It may not be 100% true but if you scout the high-star recruits who aren't getting any love, most will be busts.Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp
It may not be 100% true but if you scout the high-star recruits who aren't getting any love, most will be busts.
i think that thats mostly because the majority of 4 and 5* recruits are intentionally overrated, whereas a bunch of the 2 and 3*'s are underrated. i wouldnt think that gems and busts are randomly applied, but that they designed the elite players to be in the red a lot more. i doubt they'd want it occuring where an elite recruit somehow gets labelled as a gem and turns into a 90+ ovr true frosh.
The tackle may be the exception to the rule because OL is a common position of need. In the Powerhouse OD, we've observed a lot of players that went untouched by the CPU and were busts. Yet the OD players loved them. So we imagined that it was cause/effect. It may not be the reason (may just be a strange coincidence), and could also have been something that was tweaked with a patch or tuner.
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do you think that the cpu puts too much emphasis on whether the player will be a bust and not enough on existing talent?
Assuming we're right that the CPU avoids Busts, yes. They put an emphasis on the "Gem/Bust" factor and are not considering the final OVR. That's my read of it, at least. Personally, I care less about the Gem/Bust and more about the final OVR, and I would think the vast majority of us are the same. I'd rather a 75 OVR who was a -5 Bust versus a 70 OVR who was a +10 Gem.
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a few questions about recruiting
playing an offline dynasty as Nebraska, just finished my second season. On signing day somehow I had two extra commits and wonder what the deal is.
During the season I focused on getting a top QB and signed a 5* 76(-4) guy. I promised not to sign another QB before he was on campus, and I didn't recruit any more QBs.
I didn't try to fill all 25 scholarship, by signing day I had 22 commits which I was cool with. But somehow when I progresses from offseason recruiting week 5 to signing day, I got two more commits from players I never offered a scholarship, never scouted, never even targeted. They were definitely not on my board. One was a 3* QB and the other a juco WR.
I wondered what was up so at signing day I looked at the top classes and it listed me at 24 commits. But then looking at my recruiting board it only showed 22 (what I thought I should have). I couldn't see details of those two other guys.
When I then progressed further in offseason and got to position changes, I discover this other QB is a 3* gem 80(+13). He shows 100% scouted. WTF? The juco WR was I think a 4*.
So I'm wondering what's up. I had all the recruit assistants off. No accelerators. All my team needs had been filled. I'm not gonna complain about getting an extra 80 FR QB but now I'm wondering, does this break the promise I made to the 5* QB I signed during the season? Is this always gonna happen if I don't try to fill all 25 scholarships?
Also, if I sign an ATH and end up putting him at QB, does that break the promise I made to the QB when I said I wouldn't sign another player at his position before he arrived on campus?
Thanks in advance for any insight.
It probably will break the promise. At least I would think it would.
Are you sure you had all recruit assistance off? I've heard one other report of this happening to another member on the forum in NCAA 13, but I haven't seen it myself. In past years, the only way for this to happen was for the CPU to offer a scholarship during the offseason, which was a result of the "CPU can offer scholarships" assistance setting.
As for the QB being 100% scouted, I believe the CPU uses un-used scouting time, if you don't have any un-scouted players on your Board, on non-Board players. So that could explain that. As far as I know, there's no recruit assistance setting that dictates that.
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I've advanced now to preseason and the promise to the 5* QB I signed early is still listed as "pending". I will check again once I advance to start season.
I'm almost certain all assistance was off, I know I had turned all off deliberately and I certainly never turned any back on deliberately, I'm going to recheck the settings. I know for certain the CPU never offered any scholarships to players on my board during the season or offseason, it was only when I advanced to signing day that this happened.
For the sake of argument, if the assistance was on and the CPU was going to offer a scholarship, would the player still not show up on my recruiting board?
the only way to prevent the cpu from signing players for you in the offseason, is to sign your 25 scholarships every year. i had this happen to me in the 360 od, where i missed out on 2 5* players and a 4* in favor of a 58 ovr rb and a 61 ovr wr, and a 63 ovr cb.i was pretty mad when this happened.
if you dont max out, you'll get at least a couple of players committing to you, whom you have never talked to, scouted, or have ever put on your board. this is the second year, i believe, that its been in the game too.
Ah. Well -- great.
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Yep, I've gotten many extra kids via recruiting that came outta nowhere after week 5/Signing Day with all assistance turned off. Most of the time, they're cutting fodder but I've also gotten kids that were better then the ones I recruited.
Thanks all for the replies.
And can anyone answer the promise question?
Yes. If you don't have the assistance for "CPU can edit recruiting board" (or whatever it's called), then nothing will show on the board, but the CPU can still call/offer/other stuff. It's weird, but yes.
Not with any certainty. I don't think anyone "knows" how the promises work. But my impression, from that promise, is that signing another QB in that class will be breaking that promise, even if it wasn't your fault. The promise will probably still be pending until the end of the QB's first freshman season.
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I still wonder as well whether that promise is broken by signing an ATH that ends up at the same position as the guy that was promised. Probably won't be using that one much.
Another question on promises, when you're trying to talk a player out of transferring or leaving early for the NFL, sometimes you can't promise them anything, it says all promises used up. Is that the case because 3 promises were used on that player when he was recruited?
I don't think ATHs would count, but it's certainly possible. I try to avoid that one as well. Only time I've ever used it is when I sign a K/P, and I KNOW I'm not going to going after a K/P for years. There are few other positions where I will guarantee I won't be going after anybody else (unless, like, I already had 8 WRs and was just going after the #1 WR).
Never saw that one. Sorry.
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Does anybody have any strategy on getting insta commits? I can put 20 guys on my board that have me #1, and not get any. I have a buddy that I'm not sh****ng you (is cussing allowed here?) gets 2-5 insta commits per year. There has to be some strategy to it...
No. It's random luck.
How have you proven this to yourself? Just curious. or maybe better stated, how has the community, if that's what it is, come to that conclusion?
It would take a HUGE commitment from the community at large to get a LARGE sample size large enough to make any real solid conclusions. My hunch from my own playing through several seasons at several schools is that it does appear to be largely random/luck of the draw on the insta commit. It MIGHT increase SOME if your "on a roll" (i.e. winning allot for several years) at a particular program but not to anything that would be deemed "unfair"/unrealistic.
when in an online dynasty, does anyone recruit a guy hard, and hold off on offering a scholarship? or do you always offer it right away?
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