"Coach Mode" Xbox 360 OD anyone?

[Cipher 8]

That's right, I would. Again, just my opinion but for me, fake names kill some of the experience and enjoyment. But a universal roster file would be fine - I'd prefer it to no names at all.

And new recruits always have names so how am I only thinking in the immediate term?

I'm saying all the current players in college football will be gone after four seasons, after that it's all computer generated players that you recruited. Are you saying you would rather it not generate names for them and just have players have numbers and no names at all? Ick. That would ruin the dynasty IMO.

[morsdraconis]

It's this simple Cipher, the creator of the dynasty decided we're starting at teams. Don't like it? Then this isn't the dynasty for you. It's supposed to be hard. It's not supposed to be easy. The difference between a school and a school is significant, and it's not just about the ratings of the rosters. It's about the prestige enabling you to go after and sometimes even recruits right from the start. How is that far at all? It's not, not at all.

[Cipher 8]

I'm just saying either way the best you can possibly end up at for your second contract is a head coach. Then from there it's even. We're talking about schools once they've been picked over there really isn't anything left that others will want to choose. Again I have to want to spend my time on this dynasty and if it's not fun at all and the teams I can choose from don't interest me at all why would I join. The two star schools that have a lower than B OVR are basically the same caliber of teams that are 1 star but it gives more of a selection and there are a couple of schools I would settle with. You do have a point with the type of recruits you could potentially get but who honestly cares about the recruits you get at your 1 or 2 star prestige school... nobody is going to stay their very long anyways. I'll take your advice that this league isn't for me although I would've loved to have joined but not with any of the remaining teams. I'll start another one I guess that's not so intimidating and restricting.

[Coach Kernzy]

Cipher 8, it looks like you are starting your own OD to do things the way you want so we'll stick with the premise we started with here. If you want to join here we'd like to have you and as you said if you joined here you'd only be with that 1 star team probably 1 or two seasons at the most and then you'd have your pick if you do well so you wouldn't be with a team you didn't want for long.
Either way good luck in whatever you decide, this league or yours.

[SmoothPancakes]

Alright, I've decided and I'll go ahead and join. I'm not sure yet who my team is going to be. I've got it down to between going with the "local" (as in located in Ohio) team in Kent State, or going the rivalry route and pairing up against natcret and taking Florida International.

[morsdraconis]

Smooth, if you're interested, I'd be fine with switching out Army for someone else if they're a team you'd like to play.

[SmoothPancakes]

Smooth, if you're interested, I'd be fine with switching out Army for someone else if they're a team you'd like to play.

Oh no, you all good man. Army was never really on radar to begin with when I first saw this OD. As a Navy fan, I don't know if I'd be more tempted to run Army further into the ground at the cost of my coaching career or not.

[Cipher 8]

Cipher 8, it looks like you are starting your own OD to do things the way you want so we'll stick with the premise we started with here. If you want to join here we'd like to have you and as you said if you joined here you'd only be with that 1 star team probably 1 or two seasons at the most and then you'd have your pick if you do well so you wouldn't be with a team you didn't want for long.
Either way good luck in whatever you decide, this league or yours.

Yeah I'm just gauging interest but if I don't get any replies or nothing I still might just cut my losses and join. I hope we can get both leagues going steady and both have a good dynasty going though. I'll still will check here from time to time for any discussion on Coach Mode and what your league is doing if that's all right.

[Coach Kernzy]

9 owners now after adding SmoothPancakes. Welcome.

North Texas - AustinWolv
Army - morsdraconis
Idaho - NavyKnight
Western Michigan - Coach Kernzy
FAU - natcret
? - Cody
Memphis - Underdog
Washington St - JBHuskers
Kent St OR FIU - SmoothPancakes

[Coach Kernzy]

Bout time to start ironing out some specifics since we are filling up.
Think morsdraconis has already spelled out how we'd progress to other jobs and the pace at which that can happen. Since I think we're all starting as a 1star HC at 1star schools we can only take a 2star jump at the most but...

If you take a new job should you have to keep that job for a certain # of seasons or should you be allowed to change jobs every season if you want?

Next are there any other suggestions for rules or guidelines or anything of the sort?

I'm thinking the initial setup will be as follows, any objections or other ideas?

All-American skill
All-American recruiting
8 min qtrs (maybe 7)
We can adjust sliders and penalties on a weekly basis if necessary as we get started

What else guys?

[SmoothPancakes]

I will say one thing, this is going to be the nice thing about it being a coach mode dynasty, we won't have to worry about people trying to imitate East Room cheesers. That will certainly be a welcome relief, and A LOT LESS rules for us that most dynasties usually have to have to make sure people don't try and cheese.

As for the other stuff, for now, I'd agree with All-American skill and recruiting. I've had some issues with CPU cheating in Heisman in the past, so I am still very weary of playing on Heisman. Granted, we won't know for sure which one is best until we all get our hands on the game. Quarter length, 7-8 is usually the length I typically play on in offline dynasty, so either one works for me.

Agreed on the sliders and penalties. We can all trade some sliders the first week of the game as we try to find a universal set of sliders that we all are agreeable with and will work for us, and then as we get into the meat of the dynasty and start knocking out weeks and seasons, we can make adjustments along the way that we feel need to be made to make the game play better.

As for moving around once we get out of our starting job. That I'm either way on. If you keep jumping around every season or every other season, as has been stated by JB and the other community guys, it will hurt you as a coach in your coach prestige and recruiting with Coach Integrity (if I am remembering the details and names correctly).

On the other hand, if we have a rule that forces you to stay at a school for a minimum of two years, or a minimum of at least one full contract, before moving on to your next job, with as sort of casual as we are going to be with everything and not rushing to advance multiple times per week or anything, seasons will take longer than most typical dynasties (unless we're all voluntarily knocking out games and weeks in a matter of days by playing often and regularly) and it will make things a long time, both in game and in real life, before we really start to get to the point where we're hitting those top tier programs and our dream jobs.

Now for me, it makes no difference. I'm fine with a slower moving, slower advancing up the ranks dynasty, as one of my personal offline dynasties, I have serious advancement restrictions in place where I won't even be allowed to think about accepting a coordinator job at a or higher program, nor will I even have a chance to try being a head coach (at a or less mid-major program), until AT LEAST season 6 or 7 of my dynasty.

[HawkFan]

You know I have read and reread this thread for the past few days and thought long and hard about it, because well I like JBhuskers has never done a coach mode dynasty. But I was hoping you would have a spot for me. Let me look through the teams and I will choose one. That is if you have room for me.

[SmoothPancakes]

You know I have read and reread this thread for the past few days and thought long and hard about it, because well I like JBhuskers has never done a coach mode dynasty. But I was hoping you would have a spot for me. Let me look through the teams and I will choose one. That is if you have room for me.

We still have room for you man. Only 9 people officially in the dynasty at the moment, so three spots still left to be claimed.

[HawkFan]

We still have room for you man. Only 9 people officially in the dynasty at the moment, so three spots still left to be claimed.

If that's the case sign me up for New Mexico.

[SmoothPancakes]

If that's the case sign me up for New Mexico.

Sweet! Glad to have you on board! Two more people and we have ourselves a full ship!

[HawkFan]

So if I am gathering all of this, we can choose to be a head coach or a coordinator in this dynasty? Because if that's the case I am definitely going to still go with the coordinator route. Seems more challenging, although everything about being a team is challenging.

[SmoothPancakes]

So if I am gathering all of this, we can choose to be a head coach or a coordinator in this dynasty? Because if that's the case I am definitely going to still go with the coordinator route. Seems more challenging, although everything about being a team is challenging.

Yeah, we can choose to start as either head coach or coordinator. I think most, if not everyone else is planning on starting as a head coach. I'm still undecided of whether or not I wish to start as head coach or start as a coordinator as well.

[HawkFan]

Whats everybody's opinion on starting head coach or just coordinator. I know in my private OD with two guys i always have them with (going back to the days of mailing memory cards) we are doing one star coordinators but we are not playing coach mode and our stick skills will help a lot. I see the benefit to being head coach in a coach mode dynasty, but that draw of being a coordinator and working my way up to a head coach seems too good to pass up as well.

[morsdraconis]

Well, going by the idea of playing a minimum of one game a week (though my excitement level for this dynasty is going to make me want to play more than one game a week), if we start a week after the drop of the game (give everyone time to get the game, work out some rudimentary sliders, and maybe get some early named rosters), that gives us 51 weeks to get in as much of the game as possible. Considering it takes 18 weeks to finish a season (15 regular season games, Conference Championship Week, Bowl Week, and Offseason Recruiting), that's almost 3 full seasons in a year worth of playing. Not exactly a lot of time to really get anything going with this when you really think about it, unfortunately. We may have to considering possibly increasing the time to get stuff done in.

Maybe think about going as quickly as we can, but also understanding that people have lives outside of the game and shit is gonna come up. Have no real set time limit for advancing or anything, but we also won't wait multiple days for one person to get their shit done (unless it's the commish ). You set a time limit of one game per week, it's inevitably going to cause someone to only play their game at the last possible moment every week instead of getting it done at an earlier time. Again, something to think about that goes into the next thing.

Jumping from school to school definitely has drawbacks when it comes to Coach Integrity within the recruiting of the schools though it's unknown how much of a role it actually plays in recruiting and if it actually has any effect on whether or not a recruit is going to want to go to your school. I say we don't have any restrictions besides the ones I outlined before. If people want to tempt their fate by jumping ship early numerous times, then so be it. Me, personally, depending on how my first year goes with my team, I might actually be tempted to stick with my team instead of jumping ship.

As for other rules or the ones you outlined, I'm interested to see how many plays 8 minute quarters equates to in '12 and how much of a difference 9 minute quarters will make instead. I've been playing on 9 minute quarters for the last two years of the game as it just seems to create more opportunities for realistic looking stats and game scores. I'd definitely be interested to see how that works out for us coach mode guys since we won't have full control over the players on the field and thus may have more defensive battles than we may normally have if we were actually controlling the players on the field.

I'm definitely all for All American settings as I think the CPU just plays smarter on defense on All American when compared to Heisman (aka blitz city). I'm not sure if we actually need All American recruiting settings though. That will need to remain to be seen in my opinion because starting with teams, we'll be struggling to get decent players our first season, much less any players and it's even worse with higher recruiting difficulty settings. Again, I think we should do a bit of testing before we finalize that setting.

[HawkFan]

all of what mors said +1