either. Why would I condone Microsoft doing it when I'm clearly against Sony doing it? :D

[GatorfanStovy]

Man June just cant soon enough though. I'll be away sadly by then hopefully ( enlisting ) So oh well. Y'all know its going to be a long summer waiting on the ps4. I just hope the Madden and NCAA also MLB games advanced way more then they are now. It would be sweet to see move control in football next or some how implant the move with all the positions in football and baseball etc.

[JBHuskers]

I think online gaming on the PSN will always be free. It's the extra things like streaming for backwards compatibilty that will be PS+ things. Since I've been a happy PS+ member since day one, my cost isn't going to go up on it.

[CLW]

I can almost guarantee you PSN will be free. That's their whole thing over Microsoft. Online gaming is free. I'm pretty sure they even confirmed it in one of the articles I read yesterday. Will they have a premium service with optional features? Well yeah, but the main portion of it will almost certainly be free.

Your last paragraph makes no sense whatsoever. Why should I have to pay a fee just to access the games I already paid for? That's like buying a house outright and then making payments on it again. I certainly wouldn't pay $50 a year(or any amount) to access my arcade titles I bought on the PS3, and I'm sure as hell not going to pay $50 a year(or any amount) to access the games I already bought on 360, either. Why would I condone Microsoft doing it when I'm clearly against Sony doing it? :D

Not to poke a whole in your argument but you would still have to pay taxes to the government for your house/land but your right I see the same tiered approach a limited "free" PSN and the one with all of these cool bells and whistles being PS+ or whatever they want to call it.

[steelerfan]

Poke a "whole"??

As opposed to what? Just the tip? :D

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[SmoothPancakes]

Following up on IOUs post, here is the full Eurogamer interview with Yoshida. (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-the-big-interview-sonys-shuhei-yoshida-on-ps4)

- Being 'always connected online' is not required, but recommended.
- Goal is to have firmware download in background so users do not have to wait to play. (Similar to PS+ autodownloads.)

More 'highlights' below:

I understand the whole exclusivity stuff because you're trying to get people buy the game on your console over other consoles, but I seriously hate that shit. Nothing like fucking over half the gaming world with exclusive features or DLC for games not being released on both systems. Time-based exclusivity is bad enough, even worse is permanent exclusivity. Now I'm paying the same price as those on the other console, but not getting the same shit. This exclusivity shit needs to die. Put out the same game with the same features and let the public decide with their wallets which system they want to buy it for.


Come on Yoshida put me out of my misery or make my day.

I'd still be surprised if they let the individual switch it out freely. MS has been charging crazy prices for the high amount hard drives on 360, and people are still buying because it's the only option for larger drives. Sony is missing out on so much money. Between the drives and other things they don't do that MS does, Sony is missing out on boatloads of money.

[CLW]

Replay of the entire event:


http://youtu.be/RiNGZMx2vhY

[GatorfanStovy]

Sweet I will have to watch that later. See what I missed.

[CLW]

On why no viewing of console:


You know, that’s really interesting. I’ve heard that from multiple reporters and shame on me that I didn’t see that as a big issue. They’ll see it soon enough. I’m real proud of the fact that we’re talking about [launching in] holiday 2013 and we’ve already got a lot of detail out there, and a lot of game play, in February. But I was so focused on the content that when I think of the console I think of what comes through the screen, not the device that it emanates from. I just think there’s a lot of natural curiosity: What’s the controller gonna look like? What’s the box gonna look like? We made a conscious decision that wasn’t going to be a part of the first reveal, but I would look for E3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Entertainment_Expo) as a time when you’ll get a good look at it. Or sooner.

Other interesting quotes:


If you wanna have an event to talk about multimedia capabilities, we’ll proudly stand up and list all the media partners that we have, and the fact that we’re the number one most used Netflix device around the world. But the 3.1 million people that streamed [Wednesday's event] and that stayed up at all hours depending on what country they were in, they were there to see games. People that want to hear about multimedia applications don’t stay up until 4:00 in the morning to see presentations. We know that the people who were watching were gamers. We know that the people that are the primary purchasers of our boxes are gamers, and that is the audience that we cater to first and foremost.
But I will stack up our non-game services with any competitor out there. I think we’re gonna have more than our fair share of great content outside of the gaming world. And I think the other really unique opportunity with this is there’s always been limitations. You know, game development costs so much, which means that games have to retail for sixty dollars, which means people have to cater to the masses and the number of genres that can be introduced needs to be fairly narrow. Now with machines like PlayStation 4 you can have free to play games, you can have 99 cent games, you can have indie developers selling $9.99 digital games. So it’s no longer the case that if you don’t have a 150 person team and you don’t have a $50 million budget, don’t bother making a game. I think the opportunity in the living room on the console is greater than it’s ever been. It’s a real renaissance in gaming.


Well, it’s all there. It’s the ability to stream your Netflix and your Hulu and your MLB.TV and your NHL and your NFL Sunday Ticket. It’s the ability to get Video Unlimited and Music Unlimited and the ability to have a Blu Ray Player built into it, and to stream any form of digital or disc based entertainment. I still think that’s a very big part of the equation. But I don’t think the future of PlayStation 4 and our success is gonna be determined by selling it as a non-game device.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidewalt/2013/02/21/sony-playstation-4-jack-tretton/

[bdoughty]

The whole Other Video games forum has tuned into a Sony Bukkake party, without the girl (as there has been no console shown or a price for cripes sake).

Wee more new threads

Pricing - TBA
What the heck it looks like - TBA
Online Pricing - TBA
Madden 25 TBA - TBA
FIFA 14 TBA - TBA
NBA Live TBA - To Be Cancelled Again

[morsdraconis]

The whole Other Video games forum has tuned into a Sony Bukkake party, without the girl (as there has been no console shown or a price for cripes sake).

Wee more new threads

Pricing - TBA
What the heck it looks like - TBA
Online Pricing - TBA
Madden 25 TBA - TBA
FIFA 14 TBA - TBA
NBA Live TBA - To Be Cancelled Again

Don't let that fanboy bleed through or anything. :smh:

[bdoughty]

Don't let that fanboy bleed through or anything. :smh:

i owned two PS3's and even Wii for a very short time. Uncharted series is one of my favorites. Next?

[CLW]

The whole Other Video games forum has tuned into a Sony Bukkake party, without the girl (as there has been no console shown or a price for cripes sake).

Wee more new threads

Pricing - TBA
What the heck it looks like - TBA
Online Pricing - TBA
Madden 25 TBA - TBA
FIFA 14 TBA - TBA
NBA Live TBA - To Be Cancelled Again

It's literally the only news going on in "Other Video Games" right now. When MS announces the 720 I fully expect the 1st page to be nothing but 720 related threads.

What you are doing is the equivalent of a political party griping about all the news coverage being about the other side during the other side's national convention. Complain all you want but it is what it is.

[Rudy]

Do developers pay a smaller fee for releasing games in "launch windows"? For all the complaining over Wii U sales I think people forget how long it takes to build up a userbase with the high initial prices of new consoles. There just aren't many people out there to buy that first set of games. I would have to think it's awful hard to make money on those first generation titles.

[SmoothPancakes]

Do developers pay a smaller fee for releasing games in "launch windows"? For all the complaining over Wii U sales I think people forget how long it takes to build up a userbase with the high initial prices of new consoles. There just aren't many people out there to buy that first set of games. I would have to think it's awful hard to make money on those first generation titles.

This. There is NO WAY in hell I would touch NCAA or Madden in the first release (even second release, maybe longer) on the PS4/720, after the crap that was the first couple games this generation. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[CLW]

This. There is NO WAY in hell I would touch NCAA or Madden in the first release (even second release, maybe longer) on the PS4/720, after the crap that was the first couple games this generation. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Yeah EA is really going to have to step its game up b/c as amazing as the other games look I could honestly see myself saying good bye to NCAA/Madden and get my gaming fix w/o American football. I'd probably give FIFA in year one. The bonus hopefully this time is everyone can try it before they buy it if they want with the "trial" thing discussed via stream/download.

[I OU a Beatn]

It's literally the only news going on in "Other Video Games" right now. When MS announces the 720 I fully expect the 1st page to be nothing but 720 related threads.

Don't bet on it. With Microsoft's recent obsession with the casual market, it would not shock me one bit if the only exclusive core game they announced was a new Halo.

[steelerfan]

FIFA 14 on PS4? That might get my attention, but I'll lean towards waiting for FIFA 15.

That said, I have a feeling that this generation is going to go much better than the current one. Mistakes were made and lessons were learned. Hopefully this will mean very good things are ahead for sports gamers. We'll see.

To be clear, I don't have doubts that FIFA 14 would be strong on PS4, it's just whether it's strong enough to get me to buy the system and a game that I'll already own on PS3.

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[cdj]

On pricing, Tretton said that the PS4 is "designed with the game developer in mind and the consumer in mind," and will offer games with prices ranging from $0.99 to the more traditional $60 range with the ability for players to sample games before they buy. (http://www.cnbc.com/id/100480852)

[JBHuskers]

This. There is NO WAY in hell I would touch NCAA or Madden in the first release (even second release, maybe longer) on the PS4/720, after the crap that was the first couple games this generation. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Well considering the architecture of the PS4 is a lot easier to work with, we may be surprised with how the product turns out. Not holding my breath after the first titles of Gen3, but not going to completely write it off either.

[JBHuskers]

On pricing, Tretton said that the PS4 is "designed with the game developer in mind and the consumer in mind," and will offer games with prices ranging from $0.99 to the more traditional $60 range with the ability for players to sample games before they buy. (http://www.cnbc.com/id/100480852)

That will ease the fears of those jumping all over the $99 placeholder :D

[I OU a Beatn]

Well considering the architecture of the PS4 is a lot easier to work with, we may be surprised with how the product turns out. Not holding my breath after the first titles of Gen3, but not going to completely write it off either.

The 360 was praised for it's ease of development, didn't seem to help NCAA or Madden. Honestly, my expectations are at an all time low, so it's not going to bum me out if it's bad. If you ask me what my biggest disappointment was the generation, it's easily football games. I didn't have a single damn one that I can say I actually enjoyed.


That will ease the fears of those jumping all over the $99 placeholder :D

It shouldn't have even been needed. Amazon came right out and said "Your first #PS4 title is now up for pre-order. #Watch_Dogs. Pricing & release date are placeholders. More info soon."

I hope they release this thing right around Black Friday. I absolutely CAN NOT WAIT for the fighting videos on YT. I'll order mine on Amazon the second it goes up...no way in hell I'm going anywhere in public to pick it up. :D

[Rudy]

This. There is NO WAY in hell I would touch NCAA or Madden in the first release (even second release, maybe longer) on the PS4/720, after the crap that was the first couple games this generation. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

1000% agree. EA has generally been horrible in their transition to new consoles and their football games this gen take the cake. They ruined the NBA Live series when they transitioned to the PS2 and Live never recovered until 2K stole the market. I remember how bad NHL was in its first year on the PS2. Madden/NCAA was actually pretty decent on the PS2 right away but terrible on the PS3 conversion.

I hope they learned their lesson and don't come out with feature-less games on the PS4 that are nothing more than eye candy with lousy gameplay. I will not trust EA to get it right at the beginning.

[CLW]

lmfao I really do NOT get why the big deal is being made about what the console looks like:


​the company was more concerned with what comes out of the box, not what it looks like. I can promise you that it will be plastic, it won't be triangle shaped or round.

[JBHuskers]

lmfao I really do NOT get why the big deal is being made about what the console looks like:

I think that was more MS fanboys looking for some point to stick to and rail the presentation.

[morsdraconis]

I think that was more MS fanboys looking for some point to stick to and rail the presentation.

:+1: x :infinity:

[GatorfanStovy]

I'm more excited about the ps4 after watching 50% of the video or so. It should be a fun great system. i just hope that the football games really improve next year. MLB the show will be awesome next season too. I just better start saving my pennies for this bad boy of the ps4 now!

[I OU a Beatn]

I think that was more MS fanboys looking for some point to stick to and rail the presentation.

Fan boys of anything console are just annoying as hell to me. I can't even read the comments section on sites like N4G anymore.

I personally was a little peeved they didn't show the thing, but it's certainly not a major deal. The last I checked, you buy a console to play games, not to have a nice looking box displayed beneath your TV.

[JBHuskers]

Fan boys of anything console are just annoying as hell to me. I can't even read the comments section on sites like N4G anymore.

I personally was a little peeved they didn't show the thing, but it's certainly not a major deal. The last I checked, you buy a console to play games, not to have a nice looking box displayed beneath your TV.

:nod:

[xMrHitStickx904]

I fully expect that we won't see EA Sports titles until the year 2014, maybe 15, so NCAA 15/16, Madden 15/16, FIFA 15/16 etc. & I'm just fine with that actually. Madden 06, Madden 07, NCAA 07/08 were the worst versions of those titles I've ever played. Graphically, gameplay wise, adjustment features etc., I don't understand how anybody enjoyed those games. To me, it all depends if devs will start from scratch again, or will they port the game over, then make changes graphically, and engine wise. If they do that, then there's a chance the games will be fairly decent initially. I have more faith that FIFA 15 on the PS4 will be good over Madden & NCAA being good.

[gschwendt]

I bet like the 360 launch, you'll see a Madden 14 but not NCAA14. That said, I imagine they learned from their lesson on the last console transition so rather than start from scratch, they'll go the route that 2K & The Show went... the first version won't be astronomically better but it will be better than it's previous-gen counterpart. Then they'll continue to improve from year to year.

So for NCAA15, not all of the stadiums will be improved but the player models will be improved, sidelines will be interactive (or at least improved), rosters expanded, etc. That's 100% a guess.

[JBHuskers]

The key thing is the graphics are not a gigantic overhaul, but the amount you can do is what has astronomically increased. To me, that seems like good news when moving over to the PS4 and the next XBOX.

[morsdraconis]

The key thing is the graphics are not a gigantic overhaul, but the amount you can do is what has astronomically increased. To me, that seems like good news when moving over to the PS4 and the next XBOX.

Well, depending on the graphics card that they go with in the PS4, it could be either a HUGE leap in graphical ability or it could be a semi-large leap in graphical ability. Along with 8 gigs of RAM, it's a pretty big jump in technological horsepower compared to the PS3's generation leading tech.

[bdoughty]

I bet like the 360 launch, you'll see a Madden 14 but not NCAA14. That said, I imagine they learned from their lesson on the last console transition so rather than start from scratch, they'll go the route that 2K & The Show went... the first version won't be astronomically better but it will be better than it's previous-gen counterpart. Then they'll continue to improve from year to year.

So for NCAA15, not all of the stadiums will be improved but the player models will be improved, sidelines will be interactive (or at least improved), rosters expanded, etc. That's 100% a guess.

And if we are really lucky, by NCAA 18 they will have the chain gang in. ;) Someone at EA needs to hire the guy who was in charge of interactive sidelines for APF 2k8.

[Rudy]

The PS4 will have more horsepower but what will EA do with it? They had plenty of horsepower in the current gen and yet the DL play is still worse than 2K4 on the PS2. Truly EA's football games problems are 95% programmer issues and not hardware problems. They don't know how to code things to work right. The cpu QB AI is still terrible. CPU offenses are dumb in both games, especially NCAA where they do a very poor job of running the non pro-style offenses. This past Madden game saw some atrocious late game AI management I have ever seen, probably worse than any football game produced on a PS2. That has NOTHING to do with hardware and horsepower.

[cdj]

The PS4 was listed as available briefly on Amazon earlier tonight (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BGA9WK2/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00BGA9WK2&linkCode=as2&tag=thegamtai-20) - for $1000 with a release date of March 31, 2020, clearly placeholder info.

pastapadre (lucky bastard!) was among those able to add it to his cart and last I saw on Twitter, it was still in his account history.

Remember, with Amazon they will give you the lowest price so if his order is good (and not wiped out due to the listing being a 'bug') he would receive it at the MSRP/lowest Amazon price (whatever that ends up being). Anyone interested may want to bookmark the link above and keep checking periodically.

[I OU a Beatn]

Yeah, I missed it by about 2 minutes. It'll be back up, so it's not the end of the world. You can set Amazon to alert you via email when it comes in stock, but they take forever, so it's probably best to just refresh that page like you said.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/Mq6_wTQqygk

[cdj]

PS4 could allow multiple subscription levels (http://www.gamespot.com/news/ps4-could-allow-multiple-subscription-levels-6404401)

The PlayStation 4 could offer gamers multiple subscription levels, Sony president of Worldwide Studios Shuhei Yoshida told The Guardian. The executive said that because services and content have become available digitally, Sony is in a position to act like a traditional cable TV company and offer multiple membership tiers.

"As more and more services and contents become available digitally, we'll have more of an option to create attractive packages. So hypothetically we can look at different models--like a cable TV company," Yoshida said.

"We could have gold, silver or platinum levels of membership, something like that. We can do subscription services when we have more content--especially now that we have the Gaikai technology available," he added. "With one subscription you have access to thousands of games--that's our dream.

"We're shifting our platform more and more to the digital side--PS4 will be similar to PS Vita in that every game will be available as a digital download, and some will also be available as a disc," he said. "The Witness will be a digital release and because of the flexibility of the digital distribution scheme, we can have more small games that might be free or available for a couple of dollars, or different services like free-to-play or subscription models."

[oweb26]

:fp: Wrong thread

[CLW]

Yeah that is sort of what I envisioned. Basic PSN = free. Pay for "+" which could end up being "+" "++" etc...

[JBHuskers]

Sony patent would combat piracy by comparing load times (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/23/sony-patent-would-combat-piracy-by-comparing-load-times/)

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2013/02/sony-load-time-patent.jpg

[souljahbill]

So stupid. Sony should be trying to eliminate load times, using load times as a tool.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/C4PcMzTlYpk

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/p6Lm4_eMTGo

[JBHuskers]

:D brilliant.

[cdj]

Electronic Arts believes the arrival of next-generation consoles will be a watershed moment for the gaming industry. Speaking today during the Morgan Stanley Technology, Media, and Telecom Conference, EA chief technology officer Rajat Taneja said the new wave of consoles will usher in a new era of gaming.

"The console technology itself is a gigantic leap for our industry," Taneja said. "Any which way you look at the specifications, it is step function over what exists today. The new consoles are between 8 and 10 times the power of the current generation."

Taneja said EA is well-positioned to succeed when the PlayStation 4--and the rumored Xbox 720--arrive for three reasons. The first of which is that gamers simply will not be able to stay away, due in part to the advanced capabilities of these new machines.

"First, we no longer have to constrain our games or ration graphics or memory or bandwidth. We can let the games really flourish. 1080p, 60 frames per second, character physics on a much broader canvas, color saturation, lighting, particle effects; it will be a level of gameplay experience that is unprecedented, not been imagined before," he said. "It's going to create playing conditions for our gamers that are just going to be phenomenal."

The second reason Taneja said he believes EA will succeed on future-generation platforms is due to the company's existing technology smoothly scaling to the new systems.

"The architecture of the consoles is based on standard PC components and technology. So our own investment in our backend engine…and our libraries, our tools, will very smoothly run on these and make it easier for us to innovate to the new console technologies themselves," he said. "What used to take months in the past, will now take days."

Courtesy: GameSpot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/next-gen-consoles-will-offer-unprecedented-gameplay-says-ea-6404529)

[Deuce]

That sounds great and all but the proof will be in the pudding. Ill be taking a wait and see approach this time. I sold my ps2 and bought NCAA as soon as it came out on the 360. ...we know how that turned out. I have played 13 longer than any other version of the game...even 2004 which was my favorite. I don't think 13 is better than 04 but I have definitely played 13 longer. Just won the NC in year 2021 in my offline dynasty for the first time. ...somehow I ended ranked #2 behind Auburn who I beat in the NC game. :fp:
I just hope we don't see that huge step backward like last time. :fingers crossed:

[CLW]

That sounds great and all but the proof will be in the pudding. Ill be taking a wait and see approach this time. I sold my ps2 and bought NCAA as soon as it came out on the 360. ...we know how that turned out. I have played 13 longer than any other version of the game...even 2004 which was my favorite. I don't think 13 is better than 04 but I have definitely played 13 longer. Just won the NC in year 2021 in my offline dynasty for the first time. ...somehow I ended ranked #2 behind Auburn who I beat in the NC game. :fp:
I just hope we don't see that huge step backward like last time. :fingers crossed:

Yeah we shall see. It's funny to me that this same "spin" was what was claimed when the PS3 and 360 were announced. It's also interesting that most of the other gaming sites said the capabilities were better but not a "giant" step forward like EA is claiming.

[JBHuskers]

Yeah we shall see. It's funny to me that this same "spin" was what was claimed when the PS3 and 360 were announced. It's also interesting that most of the other gaming sites said the capabilities were better but not a "giant" step forward like EA is claiming.

Sony claimed that first with their demonstration.

[JBHuskers]

I can't link the article as I can't pull up Eurogamer here at work, it just sits there and loads, but a Sony rep came out and stated PS+ will have a huge integration with PS4.

EDIT: Found the same article from The Verge - http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/1/4043808/sony-says-playstation-plus-will-play-a-prominent-role-on-the-ps4

[I OU a Beatn]

I want features and worthwhile games, Sony. Not "no features and 3 year old games." I'm really hoping they'll vastly improve on their Plus service. It doesn't help that over in EU they've been getting WAY better games than us.

[CLW]

PS4s to be more powerful than most PCs:


http://youtu.be/qZ0La64WXMo

[CLW]

Games likely to cost $70:


http://youtu.be/XxnH7IbFfGA

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/aBJ8UzjDmog

[JBHuskers]

Games likely to cost $70:



Tretton already came out and said PS4 games will top out at $60.

[bdoughty]

Tretton already came out and said PS4 games will top out at $60.

It all started with a quote from Michael Pachter, a game analyst that rarely gets anything right, unless it is something obvious.

https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/310527646742216705

[JBHuskers]

It all started with a quote from Michael Pachter, a game analyst that rarely gets anything right, unless it is something obvious.

https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/310527646742216705

Yeah Pachter is a dumbass. And Jack already said the games are topping out at $60. Pachter must not watch Sony interviews :D

[CLW]

Yeah Pachter is a dumbass. And Jack already said the games are topping out at $60. Pachter must not watch Sony interviews :D

Perhaps I don't know much about the gaming industry but does Sony/MS have the power to tell developers what they can charge for their games? Sure Sony could make sure their games are $60 for PS4 but what keeps EA from charging $70 or $600 that matter for NCAA/Madden (other than just regular supply/demand issues)

[bdoughty]

The console MFG's set the boundaries for what games sell for. The publishers determine what price to sell for within those boundaries. XBLA (not indie games) provide a simple example. Microsoft says the most you can charge is 1600 points and no lower than 400 points, with certain exceptions at 240 points and of course during sales.

[JBHuskers]

From VGChartz, Gamestop President Tony Bartel said that the demand for the PS4 has been very strong. Over 600k have signed up to be notified when pre-ordering will be available.

[GatorfanStovy]

Sadly I'll be waiting for the next xbox to come out. I won't be able to afford both systems and games etc by next year. Specially if the next xbox has blu ray. I'll just keep the ps3 and be good. Since everyone I play is an xbox owner. But the ps4 is looking sweet.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/nROdrcCG9-8

[JeffHCross]

Hardware news from GDC
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/playstation-4-design-process-began-with-software-developers-in-2007/

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

[CLW]

IGN rehashing mostly the same info as Jeff's links above:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/28/playstation-4-the-coolest-stuff-you-probably-didnt-know

[CLW]

I should note for us NCAA/Madden gamers the loss of analog buttons on PS4 will mean EA will have to change how bullet/lob passes are thrown unless I am missing something?

[Deuce]

I should note for us NCAA/Madden gamers the loss of analog buttons on PS4 will mean EA will have to change how bullet/lob passes are thrown unless I am missing something?

Good question...maybe since its digital it can measure the time the button is held down more accurately?

[CLW]

Good question...maybe since its digital it can measure the time the button is held down more accurately?

I don't think so but perhaps the article is wrong re the capabilities of digital:


Back on the PS3, the D-pad and the face buttons of the DualShock were analog – meaning that they could sense pressure and change input based on it. Norton said that developers didn’t use that option, however, and the DualShock 4 (http://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/DualShock_4) ditches analog and replaces them with digital buttons. The touchpad resolution on the controller is 1920x900, and the L2/R2 buttons are curved to help avoid accidental Netflix fast forwarding.

[JBHuskers]

Oh. I thought they were curved for her pleasure.

[gschwendt]

That's saying pressure-sensitive, as in if you barely press in the button vs pressing it in all the way. The way NCAA/Madden does it is for how long you hold down the button... that won't be going away.

[JBHuskers]

I'm just glad the touch screen is on the front. I hate it on the back of the Vita. Any game that uses it, I turn it off just because I'll always accidentally hit it.

[CLW]

That's saying pressure-sensitive, as in if you barely press in the button vs pressing it in all the way. The way NCAA/Madden does it is for how long you hold down the button... that won't be going away.

Ah well strike that "concern" off the list for PS4 then. I was always under the impression that the lobs/bullets were determined by how hard you pressed the button not by how long but apparently not.

[JBHuskers]

So am I reading this right? The Dualshock 4 charges wirelessly while in standby mode. NICE

[I OU a Beatn]

So am I reading this right? The Dualshock 4 charges wirelessly while in standby mode. NICE

Yeah, Greg Miller was making a huge deal about that. I realize he's the biggest fan boy the world has ever seen, but Jesus, the 360 has been doing that since the beginning. It should have been a feature on the PS3, but I guess it's nice they finally realized how stupid it was to be without it. Hell, my PC will even charge my Dualshock while it's turned off. :D

Bundling a mic with all systems is also nice. It's absolutely ridiculous how little PS3 players use a mic in competitive games. About the only games people used mics in were SOCOM and MAG, and Sony did a nice job of killing both of those.

[souljahbill]

Prepare for PSN to be just as douche-y as XBL unless they really do the real name IDs.

[I OU a Beatn]

Prepare for PSN to be just as douche-y as XBL unless they really do the real name IDs.

There will always be that. It's more annoying to me when I'm playing with randoms and absolutely no one is using a mic. That occasionally happens on 360 as well, don't get me wrong...but it happens EVERY game on PS3. The morons are easily muted.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/9i8BnuVBuNs

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/C-HgWVKeu_8

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/ghICiNJCaLQ

[CLW]

Nothing new but a "recap" of all of the most recent stuff:


http://youtu.be/E2v7zsPc-Lk

[lilheavy]

So am I reading this right? The Dualshock 4 charges wirelessly while in standby mode. NICE

Not wirelessly JB. It still has to be plugged in via USB. The PS3 does not continue to charge your controllers once you turn it off. The 360 does.

[jaymo76]

With all the computing power of these next gen systems I really hope we see some PC style simulation/strategy games makes an appearance on the consoles. Count me in the minority but I have zero interest in "shoot em up" style games... and that seems to be the basis of most console games today (aka put in as much graphic violence and bloodshed as possible).

[JeffHCross]

The problem for strategy games has never been computing power. It's the interface. It's hard to adapt the traditional interface to a gamepad.

[SmoothPancakes]

The problem for strategy games has never been computing power. It's the interface. It's hard to adapt the traditional interface to a gamepad.

This. I tried Civilization Revolution on 360, never could really get into it. It's just not the same on the console as it is on PC. Total War, Civilization, World in Conflict, SimCity, Crusader Kings II, etc, I don't see how they would translate real well to a console and gamepad. You really do need the mouse and keyboard to truly play the game as it is/was intended.

[CLW]

This. I tried Civilization Revolution on 360, never could really get into it. It's just not the same on the console as it is on PC. Total War, Civilization, World in Conflict, SimCity, Crusader Kings II, etc, I don't see how they would translate real well to a console and gamepad. You really do need the mouse and keyboard to truly play the game as it is/was intended.

I REALLY enjoyed Civ on the PS3 but IMHO they made the game too arcade like thinking that there wasn't a market for it on a console. I think it could easily be done on a console but would probably be best as a psn/ms store download only type game.

[morsdraconis]

A turnbased strategy game could work just fine on a console (like Civ Revolution was). Trying to do RTSs though would be a hassle. Not being able to do shortcuts with simple quick key presses like on a keyboard make it nearly impossible to make a good RTS.

I could see Civ 5 getting a console port. It's entirely possible for them to do that without any real issues besides it being a bit slower than mouse and keyboard, but, being a turnbased strategy game, the slower controls isn't a big deal at all.

[JeffHCross]

I played C&C on PS? back in the day and it was alright. Something like Total War would be impossible though. Even the turn-based sections would be very difficult to navigate.

[jaymo76]

I REALLY enjoyed Civ on the PS3 but IMHO they made the game too arcade like thinking that there wasn't a market for it on a console. I think it could easily be done on a console but would probably be best as a psn/ms store download only type game.


A turnbased strategy game could work just fine on a console (like Civ Revolution was). Trying to do RTSs though would be a hassle. Not being able to do shortcuts with simple quick key presses like on a keyboard make it nearly impossible to make a good RTS.

I could see Civ 5 getting a console port. It's entirely possible for them to do that without any real issues besides it being a bit slower than mouse and keyboard, but, being a turnbased strategy game, the slower controls isn't a big deal at all.

I loved Civ Revolution except for the fact they made it to only last six hours. I played Civ (or was it Civ 2?) on play station and it was a blast. Heck, I used to love playing SIMCITY back on Super Nintendo. I think the market is there for those types of games but I don't think the companies have an interest in reaching out to that side of the console gamer market.

[jaymo76]

I played C&C on PS? back in the day and it was alright. Something like Total War would be impossible though. Even the turn-based sections would be very difficult to navigate.

I bought Port Royale for PS3 and I have been very happy with it thus far. Basically they made the game identical to the PC version and didn't dumb anything down. I personally can overlook some of the challenges with console controllers but I realise other may not be able to do so.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/9bQAT1nn8yo

[CLW]

http://t.qkme.me/3tpog3.jpg

http://ap.ign.com/en/news/5944/microsoft-creative-director-on-always-online-deal-with-it-

[JeffHCross]

I bought Port Royale for PS3 and I have been very happy with it thus far. Basically they made the game identical to the PC version and didn't dumb anything down. I personally can overlook some of the challenges with console controllers but I realise other may not be able to do so.For me it's not the difficulty, jaymo, just the tediousness. Like how scrolling the Web browser on PS3 is overly complicated. There are just some things the controller can't do well.

[CLW]

Rumor I heard on IGN's podcast beyond - Sony wants to steal MS's thunder with another announcement/presser in May roughly at the same time MS comes out with the 720 with showing the actual console and price and perhaps a dig at the always online.

[SmoothPancakes]

If Sony wants to be that juvenile and pathetic.

[I OU a Beatn]

Rumor I heard on IGN's podcast beyond - Sony wants to steal MS's thunder with another announcement/presser in May roughly at the same time MS comes out with the 720 with showing the actual console and price and perhaps a dig at the always online.

They would if they're smart. I still don't see the point of announcing a console without showing the thing or even giving a price. It makes perfect sense to actually do that, although I think it would be kind of difficult to fill an entire event with just a showing of the console and the price.

As for that last bit, Sony has absolutely no room to make a dig at anything Xbox related when it comes to online infrastructure. That would be the equivalent to Shaq taking a dig at Steve Nash's free throw shooting. The bit about the rumors that it would require online access to play games, that would probably be a little hard considering the next Xbox probably wont be revealed by then. Of course, Greg Miller is probably one of the top 3 biggest morons I've ever seen in my life, so it makes perfect sense for him to say something that dumb.

[CLW]

If Sony wants to be that juvenile and pathetic.

You do realize that this strategy is practically the exact same strategy the "juvenile and pathetic" MS did to Sony with the 360 v. PS3. Just sayin'

[SmoothPancakes]

You do realize that this strategy is practically the exact same strategy the "juvenile and pathetic" MS did to Sony with the 360 v. PS3. Just sayin'

Yeah, but it's still stupid. I thought that shit ended back in middle school. I guess the fucktards just grow up on the outside, but never on the inside.

[I OU a Beatn]

You do realize that this strategy is practically the exact same strategy the "juvenile and pathetic" MS did to Sony with the 360 v. PS3. Just sayin'

Which ones?

I remember the two going back and forth with each other over the years. I died when watching this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml_5mj4HvB0

http://www.animecentral.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/1687wh5.gif

:D Gets me every time.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/hgVxMKQ1km8

[JeffHCross]

There's nothing juvenile or pathetic about it IMO. Well, about revealing the price and console at least.

As for taking a dig, I OU, if MS were to announce Always Online, that would open them up to a lot of shots.

[gschwendt]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/191007/

Gamasutra: Inside the PlayStation 4 With Mark Cerny



How much do you want to bet that Sony asked Gamasutra to hold onto this article until Microsoft announced their unveiling.

[I OU a Beatn]

Guy obviously knows what he's talking about. While I was watching the reveal, he was by far the best part of it. He has a very obvious passion for what he does, so it was a smart move by Sony to allow him to lead the design of it.

I'm kind of bummed they wouldn't allow questions about the UI. At this point, that's my only major concern. If what they showed during the reveal is the main screen that you'll be using most of the time, I'm going to be very disappointed, mainly because it's ugly as hell and looks like a pain in the ass to navigate. They should have just stuck with the XMB and enhanced it.

[gschwendt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uQXN3Azvq9E

[JBHuskers]

:hump:

[I OU a Beatn]

Definitely going to need Kontrol Freeks again. Seriously, what is so hard about designing a decent grip for the analog sticks? Sony is full on retarded about it and Microsoft isn't too far behind. Obviously it isn't that hard considering KF has it down to a science.

[CLW]

Definitely going to need Kontrol Freeks again. Seriously, what is so hard about designing a decent grip for the analog sticks? Sony is full on retarded about it and Microsoft isn't too far behind. Obviously it isn't that hard considering KF has it down to a science.

Maybe KF gave them a kick back to save their business? I honestly had zero complaints about any of Sony's controllers. My fingers never slip off the sticks/triggers. However, MS' controller just felt too big for me and I'm so.... used to Sony's controller I cannot play on anything different.

[JBHuskers]

So....not sure if this question has been asked, but for the PS+ members, once PS4 is out, can we download the PS3 games to the PS4? The discs won't be compatible, but I'm assuming the PS3 digital library will?

[gschwendt]

So....not sure if this question has been asked, but for the PS+ members, once PS4 is out, can we download the PS3 games to the PS4? The discs won't be compatible, but I'm assuming the PS3 digital library will?
Unlikely that they'll be compatible at launch. Eventually their streaming service will probably allow them to be played from the PS4 but Sony indicated that probably won't be ready at launch.

[CLW]

Unlikely that they'll be compatible at launch. Eventually their streaming service will probably allow them to be played from the PS4 but Sony indicated that probably won't be ready at launch.

That's my understanding as well. I guess I'll be losing a bunch of games and my copy of Atlas Shrugged. :smh:

[CLW]

We've heard from other sources that Microsoft is not where they want to be at this point in the pre-launch development of Durango. A reliable source—one who was not part of our reporting about the Respawn game—tells us that Microsoft is as much as six months behind in producing content for the new console, despite an expected late-2013 launch. Another tells us that Microsoft recently cancelled several internal next-gen projects because they were not coming together as hoped. These sources have told us that, comparatively, Sony is in better shape and further along with hardware and software development for PlayStation 4.

http://kotaku.com/the-next-gen-xbox-is-getting-a-hell-of-an-exclusive-so-484785241

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/QJAfEddmvg0

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/WhRLaVz86HQ

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/L5ZD2Mxxd9w

[gschwendt]

GT6 announcement on 5/15?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mUK1VLZXNK4

[I OU a Beatn]

Yes, please.

[CLW]

wow that would put a big dent in the TGT "Drive Club" we all planned on forming. :nod:

[JBHuskers]

Yes, please.

:+1:

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/hsoiIx21Tz0

[GatorfanStovy]

Awesome GT6 YES!!

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/iduuOi0DbRg

[CLW]

FYI - possible the "box" so..... many were concerned about may have "leaked" in the video immediately above this post. If you care about what the box looks like might want to check it out.

[I OU a Beatn]

There's absolutely no way that's real. Looks like it was designed by a 10 year old.

[SmoothPancakes]

If that's real, it looks ugly as hell.

[CLW]

Well according to Gamestop its a fake:


http://youtu.be/NVtdnXGgJT4

[I OU a Beatn]

Yeah, it was pretty obvious to me. If Sony released something that hideous, I wouldn't buy it just out of spite.

[steelerfan]

Jesus Christ. That fucking Carolyn Petit guy is a little feminine. Not overly so, just enough to make him creepy. Dude needs a testosterone boost.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[GatorfanStovy]

wtf was that video about , i was so lost.

[Marlowe]

Jesus Christ. That fucking Carolyn Petit guy is a little feminine. Not overly so, just enough to make him creepy. Dude needs a testosterone boost

She's a TG.

[CLW]

She's a TG.

That was my running assumption but it didn't matter to me as he/she was simply reporting a story that I thought was relevant for the thread here. Carry on.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/XmAq3RP52Wo

[SmoothPancakes]

Greatness Awaits. Wow what a *** slogan.

[souljahbill]

Greatness Awaits. Wow what a lame slogan.
Fixed

[steelerfan]

Fixed

How offensive! :fp:

You assumed he meant "lame"? I'm fairly certain he meant "happy"!

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[JBHuskers]

How offensive! :fp:

You assumed he meant "lame"? I'm fairly certain he meant "happy"!

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

At first I read it as gayness awaits :D

[CLW]

PS4 Riding Wave of Twice the Social Media Buzz of 720

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2013/05/17/sony-playstation-4-riding-wave-of-twice-the-social-media-buzz-of-new-microsoft-xbox/?partner=yahootix

Will it continue?

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdRgCQhOTco

[JBHuskers]

What a cock tease.

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV3kAmvbZmU

[I OU a Beatn]

Mock design by someone using images from the teaser:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2013/05/20/s9cf1jll_1.jpg

I hope it's slightly better looking than that. :D

[JBHuskers]

Looks like one of these :D

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2473590/cat-on-roomba-driver-o.gif

[morsdraconis]

Looks like a "futuristic" 80s sci-fi machine of some type. Good lord, I hope it doesn't look like that. :smh:

[GatorfanStovy]

Mock design by someone using images from the teaser:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2013/05/20/s9cf1jll_1.jpg

I hope it's slightly better looking than that. :D


Dude that shit looks fucking ugly as shit. I would not buy this ugly piece of crap. Damn.

[Deuce]

Really? To each his own but I really don't care what it looks like as long as it works well and doesn't crash within the first 5 months like the 5 Xbox 360's I had.


Typed by thumbs.

[GatorfanStovy]

Really? To each his own but I really don't care what it looks like as long as it works well and doesn't crash within the first 5 months like the 5 Xbox 360's I had.


Typed by thumbs.


x2 on the crashing part. I dunno that just looks ugly to me. Keep the same basic designed from the ps3 and be good.

[steelerfan]

Really? To each his own but I really don't care what it looks like as long as it works well and doesn't crash within the first 5 months like the 5 Xbox 360's I had.


Typed by thumbs.

Exactly. If it looks good, fine. Either way, it has to work. If it's ugly, but works - that's fine.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[CLW]

Really? To each his own but I really don't care what it looks like as long as it works well and doesn't crash within the first 5 months like the 5 Xbox 360's I had.


Typed by thumbs.


x2 on the crashing part. I dunno that just looks ugly to me. Keep the same basic designed from the ps3 and be good.


Exactly. If it looks good, fine. Either way, it has to work. If it's ugly, but works - that's fine.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

Yep. I never got the "anger" at Sony for not showing the box during the initial presser. If it doesn't give me RROD and works as it is supposed to at launch I do not care what it looks like.

[CLW]

Sony's stock is up 9% since the reveal of Xbox One. Investors not phased apparently by One.

[CLW]

Not that anyone here thought otherwise but per Pasta Padre:

Madden NFL 25, UFC, NBA Live 14, and FIFA 14 all confirmed for both the Xbox One and PS4. So no full exclusivity involved.

EDIT: IGN also confirming this

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/madden-fifa-ufc-and-nba-live-also-coming-to-ps4

[I OU a Beatn]

I knew it would be exclusive DLC. It's good in a way that the games will be available for everyone, but it's also bad in the sense that Microsoft still thinks this is the way to go. Congrats, Microsoft, for getting 3 people in the world to buy an Xbox over a PS because of the Ultimate Team for FIFA.

[CLW]

Pasta Padre probably speculating but believes PS4 will have same "fee" with used games as One.

IMHO Sony shouldn't go that route. But perhaps the lawyer in me just wants to see an all out war.

If they both go this route the status quo remains. If Sony wants to win the war used games might be the only way to pull out a clear victory.

[I OU a Beatn]

Pasta Padre probably speculating but believes PS4 will have same "fee" with used games as One.

IMHO Sony shouldn't go that route. But perhaps the lawyer in me just wants to see an all out war.

If they both go this route the status quo remains. If Sony wants to win the war used games might be the only way to pull out a clear victory.

As I said in the other thread, that's exactly what I believe. I think Sony wanted Microsoft to confirm it first, and now that they have, I believe we'll be hearing the exact same thing from them over the next several weeks/months.

[CLW]

As I said in the other thread, that's exactly what I believe. I think Sony wanted Microsoft to confirm it first, and now that they have, I believe we'll be hearing the exact same thing from them over the next several weeks/months.

It might be true but if I were Sony/MS publishers would have had to pay me to do it especially not knowing if my largest competitor in the marketplace was going to follow suit.

[I OU a Beatn]

Yeah, but I think you're viewing from a customer stand point. Think about it from a corporation stand point. What makes a gaming console attractive to consumers? Games. Who makes the vast majority of the games? 3rd party publishers. What can we do to make sure our 3rd party publishers are happy and wanting to support us? Make sure they're making as much money on our system as possible. How do we do that? Eliminate used games and make money on every game purchased.

This is one area in which Microsoft and Sony are united. They need to keep their publishers happy, and in order to do that, they need to eliminate used games. Besides, the writing has been on the wall for quite awhile. I kind of chuckled when EA said they were eliminating online passes - I knew what that REALLY meant the second I read about it.

[CLW]

PS4 v. One Specs Comparison:

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Comparison_Chart

[I OU a Beatn]

Another mock up:

http://www.gameranx.com/img/13-May/ps4-mockup.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kRRNCnG.gif

[SmoothPancakes]

Good lord, that looks even worse than the previous mock-up. :sick:

[I OU a Beatn]

I don't think either one of them are close. At least I hope not. Of course, after seeing Microsoft's VCR yesterday, I guess it's possible. :smh:

[morsdraconis]

It's gonna look bad. No way around it. (shrugs)

[steelerfan]

I don't think either one of them are close. At least I hope not. Of course, after seeing Microsoft's VCR yesterday, I guess it's possible. :smh:

That's what my first thought was yesterday, lol. I thought One looked like the VCR my parents bought in 1985.

That said, I still don't care what either system looks like.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[CLW]

Yep. I don't care what One looks like and I don't care what PS4 looks like. I want them to play video games and the occasional blue ray movie. So long as it doesn't have Obama's face all over the PS4 I'll take it. :nod:

[Deuce]

Yep. I don't care what One looks like and I don't care what PS4 looks like. I want them to play video games and the occasional blue ray movie. So long as it doesn't have Obama's face all over the PS4 I'll take it. :nod:

What about a Ronald Reagan PS4? :D


Typed by thumbs.

[CLW]

What about a Ronald Reagan PS4? :D


Typed by thumbs.

I'd pay 100 billion dollars for that! :nod: Although I'm more of a Coolidge guy myself. :nod:

[skipwondah33]

Looks like a scaled down server

[JBHuskers]

Score one for Sony.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/181286_10151422423211937_1783831314_n_zps5a43cf76. jpg

[I OU a Beatn]

Score one for Sony.

That's hilarious! :D

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2

[CLW]

Score one for Sony.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/181286_10151422423211937_1783831314_n_zps5a43cf76. jpg

This plus a play on (1) #DealWithIt AND (2) Used Games should be their ENTIRE online ad campaign.

[I OU a Beatn]

We still don't know what Sony's policy even is on used games yet. Chances are, they're planning on doing something similarly to Microsoft, hence why they've been so quiet about it.

[jaymo76]

Score one for Sony.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/181286_10151422423211937_1783831314_n_zps5a43cf76. jpg

That's great! All I really use my PS3 for is games and bluray or dvd movies. I don't want to have the thing on all day. I have an hd pvr with all the bells and whistles so for me PS4 is hands down the better option.

[morsdraconis]

We still don't know what Sony's policy even is on used games yet. Chances are, they're planning on doing something similarly to Microsoft, hence why they've been so quiet about it.

It's not the used games that's the issue. It's the emphasis on the Xbox One integrating TV bullshit with it. It's the requirement of the goddamn Kinect being on all the time. I don't give two shits about used games personally.

[I OU a Beatn]

It's not the used games that's the issue. It's the emphasis on the Xbox One integrating TV bullshit with it. It's the requirement of the goddamn Kinect being on all the time. I don't give two shits about used games personally.

The used games thing is basically a non issue for me. I was responding to what CLW said about how Sony's marketing campaign should be based around the used games thing.

[souljahbill]

I don't know why everyone is up in arms about not having games at the Microsoft presser. They said ahead of time that the presser was a hardware showing and E3 would be a software showing. Do people not pay attention?

[I OU a Beatn]

I don't know why everyone is up in arms about not having games at the Microsoft presser. They said ahead of time that the presser was a hardware showing and E3 would be a software showing. Do people not pay attention?

Because it's asinine to reveal a GAMING console and spend the entire hour talking about TV, music, apps, and how Kinect spies on you.

I mean, Sony only revealed a few exclusives, but it was something. Microsoft revealed a few titles that will be on other systems and then talked about how they're trying to take over the living room with TV services. Aside from Sony's 2006 E3 conference, I can't think of a worse one than the One's reveal.

[JBHuskers]

I don't know why everyone is up in arms about not having games at the Microsoft presser. They said ahead of time that the presser was a hardware showing and E3 would be a software showing. Do people not pay attention?

But it still shows what Microsoft's priority is.

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[cdj]

Twitter Rises Up In Protest Over The PS4's Rumored Used Games DRM (http://kotaku.com/twitter-rises-up-in-protest-over-the-ps4s-rumored-used-509984593?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow)

Yesterday, GameTrailers TV host Geoff Keighley revealed that, according to his sources, the PlayStation 4 will employ (http://kotaku.com/rumor-the-ps4-has-used-games-drm-509969406) some form of digital rights management when dealing with used games. Twitter's gamer community took it upon themselves to show Sony how bad an idea this is.

Spurred by Keighley's words, numerous gamers on Twitter are currently bombarding Sony with messages about the PS4's supposed used games DRM. The campaign was started by NeoGAF user famousmortimer who, in a forum thread, asked people to tweet several key Sony personnel, among them Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida, about their displeasure.

[steelerfan]

I have never bought a used game and I haven't rented a game since the Sega Genesis days. Personally, I couldn't care less if the ability to do so goes away - let the developers profit instead of GameStop.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[Rudy]

I have never bought a used game and I haven't rented a game since the Sega Genesis days. Personally, I couldn't care less if the ability to do so goes away - let the developers profit instead of GameStop.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

I'm the exact opposite. I buy some used games and sell most of my games to make some money back. This is a big deal for me.

I get pretty tired of the whining some devs do over used game sales. I've heard people comparing it to stealing. Give me a break. Does Ford sue used car salesmen for them selling a used car and Ford not getting any kickbacks? Do they demand profits back? No! And a big part of that reason is that the profit made from selling a used car is used to buy a new car. It's a win-win and I think the idea that if you eliminated all used video game sales that all that extra money ends up in the first parties hands is very flawed. I don't mind taking a chance and buying some games I'm not completely sure on because if they aren't that good my loss isn't as bad. That $60 game can be flipped for $30 or $40 and my real cost is less than $30. Having to pay $60 for a new game and never being able to sell or trade it means I become even more frugal buying games for both myself and my kids.

[I OU a Beatn]

I'm the exact opposite. I buy some used games and sell most of my games to make some money back. This is a big deal for me.

I get pretty tired of the whining some devs do over used game sales. I've heard people comparing it to stealing. Give me a break. Does Ford sue used car salesmen for them selling a used car and Ford not getting any kickbacks? Do they demand profits back? No! And a big part of that reason is that the profit made from selling a used car is used to buy a new car. It's a win-win and I think the idea that if you eliminated all used video game sales that all that extra money ends up in the first parties hands is very flawed. I don't mind taking a chance and buying some games I'm not completely sure on because if they aren't that good my loss isn't as bad. That $60 game can be flipped for $30 or $40 and my real cost is less than $30. Having to pay $60 for a new game and never being able to sell or trade it means I become even more frugal buying games for both myself and my kids.

If it doesn't happen this generation (and it more than likely will), it will 100% certainly happen next gen when consoles inevitably go all digital. It's only a matter of time.

[morsdraconis]

If it doesn't happen this generation (and it more than likely will), it will 100% certainly happen next gen when consoles inevitably go all digital. It's only a matter of time.

Consoles going digital immediately means that Amazon and such can get into the digital distribution market for them, which means that prices will go down. It might not be an immediate thing, but it will happen. PC games used to be the same way as console games, but, slowly, there has been a switch in the market allowing games to be on sale more often, resulting in better prices all around.

[countryboy]

I have never bought a used game and I haven't rented a game since the Sega Genesis days. Personally, I couldn't care less if the ability to do so goes away - let the developers profit instead of GameStop.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

I feel the same way about Gamestop, but myself, I sell games on Ebay to get back money for future games or what have you. I can easily buy a game such as God of War, beat it in a week and sell it on Ebay and make $45+.

[countryboy]

I don't know why everyone is up in arms about not having games at the Microsoft presser. They said ahead of time that the presser was a hardware showing and E3 would be a software showing. Do people not pay attention?

I understand that but Microsoft has to understand that unless they sell this thing as a console first, who in the hell is going to buy it? I already have cable TV, internet access, a device to listen to music and an ability to play/watch movies. I don't need to pay $400+ for something to do that all in one for me.

[countryboy]

I'm the exact opposite. I buy some used games and sell most of my games to make some money back. This is a big deal for me.

I get pretty tired of the whining some devs do over used game sales. I've heard people comparing it to stealing. Give me a break. Does Ford sue used car salesmen for them selling a used car and Ford not getting any kickbacks? Do they demand profits back? No! And a big part of that reason is that the profit made from selling a used car is used to buy a new car. It's a win-win and I think the idea that if you eliminated all used video game sales that all that extra money ends up in the first parties hands is very flawed. I don't mind taking a chance and buying some games I'm not completely sure on because if they aren't that good my loss isn't as bad. That $60 game can be flipped for $30 or $40 and my real cost is less than $30. Having to pay $60 for a new game and never being able to sell or trade it means I become even more frugal buying games for both myself and my kids.

The bolded part is the reason I believe that used gaming will never go away. Developers can't reasonably expect gamers to continously buy the vast array of games that hit the shelves each year, without having the ability to unload old games to make way for the new. Unless these developers hit absolute homeruns with each new installment of game they release.

And what about sports title developers, such as EA, 2K, and SCEA who are contracted to release a yearly title? Do they really expect to incorporate enough new material to a game that would make a majority of their fanbase buy the new installment each and every year instead of keeping the one they have?

If, and I don't think it will happen, if used games go the way the dodo bird, then us gamers will likely be the biggest beneficiary in terms that each new installment of any game series would have to be significantly better than the previous in order for us to fork over another $60+

[Rudy]

I agree CB. Take away used games and the new games will have to be great games or they will sell very poorly. People may also start taking years off from buying the annual releases (like sports games and COD). The rental market is still good. Movies are released and rented and everyone benefits there as well. If you denied people the ability to rent movies and force people to buy new releases the movie companies would take a hit in profit imo. Game companies are greedy when they look at the used game market as taking away their money without looking at the positives.

We'll just have to wait and see what their real plans are. If every game has a $10 re-activation fee it's not so bad. If the re-activation fee is much higher it becomes a big problem and not just for Gamestop.

[countryboy]

I agree CB. Take away used games and the new games will have to be great games or they will sell very poorly. People may also start taking years off from buying the annual releases (like sports games and COD). The rental market is still good. Movies are released and rented and everyone benefits there as well. If you denied people the ability to rent movies and force people to buy new releases the movie companies would take a hit in profit imo. Game companies are greedy when they look at the used game market as taking away their money without looking at the positives.

We'll just have to wait and see what their real plans are. If every game has a $10 re-activation fee it's not so bad. If the re-activation fee is much higher it becomes a big problem and not just for Gamestop.

Agreed, and I believe that is what we'll see, is basically re-activation fee for the game. Much line you had to buy the online pass for used games if you wanted to get online.

Used gaming has become a huge part of the industry now. I can't see developers eliminating that for reasons already stated, but rather finding a way to profit from it.

[CLW]

Some bum just endorsed the PS4 over XboxOne on Game Changers Radio. :nod:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/easgcradio/2013/05/29/game-changers-radio

[JBHuskers]

Some bum just endorsed the PS4 over XboxOne on Game Changers Radio. :nod:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/easgcradio/2013/05/29/game-changers-radio

Who? :dunno:

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[CLW]

Score one for Sony.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/181286_10151422423211937_1783831314_n_zps5a43cf76. jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLODt3ACYAEj6mM.jpg:large

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj9lTblpuvQ

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZj9QrYykf0

[JBHuskers]

:nod: :up: :rock:

[skipwondah33]

I have never bought a used game and I haven't rented a game since the Sega Genesis days. Personally, I couldn't care less if the ability to do so goes away - let the developers profit instead of GameStop.Me either

[bdoughty]

Since someone has been going buck nuts wild about the evil Xbox and and kinect spying on you and then the possibilities of having to pass information to the government if such a need were to arise. Well Sony has something similar and not a lot has been said about it other than it will be BUNDLED with the PS4, so it will play an important enough role to not be an add-on.

Borrowed from wiki.

PlayStation 4 Eye

The PlayStation Eye has been redesigned. It will include two 1280×800px cameras. The lenses will operate with an aperture of f/2.0, with 30 cm focusing distance, and an 85° field of view.[29] The dual camera setup will allow for different modes of operation, depending on the target application.[34] The two cameras can be used together for depth-sensing of objects in its field of vision,[35] akin to the Microsoft Kinect.[36] Alternatively, one of the cameras can be used for generating the video image, with the other used for motion tracking.[37]

The PlayStation 4 Eye will also feature a four-channel microphone array,[29] which helps reduce unwanted background noise and may even be used to issue commands.[34] It is tentatively set to be 186 × 27 × 27 mm (7.3 × 1.1 × 1.1 in) (width × height × depth), with a weight of 183 grams (6.5 oz).[29] It will record video in RAW and YUV (uncompressed) formats and will connect with the PlayStation 4 via the console's auxiliary port.[29] Sony plans to ship the PlayStation 4 Eye bundled with the console, rather than being a separate accessory.


http://i.imgur.com/ZfTY8z0.jpg

[gschwendt]

The question is whether it will HAVE to be hooked up in order to play the console at all. If I can keep it unplugged for any game that I'm not using it for (I imagine most), then I'm good.

[bdoughty]

Well that is the $1,000,000 question now isn't it? There could also be games that force you to use the camera/microphone, since it is bundled with the hardware and available to the whole userbase. Who knows? Sony has not said anything.

[CLW]

The question is whether it will HAVE to be hooked up in order to play the console at all. If I can keep it unplugged for any game that I'm not using it for (I imagine most), then I'm good.


Well that is the $1,000,000 question now isn't it? There could also be games that force you to use the camera/microphone, since it is bundled with the hardware and available to the whole userbase. Who knows? Sony has not said anything.

Yep. There is a difference between forcing something to be always on and just including it. Sony is throwing in a headset too but I doubt you have to have it always on to play a game. Rather, its simply there when/if you want to use it. However, if Sony does the same thing MS is doing (recording you 24/7 and collecting data) I'm NOT buying either. It is as simple as that.

[I OU a Beatn]

It wont be forced to be on and listening 24/7. That's the massive difference. I don't care that it's bundled. In the case of Kinect, I care that it's required for the console to even work, and more importantly, I care that the thing is listening to me 24/7 unless it is completely powered off.

But, in the remote 0.000001% chance that they do require it and it does constantly listen to you, then I wont be buying it, either.

[psuexv]

I'm sorry but I have to laugh at all of you worried about Big Brother listening in your living room. Everything you do is monitored now anyway, what's one more thing?

Personally I could give two shits. If they want to listen and know that I'm talking about buying a new car and I start getting some ads for new cars or financing it's no different now. Hell we put our house up for sale and get tons of stuff about moving deals and lawn care people that can help make our house sell faster. Everyone sells your info fellas.

[Deuce]

I'm sorry but I have to laugh at all of you worried about Big Brother listening in your living room. Everything you do is monitored now anyway, what's one more thing?

Personally I could give two shits. If they want to listen and know that I'm talking about buying a new car and I start getting some ads for new cars or financing it's no different now. Hell we put our house up for sale and get tons of stuff about moving deals and lawn care people that can help make our house sell faster. Everyone sells your info fellas.

So JB will be getting coupons for hand lotion and porn mags? :D


Typed by thumbs.

[steelerfan]

I'm sorry but I have to laugh at all of you worried about Big Brother listening in your living room. Everything you do is monitored now anyway, what's one more thing?

Personally I could give two shits. If they want to listen and know that I'm talking about buying a new car and I start getting some ads for new cars or financing it's no different now. Hell we put our house up for sale and get tons of stuff about moving deals and lawn care people that can help make our house sell faster. Everyone sells your info fellas.

There is a difference between your info/interests being sold and you house being bugged.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[Escobar]

I'm sorry but I have to laugh at all of you worried about Big Brother listening in your living room. Everything you do is monitored now anyway, what's one more thing?

Personally I could give two shits. If they want to listen and know that I'm talking about buying a new car and I start getting some ads for new cars or financing it's no different now. Hell we put our house up for sale and get tons of stuff about moving deals and lawn care people that can help make our house sell faster. Everyone sells your info fellas.

There's a difference between knowing your information is being monitored and being able to control what information you put out there, and having no choice whatsoever and trusting that these companies will not drop the dime on you and my house gets raided because I rolled up some herb yesterday. It's the same reason I will never buy an apple product, make an itunes account, or buy one of those Samsung tv's. That camera and microphone is on all the time. Don't believe me just go into a best buy and wave at the tv. If they setup the camera it responds instantly. It's just one step closer to living in "1984".

[I OU a Beatn]

Stemming fears of the always-online requirement still rumored strongly for the next Xbox, a Sony PR rep confirmed to Kotaku that: "PS4 games will be playable without an Internet connection."

I'm still hearing from at least one very good source who hasn't failed me yet that the next Xbox, codenamed Durango, will require an online connection, though that source isn't sure whether the console would tolerate spotty, dropped connections.

In an interview with Eurogamer at yesterday's big PS4 unveiling in New York, Sony's head of worldwide game studios, Shuhei Yoshida said, of PS4 gaming, "Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that."

Sony is hoping that you would keep your machine online, though, so they can keep quietly patching games, updating games, sending games to you and all sorts of other stuff. This is a company, mind you, that painted a vision yesterday of a "psychic" online store that would learn your tastes and have the next game you might want to buy already downloaded to your machine before you even knew it existed—just waiting for you to click to pay.

Note: Last year, when we reported the PS4's codename—Orbis—we also reported that, while there probably wouldn't be an always-online connection for PS4, that we were hearing that users would need to register their games online. We're following up with Sony to see if that is at all part of the current PS4 plan. Even if it had been, things can change and we're trying to keep you as up to date as we can.

UPDATE: More relief... At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that.

Source (http://kotaku.com/5985874/ps4-will-not-require-an-always+online-connection)

[CLW]

Source (http://kotaku.com/5985874/ps4-will-not-require-an-always+online-connection)

Isn't that pretty much what they have said from the beginning? I seem to recall Yoshida saying that right after their initial conference but maybe I'm dreaming.

[I OU a Beatn]

Not from what I've read. I've read numerous sources that said Sony's plan all along was to REQUIRE the game to be registered and it could only be registered to one owner. Only within the past week or so was it decided that Sony would not require this and would leave it up to the publisher of the individual game to decide whether or not to require the game to be registered.

[I OU a Beatn]

According to the video about the new controller, the camera will not be bundled (and as a result, not required for the console to work):

http://i.imgur.com/iJgqRWP.png

[bdoughty]

According to the video about the new controller, the camera will not be bundled (and as a result, not required for the console to work):



Video is well over a month old (released on April 25th) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uQXN3Azvq9E#!)

They could be considering multiple SKU's. One with and one without. It is still featured prominently on the PS4 front page (http://us.playstation.com/ps4/).

[CLW]

PS4 to allow used games (up to publisher to block)

http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/01/ps4-wont-require-always-online-connection-and-wont-block-drm-yoshida/

Interesting the article notes that this was in fact what Yoshida said back in February.

Also no Big Brother in my living room either.

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a486659/ps4-playstation-camera-not-packaged-with-console.html

[JBHuskers]

I highly doubt any publisher wants to block, or a shitstorm will follow.

[CLW]

I highly doubt any publisher wants to block, or a shitstorm will follow.

Yep smart move by Sony. Give the publishers the rope and see if anyone wants to hang themselves.

MS on the other hand makes the rope and puts it around its own neck.

[I OU a Beatn]

I highly doubt any publisher wants to block, or a shitstorm will follow.

Guarantee you EA and Activision will be more than willing. Ubisoft wont be far behind. I'd almost bet that Sony does it on their first party games, too.

[JBHuskers]

Guarantee you EA and Activision will be more than willing. Ubisoft wont be far behind. I'd almost bet that Sony does it on their first party games, too.

Dunno with EA. Why drop it completely to just pick it up again.

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[I OU a Beatn]

They said they were dropping the online pass. They didn't mention anything about requiring a game to be registered. In fact, they announced that they were dropping the online pass right around the time all this used games stuff started, so I think they and other publishers assumed Sony and Microsoft would both have their own systems. Sony, having seen the massive backlash Microsoft received, decided not to do it, IMO, but rather leave it up to the publishers (I also think Microsoft will go the same route). Now that it's back on the publishers, I'd imagine a lot of them would require a game to be registered.

Think about it; why wouldn't they? By allowing used games, what does the publisher gain? Okay, they get some good word of mouth, but what does that do for their bottom line? Virtually nothing. I'll be shocked if the vast majority of publishers don't adopt whatever system Sony or Microsoft implements.

[JBHuskers]

Pretty similar to an Online Pass though.

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[CLW]

Pretty similar to an Online Pass though.

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I'll admit I'm more in line with IOU on this one. Of course, EA thinks they were being coy/slick knowing it was a brief time and they would get a PR bump for announcing the decision only to go DRM with PS4/One. However, the backlash is going to be SEVERE EA will win "worst company in America" from now until eternity if they do in fact go that route.

[JBHuskers]

Remember, that vote was probably composed of mostly gamers, and not really a big named website even. Dude is still using the Wordpress default layout :D

[CLW]

Remember, that vote was probably composed of mostly gamers, and not really a big named website even. Dude is still using the Wordpress default layout :D

I don't necessarily disagree with at least part of the premise you have (vote being skewed). However, any website that gets a CEO of a publicly traded company to respond directly at you is doing something right.

[SmoothPancakes]

Remember, that vote was probably composed of mostly gamers, and not really a big named website even. Dude is still using the Wordpress default layout :D

Yeah. In any true vote for the worst company in America, no way in hell would a video game company win over banks and lenders and telecommunications companies, etc., that fuck people over every day with bullshit practices or seize their cars/homes from them and throw them to the curb.

[JBHuskers]

Yeah. In any true vote for the worst company in America, no way in hell would a video game company win over banks and lenders and telecommunications companies, etc., that fuck people over every day with bullshit practices or seize their cars/homes from them and throw them to the curb.

It's like TGT setting up a Forbes 500 list and calling it fact.

[CLW]

Yeah. In any true vote for the worst company in America, no way in hell would a video game company win over banks and lenders and telecommunications companies, etc., that fuck people over every day with bullshit practices or seize their cars/homes from them and throw them to the curb.

New Ameican definition for "Fuck people over" - following contract law which says if you don't pay a loan the bank can seize the property and sell it to someone else.

That "fucking people over" practice has only been in place since the dawn of lending.

In any event, carry on with your regularly scheduled communist manifesto.

[I OU a Beatn]

Pretty similar to an Online Pass though.

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It's just a play on words. I'm pretty sure they knew full well that Sony and Microsoft were going to implement systems that allowed publishers to require a game be registered before allowing to be played, so they went ahead announced the end of the online pass. Rest assured, they'll be first in line to use the system. I also believe that's why they're all of the sudden buddy-buddy with Microsoft, when they spent this entire generation making deals with Sony. Why the sudden change? Look no further than the reveals. Microsoft, at the beginning at least, came right out and said used games would require a transfer of license, fees, and whatever else... meanwhile, Sony never came out and committed to either situation. I personally believe that Microsoft was willing to commit to it, while Sony wasn't, and that's what got Microsoft the supposed EA exclusives (Mirror's Edge 2 and Respawn Entertainment's shooter...supposedly) and then timed DLC on a bunch of games (supposedly).

[SmoothPancakes]

New Ameican definition for "Fuck people over" - following contract law which says if you don't pay a loan the bank can seize the property and sell it to someone else.

That "fucking people over" practice has only been in place since the dawn of lending.

In any event, carry on with your regularly scheduled communist manifesto.

Fucking people over and seizing cars/homes were listed as separate things in my post. Some of the banks, credit card companies and telecommunications companies have time and time again been involved in some seriously shady shit that did nothing but fuck Joe Consumer over and line the pockets of the banks and companies. But yes, EA forcing you to enter a code for some online pass, yes, how fucking dare they, could have been the end of civilization as we knew it if it was allowed to continue. :fp:

[CLW]

Fucking people over and seizing cars/homes were listed as separate things in my post. Some of the banks, credit card companies and telecommunications companies have time and time again been involved in some seriously shady shit that did nothing but fuck Joe Consumer over and line the pockets of the banks and companies. But yes, EA forcing you to enter a code for some online pass, yes, how fucking dare they, could have been the end of civilization as we knew it if it was allowed to continue. :fp:

Again, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with EA being "the worst company in America". I personally have my vote and its not EA nor a bank/credit card company. I pay my bills on time so the banks credit card companies have been good to me.

You also are ignoring EA's "alleged" unauthorized/unpaid use of 1000s of "poor" college students "likeness". Perhaps, people are really upset that EA isn't paying the students that cash money?

[JBHuskers]

With the NCAA Football thing, it's not like these student athletes aren't taken care of. A vast majority would probably sign off on being in the video game if that was proposed to them.

[SmoothPancakes]

Again, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with EA being "the worst company in America". I personally have my vote and its not EA nor a bank/credit card company. I pay my bills on time so the banks credit card companies have been good to me.

You also are ignoring EA's "alleged" unauthorized/unpaid use of 1000s of "poor" college students "likeness". Perhaps, people are really upset that EA isn't paying the students that cash money?

The students can bite me. :D They're getting a free education by way of scholarship, if they're smart enough to actually stay in school instead of leaving for the pros after two or three years. Playing football in college is a choice. They're not being forced to do anything they didn't sign up for. All the crap about how they have practice and this and that and how regular students don't and thus can have regular jobs, again, the dumbshits knew what they were signing up for when they signed the LoI. They all think they're going to be the next hot shit in the NFL, so they start getting that entitled jackass way about them that they deserve free this and free that because they'll be some great pro football player someday.

[CLW]

Very well. What say you EA defenders re: the debacle that was Sim City Always Online/Launch? Etc...

Again, EA isn't my most hated company but to say others have no reason for voting them so doesn't hold allot of weight IMHO. I also agree the vote isn't a true vote of all American consumers and as such the poll should be taken for what its worth.

However, the CEO of EA apparently felt the need to respond to this "useless" poll. But if its "useless" and so.... "flawed" why even bother responding to it? You give it some form of credibility when the head honcho feels the need to defend his company in the poll.

[JBHuskers]

I'm just saying that only the gaming community really recognizes that poll because that's probably all who vote. It's not like this is the BBB doing the poll. It's some podunk website.

[CLW]

I'm just saying that only the gaming community really recognizes that poll because that's probably all who vote. It's not like this is the BBB doing the poll. It's some podunk website.

I agreed with this point a long time ago that the poll probably does not reflect an accurate reflection of America as a hole (no online poll does).

[JBHuskers]

But it's amazing how many people (not necessarily on this site) who are taking that poll as the gospel.

[bdoughty]

But it's amazing how many people (not necessarily on this site) who are taking that poll as the gospel.

No, they just enjoy seeing EA taking a back-to-back slap to the face for their shitty business practices. As you said most of these people are gamers, posting on gaming forums. If Activision or possibly even Bethesda was on that list instead of EA, they would have finished in the same place.

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TqhIwft0yw

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SC3x6lMlyQ

[CLW]

Well judging the response on Twitter/IGN people are not happy with the MS announcement re: Used Games/Always Online.

Most "insiders" agree with IOU Sony's policy will be the same with PS4. IF Sony/PS4 go that route I think Sony is missing a HUGE opportunity to just CRUSH MS and win the console war.

I also think if PS4 takes the same approach you could see REALLY bad sales for both PS4/XB1 and a slow conversion rate.

[CLW]

https://twitter.com/KazHiraiCEO/status/342777266528456705

[CLW]

This Tweet shizzle is not working for me.

https://twitter.com/KazHiraiCEO/status/342777266528456705

[CLW]

https://twitter.com/KazHiraiCEO

[I OU a Beatn]

You have the worst time with embedding tweets, don't you? :D

342777266528456705

[CLW]

You have the worst time with embedding tweets, don't you? :D

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:nod:

Kaz is a pretty fun guy on Twitter at least. However, tweets like that may backfire if you are in fact right IOU. I'm starting think your right but I still think its a mistake b/c I believe the demand from consumers would make the publishers cave they simply couldn't/wouldn't take a pass on 60% of a potential customer base.

[CLW]

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[I OU a Beatn]

:nod:

Kaz is a pretty fun guy on Twitter at least. However, tweets like that may backfire if you are in fact right IOU. I'm starting think your right but I still think its a mistake b/c I believe the demand from consumers would make the publishers cave they simply couldn't/wouldn't take a pass on 60% of a potential customer base.

It wont backfire for him - it's a fake account. :D

[CLW]

It wont backfire for him - it's a fake account. :D

oops just noticed the lack of a check mark. :smh:

[CLW]

Forbes article outlining the IOU versus CLW "argument" re: PS4. Author takes the "CLW" school of thought but acknowledges Sony may just follow MS' "lead".

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/06/07/the-xbox-one-might-let-sonys-ps4-win-by-default/?partner=yahootix