Penn State Football

[souljahbill]

If that shit is true, then what a fucking joke. I already dislike people but if the NCAA goes that far, I'll officially be a hater of human beings. That goes WELL beyond overreaction. Those sanctions are 2 Dirk Diggler dicks in 1 asshole. You can't possibly fuck anyone any harder then that. They can go down to FCS? Wow! Penn St. playing on the same level as the SWAC. That's crazy! And to say that the kids can transfer with no penalty? Gimme a break. Fall ball starts in like, 2 weeks. People have gone through spring and summer ball. Starters are almost penciled in everywhere. If I'm a starting WR, 1st I have to find a school where all my credits can transfer over, find a place where I may get a chance to play, and may have to move across the country for that opportunity AND I'd have to do all of that within 2 weeks. That's bullshit. I'm done.

[souljahbill]

Just heard Jay Bilas say something pretty smart on Mike & Mike. He said everyone claiming Lack of Institutional Control are wrong in this case. This isn't the football team doom as it pleases while the higher ups turned a blind eye. This is actually Total Institutional Control. Everyone and their grandma knew "something" was up and they all worked together to keep it under wraps. Nothing in the rulebook about punishing for Total Institutional Control.

[CLW]

Just heard Jay Bilas say something pretty smart on Mike & Mike. He said everyone claiming Lack of Institutional Control are wrong in this case. This isn't the football team doom as it pleases while the higher ups turned a blind eye. This is actually Total Institutional Control. Everyone and their grandma knew "something" was up and they all worked together to keep it under wraps. Nothing in the rulebook about punishing for Total Institutional Control.

That depends on one's definition of "institutional control". I think its pretty clear from all of this that Penn State's football program RAN the University (and not the other way around - the University MUST run the football program). That is the very definition of a lack of control in my eyes.

Jay Bilas is very smart and brings forth a liberal wet dream to college athletics thus I disagree with ALMOST EVERYTHING he ever says about anything re: how the NCAA does/should conduct its business. I just wish there was someone as intelligent as Jay arguing from a conservative point of view to counter him so that a truly good debate could be had. Instead, Jay goes on ESPN and gives his liberal opinion on how things should be and almost 100% of the time goes completely unchallenged by the "world wide leader".

I've read the full report and seen many of the documents and honestly there isn't a punishment "too severe" in my eyes. That "leak" didn't even make me have a second thought about the situation.

I heard someone this morning indicate that the Big 10 was thinking about revoking its membership to Penn State. I think that plus the "leak" would be a decent punishment for what occurred.

[psusnoop]

That depends on one's definition of "institutional control". I think its pretty clear from all of this that Penn State's football program RAN the University (and not the other way around - the University MUST run the football program). That is the very definition of a lack of control in my eyes.

Jay Bilas is very smart and brings forth a liberal wet dream to college athletics thus I disagree with ALMOST EVERYTHING he ever says about anything re: how the NCAA does/should conduct its business. I just wish there was someone as intelligent as Jay arguing from a conservative point of view to counter him so that a truly good debate could be had. Instead, Jay goes on ESPN and gives his liberal opinion on how things should be and almost 100% of the time goes completely unchallenged by the "world wide leader".

I've read the full report and seen many of the documents and honestly there isn't a punishment "too severe" in my eyes. That "leak" didn't even make me have a second thought about the situation.

I heard someone this morning indicate that the Big 10 was thinking about revoking its membership to Penn State. I think that plus the "leak" would be a decent punishment for what occurred.

You mean the same people that ran this investigation??

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...cts-to-penn-st

[JBHuskers]

The NCAA has their costumes on.

[CLW]

You mean the same people that ran this investigation??

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...cts-to-penn-st

If you have a rational explanation for the e-mails AND Mike McQueary's testimony I'm all ears. Either one is DAMNING. The staff knew or should have known in either the 90s or 2001 or 2002 (cannot remember when McQueary witnessed the rape and told his father and Paterno). Penn State did nothing for at a minimum 10 years and in fact did everything they could to keep the child rapes hidden.

Those actions are far worse than ANY actions I can think of my higher ups at a university in order to protect a sports program.

Again, if you have anything credible to refute the evidence known at this time I'd like to know but documentary and testimony is pretty solid in this case.

[SmoothPancakes]

I do find the "no televised games and bowl ban" until 2015 hilarious. If football operations are suspended for a year (pretty much the fucking death penalty without actually saying the fucking death penalty, apparently because the NCAA is now too fucking pussy to call it what it is), and then no scholarships allowed at all for 2013 (so basically a two year death penalty since 85 or 100 or however many walk-ons they would have since they would have no scholarships, they'll be getting blown the fuck out 50+ every game in 2013), there will be no fucking hope whatsoever of them going to a bowl game before 2015. If all that shit is true, Penn State will probably never see a bowl game again before 2017, if not 2020 or later. That's how long it would take them to even recover.

So basically, like I've felt all along, nothing but saving face bullshit from the NCAA. "Look at how hard we came down with this giant list of shit, even though half that shit would "run concurrent" and won't matter in the overall picture."

Also, even if the Lack of Institutional Control is what the NCAA is using to bring down the hammer (what the hell could they use, nothing else falls under their rules, only the rules of criminal and civil law), I don't blame Penn State hiring an lawyer and possibly challenging the NCAA on half of that, especially since Emmert is essentially pulling a Goodell here and being judge, jury and executioner all by his lonesome. The fact that everything completely skipped over anything to do with the Infractions Committee does nothing but further justify in my mind this a pure face saving witch hunt for the NCAA, so they can see "look, we came down hard as fuck on them" and pat themselves on the back about it.

[JBHuskers]

Well now we don't have to wonder. Conference has just started.

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[SmoothPancakes]

Lol, the NCAA wasted absolutely no time tripping over themselves trying to pat themselves on the back about their response to Penn State. And of course not even 30 seconds into it all, instantly mentioning "think of the kids", doing their best to stir up that "you'd be a monster to not instantly agree with us, just think of those poor kids" emotions in everyone.

[SmoothPancakes]

Alright, so we can officially declare that "CBS leak" false.

[JBHuskers]

Bobby Bowden is happy with the vacating wins.

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[SmoothPancakes]

And Emmert is somewhat winning me over talking about their decision not to implement the death penalty just now and their reasoning why.

As for the official penalties, not so bad as I thought. The four year bowl ban (no TV ban though), vacated wins since 1998, the $60 million fine, reduced scholarships, 5 years of probation, and anyone who wants to transfer out of Penn State will be allowed to do so.

[souljahbill]

[CLW]

Not as harsh as I'd like but certainly glad its the most severe penalty probably since SMU. For me, the only way I would have taken the "death penalty" off the table would be if Penn State agreed to take the punishment handed out with no appeal and/or litigation re: the penalty.

[AustinWolv]

Yeah, Emmert showed up for this one, but where has he been with his golden cape on Miami and O$U?

1 year death penalty would have been easier for PSU to recover from. It affects a couple years of recruiting. 4 year bowl ban? Wow. Plus scholarship reductions? PSU football will be hurting for years to recover to competitive depth.

[JBHuskers]

Bowl ban is the only thing that I don't agree with.

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[souljahbill]

Bobby Bowden is happy with the vacating wins.

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So is Grambling St. University

[Deuce]

Bobby Bowden is happy with the vacating wins.

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I don't think Bowden or Grambling St. is going to be happy. No one from now until the end of time is going to mention the all time wins leader without bringing up Paterno and this tragedy. It's really a shame...


It's like the home run record in baseball. That record is forever tarnished until someone 'clean' breaks it.

[psusnoop]

Not as harsh as I'd like but certainly glad its the most severe penalty probably since SMU. For me, the only way I would have taken the "death penalty" off the table would be if Penn State agreed to take the punishment handed out with no appeal and/or litigation re: the penalty.

For most it will never be enough.

[SmoothPancakes]

Ultimately, there was absolutely no way around it and no way to dole out punishments without doing it, but in the name of "those poor kids", even more kids end up getting fucked over by the NCAA. And this time, unlike Miami or Ohio State or USC, the players truly WERE innocent in everything and had absolutely nothing to do with any of this. But in the end, past players have their memories, histories and records at Penn State tarnished and deleted, and current and future players are left to get bent over and fucked up the ass "in the name of justice".

I have always hated some of the penalties the NCAA have given in the past, punishing and hurting the current and future innocent players for the sins of those in the past simply by method of common relation through the football program. If anything, build on this punishment in the future as far as handing out large or massive fines (losing $60 million is one hell of a fucking wake up call to a university), blackballing the coaching staff responsible so they will never coach again or not coach for 5 or 10 years, vacate wins and titles (like usual), but enough of fucking over the innocent kids in the name of justice for the sins of those in the past, who the current and future kids had absolutely nothing to do with.