Oh, GSU is happy. They were already looking into getting JoePa's wins vacated.Originally Posted by Deuce
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Oh, GSU is happy. They were already looking into getting JoePa's wins vacated.
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It's appalling that it was covered up for as long as it was. It's terrible that people are learning these things about a coach that so many idolized and how tarnished that image of him will be. It's atrocious that kids on that team and recruits coming to that school are going to be punished while not having anything to do with it at all. But, it was horrific what happened to children within the halls of that University and something had to be done to prevent that from happening again. I hate that innocent players on that team are paying for what happened though. Even with the ability to transfer to another school, most schools are a month away from finalizing their rosters and final preparations for the upcoming season. The likelihood of these kids being able to transfer to another school now is VERY low.
Yeah. Thats why I was definitely fine with a $60M fine, fine with reduction of scholarships, but not fine with the bowl and postseason ban.
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The dude abides.
Agreed, something did have to be done, and I honestly was expecting much, much worse from the NCAA than what was actually handed out. But the NCAA still needs to start finding a better method of punishment than fucking over the innocent players who had nothing to do with the infractions or whatever the NCAA is punishing. They are getting punished solely for being associated with the same team as those who committed the sins in the past were. That'd be like me being arrested and thrown in jail for something my sister did solely because I'm from the same family as her. The current and future players are being punished solely because they're from the same "family"/team as those being punished.
Same bullshit with USC, same bullshit with Ohio State, same bullshit when Miami gets up on stage in the future for their punishment. The players who had nothing to do with the crimes get punished, the players who committed the crimes are already long gone earning millions in the NFL and not giving a shit about what the NCAA does to their former team. Same thing with coaches. The smart coaches jump ship for greener pastures (Pete Carroll jumping to the NFL and Seattle right before the shit hit the fan) and don't get punished, the poor bastard who has the unfortunate luck to follow gets fucked over.
That's why I have said for years and still say, the NCAA has GOT to find a better way. Take these fines and start handing out millions in fines for future infractions. Take Miami for instance. Whatever the final story ends up being, A couple dozen million will be one hell of a wake up call to Miami to get their shit in order. Just like $60 million will do the same for Penn State. An entire football season's revenue gone at the snap of a finger like that, yeah, I think that will definitely get their attention. Fine the schools, blackball the coaches, if the players get caught while still in school, blackball the individual players so they can go drop to a lower division and not give a fuck, end their college eligibility entirely, for any level, and kick their ass out of football/sports. But stop fucking over the kids who had absolutely nothing to do with a damn thing.
Like I said, it's ironic as hell here with Penn State, because of horrible things that a monster did to kids in the past, more kids are going to get figuratively fucked by the NCAA now, for something they had absolutely nothing to do with, nor any knowledge that it was even happening.
I don't know Bowden all that well but he would have to be one twisted SOB to be happy with this and I'd hope he feel like he'd gladly give up his record if this scandal had never happened.
So is Grambling St. University
Yep noone is going to want to talk about the record and I just don't see anyone breaking the current mark anytime in the near future. Someone would have to coach for a virtual eternity (which just doesn't happen often any more).
There are some heinous acts for which no punishment we are capable of giving is ever enough. Honestly I'd been fine with ANY "harsh" penalty. This penalty in the range of penalties I would have found "acceptable" fell slightly on the lenient side. Honestly, I would have been fine with a PERMANENT BAN for Penn State football without the possibility of reinstitution. (i.e. a "real" "death penalty"). Football ran this school for decades and it ran the school into shameful and criminal conduct to protect a football team.For most it will never be enough.
It's sad for Penn State's fans and its current athletes. However, the NCAA has done the best it could with the situation by allowing for immediate transfers and/or the student can continue at school and not play football. I hope other schools are helpful with the kids that just want to leave.
Cowherd makes a good point. Killing Penn State's program's ability to compete doesn't help the abuse victims. A competitive robust PSU does, as they make more money that can be paid annually to this fund.
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That, and killing Penn State's program kills every single other sport at Penn State. Just like pretty much every other damn university in this country, I'm guessing Penn State probably subsidizes the budgets for 95%+ of their sports programs from football and basketball revenue (the football revenue predominately the majority). You take away that revenue, every single athlete associated with Penn State is suddenly being told to go fuck themselves, when absolutely none of them had anything to do with what happened. Punish those involved, not those who were unfortunately affiliated with the same university.
That's a DUMB argument. By the same logic, killing the Aurora, CO shooter with the death penalty doesn't help the victims an employed shooter does so that his money from work can be paid to help victims of crime.
Again, society needs to understand that there are some actions where the best we can do is PUNISH the wrongdoer. $60,000,000 mandatory "donation" to outside charities helps victims a great amount. Moreover, I have a hunch Penn State will likely continue to make additional donations to outside charities as a "PR" boost.
Big 10 is also going to punish Penn State at 11 EST.
Outside of pulling their own "death penalty" by kicking Penn State out of the Big Ten, other than ban Penn State from the Big Ten Championship game, what the hell else can the Big Ten do? Since this is being made a football, football, football issue by the media and NCAA, it's not like you can also ban Penn State from the Big Ten basketball tournament or something. Basically nothing more than the Big Ten's own opportunity to get up in front of the cameras, put on a show for the public, save face and try to make themselves look good in the public eye by "punishing Penn State to achieve justice for others".
Heard a rumor this morning that Penn State was worried that the Big 10 would REVOKE its membership for X years and then it could reapply after that time.
I know in the wake of the horrific things that happened, that would be justified, but after the NCAA coming out with much lighter punishments that I was even expecting to be handed down, the Big Ten went through all the hassle and all the money spent working Nebraska into the conference and changing things to a 12 team conference, to just piss that immediately down the drain, as well as all the work put in to create the Big Ten Championship game (unless they can somehow get the NCAA to let them keep it with only 11 teams on a special granting by the NCAA), everything the Big Ten has done, the hours and money spent, will be completely destroyed until Penn State was let back in. I'm just not sure the Big Ten would be willing to willingly do that to themselves, just to punish Penn State, especially after the NCAA, while still severe penalties, was not as severe as everyone thought and expected.
the loss of 40 schollies over 4 years will definitely hurt them, but the loss of 20 roster spots hurts them even more. carrying a 65 man roster for 4 years will be brutal.
I don't understand and don't agree with vacated from wins from Paterno's record. What does this accomplish? Nothing IMO. It's isn't like they had an competitive advantage over other teams during that time span.
A way to get Paterno's name off the record list.
The city was, but not his family. His family stated as much last week if I recall a sports radio talk show conversation about it correctly. The host had met Eddie before and didn't think he would be happy at all about the record.
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How does disabling the football program really make those victims feel better?
Here's a good question? Do all of the losses from '98-'11 get vacated too?
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Quick thought on NCAA penalties: Penn State is smashed, and the vacated wins is a direct shot at Paterno's legacy. Now back to work.
Yeah, I know that's the reason why but it seems unnecessary. JMO of course.
Penn State will still be in the Big Ten. Discussion on Big Ten Network right now, the Big Ten has already released it's punishments on paper. They'll be part of the party with the NCAA watching over the 5 years probation, Penn State banned from the Big Ten championship game for however many years down the road, and their entire share of bowl money will follow the same path as the NCAA's $60 million fine, it'll all be given away to organizations.
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