NCAA Football 13 Dynasty Mode Recruiting Discussion Thread

[gschwendt]

when in an online dynasty, does anyone recruit a guy hard, and hold off on offering a scholarship? or do you always offer it right away?

With Powerhouse teams, typically if I'm in the top 3 or so, I'll offer a scholarship. If I'm not in Top 3 but still in Top 10, then it will just depend on things but more than likely I'll offer him a scholarship early. For guys that I'm not in their Top 10, I'll try to hide in the grass so to speak until I can climb up his list of schools. After the first half of the season is done and my initial targets start to commit, then I'll start looking around for more players and as I slowly scout them, I'll decide whether to offer a scholarship or not. Also... always offer a scholarship if you're #1. Always a chance to get an instant commit.

For lower tier teams, I'll use the scholarship as a way to get instant interest... if he doesn't have any other scholarship offers, then that typically will at least put me in his Top 8 or so. From there I can slowly build up on him.

[jacoavlu]

you can always un-offer the schol, just take them off your board then out them back on

[baseballplyrmvp]

you can always un-offer the schol, just take them off your board then out them back on

but you wont get the points for the second scholarship offer.

[JeffHCross]

How have you proven this to yourself? Just curious. or maybe better stated, how has the community, if that's what it is, come to that conclusion?

Observation based over many dynasties over many years from many different users. You can load the same dynasty week over and over again, ad nauseam, and get different results, even with the same steps being followed. If it's not a pseudo-random (which, let's be honest, almost everything in this game is based on the same principles as a dice roll (i.e. it's pseudo-random), so why wouldn't this be?), then it's so close to it that I can't imagine there being a specific code path that would generate an instant commit.

I think there are factors that may make it more likely (which is why, late in the year, I seem to get more instants from 2*s that have been getting no attention from me, or anyone else), but at the beginning of the year? Week 1? Pretty sure it's random.

Also, the simple answer is that a random would be the easiest to code. So :: shrug ::.

Note I'm talking about instant-upon-offer. Instant-upon-call is a different thing, not random, and I'm not sure I've seen it in NCAA 13.

when in an online dynasty, does anyone recruit a guy hard, and hold off on offering a scholarship? or do you always offer it right away?

I never offer until I'm #1, unless there are either: A) enough other offers, or B) the #1 school has offered and is far enough ahead that it's possible I'm going to be left behind. Basically, if I need to offer to guarantee I'll be in the Top 5 when the kid goes from Top 8 to Top 5, I'll offer. Or if I feel like I need to close the gap to the #1 school, I'll offer then. Otherwise, not until #1. There's no real benefit otherwise.

[baseballplyrmvp]

do gems progress at a faster rate than busts? kinda hard to answer since it would take a minimum of 3-4 years multiple times to figure out.....

[gschwendt]

do gems progress at a faster rate than busts? kinda hard to answer since it would take a minimum of 3-4 years multiple times to figure out.....

No... I don't think so. I think that's just simply to highlight whether they were scouted better than originally rated.

[baseballplyrmvp]

No... I don't think so. I think that's just simply to highlight whether they were scouted better than originally rated.

i know the gem/bust label is more accurately reflected as over-rated/under-rated......i was kinda getting at when they get on campus, do the gems get higher offseason training results and the busts not get as much in offseason training?

[JeffHCross]

i know the gem/bust label is more accurately reflected as over-rated/under-rated......i was kinda getting at when they get on campus, do the gems get higher offseason training results and the busts not get as much in offseason training?

I think he got your original question ... and was saying that he didn't think the gem/bust label influenced offseason training at all. I agree with him.

[baseballplyrmvp]

sigh......robert nkemdiche decommitted from clemson today and reopened his recruitment.

oh to have this in the game....

[AKAbus]

Is there a place for someone new to go to find what everything means in recruiting and explain the points and when to offer and call strategy, when do have a recruit visit, etc?

[JeffHCross]

AKAbus, you can checkout the NCAA 12 Recruiting Compendium. It had more discussion on the type of topics you're asking for. While the interface on NCAA 13 has changed, the strategies are largely unchanged.

If you have specific questions, feel free to ask them. I'm better with specific questions than broad ones

Welcome to the site!

[prime9]

I'm in an online dynasty with 6 other users. We just started season 3, and my coach integrity has no changed at all despite me promising all of my 1st year signees 3 promises each and passing them all. Does anyone know how this could be? Other guys have maxed out integrity, or 3/4 the way full. Does the National Championship and Top 10 team promise not work this year? The reason I ask, is because I promised most of them those, whereas the other coaches promised simple things like no redshirt, good exposure, etc.

Any insight, would be appreciated.

[ralphs]

Note I'm talking about instant-upon-offer. Instant-upon-call is a different thing, not random, and I'm not sure I've seen it in NCAA 13.

I've lucked into two instant-upon-call hard commits twice in my current Texas State dynasty (just the second year).

Interestingly, even though I allocated x minutes for the call, I wasn't charged the full x.



Now if only I could reliably find some 3* gems to go with my 4* busts!

[baseballplyrmvp]

Interestingly, even though I allocated x minutes for the call, I wasn't charged the full x.

its always been like that. even with the scholarship offer commits. if you offer a scholly as your first 10 minutes of the phone call, and the recruit commits, the call will end right there; even if you wanted to talk to him for an hour, you'll only be charged for 10 minutes.

[JeffHCross]

even if you wanted to talk to him for an hour, you'll only be charged for 10 minutes.

Though I believe there was a bug with this in NCAA 13 that had to be patched post-release. But I believe that's the behavior now, yes.

[baseballplyrmvp]

free and strong safeties should be combined into just one position in recruiting. it should be up to the user to figure out who to put at each position.

[gschwendt]

free and strong safeties should be combined into just one position in recruiting. it should be up to the user to figure out who to put at each position.

Same case could be made for offensive lineman and linebackers... Maybe even defensive lineman.

[souljahbill]

I'd like that as well. Every year in position changes, I'm turning RGs into LGs and LEs into REs and whatnot. If it were just a pool of Gs, Ts, DEs, OLBs, etc., that would make things so much easier.

[baseballplyrmvp]

Same case could be made for offensive lineman and linebackers... Maybe even defensive lineman.

not so much. rivals and espn both list o-linemen as 3 groups....same with d-linemen (DE and DT) and linebackers (inside and outside). i'm not sure how scout groups players off the top of my head. safety is really the only position where they dont differentiate which position exactly they play as.

[JeffHCross]

not so much. rivals and espn both list o-linemen as 3 groups....

True, but that's because in real life there's a distinctive difference between a Left Tackle and a Center. Both in experience at the position (Center calls out blitzes and blocking protections for many teams) and in technique. Many safeties, particularly in high school, have to play both techniques because of rotation and not swapping.

But in the game there is no difference between a T and a C. Their OVR is calculated differently, but you can jump between the three easily in Position Changes. ATH recruits that could play all three used to be much more common, and really should be again. But the easier move would be to just reduce it to a single OL pool.

I don't agree with combining backers though. There's a big difference between the types of recruits you find at MLB and OLB, in the game. You could combine them, but I'd prefer to see them kept separate.

I'd like that as well. Every year in position changes, I'm turning RGs into LGs and LEs into REs and whatnot. If it were just a pool of Gs, Ts, DEs, OLBs, etc., that would make things so much easier.

For recruiting it already is a pool of Gs, Ts, DEs, etc, isn't it? I don't think they're meaning that LGs go to just G in the Roster, just in Recruiting.