Steeler, have you played with the cpu pass coverage sliders. On AA I am having one hell of a time beating the cpu zone.Originally Posted by steelerfan
Steeler, have you played with the cpu pass coverage sliders. On AA I am having one hell of a time beating the cpu zone.
No, they're real.
I may have to wait until your video for my final verdict, but doing a quick check of slants vs Dime 2 man Under and slants vs Dime Cover 1 Press, I'm not seeing consistency one way or the other. In general, however, the receiver off the LoS is getting more open (though only marginally) against 2 Man Under, and neither is getting off cleanly against Cover 1 Press.
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See the demo footage in the video linked below (sorry, I don't have a capture setup so it's video camera, view at 480p and fullscreen on youtube). For simplicity, I did not test against press coverage, only whether the receivers were getting open or not under default man coverage. In every play in which the receivers running a slant were ON the line of scrimmage (like in Slant Bubble), they are always wide open. Receivers running a slant OFF the line of scrimmage are always tightly covered. If the video quality here hinders you, boot up the demo and just run Ace Big - Quick Slants (FSU book) vs. Dime 2 Man Under (both receivers always tightly covered), and then compare with the same slant patterns run by the same receivers against the same defenders out out of SG Spread: Slant Bubble vs. Dime 2 Man Under (slant receivers open every time). I used those plays as the primary test plays because the other routes on those plays do not create interference with the slant routes.
My guess is that the difference is not related to being on/off the LOS, but rather has to do with the route itself. If you look at the Off-LOS routes, they do not get very far upfield before slanting in, whereas the On LOS routes get further vertically and then make a slightly different cut on the slant pattern.
Hey gschwendt(or any others), would you mind playing a game for me and posting the video?
I would love to see Utah play at home against BYU. I'd like to see Utah wearing all red uniforms againt BYU wearing all white. You can play on All-American or Heisman, but preferably Heisman so I can see how Heisman plays in this years game compared to the All-American videos I've seen you post/play so far. Thanks in advance!!
I second that request, and I'd like to heap another demand on top of it: Can you take a (custom) playbook that has that new Ace Panther Trips formation and run a few plays from it? It's one of only a handful of new formations this year and I'm curious to see it in action.
I thought about that. However, the on-LOS routes do not always get further vertically than the slants running off-LOS. Look at 3:42 (I-form). Both receivers (both on and off the LOS) travel the same distance vertically, 4 yards past the LOS, before making their cuts (ignore the incorrect play art, which shows both players traveling a yard upfield before cutting). You can see both receivers start to turn just as they cross the solid white yard line. So vertical distance isn't a distinguishing factor. This leaves us with the angle of the slant itself. In the I-form example, the receiver off the LOS runs at an angle that is (very) slightly more shallow then the receiver on the LOS whose angle is slightly deeper (and he's the one who's always open). However, at 5:59, it's the inside receiver on the LOS who runs the flatter slant and gets open, while the outside receiver off the LOS, who has the slightly deeper pattern, is always covered. So the degree of angle doesn't seem to be the difference either.
Even disregarding the above, if my eyes are deceiving me and it's just the unique drawing of each slant pattern that is producing the "always covered or always open" phenomenon, then it just so happens as a matter of amazing coincidence that every "always covered" slant route happens to be drawn for receivers off the LOS, while every "always open" slant route happens to be assigned to the receiver on the LOS, producing a sort of ridiculous rule of thumb for when slant routes are money, and when they'll always be shut down. Also, of course, the fact that very slight differences in slant routes would produce results of "always open or always covered" is itself ridiculous.
Ultimately, you should never get results where receivers are always open or always covered. Bama's CB's are excellent, and so are FSU's receivers. On any given play, there should be some variability on how frequently the receivers are able to get open.
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Have you guys heard about this?? Any hints/clues/ideas on what it is? Any details would be great!
The biggest diffrence I saw for gameplay during the demo was the ability to run the ball out of the shotgun. Last yeat I never called any runs bc they never worked and with Oregon I got some good results. It's still kinda hard to tell for sure with the limited 2 min qtrs. What else can u tell me about runing out on the shotgun they I might have missed with the demo?
plus didn't one play have only 2 WR's and the other had 4....wouldn't that change how the D reacts??
and what effect would calling "press" have ??
I have genuinely no idea what he could possibly be hyping.
And even if I did, we wouldn't be able to "steal thunder" any more than Bumble.
Not the pre-play audible, but actual plays with "Press" coverage -- i.e. bump and run.
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On the very first play (RETAIL) of Ace Big Quick Slants (FSU) versus Dime Normal 2 Man Under (Alabama) in Practice mode, the WR on the left was absolutely blanketed ... and the WR on the right had about two steps on the CB. That happened about 50% of the time in my quick little test.
So far, on SG Spread Slants Bubble, they've been stride-for-stride every time (but my WRs have inside position, so I couldn't care less).
I see a little bit of what you're talking about, but I would expect decent coverage for man vs a slant. But I don't see an absolute "always open" versus "always coverage" either way.
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The number of receivers is irrelevant. The defense was 2 Man Under from the Dime for every play, which means that every receiver was guarded by a defender whose responsibility was to cover his man. There is no "change in how the D reacts" when you're talking about a cornerback covering a WR in man coverage because his assignment is simply to cover the receiver.
I don't know what effect press coverage would have, but that doesn't matter. Under no circumstances should you be able to have a receiver run the same route against the same defender in man coverage and get open every single time with one play and be covered every single time in man coverage on another play, when running the same route. There are terms for when that happens...it's called "broken play" and "money play." Even against Bama's corners, when you're running Ace Big Quick Slants 20 times and FSU's slant receivers don't get open a single time....it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the play is screwed up.
I know exactly what it is, and I can't tell you.
That's just mean.
I'll check and see where I have CPU PC at. I'll report back here when I play.
I know. Sorry!That's just mean.
Any idea when they'll let us know?I know. Sorry!
This is encouraging. At least from what you've described, it sounds like the route has been fixed in the retail version to where there's at least some variability in a given play on whether the slant gets open or not, which is how it should be. In terms of how "decent" the coverage is against the route (i.e., how frequently the receiver gets open), I would certainly hope that it would depend to a good extent on the ratings of the receivers vs. the guy covering him.
Some time between now and forever.
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