Penn State Football

[JeffHCross]

All we keep hearing is, well we want the entire story to come out. Is it b/c of massive pending legal issues they can't/won't tell us the entire truth?

Yes. First of all, you don't comment on on-going cases. Second, the only people really commenting are the media and Paterno's family. The family is asking for due process to run its course (which will never happen, because people want "answers" long before they'll allow enough time to get them), and media is ready to jump on the next juicy item to come out.

What you're not hearing is anything from any party, still alive, that was involved in the alleged cover-up. Because the only person that matters "now" is Paterno, and he's (conveniently as far as scape-goating is concerned) not around to defend himself.

Does that make sense to anyone?

Look at the speed of Ohio State versus those you just named. The NCAA's speed of turnaround makes no freaking sense. But I am pretty sure that the "headline" nature of this event is what's driving the speed of the sanctions.

since this is criminal

I'm still trying to figure out why the NCAA has any jurisdiction over criminal matters. What reason are they going to use for, let's say, eliminating scholarships at Penn State? Because they broke the law? No shit. But that's not your job.

[ryby6969]

Lack of institutional control?

[steelerfan]

Lack of institutional control?

Like Miami?

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[ryby6969]

Nah, covering for a child molester for more than a decade is a little worse but try again.

[JeffHCross]

In determining whether there has been a lack of institutional control when a violation of NCAA rules has been found it is necessary to ascertain what formal institutional policies and procedures were in place at the time the violation of NCAA rules occurred and whether those policies and procedures, if adequate, were being monitored and enforced.

I agree that a (alleged) cover-up would logically fall under Lack of Institutional Control, but the rules dictate that the control is about NCAA violations, not legal issues. As far as I can tell, there is no NCAA rule that discusses criminal misconduct.

[steelerfan]

Agreed, I type a bunch of stuff then see steelerfan's image response

A) I wasn't responding to you.

B) Unbeknownst to you, your responses are exactly the type of comments that are driving snoop up the wall and causing him to not be involved in any of this conversation.



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[CLW]

Well we will all know tomorrow morning. The media is reporting SEVERE punishment but no death penalty. Some are even saying it will be questionable which is worse a death penalty or the punishment coming tomorrow. I find it hard to believe that any punishment could be worse than a ban but we shall see.

[steelerfan]

Nah, covering for a child molester for more than a decade is a little worse but try again.

From a moral or ethical standpoint, yes. (However, what was covered and by whom is still unclear. You're going off of a report that was full of assumptions made by a man who, himself, is accused of covering his own ass and that of the FBI in regards to murdering US Citizens.)

But, is it within the NCAA's jurisdiction? I don't know. If it is, you'd think they'd let the legal process play out first. Afterall, it's entirely possible that the situation at Penn State is WORSE than anyone assumes now. No need to deal out punishments in haste.

Miami's situation, on the other hand, is undoubtedly the NCAA's area of concern.

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[ryby6969]

From a moral or ethical standpoint, yes. (However, what was covered and by whom is still unclear. You're going off of a report that was full of assumptions made by a man who, himself, is accused of covering his own ass and that of the FBI in regards to murdering US Citizens.)

But, is it within the NCAA's jurisdiction? I don't know. If it is, you'd think they'd let the legal process play out first. Afterall, it's entirely possible that the situation at Penn State is WORSE than anyone assumes now. No need to deal out punishments in haste.

Miami's situation, on the other hand, is undoubtedly the NCAA's area of concern.

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So what makes the recent reports for what happened in Miami more credible then what happened at PSU? That guy is certainly much more credible.

[JeffHCross]

Some are even saying it will be questionable which is worse a death penalty or the punishment coming tomorrow. I find it hard to believe that any punishment could be worse than a ban but we shall see.

Well, with the way "give them the death penalty!" has been thrown around in recent years, it's clear to me that A) People forget what SMU did to actually deserve the death penalty; B) People forget just how deadly it is.

[steelerfan]

So what makes the recent reports for what happened in Miami more credible then what happened at PSU? That guy is certainly much more credible.

Oh. I didn't realize that there was a press conference tomorrow to hand out penalties to Miami too. My bad.

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[jaymo76]

Well, with the way "give them the death penalty!" has been thrown around in recent years, it's clear to me that A) People forget what SMU did to actually deserve the death penalty; B) People forget just how deadly it is.

Very true Jeff, but some would argue that PSU may be dead already as a recovery from this scandal will be a huge challenge. How many parents with YOUNG kids will say :yeah I want to send me most precious assest to Penn State? I would like to hear more about the BIG 10 and their thoughts.

[gigemaggs99]

Well, with the way "give them the death penalty!" has been thrown around in recent years, it's clear to me that A) People forget what SMU did to actually deserve the death penalty; B) People forget just how deadly it is.

I agree, I don't think enough people have seen how bad it hurt the football program there.

Like others have said, why is this criminal matter a NCAA issue? I sure hope they explain or have a statement as to why they are now coming back to the issue and handing out their punishments tomorrow.

It's just strange how at first they seemed to be stepping away citing it was for the courts to decide, but now they are back. Why?

[JeffHCross]

Very true Jeff, but some would argue that PSU may be dead already

I agree. But I don't believe in kicking someone when they're down. Don't punish the program just to punish them -- just because you think you have to. Give the program an opportunity to come back, but make something positive out of that (possible) resurrection.

Not to mention, the death penalty against Penn State football has ramifications far and above just football. That's basically a death sentence for the entire athletic department, plus the effect on staff and local businesses. I'm not saying you should backtrack on a punishment because of the collateral damage, but it gives me more reason to believe that the punishment needs to be ... creative.

It's just strange how at first they seemed to be stepping away citing it was for the courts to decide, but now they are back. Why?

My guess: The courts ruled on Sandusky and the Freeh Report came in, and that was enough for them.

[psusnoop]

One thought: The NCAA is coming down tomorrow because PSU people have laid down their own punishment as a way to save face. Emmett has talked with PSU and agreed it is satisfactory and will announce them at a correct time. The NCAA says they have these sanctions and looks great in the public eyes for taking action. Psu looks good to the NCAA for taking responsibility. . The NCAA knows they legally can't charge psu even with LOIC but if psu self punishes themselves it will work. However psu knows that they would not get public support for doing enough no matter what they decide so they work through the NCAA in negotiations and come up with what they feel is fair. The NCAA gets to stand tall and psu hopes this starts the healing process.

Again just a thought.

How else can you explain handing out sanctions to a member institution of a criminal case before that case goes to trial?

This Louis Freeh just on Friday had his investigation into a President or someone in FIFA thrown out for making opinions and other irrational assumptions by a higher sports court. If he fucked up and messed up something as big as FIFA with opinions just what did he do in this case to all of a sudden think he a great moral person (not bringing up his past at all just recent information). Think about this, the Freeh report comes out when?? They knew this FIFA one was almost ending, how would the public feel of they knew this Louis Freeh manipulated and almost imposed a lifetime ban and a million dollar fine based off his opinions would impact this investigation? I know I'm biased but this would certainly make me think twice about believing this report if the FIFA one came out first.


There is so much BS circling PSU that I have read all these and it's cool you all don't know some things that we that are close do.

My friend went to unimart (little gas station and service store) and he had psu stuff on and something about Joe on. Some ignorant dick confronted him about it. He was better then me because I wouldn't be able to post this all for a few more hours till I got my work release. That is as bad as what I've read about all psu fans shouldn't be allowed to have kids. Seriously someone said that, I mean really! Yet so many do not understand why a few of us stand tall and maybe express ourselves a little bit and I'm sorry. There have been way to many liberties taken against us that I just feel like I may snap and I don't want to.


I still want to see or hear the facts and involvement of anyone associated with this. Former DA's, current DA's, former governors, former AG's, current AG's, now governer and I haven't even mentioned psu staff and board members yet.

[psusnoop]

Hey Jeff think about Pegula who dropped over 100 million on a new hockey arena and div1 hockey teams and now it could certainly be all for not as there may not be hockey because of these snap decisions.

[JeffHCross]

One thought: The NCAA is coming down tomorrow because PSU people have laid down their own punishment as a way to save face.

I had thought that earlier. And I think I did hear somewhere that the sanctions had been negotiated with PSU, but I may be just making up stuff. If that was the case, it would be a good PR move for the NCAA to let PSU announce them. Maybe they will.

Hey Jeff think about Pegula who dropped over 100 million on a new hockey arena and div1 hockey teams and now it could certainly be all for not as there may not be hockey because of these snap decisions.

Yep. People throw around "death penalty" like it will just kill football. If it only affected football, I'd be a little more likely to discuss it. But the ramifications of football sanctions are felt by all sports at a school. Whether or not you believe that's fair is a personal opinion, but in my opinion it's not.

[baseballplyrmvp]

cbs leaks are starting to come out saying that the ncaa could fine penn state as much as $30 million to $60 million.

i know this is from a rivals message board, and there's probably not a whole lot of credibility here, but this twit pic reveals massive sanctions against em (if they're true)

[jaymo76]

cbs leaks are starting to come out saying that the ncaa could fine penn state as much as $30 million to $60 million.

i know this is from a rivals message board, and there's probably not a whole lot of credibility here, but this twit pic reveals massive sanctions against em (if they're true)

Wow! If that's true I am absolutely speechless. Wow! If that document is true Penn State football is dead.

[SmoothPancakes]

Wow! If that's true I am absolutely speechless. Wow! If that document is true Penn State football is dead.

Yep. If all that is true, just give them the fucking death penalty then. All of that is pretty much the same damn thing, just without actually saying it's the death penalty.