NCAA Football 13 - General Impressions Thread

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

Now, all that being said ... I'm about to spend the next two or three hours messing around inside my OD ... because the OD itself has me hooked, even though the games really don't.

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The tough thing is that when I play MLB the Show I play it strictly for the gameplay. I don't need anything else like scouting, recruiting or drafts to suck me in. I've played about 140 games in my SF season and it's all purely gameplay related for the most part. Stat tracking in baseball is also good but the game is that good against the cpu that I can have a lot of fun. I don't care about free agency, drafts or any off the field management stuff in a baseball game.

I've never been a head to head player. Maybe I need to give that a more honest effort because the cpu isn't good enough in EA football. I do recognize that this is the hardest sport to get right but I don't like using that excuse. The truth is the cpu AI has not improved in an EA football game in 10 years. They got really dumb this generation (horrible cpu QB AI) and have spent the last 7 years just trying to get back to the level of the PS2 intelligence. The reason I love playing the cpu is that I do love the franchise and dynasty options. Building programs is a big hook and sometimes a necessary one to keep us sucked in. I can play anytime I want with any difficulty or slider setting I like. About every two years I try to play a game online and the random guy I play against is a loser. Just reminds me to stick to offline.

Gah!!!!

Just lost a game because of the stupid "it's raining so receivers slip when they cut" animations. I threw 2 picks because the receiver slipped and the defense caught the pass. If EA is determined to keep this in the game, 1) turn down the amount of rain games in dynasty please and 2) make the defense slip also. I've only seen receivers slip. Never defenders.

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Originally Posted by souljahbill

Gah!!!!

Just lost a game because of the stupid "it's raining so receivers slip when they cut" animations. I threw 2 picks because the receiver slipped and the defense caught the pass. If EA is determined to keep this in the game, 1) turn down the amount of rain games in dynasty please and 2) make the defense slip also. I've only seen receivers slip. Never defenders.

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:+1: I just don't gey why DB's have perfect footplanting while WR's don't. Oh well, I guess it fits perfect with not hearing audiles at home.

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Originally Posted by jaymo76

Wasn't that fun back in the day to do that kind of stuff. I still have my TECMO SUPERBOWL NOTES somewhere in the garage. Back them we didn't have the immersion so we made it ourselves. Good times...

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Absolutely. On NCAA 2004, when I got upset with playing as Ohio State, I ended up doing a Create-A-School with Alabama, as the 1992 team that was in the game as a Historic Roster. Ended up breaking Oklahoma's winning streak, winning 3 consecutive titles, and then somehow losing two straight the next season. It was nuts!

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Originally Posted by Rudy

The tough thing is that when I play MLB the Show I play it strictly for the gameplay. I don't need anything else like scouting, recruiting or drafts to suck me in. I've played about 140 games in my SF season and it's all purely gameplay related for the most part.

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To each his own. I can't play that many games in an MLB game (or NHL or NBA) because I want the turnover of the offseason and major trades and all the superfluous stuff. I'm just wired like that. There isn't any game that I play for "just gameplay" anymore (except maybe Pac-Man).

the more i play this game against the cpu, the more pissed off i get about the stupid no huddle delay and the forced cutscene shit. i want last year's pace to the game to return, where i could throw 50 passes in a 7 minute game as an OC. it may not have been very accurate regarding time, but the entertainment value was a lot higher for me than what '13 currently provides.

Since the patch I have had ZERO success running the HB screen. Unless the cpu full on blitzes everytime I run a HB screen the cpu drops into position and stuff me in the backfield.

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Originally Posted by jaymo76

Since the patch I have had ZERO success running the HB screen. Unless the cpu full on blitzes everytime I run a HB screen the cpu drops into position and stuff me in the backfield.

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I have had MUCH less success running it, but did take one for a 70y TD the other night. :)
Otherwise, the CPU has assigned man coverage MUCH more often to the HB.

This is written about the run blocking engine on Madden but equally applies to NCAA. Fantastic read that I posted in the Madden thread but should be read by everyone imo. Written by a former Backbreaker dev.

http://www.operationsports.com/featu...-the-run-game/

I just watched the podcast and I agree with a lot of what was said. For me it's not that NCAA isn't really good, it's just that it isn't as good as it used to be. I didn't realise this until last week but frankly, I think I am bored of playing NCAA. Don't get me wrong, I love the game updates and the ticker but outside of that and the removal of leaping LB's I have played the same game since my first next gen title, NCAA 08. Not doing anything with CC this year was a huge let down. Still not having real FCS teams is a huge let down, no Heisman ceremony in the year of the heisman challenge is a huge let down, no Gameday type weekly wrap-up show is a huge let down. This is my fave series of all time but it needs to do something to bring my excitement level back to where it used to be ala 06 (and please don't say CCM... too much has been removed).

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Originally Posted by jaymo76

I just watched the podcast and I agree with a lot of what was said. For me it's not that NCAA isn't really good, it's just that it isn't as good as it used to be. I didn't realise this until last week but frankly, I think I am bored of playing NCAA. Don't get me wrong, I love the game updates and the ticker but outside of that and the removal of leaping LB's I have played the same game since my first next gen title, NCAA 08. Not doing anything with CC this year was a huge let down. Still not having real FCS teams is a huge let down, no Heisman ceremony in the year of the heisman challenge is a huge let down, no Gameday type weekly wrap-up show is a huge let down. This is my fave series of all time but it needs to do something to bring my excitement level back to where it used to be ala 06 (and please don't say CCM... too much has been removed).

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i agree, but different things are a let down to me. it just seems that they focus on some of the wrong things year after year. i wish that the community had a larger say in what is done every year; definitely not a final end-all decision, but much like that survey that was released a couple of years ago, it'd be nice if we could steer the decision making process a little more.

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Originally Posted by Rudy

This is written about the run blocking engine on Madden but equally applies to NCAA. Fantastic read that I posted in the Madden thread but should be read by everyone imo. Written by a former Backbreaker dev.

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Completely agree with everything he wrote. Much of his statements, at least about the technology of the branching animations and the like, could equally apply to the passing game.

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

(knock on wood)

I still have yet to experience a freeze within the game, but I have now had at least four freezes on the initial "Press Start" menu, as it is transitioning to "Please Wait". And it's always at the exact same point too, just as the camera is starting to climb vertically. It's a full system freeze too -- have to shut off the PS3 via the power button.

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Had this twice again this morning. Seems to happen more often when I'm in a rush :D

I now tense up every time I see "Tradition" start to turn, because that's where it freezes :smh:

is anyone noticing any in-season progression occuring?

It's subtle, but I've noticed some, MVP. I don't recall, off-hand, if it still shows (+2) next to ratings that have progressed -- in fact, I don't think it does -- but I noticed as we got to the end of Year 1 in Powerhouse that some of my players had higher OVRs than we had started the season with.

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

It's subtle, but I've noticed some, MVP. I don't recall, off-hand, if it still shows (+2) next to ratings that have progressed -- in fact, I don't think it does -- but I noticed as we got to the end of Year 1 in Powerhouse that some of my players had higher OVRs than we had started the season with.

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thats the only reason that i asked, because i just looked at my arizona state team for the fun of it, and didnt notice a single rating showed the "+1", indicating that something had improved. if its still there, they probably removed the visual....which i'm not really in favor of.

I actually like that the visual is gone ... it was too cluttered with the visual, IMO. While I'd like it at year's end or something, somewhere where I know "Oh, he progressed X", I don't think I need it week to week.

Maybe it's just me, but with the NCAA series it seems like the little fixes they can easily do, but don't would add so much more immersion to the experience.

They've had the ESPN license for how long, and it took to this installment for us to get a real ESPN ticker on the bottom during dynasty?

Why can't they just take the ESPN stat templates and use them for stat updates and what not?

Someone on OS posted a breakdown of stat overlays that pop up within 3 minutes of a College Football game and it was probably something like you'd see in an entire seasons worth of play in NCAA13.

What burned me was watching the Making of NCAA13 to see them spend time on some poor designer gloating about the one overlay BROUGHT TO YOU BY DOVE SOAP FOR MEN...it really makes me question how many of these people truly watching College ball, versus EA shilling itself for sponsors like Dove, Snickers, Coke-Zero, etc.

Ben said they overhauled stadium noises, but it's all or nothing at times. It can go from an off the wall roar, to a pin drop in seconds. I hate how there is absolutely no noise when my offense is on the field at home. There should be some noise from the opposing fans in attendance.

The animations are another killer at times. The comical Mario running in place, the lack of vital running animations, the fact every player runs the same despite ratings, weight, and height. That a 6'4 player can cover the same amount of ground as a 5'7 player in the same time.

Why is it that EA has yet to find a way to incorporate in game saves? NBA2k, MLB2k, and MLB the Show have all had this feature for the last few installments.

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

Maybe it's just me, but with the NCAA series it seems like the little fixes they can easily do, but don't would add so much more immersion to the experience.

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Completely agree. The little things go a long way.

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

They've had the ESPN license for how long, and it took to this installment for us to get a real ESPN ticker on the bottom during dynasty?

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Wouldn't have done much good. In previous versions, the CPU games weren't simulated ahead of time. There was nothing to "tick".

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

Why can't they just take the ESPN stat templates and use them for stat updates and what not?

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What do you mean ... stat templates? The graphics, or something more?

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

Completely agree. The little things go a long way.
Wouldn't have done much good. In previous versions, the CPU games weren't simulated ahead of time. There was nothing to "tick".
What do you mean ... stat templates? The graphics, or something more?

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http://i46.tinypic.com/r29d2h.png

Something like that. I'm a stat junkie. I love to run a play, and see a little blurb about my RBs carries/yards/ypc etc, especially as the game goes on.

I want dynamic stat overlays. Especially for Dynasty play. I want to see my Season 3rd Down %, I want to see Turnovers to Date, etc.

The other things, find a fix for the sidelines. Especially if you're going to show those sideline cutscenes with 10 real players, and then 3 cardboard cut outs mixed in.

How many years have the roster editors been clamoring for duplicate numbers? EA says they can do that for the disc, but there is no way for the user? How hard would it be to code something that allows to have two duplicates, one for O, one for D. If you tried to move one of those players to the different side of the ball, it would automatically go to the next available jersey number?

They still haven't figured out how to do uniform degradation correctly, that's a shame. The team in white is spotless, and the team in dark uniforms looks like they tried to wrestle a pig in mud.

They need more crowd specific cheers, or hell do the cheer creator that was in College Hoops.

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

Something like that. I'm a stat junkie. I love to run a play, and see a little blurb about my RBs carries/yards/ypc etc, especially as the game goes on.

I want dynamic stat overlays. Especially for Dynasty play. I want to see my Season 3rd Down %, I want to see Turnovers to Date, etc.

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They have those. They just don't show enough. So, I'm not sure what you mean by "why can't they". Some of the statistics you cite may not be available within a game (thanks to system memory limits), but they do use ESPN-style stat overlays when, for example, records are broken.

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

They have those. They just don't show enough. So, I'm not sure what you mean by "why can't they". Some of the statistics you cite may not be available within a game (thanks to system memory limits), but they do use ESPN-style stat overlays when, for example, records are broken.

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Wouldn't know, haven't played dynasty enough since I'm still waiting for their store to actually open, so I can have the correct uniforms for Rutgers.

The whole Why Can't They, is just wondering why is EA lazy? They have the rights to use the ESPN broadcast style, but hardly use it to its full potential. The only times I see stat overlays are during The Gametrack cutscenes, and maybe 1-2 times with my HB and his stats.

I'd love to see a breakdown of the CPU passing attack, they used to have a graphic that would pop up showing the break down of short (L/M/R), intermediate (L/M/R) and deep (L/M/R) attempts, completions, yards, TDs.

I also remember there being stat overlays for rushing left/middle/right as well.

Or maybe this is all from NFL2k5? I can't remember.

I would say about the year to date statistics, about how they are available in MLB the Show, but that's on BluRay and has much more space to hold such things like that.

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

why is EA lazy?

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They're not.

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

They have the rights to use the ESPN broadcast style

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They have the license. Doesn't mean they have the assets directly from ESPN. Doesn't mean the PS3 or 360 are capable of doing the things we want without adversely affecting gameplay. I don't know the actual reasons, and I do wish that it would change, but it's not as simple as snapping one's fingers.

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

Or maybe this is all from NFL2k5? I can't remember.

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That might be from 2k5. I don't recall ever seeing that in NCAA (though it may have been in Madden). Then again, I don't recall it from 2k either.

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

I would say about the year to date statistics, about how they are available in MLB the Show, but that's on BluRay and has much more space to hold such things like that.

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The Show also has the full force of Sony San Diego behind it, and is a first-party title. Both of those are drastically different from NCAA's situation. Madden is much more fair to compare to The Show.

I would guess the Show has a smaller dev team than NCAA. NCAA sells a lot more copies and will sell more games solely on the PS3 than the Show does. I don't buy the memory limitations for stat demands when the game stores all those replays the whole game. I believe it's not an emphasis on this area. I think both NCAA and Madden need to work harder towards true TV style presentation and stats.

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

They're not.
They have the license. Doesn't mean they have the assets directly from ESPN. Doesn't mean the PS3 or 360 are capable of doing the things we want without adversely affecting gameplay. I don't know the actual reasons, and I do wish that it would change, but it's not as simple as snapping one's fingers.
That might be from 2k5. I don't recall ever seeing that in NCAA (though it may have been in Madden). Then again, I don't recall it from 2k either.
The Show also has the full force of Sony San Diego behind it, and is a first-party title. Both of those are drastically different from NCAA's situation. Madden is much more fair
to compare to The Show.

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But EA is lazy....

Why is it that we haven't had features in this game, that we had in the last generation? Why do we have the same issues from installment to installment each year? I'd rather just have them come out, and say it's an issue with the engine, and it won't be fixed until the engine is overhauled. Now even if that was a lie, it'd just be nice to have EA give us a reason as to why things remain the way they do.

I think they just put their efforts in the wrong direction.

Like I said, the making of NCAA13 Show, it really showed me where they put their efforts. I don't want a silly one off Dove Men's Soap Stat Overlay, that doesn't give me immersion, you don't just see ONE STAT OVERLAY on Saturday, you see HUNDREDS. I wouldn't mind the Dove's Men overlay if they actually popped up with decent frequency.

Then again, reading the NCAA13 Facebook page when EA had the 2nd Patch drop, a lot of people were clamoring to get the Studio Updates removed because they slowed down the game, and they just wanted to play. I applaud EA for at least attempting that, maybe in the Next Gen we can get video to go along with Rece, but who knows.

It's just the things EA does to start makes the fans go gaga with excitement, Team Builder, CC, but then they remained untouched. The running joke with Team Builder you know it's updated when EA changes the color of background page. Then CC, I'll give them a pass on their first attempt, but Ben Haumiller lied straight faced to the fans about them fixing some of the known bugs, but they still exist from NCAA12 in 13. There are some small fixes in CC that could go a long way...the CPU logic is beyond awful, how about taking that out of the CPUs hands? Especially if you're the HC, why does the CPU get to decide who my OC/DC are? Why can't I select them? I never heard of a HC that isn't allowed to hire their own staff.

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

But EA is lazy....

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It's one thing to say the game is bad and their going in the wrong direction and they need to take fan feedback more seriously and whatnot but calling the developers lazy will always be insulting. Laziness is not why things aren't the way we want them.

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Originally Posted by souljahbill

It's one thing to say the game is bad and their going in the wrong direction and they need to take fan feedback more seriously and whatnot but calling the developers lazy will always be insulting. Laziness is not why things aren't the way we want them.

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But they are..... Explain how known problems never get fixed year to year? That's lazy to me.

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

But they are..... Explain how known problems never get fixed year to year? That's lazy to me.

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It's only lazy if it's easily fixable, won't break another part of the game, and they choose not to do it. Unless it fits that criteria, it's unfair to call people who spend the night at the office to make a game for other people lazy.

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Originally Posted by souljahbill

It's only lazy if it's easily fixable, won't break another part of the game, and they choose not to do it. Unless it fits that criteria, it's unfair to call people who spend the night at the office to make a game for other people lazy.

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I can look the other way for something's, but others nope. Especially awful CPU depth chart logic. How hard would it be to have play book specific depth charts. Something that minor would add a lot.

Like I said I'd rather have them lie to us and say something doesn't work due to the engine than stay mum on the subject.

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Originally Posted by souljahbill

It's only lazy if it's easily fixable, won't break another part of the game, and they choose not to do it. Unless it fits that criteria, it's unfair to call people who spend the night at the office to make a game for other people SO THEY CAN MAKE A LOT OF MONEY FOR A BIG COMPANY lazy.

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Well I think lazy works for that definition. Like the super long FG attempts on Heisman. That has to be a fairly easy fix that they just choose to ignore. Why? Probably because the bean counters say that only a small percentage of gamers play on Heisman so don't waste your time there. I see all kind of stupid decisions done at my workplace because a number counting process dictates we work on X,Y,Z when A and B may be bigger problems. But someone's bonus doesn't get padded if we work on what we should rather than what a lousy bean counting process says we should do. Often X,Y and Z are easy but useless fixes that pad numbers/bonuses while significant issues are left unaddressed. That's not necessarily lazy because people are still working but it's dishonest or at the very least wrong.

The same approach applies to EA in many areas. There are many legacy problems, some easy and some big. Petey is simply frustrated that EA has turned a blind eye to known problems for many years in a row now. Why exactly we don't know but I'm fed up with the excuses. I don't care if it's lazy or something else, I just refuse to buy the end product if I'm not happy. Something is wrong with the way EA decides what to work on imo.

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Originally Posted by Rudy

I would guess the Show has a smaller dev team than NCAA. NCAA sells a lot more copies and will sell more games solely on the PS3 than the Show does.

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I wouldn't. MLB is a flagship title for that studio. NCAA isn't. Perhaps if you include the gameplay guys that work both Madden and NCAA, then NCAA has more, but in terms of people solely focused on NCAA, I think NCAA is smaller. Wish stuff like that was readily available though.

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Originally Posted by Rudy

I don't buy the memory limitations for stat demands when the game stores all those replays the whole game.

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:dunno: Was just a guess. I just know that it's not plug-and-play.

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

Now even if that was a lie, it'd just be nice to have EA give us a reason as to why things remain the way they do.

I think they just put their efforts in the wrong direction.

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Lack of communication and efforts in a different direction than we'd like. I can agree with both of those. Big time.

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

maybe in the Next Gen we can get video to go along with Rece, but who knows.

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I would have agreed with you before this release. But given that I've seen more people bashing the Studio Updates than enjoying them, I don't see them changing going forward. I hope otherwise though (plus the option to skip them if you want).

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

why does the CPU get to decide who my OC/DC are? Why can't I select them? I never heard of a HC that isn't allowed to hire their own staff.

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Okay, yes, it doesn't fit reality. But you make it sound like it's a simple choice between "CPU Control" and "Human Control". There's a lot involved with giving you that "choice". Maybe not if you're the 6-star school and you get to pick between established coaches with great histories at OC/DC. But when you get down at the 1-star level, now you're picking between newly generated coaches. "Picking" being the key-word. That requires a lot of additional back-end stuff.

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

But they are..... Explain how known problems never get fixed year to year? That's lazy to me.

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Easy: Cost vs Effect. Risk vs Reward. Prioritization. There are tons of "legacy" issues in the products that I work on. The ones that are extremely important and could cause mission critical issues obviously get fixed immediately. The ones that are just a nuisance? They might get fixed. Eventually. We have to justify time spent on issues, same as any other software company. My team is fortunate in that we have direct control over what we choose to have fixed (though we're not the ones coding the fixes, which sometimes means we don't get the fix we asked for and have to pull it out). Not every software team has that control. Sometimes it's decided for them, way up higher in the pecking order. Especially when you have to take a product to market and compete against other companies.

We're also fortunate in that we have relatively flexible deadlines. Makes a big difference.

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Originally Posted by Rudy

Well I think lazy works for that definition.

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You've got to be kidding me Rudy. My employer makes a ton of money. Our CEO make more money in a single year than I'll see in my lifetime. A decent amount of profit (relative to, say, my salary) comes straight from the contract I work on. Do you think my program doesn't have to jump through a ton of hoops, just to hire one additional college graduate? Or answer to the higher-ups if we want to try something risky that will cost profit, but could make us more money in the long run? Do you think we see any benefit (besides continued employment) from that profit? Not a chance. Apples and oranges.

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Originally Posted by Rudy

That's not necessarily lazy because people are still working but it's dishonest or at the very least wrong.

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And sometimes completely beyond the control of the people that actually do the work (and are being called lazy).

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Originally Posted by Rudy

Something is wrong with the way EA decides what to work on imo.

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Don't disagree there.

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

You've got to be kidding me Rudy. My employer makes a ton of money. Our CEO make more money in a single year than I'll see in my lifetime. A decent amount of profit (relative to, say, my salary) comes straight from the contract I work on. Do you think my program doesn't have to jump through a ton of hoops, just to hire one additional college graduate? Or answer to the higher-ups if we want to try something risky that will cost profit, but could make us more money in the long run? Do you think we see any benefit (besides continued employment) from that profit? Not a chance. Apples and oranges.

And sometimes completely beyond the control of the people that actually do the work (and are being called lazy).
Don't disagree there.

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1) I just added that bold part in myself because I felt soulja's original comment implied that we should be grateful that someone makes a football video game for us rather than realize they are making it for a profit. There is a motive here. Same goes for TV shows and movies. While we want to be entertained and informed the primary goal of these things is to make someone money. It's a two way street.

2) I do agree that it's tough to call guys lazy when they might want to fix something but are told to work on something else. But people want to blame someone when they are mad and frustrated even if it's the wrong guy. That's why I don't think people on the site should get so upset when people throw out the lazy word. It's often out of frustration and aimed at the process rather than a specific individual.

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Originally Posted by Rudy

1) I just added that bold part in myself because I felt soulja's original comment implied that we should be grateful that someone makes a football video game for us rather than realize they are making it for a profit. There is a motive here. Same goes for TV shows and movies. While we want to be entertained and informed the primary goal of these things is to make someone money. It's a two way street.

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No, I wasn't saying we should bend over and take it and be grateful that EA is making this product for us out of the goodness of their own hearts. What I was saying was that people, real live flesh and blood who just happen to work a EA, are missing quality times with their wives/husbands/children/friends/etc. to work LOOONG hours, sometimes even sleeping at work, to put out the best product they can for us, the consumer, and I find calling them lazy is an insult to the time real people put into their work. I have ZERO issues with complaining about the game and raising a stink but I do have a problem calling people lazy as if the developers don't want to put out a quality product and choose to ignore stuff for no other reason then they just don't feel like it.

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Originally Posted by Rudy

That's why I don't think people on the site should get so upset when people throw out the lazy word. It's often out of frustration and aimed at the process rather than a specific individual.

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To make a pun ... calling them "lazy" is ... well, the lazy way out.

I agree that people have every right to be frustrated at the process. I've been there myself, big time. But I won't call them lazy, and I'd prefer others didn't either.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not calling for people to temper down their criticism or anything like that. If you're pissed off, be pissed off. But you and Petey have both said that you're frustrated by what they choose to fix, what direction they go, what's communicated versus what's not, etc, etc, etc. I agree with all of those. Fully agree. And none -- none -- of those can be chalked up as "lazy".

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

To make a pun ... calling them "lazy" is ... well, the lazy way out.

I agree that people have every right to be frustrated at the process. I've been there myself, big time. But I won't call them lazy, and I'd prefer others didn't either.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not calling for people to temper down their criticism or anything like that. If you're pissed off, be pissed off. But you and Petey have both said that you're frustrated by what they choose to fix, what direction they go, what's communicated versus what's not, etc, etc, etc. I agree with all of those. Fully agree. And none -- none -- of those can be chalked up as "lazy".

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I think refusing to notice problems is being lazy.

It's not like the community, i.e Game Changers haven't brought these issues to EA. At least come out and say if it was attempted to be fixed, it would completely break the game, or just feed us lies telling us that it's an engine issue, and won't be fixed until it's overhauled. Being told a reason why, even if it's completely false is better than holding out false hope that EA knows, and is attempting a fix.

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

It's not like the community, i.e Game Changers haven't brought these issues to EA.

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Then, obviously, they have been noticed and are known, yes? Not exactly "refusing to notice".

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Originally Posted by PeteyKirch

At least come out and say if it was attempted to be fixed, it would completely break the game, or just feed us lies telling us that it's an engine issue, and won't be fixed until it's overhauled. Being told a reason why, even if it's completely false is better than holding out false hope that EA knows, and is attempting a fix.

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I don't disagree. But notice that they don't "come out and say" practically anything, especially about issues. That's a policy (in my eyes). Not lazy.

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

Then, obviously, they have been noticed and are known, yes? Not exactly "refusing to notice".
I don't disagree. But notice that they don't "come out and say" practically anything, especially about issues. That's a policy (in my eyes). Not lazy.

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Maybe refusing to notice is wrong for this year, but for issues that plagued the series for the last installments, that's refusing to notice, and correcting their ways.

Agreed.

Does anyone know if playing time helps improve players? If I put a freshman in in the 4th quarter to do mop up is that going to make him any better?

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Originally Posted by jknaegle

Does anyone know if playing time helps improve players? If I put a freshman in in the 4th quarter to do mop up is that going to make him any better?

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It should but I dont believe it does

I've seen it believed that playing time has some (but limited) influence on progression. It's by no means the primary factor, but it's not a non-factor either, from the discussions I've seen.