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    Nebraska has been kicked out of the AAU. No idea if or how this affects our Big 10 membership status.

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    Perlman's letter


    Dear Colleagues:

    I have some disconcerting news. The membership of the Association of American Universities has voted to discontinue Nebraska's membership in that organization. We have known we were at risk of this for ten years, and successfully fought off a similar threat in 2000. I had hoped our extraordinary accomplishments and steep trajectory would have made us less vulnerable, but the AAU's approach to the review made this result inevitable. There was really nothing more you could have accomplished to forestall this result.

    Here is what happened.

    The AAU has a unique ranking system that ranks all research universities (including non-AAU schools). It consists of four criteria: research expenditures, National Academy members, faculty awards (from a specified list), and citations. An institution's productivity on each of these criteria is “normalized” by the number of tenure track faculty. Each institution is then ranked in accordance with these “normalized” criteria and the average ranking is the overall ranking for each institution. In accordance with this system, we were ranked last among AAU institutions. A number of non-AAU institutions received a higher rank than UNL and a higher rank than 14 other AAU institutions.

    The ranking system put us at a disadvantage because of the way NU's system is organized with separate flagship and medical campuses. A large majority of AAU institutions have medical schools and are allowed to count medical research data. With UNMC's research included we would have had research expenditures above many other AAU institutions. Medical schools are both research intensive and also have a high ratio of research per tenure track faculty because many of their faculty who produce research are not “tenure track faculty” and thus not counted. Thus having a medical school is a disproportionate advantage in the AAU rankings that UNL did not enjoy.

    The second disadvantage we face is that AAU inappropriately devalues agricultural research. It does not count any research funded by USDA (or by any private-sector interest) in the overall ranking. However, it does count agricultural faculty in the number used to normalize the rankings. The result is the ranking counts agriculture faculty but not the research they produce. Because of our strong commitment as a land-grant institution to serving the State of Nebraska, we are seriously disadvantaged within the AAU ranking system.

    A third disadvantage we face is that we are a comprehensive university. Although the AAU purports to limit membership to “comprehensive” institutions, the normalization process favors those institutions narrowly focused on disciplines qualified for federal research dollars. In fact our total research expenditure is higher than two prominent, but highly specialized institutions.

    We presented a data-based argument that demonstrated the specific ways that the ranking metrics distorted UNL's actual research accomplishments, but our argument did not prevail. The AAU Membership Policies, however, provide that when an institution is reviewed the review committee should engage in a second-stage process to make a “qualitative judgment about the mission, characteristics, and trajectory” of the institution.

    I believe we had a strong case on the “second stage.” Among AAU institutions we have had the 7th largest percentage growth in research expenditures over the last decade. We have leadership or partnership roles in research with all of the highest ranked AAU institutions. We have faculty achievements that are not counted by AAU but are of equal merit. For example, no credit is given to a faculty who claims a Poet Laureate of the United States or the winner of the Bancroft Prize in History. We had thought our lack of a medical school, our land-grant obligations, and our AAU-leading research trajectory would be taken into account during this second stage. Unfortunately, the Review Committee refused to make any “qualitative judgment” that departed from the ranking and the membership went along.

    There is within AAU a group of institutions who believe the organization should be smaller and that the rankings are an appropriate measure of institutional quality. We are not the only institution to be affected and if AAU continues with this effort others will be vulnerable. In the end, while we received strong support from almost all of our Big Ten colleagues, all of our former Big 12 colleagues, and other public research universities, it was not sufficient. There were other troubling events during this process, which I may write about in another forum.

    So what does this mean for us? I do not see this development in any way impacting our momentum or diminishing our accomplishments. Although there is some reputational advantage to AAU membership, it is difficult to identify specific ways in which our membership was essential or influential in our current success. As University of Nebraska President James B. Milliken often says, we strive to be the best public university in the country as measured by the impact we have on our people and our state, and through them, the world. On that ranking, I think we are in the top tier.


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    LINCOLN — The University of Nebraska-Lincoln has been kicked out of the Association of American Universities, UNL Chancellor Harvey Perlman announced to faculty in a memorandum Friday.

    UNL's membership in one of what some describe as the nation's most prestigious academic organizations was a factor in the Big Ten Conference's decision to invite UNL as a member last year.

    All of the other Big Ten schools are AAU members -- and news reports indicate that other candidates for membership were ruled out because they were not AAU members.

    Perlman said the AAU's vote to reject UNL does not now jeopardize UNL's Big Ten status.

    "If we hadn't been in the AAU, I don't know whether they would have admitted us or not," he said.

    UNL had been a member of the AAU since 1909. Its membership had been in jeopardy in 2000, but leaders successfully made a case to be retained as a member.

    Perlman said the AAU's formula for ranking universities downgrades institutions like UNL that have a strong agricultural focus and lack a medical school. He said other AAU institutions also may be in jeopardy of losing their membership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdj View Post
    "Wow, Russell Wilson granted release by N.C. State. Can pursue football opps at other schools now ... Wow"

    Pretty surprising story...
    Will he have to wait a year to play again? Or can he play immediately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingpin32 View Post
    Will he have to wait a year to play again? Or can he play immediately?
    That is dependent on where he goes. If he stays at FBS/I-A, he has to sit a year. If he goes to a lower division, he can play immediately.

    He's a redshirt junior, so he doesn't have the option to sit a year. He has to transfer to a lower division if he wants to play in 2011. The only other option, I believe, would be for him to sit out the entire year, not even going to class.

    According to the terms of the release, Wilson cannot transfer to another ACC school or a school on N.C. State’s schedule.

    Wilson, a three-year starter who ranks second in ACC history in touchdown responsibility with 93 scores, is playing professional baseball for the Asheville Tourists and did not participate in spring practice.
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    Pac-12 gets richest TV deal

    The Pac-12 will receive about $3 billion over 12 years by selling most of its top football and basketball games to Fox and ESPN - the richest deal ever for a college conference - sources confirmed Tuesday.

    Meanwhile the conference will organize its own cable-TV network to begin in 2012.

    Cal, Stanford and the other 10 conference schools stand to make about $21 million a year from the new deal, which was first reported by the New York Times. It is worth about $250 million per year, more than quadrupling the current deal with ESPN and Fox.

    Under the Pac-10's current $60 million deal, each school received only about $6 million, and the number varied greatly depending on how many of its football games were shown.

    Pac-10 Commissioner Larry Scott, whose conference becomes the Pac-12 with the addition of Colorado and Utah on July 1, will announce the agreements Wednesday at the conference meetings in Phoenix.

    In starting its own network, the Pac-12 will follow the lead of the Big Ten, which created its own network in 2007 and also negotiated a 10-year, $1 billion deal with ESPN.

    Unlike the Big Ten Network, of which Fox has a 49 percent stake, the Pac-12 Network will be owned solely by the conference.

    "We didn't feel we had to give equity to get the broadcast and cable packages we got," Scott told the Times.

    The new deal is a major coup for Scott, the former pro tennis player and former head of the Women's Tennis Association whom the Pac-10 hired in 2009 to succeed the retiring Tom Hansen.

    The Big Ten, SEC, Big 12 and the ACC all have landed TV contracts in recent years. The numbers were impressive. For instance, the Big 12's new deal with Fox is worth $1.2 billion. But the Pac-12 deal has trumped them all.

    Being last put the Pac-12 in the driver's seat in a bidding contest among ESPN, Fox and Comcast/NBC, which was hoping to raise the profile of its Versus channel.

    Under the new deal, as outlined by the Times and confirmed by other sources, the conference's football games will be shown on ABC (like ESPN, a Disney property) and Fox - five of them in prime time each season - as well as on ESPN's various networks and FX. Basketball will be shown on the ESPN networks and Fox Sports Net. A package of the conference's so-called Olympic sports will be shown on ESPN.

    In recent years, Comcast Sports Net has contracted with Fox to show football and basketball in the Bay Area on CSNBA and CSNCA. That relationship presumably will continue in the new deal.

    ESPN and Fox will rotate the newly created Pac-12 football championship game, and the basketball tournament will alternated between the ESPN networks and Fox and FX.

    The vast majority of the conference's sports programming, except for football and men's basketball, will wind up on the new Pac-12 Network as well as a digital outlet to be created, according to reports. The Pac-12 Network will have to work out deals with existing cable and satellite distributors, but Scott told the Times his conference could follow the template of the successful Big Ten Network.

    "They did a lot of things wonderfully and successfully," he said. "They were pioneers. They were forthcoming with us. But when you're the second to do it, you get to draft behind the first one."

    Officials at Cal and Stanford declined to discuss the new TV deal until it was officially announced.

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    Can't wait for the C-USA Network

    *crickets*

    These deals are going to hurt exposure for mid-majors. Now, instead of showing a marquee mid-major matchup, all these stations will end up showing Vanderbilt vs. Kentucky or Kansas St. vs. Iowa St. just to fulfill contract obligations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by souljahbill View Post
    Can't wait for the C-USA Network

    *crickets*

    These deals are going to hurt exposure for mid-majors. Now, instead of showing a marquee mid-major matchup, all these stations will end up showing Vanderbilt vs. Kentucky or Kansas St. vs. Iowa St. just to fulfill contract obligations.
    Are you telling me that you don't to see Wake Forest vs. Duke or Rutgers vs. Syracuse on a Saturday Afternoon? You're crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWill View Post
    Are you telling me that you don't to see Wake Forest vs. Duke or Rutgers vs. Syracuse on a Saturday Afternoon? You're crazy.
    Exactly!

    I know I have a biased outlook because Southern Miss is usually contending for the C-USA East championship but I rarely get to see any games on tv and now I'm going to see them even less if the networks have to put middle-of-the-pack and lower "big boys" on tv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by souljahbill View Post
    Exactly!

    I know I have a biased outlook because Southern Miss is usually contending for the C-USA East championship but I rarely get to see any games on tv and now I'm going to see them even less if the networks have to put middle-of-the-pack and lower "big boys" on tv.
    Yeah but is like that now. I don't know how many times I've tuned in Saturday to see Northwestern playing Purdue. Usually it's fairly regional for the early games, hopefully you still get that

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    Quote Originally Posted by psuexv View Post
    Yeah but is like that now. I don't know how many times I've tuned in Saturday to see Northwestern playing Purdue. Usually it's fairly regional for the early games, hopefully you still get that
    I know that's how it is. I'm ticked because it's only going to get worse. The BCS conferences are going to go from 90% of the televised games to 95%. The only time a mid-major is going to get some tv time is Nevada/Boise St., TCU/Boise St., and Army/Navy.

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    Living in Canada, it's even tougher to get games. Yes, we get some ABC/CBS feeds and I have a subscription to the Big 10 network but there is NO ESPN license in Canada so it's really difficult to follow my team (ASU). I would love to get the PAC 12 in order to get some more variety and follow the teams closer to where I live.

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    The Big 10 has commented on Nebraska's removal from the AAU.

    Here's a statement from Big Ten associate commissioner Jennifer Heppel:

    "Nebraska is a substantial academic institution. It was when its application to join the Big Ten Conference was unanimously approved by the Big Ten Council of Presidents/Chancellors and it is today. The Big Ten Conference does not have control over other organizations' actions. We're excited for July 1st."
    Also of note today, Syracuse withdrew itself from the AAU after coming under scrutiny from other member schools.

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    The local sports radio station's biggest issue with the Pac-1012 TV deal was "this means there's no impetus for a playoff when they get this kind of money."

    Personally, I think the bigger story is that the Pac-1012 might lose their "East Coast bias" excuse since the ESPN family of networks will now be airing a significant number of games.

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    I know I'm in the minority when I say that I'm against a playoff.

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    And the Feds looking into possibly opening an antitrust inquiry into the BCS.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6479279

    WASHINGTON -- The Justice Department has sent a pointed letter to the NCAA asking why there isn't a playoff system for college football.

    The department has been urged to launch an antitrust investigation into college football's Bowl Championship Series, to ensure that some schools don't get preferential treatment in access to the national championship game.

    The Justice Department's antitrust chief, Christine Varney, asked NCAA president Mark Emmert what steps have been taken toward a playoff system.

    Varney told Emmert that his views would help the department decide the "best course of action" with the BCS.

    BCS executive director Bill Hancock says he's confident that the BCS complies with the law. The NCAA didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.
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    I love it when the government gets involved in sports.

    What I can't understand is that every single other sport there is a NCAA champion crowded... but never for football. Playoff or not, I can't believe the NCAA won't take responsibility for crowning a champ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by souljahbill View Post
    I know I'm in the minority when I say that I'm against a playoff.
    I'm with you. The BCS is fun imo. I would be fine with a plus 1 but I have ZERO interest in a playoff with 8 or more teams.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaymo76 View Post
    Living in Canada, it's even tougher to get games. Yes, we get some ABC/CBS feeds and I have a subscription to the Big 10 network but there is NO ESPN license in Canada so it's really difficult to follow my team (ASU). I would love to get the PAC 12 in order to get some more variety and follow the teams closer to where I live.
    With Bell I pay $50 to subscribe to the college package and we get a lot of extra ABC and ESPN feeds. I only missed two Michigan games all last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWill View Post
    Are you telling me that you don't to see Wake Forest vs. Duke
    They already have that. It's called Raycom Sports (I refuse to learn what the new name of that syndication channel is).

    Quote Originally Posted by psuexv View Post
    What I can't understand is that every single other sport there is a NCAA champion crowded...
    The Rose Bowl has been played every year since 1916. The first collegiate football playoff wasn't until 1953 (NAIA). You really can't understand why the bowl system is still around? I mean, I don't fully understand why they didn't change from Bowls to Playoffs in the 70s (when I-AA was formed, started a playoff, and both D2 and D3 started playoffs as well), but I'm sure you can understand why they're not running to a playoff now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy View Post
    I'm with you. The BCS is fun imo. I would be fine with a plus 1 but I have ZERO interest in a playoff with 8 or more teams.



    With Bell I pay $50 to subscribe to the college package and we get a lot of extra ABC and ESPN feeds. I only missed two Michigan games all last year.
    I'm on Shaw right now as we spent a bundle on digital/pvr a few years back so I guess I not changing providers anytime soon. However, that Bell package sounds really nice. May need to "negotiate" a new list of priorities with the wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHCross View Post
    The Rose Bowl has been played every year since 1916. The first collegiate football playoff wasn't until 1953 (NAIA). You really can't understand why the bowl system is still around? I mean, I don't fully understand why they didn't change from Bowls to Playoffs in the 70s (when I-AA was formed, started a playoff, and both D2 and D3 started playoffs as well), but I'm sure you can understand why they're not running to a playoff now.
    Oh I understand why the Bowls are still around($$$$) and I love the bowl games. I just don't understand why the NCAA has no part in naming a champion(maybe not so much now because it is its own monster, but what about in 1916 when there was only 1 bowl?).... Like I said, playoff or not, it baffles me that they crown a champion in all other sports except Football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingpin32 View Post
    Will he have to wait a year to play again? Or can he play immediately?
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHCross View Post
    That is dependent on where he goes. If he stays at FBS/I-A, he has to sit a year. If he goes to a lower division, he can play immediately. He's a redshirt junior, so he doesn't have the option to sit a year. He has to transfer to a lower division if he wants to play in 2011. The only other option, I believe, would be for him to sit out the entire year, not even going to class.
    Turns out I was wrong on this. Wilson has already graduated from NC State, so he can play at any other school, taking advantage of the same rule that allowed Jeremiah Masoli and Greg Pawlus to transfer for graduate school.
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