You are saying the fetus has already made a conscious decision about what religion to follow?Originally Posted by Deuce
You are saying the fetus has already made a conscious decision about what religion to follow?
Ha ha...I realize you don't know me but I was making a stupid joke. Should have used aYou are saying the fetus has already made a conscious decision about what religion to follow?
See my post in the Left Wing thread about god.
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Okay righties, give me your HONEST opinion on the Akin comments. Surely we must agree this guy is out to lunch?
Akin made a VERY inartful/dumb statement and is NOT intelligent enough to immediately recognize that and correct what he said. I should note that his statement isn't as "dumb" as he is being made out to be:
#1 - Noone can deny that some (a very small %) women lie about being raped - if a woman lies about being raped it can hardly be considered to be "legitimate" - i cannot imagine anyone supporting a concept of if a woman says she was raped there can be no defense and the man in question is immediately sentenced to prison without being provided his right to defend himself in a court of law.
#2 - A guy on his 18th birthday has consensual sex with his 17 year old girlfriend (who doesn't want to press charges) is a rape in many/most states but some would question the "legitimacy" of whether such actions is a "real rape"
#3 - My wife (OBGYN) has indicated to me that most M.D.s believe that "stress" can/could cause a woman to miscarry and/or make a woman incapable of conceiving a child (its obviously not 100% nothing ever is in medicine/the body -- interestingly there are a TON of unanswered questions when it comes to fertility) - rape is OBVIOUSLY a very stressful occurrence and so its not entirely impossible that a woman's body would either miscarry the child due to being stressed and/or not ovulate b/c of that stress however its not entirely impossible that she could still get pregnant despite the stress either. In sum, M.D.s can only provide some "guesses" on these things.
#4 - Despite #1 and #2 and #3 above the liberals pounced acting insane (they are great at it) despite his position being a fairly standard Conservative opinion (I'd have to check but I'd be shocked if the actual position of the candidate - no abortion other than life of the mother - was any different from the Party's official platform position since Roe v. Wade)
Here is the portion of the interview at issue:
Leaving out A3's inartful statements (you can tell he is mumbling and reaching for how to answer the question with the uhs; etc...) That is 100% "conservative" thought on the issue (excluding some libertarians who disagree with the premise on when life begins).Q1: On abortion, you’ve been pro-life your entire career.
A1: Yeah.
Q2: You’ve been very staunchly pro-life. Are there any circumstances in your mind in which abortion should be legal?
A2: Well, I think that sometimes people talk about life of the mother as a situation, Charles. And in my sense, one of the foundational things America is built on is a respect for life. So I would say you optimize life. So, for instance, a woman has a tubal pregnancy or something. Well, technically by my understanding life begins at conception, so you technically had conception. But the child doesn’t have a chance and will soon kill a mother, okay? So I would say in those kinds of situations, you try to optimize life.
But, you know, my case in this, Charles, has been even if you sort of separate a little the whole abortion question out, one of the things I love about this country is the fact that Americans do consider life really important.
And it’s not because of some theoretical thing – you’re on a talk show and somebody asks you about it – but you have Sept. 11 and you’ve got these guys that are running into a building that’s about to collapse. They find somebody in a wheelchair. They never checked their ID or anything like that or whether they’re important. They grab them and get them to safety, and they run back and get another one.
Same kind of thing that we saw – Ollie North has some footage. You know, he’s been right there in the front with cameras taking footage. This is over in Iraq. And there’s a Marine – a big guy, and he’s got this guy who’s wounded over his shoulder and he’s running. The bullets are flying around. And there is a cameraman in a safe position saying, ‘Hey, that guy’ – and the guy’s fatigues are just up and you can see that this is an Iraqi citizen. This isn’t the U.S. soldier. Says, ‘Hey, that’s an Iraqi citizen. Why are you risking your life there?’ This Marine turns around and he looks straight into that guy’s camera and he said, ‘Because that’s what we do.'
And that spirit of America, I think, is so important for us to protect that idea of the importance of all of us.
Q3: Okay, so if an abortion can be considered in the case of, say, tubal pregnancy or something like that, what about in the case of rape? Should it be legal or not?”
A3: “Well, you know, uh, people always want to try to make that as one of those things, ‘Well, how do you – how do you slice this particularly tough sort of ethical question.’
“It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
“But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something. You know, I think there should be some punishment but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.”
Had it been me as candidate for the senate seat in MO:
Obviously, that is a HORRIFIC situation for anyone to be in and we should help these women who are victims of such a heinous crime and to punish the wrongdoer to the fullest extent of the law. THANKFULLY, there are VERY FEW of these cases reported each year. However, life begins at conception. As such, the child that has been conceived has done NOTHING wrong and thus has the right to life under our Constitution UNLESS as I previously mentioned his/her life threatens to or will harm the right of the mother to her right to life.
Had he given the answer outlined above he'd be in 0 hot water and in all likelihood be the next senator from the state of Missouri. Unfortunately, he didn't answer the question artfully and should have been prepared to do so when going in front of a liberal questioner.
Why is asking about abortion a liberal question?
It's not in and of itself but a liberal ALWAYS asks the questions of (1) life and (2) rape to a Conservative. They do this because they believe the #s show that the majority of Americans believe that those two exceptions are supported by a majority of the people and thus they can "trap" them and paint them as "extreme" or turn off Conservatives if the person concedes the "point".
However, you NEVER have that same reporter ask Obama for example (1) Do you support "choice" 5 seconds (or insert some other relatively close time to the due date) prior to delivery; (2) Do you support "choice" if the woman wants a blond hair blue eyed baby and the fetus will not be one?; (3) Do you support choice if the child would live a normal/healthy life but for some sort of "minor" physical deformity?; (4) Do you support choice if the woman doesn't want to have a healthy but mentally handicapped (in some form or another) child?; (5) Do you support choice when it involves pulling out the baby's legs from the mother's vagina; cracking his/her skull; and sucking out his/her brains?
Maybe I missed them but I've NEVER seen a canidate on the Left have to answer these questions.
If/when the liberal media starts asking the above questions to liberals (ESPECIALLY #4) then I'll say the opposite questions to Conservatives are legitimate/fair.
Last edited by CLW; 08-21-2012 at 04:12 PM.
Perhaps the next "Stimulus" package will include spending $500K for the TGT left-wing propoganda thread with some commercials?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ermann-maddow/
Of course you post the most republican biased paper in the freakin' world. Just reading the utterly stupid comments to that article is all I need to know about it's "readers".
It's the Right Wing Propaganda thread. I would expect most sources in this thread to be slanted to the right.
mors, you've made your point already. no reason to keep being a troll. so show some self restraint and just stop looking/reading the stuff in this thread.Of course you post the most republican biased paper in the freakin' world. Just reading the utterly stupid comments to that article is all I need to know about it's "readers".
Of course you post the most republican biased paper in the freakin' world. Just reading the utterly stupid comments to that article is all I need to know about it's "readers".He cannot do it because he is a liberal and feels the need to CONTROL EVERYTHING. I'd note that he doesn't attack the article for the truth of the matter asserted. Rather he simply says its a conservative source b/c apparently nothing from a conservative source could possibly be true.
Does anyone here watch HBO's show The Newsroom?
How about I didn't want to take the time to look at an article that talks about things that happened 3 YEARS AGO and it wasn't for ads for Obama, it was ads for Job Corps? Never let facts get in the way of a good story though so I thought I'd just not waste my time.He cannot do it because he is a liberal and feels the need to CONTROL EVERYTHING. I'd note that he doesn't attack the article for the truth of the matter asserted. Rather he simply says its a conservative source b/c apparently nothing from a conservative source could possibly be true.
NOW the CBO is conspiring with the "most republican biased paper in the freakin' world." No $1,100,000,000,000.00+ deficits for 4 straight years to see here. Carry along.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/22/cbo-feds-flirting-double-dip-recession/
Don't worry, CLW, Change2.0 will fix it.
{rolling eyes}
Ah we now know one of those "extra" 9 states that ONLY The One knows about O-I-H-O?
Stoping. Not helping!
CLW, do what you do best. Start from the right
Last edited by JeffHCross; 08-22-2012 at 06:55 PM.
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NOONE has ever asked Romney for his birth certificate!
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...-my-birth-cert
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