Madden getting Connected Careers & Infinity Engine (physics)

[morsdraconis]

Alright, well we at least can see now why we disagree on stuff for this year. For me, NCAA 12 was my first and only time playing in an Online Dynasty, and while it had it's moments, there were many frustrations that caused me to bow out after the first season, and I went back to my offline dynasty. I, for the most part, have never cared for online dynasty, online franchise, etc. The ONLY exceptions have been Online Association in NBA 2K12 with cdj, JB and a couple others (though that only lasted for a couple weeks), teaming up with Natcret and whoever else was on 360 on Tiger Woods for the TGA here on the forums, and Online Team Play (6 on 6) in NHL 11, which was basically just a giant Play Now game just with 6 humans on each team controlling each player on the ice. Other than that, I couldn't give any less of a damn about online franchise, online dynasty, online this, online that.

So for you, alright, I can see and understand how losing custom playbooks and losing player editing isn't a big deal, whereas for me, who is almost entirely an offline/single-player guy when it comes to sports, losing player editing capabilities and custom playbooks is a complete deal-breaker. Like I said, I WANT to get back into Madden. I never bought Madden 12, I bought Madden 11 on eBay for cheap, owned it for 3 days, just long enough to get the achievements and quick 1000 gamerscore, before selling it right back off on eBay. Madden 09 and Madden 10 were the only Madden games on the current generation of consoles that I owned for a month or longer.

As someone who bought both NCAA and Madden EVERY year back on Xbox and PS2, this is sad and depressing as I would love to get back in NFL gaming and have been bit over and over for the past 3-6 months at the desire to get Madden so I can fire up an NFL franchise. So I desperately and badly want to get back into the Madden series, but this one step forward, two steps back, or two steps forward, one step back stuff just kills me. Next year, if Madden 14 has RTP fully integrated into the entire game, or at least 50% of the game, custom playbooks are back, roster editing is back, and there have been additional improvements to Connected Careers, etc, I am fully on-board and will pre-order it and buy it. I already pre-ordered Madden last week after initially hearing about RTP and CCM. But now that details are coming out about stuff removed, stuff left out, etc., I'm no longer excited about Madden 13 and just don't have that desire to buy it anymore.

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I COMPLETELY agree Smooth. I had gravitated away from ODs and other online play as well because it just wasn't fun for me (connection issues and just the general slowness of it all only to become like a second job because, unlike other people, I gotta take a break from playing one video game all the time after a while) so to lose things that make the single player experience of NCAA would be devastating for me as well (if I was ever planning on playing more ).

[steelerfan]

The CP factor has been brought up a bit in this thread recently. Let's not forget that ODs have existed in NCAA for 4 years and Madden is really just getting something on par with it. Additionally, where are the bottom line/studio updates in Madden? Oh, right, they don't have it.

I only bring this up because of the "step child" sentiment that is put on NCAA by the community. Just remember, there are times when NCAA gets things that Madden doesn't. NCAA will have RTP next year, no doubt, will Madden get score/studio updates? Doubt it.

As for Madden 13, I was only waiting to hear if the ST sliders had been divided into User and CPU before deciding if I'd get it. The news that I can't change jersey numbers, however, means I will likely pass. I'm too OCD to deal with having a LB with #6, or the Steelers "unofficial" retired numbers being issued. Additionally, the game has issued multiples in the past (ie two number 84s). I can't handle that in an NFL game.

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[Rudy]

The fact that RTP is in the game doesn't mean anything for open-field running, unless they've programmed it to matter. Based on that vid, there's no way momentum is being factored in cuts.

I would have rather had it the other way around. Have RTP affect open-field running first and then work on the hits for next year but hits are more marketable. I also want in-game saves but I've learned my wishlist is definitely not the same as EA's lol.

[Rudy]

As for Madden 13, I was only waiting to hear if the ST sliders had been divided into User and CPU before deciding if I'd get it.

This is something I'd like to know too. Absolutely stupid to only have a global slider and it's such an easy fix. I'd really like to hear a rational response from EA on this but since it doesn't exist I'm guessing I won't hear it.

[ryby6969]

For me, I cannot get enjoyment out of playing the cpu anymore. I enjoy the strategy of user games and recruiting and whatnot against other users.

[SmoothPancakes]

For me, I cannot get enjoyment out of playing the cpu anymore. I enjoy the strategy of user games and recruiting and whatnot against other users.

I think for me it's the hassle of getting people online at the same time to play, getting people with internet connections that don't horrendously suck, and getting people that are cheese-playing douchebags. While cheesers who try to get into ODs eventually get outed and kicked out, even playing one game against those guys before they kicked out is an absolute, complete, total waste of my time. Part of the reason I refuse to play randoms online, because you never know what kind of player you're about to go up against. Fuck that. I have better things to do with my time than deal with that *** bullshit.

For me, in offline dynasty, I can see the sliders and difficulty levels to such that it's a challenge for me. In my FIU dynasty I have going on in NCAA 12, I can beat the teams that are worse than me like UL Lafayette, UL Monroe, Western Kentucky, MTSU (provided I don't personally completely suck it up once I get into the game), but then turn around and get my ass handed to me by better teams like USC, UCF, Washington, Texas A&M, Arkansas State, etc.

Getting the sliders just right so I can compete with and usually win against teams worse than me, compete with and half of the time win against teams equal to me, and compete with and sometimes win here and there against teams that are better than me, that is what makes offline dynasty and playing the CPU still fun for me.

[steelerfan]

While I play a fair bit of online (not against randoms), I enjoy offline because I can move at my own pace.

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[illwill10]

I dont really play online because I got so use to playing the CPU. I dont even like playing against regular users. Plus it is rare for me to get through playing a game without stopping. Plus cheesers and slow connections can ruin it for me

[illwill10]

One/two thing I wish NCAA & Madden shared is Madden QB ratings and Scheme-specific ratings. I think it will make teams more realistically and go after players who fit there offense

[ryby6969]

I think for me it's the hassle of getting people online at the same time to play, getting people with internet connections that don't horrendously suck, and getting people that are cheese-playing douchebags. While cheesers who try to get into ODs eventually get outed and kicked out, even playing one game against those guys before they kicked out is an absolute, complete, total waste of my time. Part of the reason I refuse to play randoms online, because you never know what kind of player you're about to go up against. Fuck that. I have better things to do with my time than deal with that *** bullshit.

For me, in offline dynasty, I can see the sliders and difficulty levels to such that it's a challenge for me. In my FIU dynasty I have going on in NCAA 12, I can beat the teams that are worse than me like UL Lafayette, UL Monroe, Western Kentucky, MTSU (provided I don't personally completely suck it up once I get into the game), but then turn around and get my ass handed to me by better teams like USC, UCF, Washington, Texas A&M, Arkansas State, etc.

Getting the sliders just right so I can compete with and usually win against teams worse than me, compete with and half of the time win against teams equal to me, and compete with and sometimes win here and there against teams that are better than me, that is what makes offline dynasty and playing the CPU still fun for me.

Get a PS3 and half that shit would be cured with the OD's on here.

[SmoothPancakes]

Get a PS3 and half that shit would be cured with the OD's on here.

Why does everything have to turn into system shit? This place is becoming as bad as fucking IGN and other gaming sites with the 360/PS3 "this is better, you should get that" shit.

And it's nothing against you personally ryby, it's just that it seems I can't go a single week without someone sitting there telling me "get a PS3", "you should go buy a PS3", etc. It's getting to the point that it's annoying the hell out of me. If I was going to buy a PS3, I would have done so already. It's only a matter of a couple years before the PS4 inevitably comes out, there's no sound financial reasoning for me to buy a PS3 now.

Only way I would do so would be if I could get a PS3 for an absolute MAXIMUM price of $150. Anything more than that, for me personally, would be a waste of money, especially since, besides you guys on here, there are only something like 5 of my actual friends in everyday life who have a PS3. 99% of my friends all have 360s, so only reason for me to even consider buying a PS3 would be for sports games for stuff like ODs (which I pretty much don't have any care for) and PS3 exclusive games. Beyond that, I would still be buying every single game for 360.

As for ODs, ODs are going to be plagued with cheesers regardless of systems, systems don't mean a thing. And there are quite a few legit ODs on 360 on here as well for the sake of argument.

My issues against ODs are:

1: Dealing with scheduling. Just look at the FIFA 12 season/tournament thing Steeler and the rest have going, and what difficulties in the schedules of two people not working out can fuck up.

2. Related to scheduling, I can play whenever I want. If I'm dealing with insomnia and I'm awake at 3 in the morning, I can jump on and play a game in my dynasty right then instead of having to wait until 7pm or 9pm or 10pm or whenever that evening for my opponent to get home from work and get online so we can play together.

3: Dealing with time constraints. You have 24 hours or 48 hours or whatever to get your game in or else (your game gets simmed, you get kicked out, whatever), so I better not have any big or time consuming projects or events come up at work.

4: Dealing with connections. Some people might not have the greatest internet connections, and then you have to deal with the hassle of just freaking connecting to each other like myself and someone else found out in the NBA 2K12 Online Association and not being able to connect to each other no matter what we did.

5: Dealing with different skill levels. The best you can do in an OD is try to find a "common ground" with the sliders, so nobody is going to be "truly happy" with the end sliders because they will all think this or that could be changed or tweaked depending on their own skill levels, whereas in offline dynasty, I can set the sliders SPECIFICALLY to what my skill levels are and tweak them as many times as I want from week to week, season to season to make the dynasty and games easier or harder.

There are probably other reasons, but there are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head at this moment in time. So I'll stick with offline dynasty/franchise.

[ryby6969]

I said get a PS3 because of the OD's on the site. I could give two shits about one being better than the other.

[ram29jackson]

I get madden and NCAA every year regardless of what they have or dont have.

for all intents and purposes, they represent football as well as can be.
I can understand not wanting to spend money for various reasons, but some of the so called deal breakers you guys come up with is amusing to me

that said, having online ability makes the game so much more interesting.

and theres a few more adults doing it now so you dont have to just choose online dynasties that immaturely think you need to move it along every 2 days like its a necessary chore .

I also realize now, I prefer dynasties where theres only a few user games a year...not every single game. Unless maybe it were 10 people I really,really knew and trusted wouldnt have immature taunting fits if I went on a losing streak... because its just a fricking video game after all.

[SmoothPancakes]

I said get a PS3 because of the OD's on the site. I could give two shits about one being better than the other.

Touche.

Overreaction on my part, I'll admit, it was just you're probably the fifth or sixth person in the last 2-4 weeks to say "get a PS3", for varying reasons, so I was getting to the point of "here we go again".

I get madden and NCAA every year regardless of what they have or dont have.

for all intents and purposes, they represent football as well as can be.
I can understand not wanting to spend money for various reasons, but some of the so called deal breakers you guys come up with is amusing to me

that said, having online ability makes the game so much more interesting.

and theres a few more adults doing it now so you dont have to just choose online dynasties that immaturely think you need to move it along every 2 days like its a necessary chore .

I also realize now, I prefer dynasties where theres only a few user games a year...not every single game. Unless maybe it were 10 people I really,really knew and trusted wouldnt have immature taunting fits if I went on a losing streak... because its just a fricking video game after all.

Says the person who bitches regularly about teambuilder and socks or helmets or facemasks not being in the game.

[Rudy]

Overreaction on my part, I'll admit, it was just you're probably the fifth or sixth person in the last 2-4 weeks to say "get a PS3", for varying reasons, so I was getting to the point of "here we go again".

I do seem to recall a poster on this site tormenting PS3 users about one system demo being released earlier than another. Trying to remember who that was....

[SmoothPancakes]

I do seem to recall a poster on this site tormenting PS3 users about one system demo being released earlier than another. Trying to remember who that was....

Well played. That was me trying to get back at those PS3 users who root for a certain Pennsylvania team with the colors of Navy Blue and White who wouldn't stop hassling me in the FIFA and NHL threads about getting a PS3.

[JeffHCross]

And it's nothing against you personally ryby, it's just that it seems I can't go a single week without someone sitting there telling me "get a PS3", "you should go buy a PS3", etc.

That's because we want to play against you, dumbass

[Rudy]

The new Connected Careers Mode (CCM) sounds really cool in this video. EA should be promoting this stuff more. It's in depth and actually shows us stuff.

If you lowball a player when trying to re-sign him during the season he may get pissed off and refuse to sign until free agency. You do have a franchise tag you can use.

Scouting now will be done every week during the season (last year it was about every 4 weeks). You will also scout at the senior bowl, combine, pro days and individual workouts.

When scouting players you can choose which attributes to unlock. Scout a QB and you can scout overall rating (pricy), accuracy, arm strength, scheme he fits in, juke move, whatever. I was surprised to see how little accuracy cost for a QB. Each trait costs so many points to unlock. You get so many points for scouting and I believe you can get more points by achieving objectives as a coach during the season (don't quote me on that).

Players have production grades based on their performance. Kids coming in the draft have production grades based on how good a college player they were. This will cause rookies to have very low overall ratings this year since their NFL production grades will be very low when they enter the league. As they produce this will go up.

Players have development ratings which will determine how much XP they earn which will make them better. It's a potential rating but this does not guarantee success. Even if you have a high development rating it won't mean anything if you don't play or if you play poorly when you do.

If a player's scheme rating matches the scheme you run he can earn more XP while playing which will make him a better player. It also affects free agency. A player won't just look at money. If the scheme isn't the right fit the player may not be interested in you.

[ram29jackson]

Touche.

Overreaction on my part, I'll admit, it was just you're probably the fifth or sixth person in the last 2-4 weeks to say "get a PS3", for varying reasons, so I was getting to the point of "here we go again".



Says the person who bitches regularly about teambuilder and socks or helmets or facemasks not being in the game.

Yeah but its not a deal breaker if not in. I'm just a fan of its possible potential

[souljahbill]

The new Connected Careers Mode (CCM) sounds really cool in this video. EA should be promoting this stuff more. It's in depth and actually shows us stuff.

If you lowball a player when trying to re-sign him during the season he may get pissed off and refuse to sign until free agency. You do have a franchise tag you can use.

Scouting now will be done every week during the season (last year it was about every 4 weeks). You will also scout at the senior bowl, combine, pro days and individual workouts.

When scouting players you can choose which attributes to unlock. Scout a QB and you can scout overall rating (pricy), accuracy, arm strength, scheme he fits in, juke move, whatever. I was surprised to see how little accuracy cost for a QB. Each trait costs so many points to unlock. You get so many points for scouting and I believe you can get more points by achieving objectives as a coach during the season (don't quote me on that).

Players have production grades based on their performance. Kids coming in the draft have production grades based on how good a college player they were. This will cause rookies to have very low overall ratings this year since their NFL production grades will be very low when they enter the league. As they produce this will go up.

Players have development ratings which will determine how much XP they earn which will make them better. It's a potential rating but this does not guarantee success. Even if you have a high development rating it won't mean anything if you don't play or if you play poorly when you do.

If a player's scheme rating matches the scheme you run he can earn more XP while playing which will make him a better player. It also affects free agency. A player won't just look at money. If the scheme isn't the right fit the player may not be interested in you.

I LOVE Madden's scouting. NCAA development team, STEAL MADDEN'S SCOUTING!!!! Steal those categories also. That was AWESOME! YOU can pick the attributes you wanna scout and not have it be random. PLEASE, in NCAA '14, development team, TAKE MADDEN'S SCOUTING PROCESS!!!