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    The Redskins really rolled the dice on this one. They better hope it doesn't come up snake eyes. I may be wrong but I don't see RG III being a big time NFL QB. I have seen the Raiders do this type of thing way too many times in the past and it never panned out. I guess we will all find out this fall if Washington made the right decision.

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    Even if RG3 pans out, it will be 2015 before Washington has a first round pick to build around him with. I just don't see how this will end well for the Redskins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerfan View Post
    Even if RG3 pans out, it will be 2015 before Washington has a first round pick to build around him with. I just don't see how this will end well for the Redskins.

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    Nope. It's pretty much a lose-lose. I know Washington had to basically lop off both nuts to get the #2 slot, since Cleveland could package together their #4 and #22 first round picks this year, plus whatever else, but this was just stupidly insane what Washington gave up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes View Post
    Yeah, I was instantly when I saw it mentioned during college basketball. Way to throw away three years of 1st round draft picks. RG3 may be a decent to good NFL player, but no way in hell is he worth four draft picks, three of them being 1st rounders.
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    Well, the thing is, apparently there were teams, like the Browns, offering fuckin' FOUR first round draft picks for the spot. FOUR!

    Doesn't matter though because, unless we somehow have Luck fall in our laps, we're fucked because I can guarantee that Griffin won't be a good NFL QB.

    LOL neither of you guys have proven to know shit about anything, and youre both flaming pessimists

    you have no freaking clue whether RG III will succeed or not...have you not seen him on the NFL network? He isnt your typical dumb ass jock. He can think on his feet quite well. If he can do that in on field situations in the pros..it could be interesting.

    I admit, I am rooting for the guy. He's fun,funny,smart,appears to be normal and not a jerk...and with the new pansy QB and pass defense rules, more QBs will succeed then not in the future. Just ask Flynn and Newton....

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerfan View Post
    Even if RG3 pans out, it will be 2015 before Washington has a first round pick to build around him with. I just don't see how this will end well for the Redskins.

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    in this massive free agency era, drafts arent quite as important..building through the draft takes too long now. You have to find formulas that work sooner.

    I of course think building through draft works better, but its harder to do now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram29jackson View Post
    in this massive free agency era, drafts arent quite as important..building through the draft takes too long now. You have to find formulas that work sooner.

    I of course think building through draft works better, but its harder to do now.
    Look at all of the top teams in the league. Then list all of their top players. You'll find that the vast majority of top players on the top teams were drafted by that team.

    Washington has tried to build with high-priced Free Agents ever since Snyder bought the team and it has got them nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram29jackson View Post
    LOL neither of you guys have proven to know shit about anything, and youre both flaming pessimists

    you have no freaking clue whether RG III will succeed or not...have you not seen him on the NFL network? He isnt your typical dumb ass jock. He can think on his feet quite well. If he can do that in on field situations in the pros..it could be interesting.

    I admit, I am rooting for the guy. He's fun,funny,smart,appears to be normal and not a jerk...and with the new pansy QB and pass defense rules, more QBs will succeed then not in the future. Just ask Flynn and Newton....
    No, it's called he's fucked. He was either going to the Browns or now to the Redskins. His career just ended before it got started based on those teams and their current personnel (no offense Mors).

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    The biggest problem RGIII will have is being coached by Kyle Shannahan. I would rather have Cam Cameron(whom I despise) than those two assholes in DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram29jackson View Post
    LOL neither of you guys have proven to know shit about anything, and youre both flaming pessimists

    you have no freaking clue whether RG III will succeed or not...have you not seen him on the NFL network? He isnt your typical dumb ass jock. He can think on his feet quite well. If he can do that in on field situations in the pros..it could be interesting.
    its not that at all. its the fact that washington gave up 4 extremely high picks for him. your first rounders are guys you want to have be your franchise type players, and your second rounders are guys you look at to start or be an immediate backup. throwing out a bust, and washington is basically giving up 2 guaranteed starters, plus an immediate backup. trading away all of that for a qb who hasnt proved himself yet is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerfan View Post
    Look at all of the top teams in the league. Then list all of their top players. You'll find that the vast majority of top players on the top teams were drafted by that team.

    Washington has tried to build with high-priced Free Agents ever since Snyder bought the team and it has got them nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp View Post
    its not that at all. its the fact that washington gave up 4 extremely high picks for him. your first rounders are guys you want to have be your franchise type players, and your second rounders are guys you look at to start or be an immediate backup. throwing out a bust, and washington is basically giving up 2 guaranteed starters, plus an immediate backup. trading away all of that for a qb who hasnt proved himself yet is stupid.
    Exactly. This isn't baseball, you can't buy a championship. All of the top teams have built their teams from the ground up. Patriots, Steelers, 49ers, Packers. They bring in a FA here or there to fill some holes but never to build around.

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    And if you pick right, that 1st round draft pick can be an immediate force. Look at Denver and their first round pick last year, Von Miller. The guy had an immediate boost and huge effect on the defense. If you make the right pick and get a player who is a sure thing to not be a bust, you can greatly improve your team with just that one pick. Washington has nothing for the next three years now in the first round. Way, way, way, way, way too much given up for an untested QB.

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    Ouch. It gets somewhat worse for the Redskins fans. From Adam Schefter.

    NFL is taking away millions of dolllar of salary-cap space from Cowboys and Redskins for how they front-loaded deals during uncapped year.
    Cowboys lose $10 million in cap space, Redskins lose $36 million in space. Can split it over 2012 and 2013 any way they want. More at ESPN.

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    It's bullshit. They make the rule AFTER we build the contracts to do it that way (or, at least, in the sense of what the Redskins did with their contracts).

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    Quote Originally Posted by morsdraconis View Post
    It's bullshit. They make the rule AFTER we build the contracts to do it that way (or, at least, in the sense of what the Redskins did with their contracts).
    You and the rest of the Redskins fans just can't catch a break at all lately. Under investigation for Williams, trading away the next three years in the NFL draft for RG3, and now this.

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    Fail to the Redskins!

    (No offense, mors)

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    Well to be fair, they only really traded away the next two years. That's been the common misconception on this trade. They just swapped with them this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBHuskers View Post
    Well to be fair, they only really traded away the next two years. That's been the common misconception on this trade. They just swapped with them this year.
    Well true, but since they're drafting RG3 and traded away their second rounder as well, I just sort of counted this year among it all.

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    Moss to 49ers....whats he thinking ? they run the ball..alot

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    Chiefs and SeaHawks

    are out of the running for Manning.

    He'll talk to Titans, but I doubt that amounts to much at all...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram29jackson View Post
    He'll talk to Titans, but I doubt that amounts to much at all...?
    Uhm ... why? Bud Adams has publicly said that he wants Manning more than any other free agent. And the guy's got a little bit of a history in Tennessee ...
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