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Yes, you're correct. However, I don't play the demo to win. I play the demo to TEST the effectiveness of plays, defenses, etc. Hence after being blown up in several of the demos I decided to go pretty much all play action to see how the law of averages would work out. Based on the demo as I have stated, there are still some significant concerns re play action.Quote:
Originally Posted by fincane
HOW ABOUT Southern Miss at Akron ? see how good-bad those teams are and see the environment of new stadium.....?Quote:
Originally Posted by souljahbill
Thanks everyone for looking into the coverages there as I have been seeing this in the demo too.
Of course I'd never turn down some USM footage but I don't care if they're used or not. I would just prefer to see anybody other then "the usuals" (Notre Dame, Alabama, Texas, Penn St. Ohio St. etc.). You know, the teams that are going to dominate online play so no one can ever go online and play as San Jose St. even though they graduated from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ram29jackson
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Whats wrong with Notre Dame O:?
Hi guys. First time poster here. Thanks for all of the great information you are giving us. I wanted to know if you could please let the programmers know about the problems with the no-huddle offense for CPU teams. Players are in the wrong formation all of the time. For example, if the computer runs a play from the wildcat formation and runs the no-huddle offense, a RB will be the QB on the next play. This happens all of the time!! I think EA does an amazing job but I still don't think they do enough testing with the CPU AI. Thanks again guys!
I second the post above.
Nevada (me) at Indiana (CPU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLeNbgASiog
Has this been answered yet? I think it got passed up with other discussions, bumping it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Kernzy
It was answered here: http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/for...ll=1#post75872Quote:
Originally Posted by Cipher 8
I played with Oregon this morning and ran play action 2-3 times and had success on each play including a TD pass. It's way better than NCAA 11 imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
given the opportunity, I'll play with lower ranked teams any time,anywhere. I honestly want to use as many teams as I can this year, just to do itQuote:
Originally Posted by souljahbill
I still see some weird things with zone coverage. Not sure if it's ratings related or what, but sometimes it looks like the linebackers and hook zone players do not do a very good job deciding when to gain depth and stay with a vertical route. Doesn't seem to happen 100% of the time, but it happens enough make you wonder what the player is doing. For example, that play right before the end of the Nevada-Indiana video, the defense looks to be in some kind of Cover 2, and the MLB completely turns the TE loose down the middle of the field, which probably should have been a TD. Despite the efforts to improve zone, it still looks to me like it will largely be necessary to user control either an MLB or Safety to ensure that you don't give up some cheap passes over the middle.
So far, I actually am pretty pleased with what I've seen (and experienced in the demo) with the pass rush/pass blocking. There's probably still a little too much of the "all or nothing" element to it, but I like that you don't see nearly as many instances where DL end up being completely irrelevant, and it seems like you get a lot more coverage sacks than there were last year because the DL stay on their feet and stay active to try and get to the QB, and there isn't nearly as much suction which makes it harder for the OL to hold up for extreme lengths of time. Last year you basically either got a free runner to the QB on a blitz or didn't get any pressure at all, and this year it seems like you can still get some decent pressure, even if the offense accounts for everybody initially. 4 and 5 man rushes seem to have more teeth to them, which is really nice in combination with the improved (though imperfect) coverage which takes away a lot of those easy quick throws that were always open last year. Also, it seems like stunts and cross blitzes work a lot better due to the lack of suctioning. Basically angles seem to matter a lot more because linemen aren't able to warp into position to make the block, and because players can disengage a lot better when they have an angle to get to the ball.
I am also pretty pleased with what I see in terms of QB accuracy and WR catching. I always felt like WRs have caught too many passes in traffic, and this year it seems like the defense is a lot better at knocking passes out and getting incompletions even if the WR gets his hands on the pass initially. Last year it felt like any pass that hit a WR in the hands was going to be caught, even if the guy got his head taken off immediately after touching the ball. QB accuracy might still be a little too high, but it seems to at least be a little less forgiving than it was last year, particularly on passes more than 15 yards downfield. Last year you could basically fire the ball on a rope down the seams and into that area between the LBs and safeties and expect even mediocre QBs to thread the needle. Seems to be less the case this year.
I like that the Pistol and Shotgun Option offenses seem to be more fully developed than in the past. With custom playbooks I think that we are finally past the point of being seriously constrained by the default playbooks, at least on offense. Defensively it looks like they added a bunch of good things, particularly as far as zone coverages are concerned, but they also seem to have removed a lot of the man to man blitzes that worked well last year (i.e. Nickel Strong NB Blitz). I will be interested to see how that plays out as the year goes on. I'm not sure that the defense has quite all of the tools that they need to keep up with the expansion of the offensive playbooks (i.e. the ability to run a truly balanced offense from Shotgun).
I am not terribly impressed with the computer at this point, both in terms of playcalling and in terms of executing the plays. I will be really interested to see some videos of online play to get a feel for how the game plays in USER v USER matches.
first two drives seemed pretty easyQuote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
Recorded. I started a Dynasty using Iowa State and simmed to the Iowa game. I'll start the upload tonight, should be available sometime in the early morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by huntt26
Regarding stat overlays, in that game I only saw one stat overlay... it was from an Iowa CB having two interceptions. So they are still there... just still not happening as often as I think most people would like to see them. It will likely end up being near the end of the video once it's edited.
Welcome. I definitely agree and will pass along your thoughts (as they are my own) but just speaking for myself, I'm not sure that it will happen this year in a patch or not. It would probably require some new programming hooks that says "this was my formation/personnel, these are the formations with the same personnel, if I want out of that personnel, I need to return to the huddle". As well, some other cases would technically have different personnel but you wouldn't necessarily have to go back to the huddle (ex. going from Spread 4WR to 5WR).Quote:
Originally Posted by hornfan36
Like I said, I'll pass it along, just not sure much can be done this year.
thats a tough call on that one play though rhombic... in cov2 hook/zone guys wont get depth they will ride him through to the safety... the safeties recognized the deep routes of the outside receivers as threats once they passed 10 yards so they split... which, the play called is perfect for exploiting cover 2... with 2 routes that would get passed off as vertical even though they were a deep stop and a dig, its just the way it works... cov 3 would have been a better call, but its always easy to make the better call when we can rewind...
i agree with you on the drops... i love the drops... keep them coming
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I was initially marginally impressed with zone coverage, but I think that was because in the demo you're playing with 4 teams that are pretty high quality. The slew of gameplay videos coming out featuring lesser teams are making me lean the other way. I'm just not seeing the "zone coverage based on route recognition" aspect (which was partly how it was touted) very much, if at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhombic21
Definitely agree about the line play. It's still terribly programmed, but on AA and Heisman it definitely seems tuned to produce more reasonable results in terms of pocket pressure. The reduction in suction blocking is an overall positive, but I'm still wondering if it's going to eventually result in the return of some of those nasty nano blitzes of the past, especially because the AI for line play is still overly simplistic. I also wonder whether a negative byproduct of the increased pocket pressure by 4 and 5 man rushes means that it will be easier for guys to user DE's and turn them into unstoppable sack monsters.
Agree as well about the incomplete passes. The gut reaction at first was "wtf are all these dropped passes," but actually some are dropped passes and some are just plain incompletions, which were far too infrequent in NCAA 11, to the point where just about every legitimate sim OD was dropping the QB Accuracy slider down to 30 or below. I'm hoping that this isn't something that's too even across the board, but that we may really see QB's with THA of 75-80 experience significantly more incompletions than QB's with THA of 90 and above.
I agree with the pressure being too all or nothing. It's pretty much instant pressure or 7 seconds to throw. I haven't been able to get a lot of sacks against the CPU like they have against me, but that's probably it gets rid of the ball once the pressure is almost there and I hang on to the ball longer trying to let the deeper routes develop. The pressure needs to be more consistent, IMO. I'd much rather see something that is consistent rather than something that is instant pressure one time, and then 7 seconds to throw the ball the next.
Zone coverage...yeah, I'm not impressed with it. It's improved but only marginally. People are going to be shredding it to pieces just like the past few years. The ONLY reason it's even better in the first place is because EA added in some AI cheats. I'll be able to test my theory once I get the full version and have instant replay, but there's really no need because I know it's occurring. As soon as the ball is thrown, the defenders react to the ball. It doesn't matter if they shouldn't be able to make a play on it, they do anyway. It's also "improved" because they've given Linebackers the ability to jump 10 feet in the to get a hand on the ball. I didn't think this was so bad last year, but I'm noticing several occasions where a LB gets his hands on the ball when he shouldn't have been able to.
I'm also seeing a ton of tipped passes at the line of scrimmage.
Basically, they move around alot more but they still play stupid/unaware. You see plenty of times where the defender never bothers to deflect a pass in his area..that may be to promote user controll, but near the endzone, things happen to fast to react with a command..just my 2 centsQuote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
Do you think playing the 3-4 is easier than last year?
On the demo I wasnt really able to get to the QB using a OLB.
Looping blitzes works wonders this year with a fast defense. I don't even control the LBs. I just sit back and let them get the sacks on their own. IMO looping and crossing blitzes work better the the traditional ones. I even had very good success with double safety blitzes and corner blitzes.
Just got to know your players and whether or not they have speed or not.
I would really like to implement an option to turn on that automatically no-huddles you after every play and if you switch personnel that they run on/off the field and the defense is given the standard 10 second wait to pick a play and run on personnel just like they get when a huddled offense picks a play and once all substituted players are on/off the field the ref steps away from ball and allows for the snap. And also the CPU needs to have set "speeds" because not all no-huddle snaps the ball ASAP. Ex. many times last season with the lead in the 4th Auburn no huddled and ran to the line but milked the clock all the way down to around 5 and snapped it. The speeds need to be done with the gameplan system that is in place, when set to aggressive they run the "NASCAR" style no huddle, on balanced it should be players jogging to the line right after the play is blown dead and looking towards the sideline waiting for a play to come in and/or substitutions, and then conservative is where they jog up to the line and look at the sidelines and take their time getting set (ya know eating time up). Also I think we should have access to the WHOLE playcalling screen (gameplan & packages) but with gameplan limited to just the Jump snap, Zone depth, Pass defense for defense and the Huddle speed, Carrying, Catching for offense because those are things that a coach can yell out to the players like D coaches yelling get deep on a 3rd down and O coaches yelling to the WR's to make sure they catch the ball or vise versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
This does seem to happen a lot. I wonder if they did this to hurt the screen game - particularly bubble and WR screens?Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
Also, has anyone played on Heisman yet and checked if the cpu routinely attempts super long FGs they have ZERO chance of making? That was a Heisman only issue last year. I'll probably stick to AA again (unless something gets screwed up) but the Heisman gamers shouldn't have to put up with that.
I like Rhombic's seeing defenders in zone coverage blow coverages from time to time. The fact that it doesn't happen all the time is encouraging. Programming players to make a good decision X% of the time is tough. We certainly don't want an all or nothing type of thing. I'd love to see the random blown coverage as it happens in real life, particularly in zone coverage with young players.
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Originally Posted by gschwendt
The pulling guard on that first TD at 1:12 makes me want to punch something.
They removed the double OLB blitz from the 3-4. I liked that play.
Pretty much, yeah. They just react to the ball the split second it's thrown, and they can make up a lot more ground than they've been able to in the past, so those openings close up pretty quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ram29jackson
I could be wrong, but that's what it looks like.
I don't think that's right at all, IOU. The main difference is that they are now much more AGGRESSIVE in covering people near them, but there's no real logic that tells them how to correctly prioritize threats, or what to do when they are not immediately threatened (i.e. how to anticipate late-developing routes that they need to get in position to defend). It's an improvement in that they at least take away a lot of the easy throws that were there before, particularly on the shorter and intermediate passes, but it's a problem because there are still certain concepts/route combinations that they don't handle properly.
I don't think the movement after the pass is thrown is all that different from '11.
LOL yeah, that was pretty bad. But, even without him picking up the guy he should have, it was still a big play for IUQuote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito21
Pitt at West Virignia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quh_z55I9UM
Iowa at Iowa State
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8tJVstiQDc
Yeah, there's definitely improvements in the AI actually covering receivers that are near their zones, but I do believe the defenders react quicker than they have in past games. It just seems that as soon as I press the button to throw to a receiver, all the defenders turn towards that receiver and the one closest is able to make an unrealistic play on the ball. Granted this isn't every time I snap the ball, but it happens enough to make me notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhombic21
Then again, considering I've played a whopping 3 months combined the past 3 years, perhaps I'm just rusty. :D
Thanks for the ISU video! You had some tough breaks, but still hung around - did you end up finishing the game out? Some observations...
That first touchdown was a great play by Iowa
I see that the 'Wild Cyclone' is in the game this year, that's a new addition.
The tipped interception brought back bad memories lol
It's strange that Iowa went for it on 4th down twice - once made sense, and the other did not.
The option pitch at 10:40-ish looked ridiculous. The pitch should not have been so accurate, it literally teleported through the ISU player's helmet and into his hands for a decent gain. If the computer or another user did that against me, I would be pretty upset! lol
I liked hearing the PA announcer say something to the effect of... "that's another Iowa State... First down!" (this is not unique in the game, as I think they added it to everyone this year) However, I liked to hear it because ISU's PA announcer uses the phrase "Thats another Cyclone... FIRST DOWN!" on gameday. Kind of a neat touch, even though it's not at the same time.
At 14:14-ish, it seemed the Iowa defender ran/knew the route before the ISU receiver did.
Gold jerseys look great in-game, seemed like Iowa's yellow pants were slightly washed out, but I guess that's the lighting doing its thing.
I think you're both right. Flats no longer exist and holes in the zone barely exist. As soon as I pick a receiver, 3 or 4 people get there well before the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
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Pitt and WVU both have first year coaches.
It's just a little too over-powering for my liking. Hopefully the sliders can make it play the way I like.Quote:
Originally Posted by souljahbill
This is true. Maybe not "quicker", but they at least react. On NCAA '10 and '11, I found that I had to either set my Pass Defense to Aggressive (go for the pick) or Conservative (go for the swat) in order to get my CPU defenders to do anything. If I left it on Balanced, too frequently I would just see the defender make no reaction to the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
On 12, if my opponent makes a costly throw, he'll pay for it. The CPU defenders will jump routes you'd never see them jump on '11, just by reacting to the ball.
Maybe it's offensive style, but I'm not having that problem. If a receiver is open, I can get him the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by souljahbill
Sorry if this has already been answered, but are you (and the computer) still able to spike the ball without a single second coming off the clock?
In the Pitt-WV video I only watched a couple plays, but WV was getting plays ran with only 1-3 seconds coming off the clock after a first down, so I assume so.
Has anyone that has the game played with a TB team
Here is a great post that I took from Operation Sports about how to fix no huddle offense. If you could send this to the programmers that would be great. Thanks!
"Differentiate the Spread No Huddle and the Hurry Up Offense
Playing in the ACC or Big 12 is a pain in this game. Nearly every team you face will sprint to the line after a play and will pretty much run a hurry up offense all game. It's a pain to watch and play against because of how unrealistic it is. I hate playing Clemson and having them go from a 5 wide set, to the I-Form and having WR's play the HB and FB positions.
EA needs to allow the offense to make substitutions when changing formations in the no huddle offense. This will not only slow the tempo down to get it more realistic, but will also make the offenses actually become big time threats to a defense because they will have their RB, TE, and FB run out onto the field and you either have to hope your nickel players can stop the run, or you need to call a time out.
Also, EA needs to let the defense change formations and have players run on and off the field so you can get your two extra LB's out there when going from a dime to a 4-3. But it should result in the risk of getting called for having too many men on field. This would add to the authenticity of the game. Imagine late in the game, a team completes a pass and you see their RB and FB running onto the field while two WR's run off. You want to try and get your 4-3 players out there, but the offense snaps the ball before all your men are off the field and it results in the offense getting a first down late in the game inside your red zone. This would just add to the strategy of the game even more.
Another thing that needs to be messed with is how quickly the offense snaps the ball. This isn't for the no huddle only, but all teams. I hate seeing a QB walk to the line, squatting down and hiking the ball with 26 seconds on the play clock. I'd like to see this fixed and an addition of a slider. Say putting the slider at 100 will give you the quick snaps we have now, but at 25 or so you'll see the QB snapping the ball with 10 seconds on the play clock. Even teams like TTU hardly ever get the snap off with over 15 seconds left on the play clock, yet in game, every team snaps it with over 25 seconds left unless they're running the clock down.
I hope someone important at EA reads this"
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Originally Posted by hornfan36
I believe this will allow for longer Qtr times instead of 8 mins it should make 10 min to 11 min the area to get realistic amounts of plays