Jim Tressel Has Resigned

[ram29jackson]

Calling a former military member a scrub? Rather manly of you, considering he put his name and word out there, citing future star NFL players who drove around in junk cars and if they *were* on the take surely didn't flaunt it, so at the least they are a whole lot smarter than O$U's players. He addresses your subjective point clearly in his article in regards to "......thats because he wasnt good enough to be or cared to be around it. That doesnt mean it wasnt going down."

Could it be a 'hide' piece? Sure. But I put more faith in a former military vet who played for UT to live his dream than some guy posting on TGT forums, using the old 'well, everyone else must be doing it' argument.

Hey Jeff, I'm lurking, just not posting a lot. Young kids and lots of work will do that to ya. That and not wanting to burn out on NCAA too early.

I wasnt mocking him so much as just saying what the reality is in college football as a whole. As long as you have boosters and hangers on, it doesnt matter how upright the organization looks or actually is. There will still be plenty of white envelopes and other violations going on.

I'm not saying I agree with it or that there arent plenty of good people to balance it out,individuals can make their own choice . if the NCAA really tried, 50 schools would be in violation but you cant spread the flashlight around that much. Who knows, Texas might be decent? but if they are, they are in the minority.

[SmoothPancakes]

Pryor's driving privileges have been suspended for 90 days because he failed to produce proof of insurance when he was pulled over for a stop-sign violation on Feb. 19 in Columbus. Pryor received repeated requests to appear in traffic court to show that he had valid insurance before he eventually paid a $141 fine and court costs on April 2. But Ohio authorities say he has never produced proof of insurance.

Apparently dumbass never learned. Got pulled over on Feb. 19th for a stop sign violation. And in the video on ESPN yesterday, the douchebag go and rolls right through a stop sign without even trying to stop. I'm not very educated in the whole aspect of police and video, but is it possible for Pryor to get cited for that due to a video clearly showing him blowing right through a stop sign or does a cop physically need to witness the event? And what about driving on a suspended license?

[souljahbill]

Apparently dumbass never learned. Got pulled over on Feb. 19th for a stop sign violation. And in the video on ESPN yesterday, the douchebag go and rolls right through a stop sign without even trying to stop. I'm not very educated in the whole aspect of police and video, but is it possible for Pryor to get cited for that due to a video clearly showing him blowing right through a stop sign or does a cop physically need to witness the event? And what about driving on a suspended license?

I don't know if they have them where you are but here in Baton Rouge, we have those accident causing red light cameras. If they can give you a ticket via automatic camera, I sure they could do it via video if they wanted to pursue it.


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[AustinWolv]

I wasnt mocking him so much as just saying what the reality is in college football as a whole. As long as you have boosters and hangers on, it doesnt matter how upright the organization looks or actually is. There will still be plenty of white envelopes and other violations going on.

And you just touched on the difference between schools that try to comply with the rules and those that don't. And that is exactly why USC got busted, why OSU is getting busted..............boosters and such will cheat and if someone really wanted to hide stuff, they could be super-secretive, but the difference that you touched upon? Does the school or coaching staff know and if they do, what do they do about it???
That article shows what being proactive is about, so if some Texas player did take something, that player would have to successfully hide it and not flaunt it and the school + coaching staff is showing that they are committed to not have it happen. Compare that to OSU saying they did 'spot checks' and their administration making jokes earlier this year about the tatt-gate issue and saying they didn't find any problems during their 'supposed' internal investigation.

Intent shows a lot to the NCAA.

[SmoothPancakes]

dude, you are talking about morals and intelligence and none of that applies here.
Major college sports is a black market..yes of course people are responsible for their actions but this is a privileged world in major ncaa sports. You cant compare guys who inlist in the military or military colleges to self absorbed all star athletes.

and even some of the best raised kids dont think properly at that young age. The older you get you will realize no kid gets it. Thats called wisdom and takes a while to sink in.
they are still influenced by the people around them and when a top 20 school bends all the rules, that is considered the norm and everyone follows..each individual has to take his own life into account, but on a mass level you cant blame the kids as much as leaders who make it and let it happen.

sure,we all say a scholorship is enough but in truth, thats minimal exchange for national tv exposure and everything else that comes with it

And they need to start changing that if it's a black market. If you get caught like Pryor, Clarett, Bush, etc, hell, strip them permanently of all eligibility, strip them of their athletic scholarships, if the NCAA could get away with it, kick their ass out of college. They need to make this shit a death sentence to players who are caught doing this shit.

And yes, I still say they are as much to blame, and to me, more than, as the coaches and administration. While the coaches and administrations need to do MORE than what they are now to make sure none of this is happening, it still all STARTS with the players. It takes a player accepting this crap to begin this whole process. Again, every orientaton and meeting and class they go through, they know DAMN WELL that this crap they are doing and accepting are entirely illegal.

It's called these "I'm gonna take what I want and don't give a damn about the laws/rules" douchebags are being recruited for their athletic talent and that only. If the NCAA and schools would start actually giving a damn about the STUDENT portion of student athlete again, and not be admitting these dumbass 20 IQ atheletes solely for their ability to run a football, we'd be able to run these thugs out of the school and clean shit up.

And I don't give a damn what the hell they think they are entitled to or should receive "because their scholarship is minimal exchange for national tv exposure and everything else that comes with it". They KNOW that legally, that scholarship is ALL that they can receive. If they have a problem with that, then don't sign the goddamn thing. They have absolutely no problem signing and accepting that scholarship, and the limitations of it, when they're in HS.

And if they're too immature or too stupid to realize what they are signing and agreeing to when they sign that scholarship, and don't like it later, too goddamn bad. You should have paid a little more attention earlier when you agreed to it. I can't sign a contract for something here in the real world and then decided 6 months later or a year later that I don't like it because I didn't bother to read it all and take the time to realize what I'm signing.

I'm only 24, I sit here working long ass hours and don't get paid as much as I think I should, but you don't see me taking money from the cash box, or putting down a bunch of hours I didn't work. And while not a direct analogy, it's similar. These players think they should be getting more than just their scholarship, and are taking money from other sources. I think I should get paid more from my job, but I don't take money from other sources or through other processes.

And for the record, I think they should be damn glad they get a scholarship and free ride. Even with a partial academic scholarship that I got, I still will be paying student loans off for a while. Yet they're bitching because even though they are getting their college entirely paid for, and a good portion will be making hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars in four years or less (especially these top talent players who WILL be going into the NFL, and are the ones getting caught), they think they should get a bunch of stuff right now. Bullshit.

And for the people saying "well, they're practicing every day, have team meetings and other stuff that make it impossible to have a job at all or have a job that they can make any money worth a damn at", it's called compromise. You want to play college football, you're gonna have to suck it up and deal with not being able to work. You want to work and get money to spend, don't play college football. It's called making choices. People do it in the real world. These crybaby bitches can suck it up and do the same thing.

[souljahbill]

And they need to start changing that if it's a black market. If you get caught like Pryor, Clarett, Bush, etc, hell, strip them permanently of all eligibility, strip them of their athletic scholarships, if the NCAA could get away with it, kick their ass out of college. They need to make this shit a death sentence to players who are caught doing this shit.

And yes, I still say they are as much to blame, and to me, more than, as the coaches and administration. While the coaches and administrations need to do MORE than what they are now to make sure none of this is happening, it still all STARTS with the players. It takes a player accepting this crap to begin this whole process. Again, every orientaton and meeting and class they go through, they know DAMN WELL that this crap they are doing and accepting are entirely illegal.

It's called these "I'm gonna take what I want and don't give a damn about the laws/rules" douchebags are being recruited for their athletic talent and that only. If the NCAA and schools would start actually giving a damn about the STUDENT portion of student athlete again, and not be admitting these dumbass 20 IQ atheletes solely for their ability to run a football, we'd be able to run these thugs out of the school and clean shit up.

And I don't give a damn what the hell they think they are entitled to or should receive "because their scholarship is minimal exchange for national tv exposure and everything else that comes with it". They KNOW that legally, that scholarship is ALL that they can receive. If they have a problem with that, then don't sign the goddamn thing. They have absolutely no problem signing and accepting that scholarship, and the limitations of it, when they're in HS.

And if they're too immature or too stupid to realize what they are signing and agreeing to when they sign that scholarship, and don't like it later, too goddamn bad. You should have paid a little more attention earlier when you agreed to it. I can't sign a contract for something here in the real world and then decided 6 months later or a year later that I don't like it because I didn't bother to read it all and take the time to realize what I'm signing.

I'm only 24, I sit here working long ass hours and don't get paid as much as I think I should, but you don't see me taking money from the cash box, or putting down a bunch of hours I didn't work. And while not a direct analogy, it's similar. These players think they should be getting more than just their scholarship, and are taking money from other sources. I think I should get paid more from my job, but I don't take money from other sources or through other processes.

And for the record, I think they should be damn glad they get a scholarship and free ride. Even with a partial academic scholarship that I got, I still will be paying student loans off for a while. Yet they're bitching because even though they are getting their college entirely paid for, and a good portion will be making hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars in four years or less (especially these top talent players who WILL be going into the NFL, and are the ones getting caught), they think they should get a bunch of stuff right now. Bullshit.

And for the people saying "well, they're practicing every day, have team meetings and other stuff that make it impossible to have a job at all or have a job that they can make any money worth a damn at", it's called compromise. You want to play college football, you're gonna have to suck it up and deal with not being able to work. You want to work and get money to spend, don't play college football. It's called making choices. People do it in the real world. These crybaby bitches can suck it up and do the same thing.

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[SmoothPancakes]

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Not mad, just trying to emphatically get my point/opinion across.

[AustinWolv]

Smooth, I hear ya. And know that not all of them athletes are like the entitled ones.

For some humor, and not trying to pile on Jeff too much as he's like one of the few rational good O$U fans out there, but this is just too amusing of a quote not to share from Tom Dienhart over at Rivals:

3. Heads in the sand. The more I think about it, the more I wonder: Will Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee and athletic director Gene Smith survive in Columbus? With all that is alleged to have gone on, it's difficult to believe neither Gee nor Smith had any inkling of some of the stuff that's alleged to have been taking place. And if they were totally in the dark, well, shame on them for being totally clueless about their football program. Gee looks especially dubious. Tressel's resignation makes Gee's comments at a news conference in March look even sillier. When asked if he would fire Tressel, Gee laughed and said, "No, are you kidding me? Let me be very clear. I'm just hoping the coach doesn't dismiss me." That quote will haunt Gee, who comes off as a jock-sniffer in a bow tie.

[souljahbill]

Not mad, just trying to emphatically get my point/opinion across.

Honestly, I didn't think you were mad. I just figured the picture would be a funny response to your rant.


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[morsdraconis]

...Awesome rant...

I very much agree with everything. The whole NCAA, university, and student athlete thing is such a joke, it's becoming played out.

[JBHuskers]

http://www.sportspickle.com/news/659...stered-in-ohio

[AustinWolv]

“The Gulfstream is his,” said Craig Pryor. “We bought him a used Toyota Camry before his freshman year and he traded it in for the plane. End of story.”

LOL

[SmoothPancakes]

Smooth, I hear ya. And know that not all of them athletes are like the entitled ones.

For some humor, and not trying to pile on Jeff too much as he's like one of the few rational good O$U fans out there, but this is just too amusing of a quote not to share from Tom Dienhart over at Rivals:

Oh no, I'm very much glad there are still tons of honest, clean athletes that are smart and actually follow the rules. If something could just be done about these entitled, "future superstar" players that think they deserve this and that and should get and damn the NCAA and it's rules, college football and college sports in general would be cleaned up in a hurry.

Honestly, I didn't think you were mad. I just figured the picture would be a funny response to your rant.

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Oh, I was laughing this morning when I saw that picture. That was a good call. Completely forgot to edit the into my response to that picture.

I very much agree with everything. The whole NCAA, university, and student athlete thing is such a joke, it's becoming played out.

Yeah, it's been getting to that point for years. I honestly hope someone will come in and something get set up between the NCAA, the NFL, and all these "lesser" professional football leagues and have it be like Major League Baseball. Go to the "minor leagues" out of high school if you want and play football professionally and get paid for it and maybe work your way into the NFL. If you really want to earn an education while playing football, and aren't just using these scholarships as nothing but a means to play football for 3 years and get money under the table from boosters before going onto the NFL, then go and play college football.

All I know is something needs to be done to either completely eliminate this booster money crap, and either reel in these self entitled douchebag athletes or keep them from ruining future teams for universities and future athletes. Because of Reggie Bush (and others), the current USC players are paying the penalty for something he did long before they arrived on campus. Same thing at Ohio State when the penalties come down in the future. Future players are going to pay the price for Pryor and these other players, who will be long gone earning millions in the NFL and not give a damn about what their stupidity did and what they caused to have happen to Ohio State. You think Pryor's really going to give a damn that he directly had a hand in bringing a ton of penalties down upon Ohio State and ruining chances of B10 championship games or bowl games or national titles for future Ohio State players? Hell no. All he's going to care about is what will he blow a million dollars on next.

[oweb26]

Smooth I think you are right on point with some variation of a "minor league" .

Though I really do believe as the system stands today we need to do away with this notion that we are dealing with "amateur athletes".

I really think you are taking this entirely too personal though, if you look at it from a high profile athletes perspective, you are getting paid roughly 100,000 over a 4 year time span. THe college during the same time span is getting paid roughly 1-5 million dollars yearly off of the work you are doing does this math really equal out?? You cant compare that you are working long hours and you aren't stealing, you aren't getting raped like these so called "amatuer athletes" are either.

That about where I stopped reading your really long rant at.

[SmoothPancakes]

Smooth I think you are right on point with some variation of a "minor league" .

Though I really do believe as the system stands today we need to do away with this notion that we are dealing with "amateur athletes".

I really think you are taking this entirely too personal though, if you look at it from a high profile athletes perspective, you are getting paid roughly 100,000 over a 4 year time span. THe college during the same time span is getting paid roughly 1-5 million dollars yearly off of the work you are doing does this math really equal out?? You cant compare that you are working long hours and you aren't stealing, you aren't getting raped like these so called "amatuer athletes" are either.

That about where I stopped reading your really long rant at.

I'm just sick of seeing college football as a whole and entire teams ruined for future players because of a selfish few who think they are more special then everyone else and entitled to certain things, when they aren't entitled to anything. That's probably why I seem to be taking it too personal. I'm just tired of the never ending bull from this stuff. And while definitely nowhere near on the same scale, I get paid birdseed essentially to talk certain things up on air that in turn makes our market, and then Clear Channel as a whole, thousands and thousands of dollars more each year than they would have made, while I don't see anything from that extra money in my paycheck. So like I said, definitely not a direct analogy, but I do feel the same way at times.

And still, sure, they may get $100,000 or however much of free education compared to the millions the schools and NCAA are making, but that never changes. These kids KNOW this before they ever get out of high school. The NCAA and schools didn't make it some giant secret that just suddenly leaked out last year or something. Like I said, if these players have such a major problem with this stuff, don't sign and agree to the scholarship. They aren't being forced to play college football. Playing college football is a choice. They choose to play and choose to take on all the complications that come with it (the school and NCAA making money off of you, being unable to work at all or work much, etc), none of this has ever changed, it's always been the same year after year.

[oweb26]

I'm just sick of seeing college football as a whole and entire teams ruined for future players because of a selfish few who think they are more special then everyone else and entitled to certain things, when they aren't entitled to anything. That's probably why I seem to be taking it too personal. I'm just tired of the never ending bull from this stuff. And while definitely nowhere near on the same scale, I get paid birdseed essentially to talk certain things up on air that in turn makes our market, and then Clear Channel as a whole, thousands and thousands of dollars more each year than they would have made, while I don't see anything from that extra money in my paycheck. So like I said, definitely not a direct analogy, but I do feel the same way at times.

And still, sure, they may get $100,000 or however much of free education compared to the millions the schools and NCAA are making, but that never changes. These kids KNOW this before they ever get out of high school. The NCAA and schools didn't make it some giant secret that just suddenly leaked out last year or something. Like I said, if these players have such a major problem with this stuff, don't sign and agree to the scholarship. They aren't being forced to play college football. Playing college football is a choice. They choose to play and choose to take on all the complications that come with it (the school and NCAA making money off of you, being unable to work at all or work much, etc), none of this has ever changed, it's always been the same year after year.

But lets be honest here if playing football is all you can do (which I think is safe to assume that it all most of them can do, see:T. Pryor) and thats how you choose to make your living then they shoudl be able to without getting raped in the process, or going through a system that is designed to make money off them for in essence free.

Actually the amount of money college football makes now its 10x if not more than what they made say 30 years ago when alot of these rules were made, so the entire landscape has changed and so shoudl the rules.

I will use Texas as an example a quick google search shows they made 72.95 million in 2009, in 2010 they made 92 million, which 68 million of it was pure profit. Tell me how you can justify kids playing football for 100,000 stretched over 4-5 years is worth the same now, when the school football program alone has almost doubled its income.

This isn't 1960 when you play for the school and everything is great and its not a booming business, we are talking about a one billion dollar industry. They have labor laws for any other business in this situation.

[SmoothPancakes]

But lets be honest here if playing football is all you can do (which I think is safe to assume that it all most of them can do, see:T. Pryor) and thats how you choose to make your living then they shoudl be able to without getting raped in the process, or going through a system that is designed to make money off them for in essence free.

Actually the amount of money college football makes now its 10x if not more than what they made say 30 years ago when alot of these rules were made, so the entire landscape has changed and so shoudl the rules.

I will use Texas as an example a quick google search shows they made 72.95 million in 2009, in 2010 they made 92 million, which 68 million of it was pure profit. Tell me how you can justify kids playing football for 100,000 stretched over 4-5 years is worth the same now, when the school football program alone has almost doubled its income.

This isn't 1960 when you play for the school and everything is great and its not a booming business, we are talking about a one billion dollar industry. They have labor laws for any other business in this situation.

If that's all they can do, then they'll make plenty of money in the NFL. If the NFL is their only hope of money, a career, or success in their life, then their ass shouldn't be in college ruining things for other athletes. And what about all the other athletes? Should baseball players get paid? Basketball? What about tennis? Soccer? Lacrosse? They're athletes too. They can't work or can't work as many hours as non-athletes since they're busy with stuff for their sport too. Some schools (not all since some lose money on these other sports, but some) are making money off of them. Even if football is the cash cow of college sports, what makes football players so special over other athletes? Why should football players get paid but everyone gets the middle finger? There's a reason why college athletes don't get paid, because if that happens, a whole TON of cans of worms are being opened in the process.

[ram29jackson]

North Carolina
Florida State
USC
Ohio State
Auburn- if he isnt doing anything wrong, why is he throwing a laptop out a window?
Notre Dame- the negligence of not telling the kid the weather was too bad falls into this category.
SMU wasnt a dark tragedy, it was the blueprint that showed, this is how you win. The Miami Hurricanes of the 80s etc

schools bending the rules and doing everything they can to get the best players ,or preparing for the next game being the most important thing to do are the norm, the standard. Not the rare exception.

[AustinWolv]

BTW, the example of Texas rolling in all that money is rather rare. Only a handful or perhaps half-a-handful of schools in the US roll in that much money like Texas. Most schools, especially non-BSC ones, couldn't afford pay programs for all their athletes, much less expect the football program alone to fund such a thing considering a lot of football programs out there actually pay for other sports to exist. Most schools simply don't have that kind of money to pay athletes.

Who does you ask?

The BCS, which is a fucking sham and is making people rich off at the expense of the schools as much as the football players.

[ram29jackson]

If that's all they can do, then they'll make plenty of money in the NFL. If the NFL is their only hope of money, a career, or success in their life, then their ass shouldn't be in college ruining things for other athletes. And what about all the other athletes? Should baseball players get paid? Basketball? What about tennis? Soccer? Lacrosse? They're athletes too. They can't work or can't work as many hours as non-athletes since they're busy with stuff for their sport too. Some schools (not all since some lose money on these other sports, but some) are making money off of them. Even if football is the cash cow of college sports, what makes football players so special over other athletes? Why should football players get paid but everyone gets the middle finger? There's a reason why college athletes don't get paid, because if that happens, a whole TON of cans of worms are being opened in the process.

sports that dont garner national attention, dont have an argument...of course there will always be the pin head trying to argue that Lacrosse and womens bowling is getting screwed when no one gives a damn about them.....theres a waste of funding, womens college bowling..mens too haha