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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes View Post
    I don't know. I may be alone with this opinion, but I am going to pretty much end up thinking less of any one who does transfer out. A bunch of players and starters have already committed to sticking with the team, their "brothers" and the university, regardless of the circumstances and difficulties ahead. Anyone who transfers out, they're basically turning their back on the rest of the guys on the team, telling them to fuck off, showing that they're a pussy when faced with adversity, and that they care about nothing but personal gain or a trophy. Just because they play for Penn State, doesn't mean the NFL scouts aren't going to give a damn about them. They'll still get attention from NFL scouts and as much a chance at an NFL career as any other player at a major school.
    I disagree with that though. Why can't he or the others transfer? No one says they have to be loyal after something like this happens. Just as it's the choice of the rest of the players to stay and "be strong", it's his rightful choice to transfer to another program. This will be hanging over the heads of the entire school all year long, maybe he doesn't want to be under that type of cloud.

    Their is all types of adversity. Being redshirted could be, suffering a season ending injury, being benched, coach being fired or leaving. This situation though it a different kind of adversity

    And that's the thing even though depth charts are already pretty much set, players are STILL even considering transferring. That let's you know how rough the situation is. They could be starting for Penn State but would possibly rather leave and not start then stay in this situation and start.

    Obviously Penn State needs most of the players to stay in order to salvage the team but I can't be mad at the players who don't decided to stay. I'm not a Penn State fan just judging from afar.

    And I'll add no player should have to deal with that kind of spotlight during a season. "How do you feel about the penalties?", "Have you ever met Sandusky?", "what about the statue?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by skipwondah33 View Post
    I disagree with that though. Why can't he or the others transfer? No one says they have to be loyal after something like this happens. Just as it's the choice of the rest of the players to stay and "be strong", it's his rightful choice to transfer to another program. This will be hanging over the heads of the entire school all year long, maybe he doesn't want to be under that type of cloud.

    Their is all types of adversity. Being redshirted could be, suffering a season ending injury, being benched, coach being fired or leaving. This situation though it a different kind of adversity

    And that's the thing even though depth charts are already pretty much set, players are STILL even considering transferring. That let's you know how rough the situation is. They could be starting for Penn State but would possibly rather leave and not start then stay in this situation and start.

    Obviously Penn State needs most of the players to stay in order to salvage the team but I can't be mad at the players who don't decided to stay. I'm not a Penn State fan just judging from afar.

    And I'll add no player should have to deal with that kind of spotlight during a season. "How do you feel about the penalties?", "Have you ever met Sandusky?", "what about the statue?"
    Oh I'm not mad about it. The NCAA is letting them, if someone wants to, nothing anyone can do about it. I'm just personally thinking less of anyone who does. All it says to me is, when the going gets tough, those guys are going to puss out, quit, run away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipwondah33 View Post
    I disagree with that though. Why can't he or the others transfer? No one says they have to be loyal after something like this happens. Just as it's the choice of the rest of the players to stay and "be strong", it's his rightful choice to transfer to another program. This will be hanging over the heads of the entire school all year long, maybe he doesn't want to be under that type of cloud.

    Their is all types of adversity. Being redshirted could be, suffering a season ending injury, being benched, coach being fired or leaving. This situation though it a different kind of adversity

    And that's the thing even though depth charts are already pretty much set, players are STILL even considering transferring. That let's you know how rough the situation is. They could be starting for Penn State but would possibly rather leave and not start then stay in this situation and start.

    Obviously Penn State needs most of the players to stay in order to salvage the team but I can't be mad at the players who don't decided to stay. I'm not a Penn State fan just judging from afar.

    And I'll add no player should have to deal with that kind of spotlight during a season. "How do you feel about the penalties?", "Have you ever met Sandusky?", "what about the statue?"
    I agree with you Skip. I'm a PSU fan so obviously I'd like him to stay. But can't really hold it against anyone that wants to go. Like I mentioned before though, I just don't really understand the USC move itself with the talent they have.

    The only other thing that kind of pulls at me is that he was supposed to be a captain and has always been a vocal leader, even when everything has come out he's been very pro-PSU. And 21 of the other 22 starters have stated they are coming back and he's potentially the only one. But, we don't know his situation, maybe he can't deal with it and like you said doesn't want to be in that type of spotlight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psuexv View Post
    I agree with you Skip. I'm a PSU fan so obviously I'd like him to stay. But can't really hold it against anyone that wants to go. Like I mentioned before though, I just don't really understand the USC move itself with the talent they have.

    The only other thing that kind of pulls at me is that he was supposed to be a captain and has always been a vocal leader, even when everything has come out he's been very pro-PSU. And 21 of the other 22 starters have stated they are coming back and he's potentially the only one. But, we don't know his situation, maybe he can't deal with it and like you said doesn't want to be in that type of spotlight.
    Oh I definitely understand the USC point, which is why the situation must be really bad to go from starting and getting the bulk of the reps to only getting minimal carries at USC.

    I couldn't really hold it against anyone if they decided to leave. Again dealing with an injury, coach firing, redshirt. Those things are different than what they are going through now. Which I'll add none of them should even have to go through. Some of the players don't have a choice but to stay. They may either be not really that good, a Senior with no aspirations to play at the next level and want their career to end at Penn State. Others have different goals and opportunities, who knows. But majority of their year isn't going to be focused on football, even if they say they will be blocking it out. The media and statue removal will be a constant reminder.

    And that honestly would be tough to play under those circumstances. If anything there is going to be added pressure on the football team. Just sucks for them

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    Smooth, I agree that they'll still get attention if they stick it out at Penn State, but not every member of the team is going to go on the NFL. For some guys, the bowl game is the pinnacle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHCross View Post
    Smooth, I agree that they'll still get attention if they stick it out at Penn State, but not every member of the team is going to go on the NFL. For some guys, the bowl game is the pinnacle.
    Let's hope (or us PSU fans do) that psu gets this 13th game with Hawaii

    Also I like that our year end match up against Wisconsin now is going to involve a rivalry trophy. These are all good ideas that I fully back and I hope happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes View Post
    Oh I'm not mad about it. The NCAA is letting them, if someone wants to, nothing anyone can do about it. I'm just personally thinking less of anyone who does. All it says to me is, when the going gets tough, those guys are going to puss out, quit, run away.
    at least though, of anyone who transfers, they have to do it before fall camp starts in order to be elligible. when the ncaa said that all juniors and seniors from USC could transfer, the ncaa allowed them to transfer at any point in the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psusnoop View Post
    Let's hope (or us PSU fans do) that psu gets this 13th game with Hawaii

    Also I like that our year end match up against Wisconsin now is going to involve a rivalry trophy. These are all good ideas that I fully back and I hope happen.
    i doubt the ncaa would let you guys schedule hawaii, since they were seriously considering taking it away from USC 2 years ago, even when that game had been one the schedule for a couple of years. i hope it happens though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp View Post
    i doubt the ncaa would let you guys schedule hawaii, since they were seriously considering taking it away from USC 2 years ago, even when that game had been one the schedule for a couple of years. i hope it happens though.
    Well since the NCAA is a making this special it's possible.

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    Question CLW, since the NCAA has imposed sanctions have they now opened themselves up to civil suits as well?


    There was an attorney on, I think, the Finebaum show earlier this week saying that the NCAA has started down a very slippery slope, because this punishment suggests oversight and responsibility, and thus liability.

    This was posted as a question on the boards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psusnoop View Post
    Question CLW, since the NCAA has imposed sanctions have they now opened themselves up to civil suits as well?


    There was an attorney on, I think, the Finebaum show earlier this week saying that the NCAA has started down a very slippery slope, because this punishment suggests oversight and responsibility, and thus liability.

    This was posted as a question on the boards.
    yes, they can be sued.

    when the USC sanctions came down, they gave former rb coach todd mcnair a show-cause penalty, prohibiting him from interacting with recruits for a year. since his contract with USC expired, he decided to sue the ncaa for breach of contract, libel, slander, and misconduct. the lawsuit is still ongoing.

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    If the victims can sue the NCAA it would be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psusnoop View Post
    There was an attorney on, I think, the Finebaum show earlier this week saying that the NCAA has started down a very slippery slope, because this punishment suggests oversight and responsibility, and thus liability.
    You must listen to XM College Sports, because I'm pretty sure that was on Coast to Coast. I was sitting on hold during that discussion, wanting to talk about something related

    Quote Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp View Post
    yes, they can be sued.
    Well, anyone can be sued. The real question is whether or not they opened themselves up to additional liability by suggesting responsibility to oversee all actions of the athletic department, and not just sports-related actions.
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    So I know this doesn't look good since it's another case in PA but I thought I'd post it to go along with the discussion Kwizzy and I were having awhile ago in regards to the "If this was the Chess coach it wouldn't have been covered up" Guarantee nobody has heard of this story.

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    In light of the actions taken by the NCAA in the Penn State scandal, here’s a question for you: Do you think that if a professor of, say, economics, was discovered to be a serial sex abuser of young boys, that the university’s economics department would be shut down?

    If you answered “of course not,” I think you’re right. It would be ridiculous to do any such thing.

    But if you answered “that depends,” then you might want to consider the case of Scott Ward, a University of Pennsylvania marketing professor who just a few short years ago was sentenced to 25 years in prison for possession of child pornography.

    Kiddie porn, however, was the lesser of Professor Ward’s crimes against children. Ward was a serial child molester. And officials at Penn and its prestigious Wharton School knew it — or should have — for years. And even knowing about Ward’s penchant for sexually abusing children, the school kept him employed and even helped finance his sexual access to kids overseas.

    The story of the “brilliant” Professor Ward was chronicled in a 2007 issue of Philadelphia magazine.

    The piece begins in 2006 with Ward being busted by immigration agents after returning from a trip to Thailand, where he enjoyed copious amounts of sex with prepubescent boys. Fortunately for prosecutors, he brought home the DVDs to prove it.

    It wasn’t the first time Ward had been charged with sex crimes against children.

    Some 13 years earlier, the good professor was charged with involuntary deviate sexual intercourse with a minor, but found not guilty.

    He continued to teach at Wharton.

    Three years later, he was accused of soliciting sex from a 23-year-old undercover state trooper posing as a 15-year-old boy. Ward pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution and the attempted corruption of a minor.

    And he continued to teach at Wharton.

    After his arrest in 2006, federal agents went to Ward’s office at the university’s Huntsman Hall and found 80 images of Ward fondling a 15-year-old boy. The very presence of those photos made the campus itself a crime scene.

    The university’s response to calls from reporters about Ward and his alleged crimes was, “No comment.” All media inquiries were effectively stonewalled.

    And what happened?

    Well, here’s what didn’t happen: The university didn’t hire the former head of the FBI to investigate how Ward managed to elude detection and stay employed at the school despite his numerous arrests and rather obvious problem.

    If the school investigated itself for its handling of the matter, it didn’t make the results of that investigation public.

    Other than the excellent story in Philly mag, there was no great media campaign to make the university come clean about how and why it protected a known child molester for years.

    As pointed out in the story:

    “In 1993, Ward had been the subject of a sting at his Ardmore mansion, where several teenage boys lived with him, and he was accused of molesting a 13-year-old there as often as 100 times. But after two highly publicized trials, he was sentenced to just five years of probation, during which time he continued to teach at Wharton and to travel — on Penn’s dime — to Thailand and other hot spots where the touch of a young boy could be had for a price.”

    So not only did U of P look the other way while Ward engaged in hundreds of crimes against children in this country, it subsidized his kiddie sex trips abroad.

    Again from the story:

    “Though he taught only 22 courses from 1999 through 2005, Wharton still paid for him to teach at its partner school in Bangkok — an especially baffling arrangement, since right there, in his CV filled with research on kids and his consulting jobs overseas, is the blueprint for his lifestyle, one made possible in large part by his connection to Penn.”

    So here we have an Ivy League school not only refusing to deal with a known pedophile in its midst, it enables him to continue to sexually exploit dozens (hundreds?) of poor children in foreign lands.

    And yet, no outside agency — not the Ivy League, not the U.S. Department of Education, not any university accrediting agency — has found the necessary chutzpah to demand the University of Pennsylvania cough up $60 million with the goal of helping sexually abused children.

    Ward was every bit the star at Wharton that Jerry Sandusky was at Penn State. Like Sandusky, Ward also founded a nonprofit program for at-risk kids. But he was different in one respect: Ward was far wealthier than the ex-football coach. He made millions serving as a marketing consultant and by being on various corporate boards.

    He used his wealth, smarts and his social status as an esteemed Penn professor to discredit his pathetic accusers and to elude justice for years. And yet, if his colleagues had any problem with that, there is no public record of it.

    By 2005, Ward had finally become enough of an embarrassment for Penn to take the extreme action of reducing him to the status of professor emeritus. He was arrested and locked up for good a year later.

    So I ask you, where’s the outrage at Penn? Where’s the lynch mob for those department heads and administrators who knew (or “should have known”) that Ward was a sexual predator but took no effective action to stop him?

    Where’s the independent investigation that might turn up emails that suggest one, two or three of his colleagues knew about his crimes, but didn’t want to report them for their own bizarre reasons?

    Finally, I’d very much like to know where one of Penn’s most esteemed graduates, Pulitzer-prize-winning author Buzz Bissinger, stands on all this. After all, no single person in America has publicly expressed more outrage and disgust over the failures at Penn State University.

    In his columns and TV appearances, Bissinger has not only applauded the sanctions against Penn State and the crippling of its football program, he has led the campaign to vilify the late Joe Paterno as a “dictator” and dangerous egomaniac. He has made clear that he finds the culture of big time college football sickening and directly blames it for the failure of nerve that allowed a sexual predator like Sandusky to run amok.

    So what explains the culture at his own alma mater that allowed Professor Ward to continue his own decades-long crime spree?

    If Buzz Bissinger weighed in on the Ward case, I couldn’t find it. But I would love to hear him explain why PSU should pony up $60 million for its allegedly protecting a pedophile and the Wharton school should not. Why PSU’s football program should be eviscerated and the academic institution that protected Ward by means of tenure and due process should not. And why not.

    I don’t expect Bissinger to admit that his contempt for the culture of college football and all things Paterno has poisoned his view of this case. But more fair-minded journalists ought to have resisted throwing in with this torch and pitchfork crowd.

    As this story continues to unfold, a few more decent souls may come to regret running with this rampaging herd of independent minds.

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    The fact that he was financed by the front office means that the school should pay as well. I have to assume that there's some type of accessory to commit a crime charge that could be charged to them or something.

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    I haven't been keeping up with this thread lately, so not sure if this was already posted, but I thought it was cool that Penn State is trying for a 13th game in Hawaii every year they're in a bowl ban. Hope that happens.

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