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    Mine sits in the open and I don't baby her at all. She has no scratches or anything and has only been transported three times (Home from the store and two moves.) I do need to get a can of air duster though...usually I use a toothpick which takes more time but it doesn't blow it INTO the system.

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    European Playstation Blog says PS Store not returning today
    http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2011/...e-later-today/
    The latest information I have on PlayStation Store is that we are aiming to have it live by the end of May. Contrary to popular rumours, it will not be reopening tomorrow but we will let you know here as soon as the date is confirmed.

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    US Blog says the same thing
    http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/...tenance-today/
    For those asking about the PlayStation Store, we’re still targeting restoration of all services by the end of this month. Contrary to reports, the Store will not be publishing today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gschwendt View Post
    Guess that means I can at least get on MK online for free since I can't put in the Online Pass code yet....

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    Well I was just about to ask about the PS store, guess I will wait until the end of the month. Dammit I actually the ps store I always stumble across something to buy.

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    aaawww

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    does anyone have or know anyone that has DSL extreme ? is it a good speed-connection for my PSN online football gaming fun ?

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    So out of curiosity what possible improvements could be in store for the PS4/720? I mean the PS3 already has blueray and 1080P capability as well as the ability to stream movies online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLW View Post
    So out of curiosity what possible improvements could be in store for the PS4/720? I mean the PS3 already has blueray and 1080P capability as well as the ability to stream movies online.
    Holographs.

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    I really have no idea, I can't really ask for much more? Maybe cross-fire two bad ass graphics cards in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DariusLock View Post
    I really have no idea, I can't really ask for much more? Maybe cross-fire two bad ass graphics cards in it?
    The graphics card in the PS3 is severely outdated (comparable to a Geforce 7600gt - which is about 5-6 generations behind where we are now) (same as the 360 - it's comparable to a Radeon x1800XT which is about 7-8 generations behind). Just putting one video card that's equivalent to a Geforce GTX 460 (~$200.00 to consumers) would be ginormous for video capability. Adding two of them which make them just as powerful as most high end gaming machines. Then they would just need to do a serious cooling setup (watercooled FTW) instead of some bullshit two fan system and you'd have a gaming console able to do what most computers can do (which is WAY better than what consoles do right now).

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    I don't think Microsoft and Sony want to get into another "arms" race. Everyone knows that $600 bomb Sony laid when the PS3 first came out severely hindered their momentum from launch. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all know now that $300 is the "sweet spot" for launch and if any company is going to get their console to that price, they can't go with the latest and greatest high-end tech.


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    Quote Originally Posted by morsdraconis View Post
    The graphics card in the PS3 is severely outdated (comparable to a Geforce 7600gt - which is about 5-6 generations behind where we are now) (same as the 360 - it's comparable to a Radeon x1800XT which is about 7-8 generations behind). Just putting one video card that's equivalent to a Geforce GTX 460 (~$200.00 to consumers) would be ginormous for video capability. Adding two of them which make them just as powerful as most high end gaming machines. Then they would just need to do a serious cooling setup (watercooled FTW) instead of some bullshit two fan system and you'd have a gaming console able to do what most computers can do (which is WAY better than what consoles do right now).
    This is exactly what they need to do. I would go cross-fired graphics cards, water cooled, upgraded cpu, and more memory. Then that's basically all you need with a new console and just prefect everything else you already got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morsdraconis View Post
    The graphics card in the PS3 is severely outdated (comparable to a Geforce 7600gt
    How do you figure? The RSX was based on Nvidia 7800 series architecture. And I've seen a range of comparisons suggested for idea of equivalent PC video card. Certainly have to imagine it's better than a mid-range video card that was released months before the PS3 hit market.

    Well, anyway, what the RSX compares to isn't really important. But your post suggests that if they just plug a couple new video cards into the PS3, voila we'll have a better machine. And you'd be right -- for the short term. The PS3 is nearly five years old, and when it was release it's graphics capabilities were better than what "most" consumers computers could do. Maybe not the enthusiast buying Maximum PC, but certainly your average video game. And even then, the biggest problem is taking advantage of the hardware they're given. There's a reason that PS3 and 360 games continue to improve graphically, even though the hardware hasn't changed since release in 2005-06. The engines and graphical code keep getting better. Console developers don't have DirectX, OpenGL or graphics middleware software to take advantage of.

    And, in the long term, whatever graphical choice they choose is what we'll be stuck with for five, ten, whatever years. Computers will always be on the cutting edge, graphically, compared to PCs.

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    I would go cross-fired graphics cards, water cooled
    And trust your consumers to know how to care for a water-cooled system? No chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHCross View Post
    How do you figure? The RSX was based on Nvidia 7800 series architecture. And I've seen a range of comparisons suggested for idea of equivalent PC video card. Certainly have to imagine it's better than a mid-range video card that was released months before the PS3 hit market.

    Well, anyway, what the RSX compares to isn't really important. But your post suggests that if they just plug a couple new video cards into the PS3, voila we'll have a better machine. And you'd be right -- for the short term. The PS3 is nearly five years old, and when it was release it's graphics capabilities were better than what "most" consumers computers could do. Maybe not the enthusiast buying Maximum PC, but certainly your average video game. And even then, the biggest problem is taking advantage of the hardware they're given. There's a reason that PS3 and 360 games continue to improve graphically, even though the hardware hasn't changed since release in 2005-06. The engines and graphical code keep getting better. Console developers don't have DirectX, OpenGL or graphics middleware software to take advantage of.

    And, in the long term, whatever graphical choice they choose is what we'll be stuck with for five, ten, whatever years. Computers will always be on the cutting edge, graphically, compared to PCs.
    Oh, it's most definitely gonna always be behind the curve. But, still, they need to look toward the future to make the thing actually last (and be worthwhile) for more than 3-4 years.

    The problem with the PS3 is the inability to use Microsoft's exclusive video rendering platform (DirectX). It's what 95% of the 360 and PC games are written in with the occasional game developer maximizing their game's potential with OpenGL (mainly Id Software as they were the pioneers for really pushing OpenGL to the limits with Quake and such).

    The PS3 does in fact use OpenGL, but, the major issue is, it's a VERY old version of OpenGL (basically version 1.0 with some modified libraries that's very close to being 2.0 but significantly further away from 3.0 or 4.1 - granted, those were released after the PS3 was created and so forth). Where as, the 360 is using an advanced version of Direct X 9 which makes programming for it ridiculously easy compared to programming/porting to a platform that is sadly rarely used anymore outside of the PS3.

    So, in the end, Sony is fighting a losing battle when it comes to trying to compete with basically a stripped down PC in a box. The ease of programming for the 360 is so ridiculous compared to the PS3, it's a wonder if more and more companies aren't just saying screw it and sticking with programming just for the PC and 360 and forgetting about the PS3 altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHCross View Post
    And trust your consumers to know how to care for a water-cooled system? No chance.
    Yeah, unfortunately, a water-cooled system is far too difficult to clean and maintain for your average moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morsdraconis View Post
    Oh, it's most definitely gonna always be behind the curve. But, still, they need to look toward the future to make the thing actually last (and be worthwhile) for more than 3-4 years.
    Eh ... looking "toward the future" is what got them in trouble with the PS3. I agree that there are some aspects (512 MB RAM) of the PS3 that were incredibly shortsighted. But they used a custom graphical framework that was, as far as I knew at the time, better than anything else currently on the market. You can't jump too far into the future. The PC graphics market, especially with GPU computing, has jumped so far in the last five years that no matter what Sony did they were going to be behind.

    If you've seen something I haven't, then I'll take your word for it ... but my understanding was that neither console had the ability to use OpenGL or DirectX.
    OpenGL on the PS3 is based on OpenGL|ES (OpenGL for Embedded Systems) rather than classic desktop OpenGL
    Huh ... didn't know that. That's more capability than I thought they had, but that's still a far cry from actual OpenGL. I certainly didn't know that the 360 could use DirectX. Maybe the limitations I was aware of only existed for the PS2/Xbox and earlier generations, but doesn't apply anymore.

    You are right about programming for the PS3 versus 360. I thought that was only going to bite them early, but it has clearly continued to be an influence for developers.

    Quote Originally Posted by morsdraconis View Post
    Yeah, unfortunately, a water-cooled system is far too difficult to clean and maintain for your average moron.
    To be fair, I've built PCs and I'm not willing to try a water-cooled system. Cleaning and maintaining practically anything is too difficult for your average moron, let alone something like a water-cooled system.

    Though you might be able to make a handy side job out of cleaning water-cooled PS4s. Kinda like all the house-cleaning services.
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    Ok better CPU, Cross-Fired Graphics Cards, Memory, and better fans?! Happy now Jeff lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morsdraconis View Post
    So, in the end, Sony is fighting a losing battle when it comes to trying to compete with basically a stripped down PC in a box. The ease of programming for the 360 is so ridiculous compared to the PS3, it's a wonder if more and more companies aren't just saying screw it and sticking with programming just for the PC and 360 and forgetting about the PS3 altogether.
    As long as millions of people are buying PS3's people will develop games for it. That's too huge of a market just to be like, "It's too hard...".

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    Quote Originally Posted by DariusLock View Post
    Ok better CPU, Cross-Fired Graphics Cards, Memory, and better fans?! Happy now Jeff lol.
    Hahaha. Trust me man, I'd love to see something sophisticated like a water-cooled system. I think we're going to eventually reach a point where fans aren't good enough for cooling our components (which may be why RROD is so common). But it's gotta be something that doesn't require maintenance either.

    Quote Originally Posted by DariusLock View Post
    As long as millions of people are buying PS3's people will develop games for it. That's too huge of a market just to be like, "It's too hard...".
    Eh, you're right ... but so is he. There are a lot of titles that are only developed for the 360, or developed for the PC/360, and never ported to the PS3 because of the difficulty. Maybe not the AAA titles, but there are certainly some.
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