Even the "fact" that it was a 10-year-old boy in the shower is speculation. He's never come forward and we don't know who it was. It is 99% likely that it was a child, sure, but what if someone comes forward and says, "it was me, I was 18, and I liked it"?
The point is, we don't know. Just like many of the other "facts", we don't know.
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Yes Joe is the face of the university and I agree as to why the media is all over him. But the university had a chance to step up and show everyone that Joe is not the face of the university, that this school is more than a football coach and they would rightfully get to the bottom of everything that happened. Instead they bought into it and tried to save face in the media eyes by removing Joe.Originally Posted by Oneback
And didn't they say the victim can't even speak now or something like that?
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/167...-kutcher.jhtmlOkay so, Ashton Kutcher tweeted in outrage that Joe Pa was fired.
He didn't even know the story of what was going on
I swear someone should stick him in a room with Sandusky. Another Hollywood hypocrite.
No. They don't know who that victim is at all.
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To quote Joe Paterno
In Hindsight, Maybe I Could Have Done More...
Doesn't make him responsible. It makes him remorseful.
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Don't quote me on this but I've heard before that Joe and Sandusky did not get along.
Yep.
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They might not have been friends (??? Once again speculation, see how it works both ways) but it is mentioned often that Sandusky was the top guy in line to replace Paterno when he was to retire.
To use your line, that is an ASSumption on your end. I doubt you have a direct line tied into Paterno's brainwaves. I simply made the quote with nothing attached to it.
I am speculating... like I said it is something that I've heard, hence the "don't quote me on this" (see how it works both ways)
If there is one thing I have learned in my soon to be 32 years, it's that most people make decisions to save face rather than make the right decision and therein lies the problem with this entire issue with regards to the Penn State involvement.
I really hope Joe Pa is able to get past this and continue on for many years, my biggest fear with a Joe Pa retirement has always been football is his life, he knows no other and much like Bear Bryant, I feared Joe would pass on shortly after his retirement. This isn't helping to ease any of those fears. Hopefully the game on Saturday will start the healing process and the media will move away from Joe's doorstep.
In the end Joe is suffering from those around him and the decisions they made, maybe even decisions he directed - I really hope he had very little involvement in the cover-up.
That may have been the case in the end, but I doubt any head coach keeps anyone on a staff that they don't get a long with for 30 years. Think about it this way, that would be like being in a bad marriage for 30 years and not separating, however in the football world there aren't any ramifications of child support/alimony, etc.
Yeah like I said it was something that I heard, a couple of times. Never any details on when Joe and him started to not get along. Maybe it was after the alleged incidents and that was ultimately his cause for retirement. Maybe it was something that grew over the years. Maybe Joe knew he wouldn't retire for another 15 years and hated the fact that Jerry was licking his chops at his job. Who knows.
Unfortunately there are a number of people who stick out bad marriages.
So I just got this email from the alumni list I'm on from the Interim President. The 2nd paragraph is such a contradiction to how they just acted.
A message from Interim Penn State President Rodney Erickson
This is one of the saddest weeks in the history of Penn State. It has been
difficult to comprehend the horrific nature of the allegations that were
revealed in the Attorney General's presentment last week. As a member of the
Penn State community for 34 years, as a parent, and as a grandfather, I find
the charges as they have been described to be devastating, and my heart goes
out to those who have been victimized and their families. This is a terrible
tragedy for everyone involved, and it will take some time to bring a measure
of understanding and resolution to the community.
In addition to the legal process under way, Penn State's Board of Trustees has
authorized a full investigation "...to determine what failures occurred, who
is responsible, and what measures are necessary to insure that this never
happens at our University again and that those responsible are held fully
accountable." As those involved pursue their cases, I also urge you, as Penn
Staters, to be patient, to avoid speculation, and to refrain from passing
judgment until the facts are known.
As you are now aware, the Board of Trustees has asked me to serve as the
interim president of Penn State effective immediately. I undertake these
duties with a firm sense of resolve, and I ask for your support as we move
forward. And move forward, we must and we will.
Penn State has a long and storied tradition that has endured for more than 150
years. Our roots are deep, our constitution is resilient, and the importance
of our work is as vital today as it was last week - perhaps even more so in
the face of such adversity. We are 96,000 students, 46,000 employees, and
more than a half a million alumni. We are 24 campuses across the Commonwealth
and a World Campus. We are a university that is committed to its core values
of honesty, integrity, and community. We are a university that will rebuild
the trust and confidence that so many people have had in us for so many
years.
Through your conduct every day, you can play a role in restoring the
integrity, honor, and pride that have always characterized Penn State. I share
your anger and sadness in this time, but always remember that your actions
reflect on the entire Penn State community. Please set an example that will
make us all proud. Moving forward is the only responsible course to take in
the coming months. I ask for the full support of our faculty, students, staff,
and alumni, and in return I will do my best to lead this institution through
the challenges ahead.
Thank you for being a part of Penn State.
......I always liked Michigans helmets second to Penn States........
RUMOR WARNING - We will apparently find out of this is true in a day or two.
http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sa...rk-madden.html
I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."
The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
Again, this is the same guy who was far ahead of the curve writing a story on this in April.
Wow, Eric, that is deplorable.
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