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No, I agree and I think that it's something you could expect to be addressed somewhere down the line but other than that I'm afraid I can't really say when or how. I don't know if tuner sets can/would do the trick to be honest. I personally feel that ST needs an overhaul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotmadskillzson
ST does need a overhaul, the Spread punt and its counter part on the return part need to be added as well as more trick plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwizzy
Yeah that is the only part of the game that is missing now. FGs and punts shouldn't be automatic, which it has been for years now. If a team is rated high in special teams then they should be able to block FGs and Punts. Last year it didn't matter who you put on the line, they all got stoned wall. I even rated everybody on the line with 99 ratings across the board and they couldn't even come close to blocking the punt or FG. Automatic stone walling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwizzy
Kind of like what is the point of a team being graded A in special teams if they don't ever block anything ?
To me a Punters or Kickers awareness rating should determine how well or bad their line protects them. So if you had a punter or kicker with 60 awareness, his kicks should be more likely to be blocked. And some of the snaps should be bad and go over his head because of his low awareness rating.
Just some ideas I thought you could pass along to the developers.
I don't like this idea because the punter awareness doesn't effect the rest of the punt team, the punter awareness should be things like getting the ball off quick and if there is a high snap the awareness to pick it up and kick it or if its in the endzone to kick it out the back for a safety instead of a possible TD for the blockers running in. The Punt team should use their true blocking ratings and the center should have a long snap rating and on another note the regular Center in the offense should have a shotgun snap rating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotmadskillzson
I have another question after playing some '11 tonight. The CPU's backup interior offensive lineman was a full back! Yet he COMPLETELY stoned my all-american defensive tackle on nearly every play. I understand that fullback can block SOME but he shouldn't be able to play anything near dominating as an o-lineman. Does it seem like ht/wt and position have a greater impact on how players perform this year?
As it stands now, special teams don't even use their true block ratings, they never have. Don't matter if you put people with all 0's on the block line, nobody will get pass them. People automatically get stone walled. Been editing rosters for years and always test this out on special teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoleyLions
On special teams player ratings never did matter when it came to blocking on the punt or FG line.
I WON ONE half
Mississippi State (CPU) at South Carolina (me)
Rendering footage now, should be up overnight.
There's a great thread over on OS about the "No Huddle Offense" playing more like a "Hurry Up Offense". What they mean is that the CPU basically just runs up to the line already knowing their play and snapping the ball within like literally 2 seconds, which is nothing like a true No Huddle Offense. Is this fixed a little in the retail version? Will the CPU actually take some time before they snap in the no huddle offense?
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Originally Posted by Gotmadskillzson
Exactly that's why I said the punters rating should not effect anything as far as blocking or the snap, that the ratings of every player should matter more. You just basically said what I said just worded it differently.
I think a new kicking system that includes time from snap to kick, not only direction and power, should be implemented.
there just needs to be a whole bunch of new ratings added anyway, that would change the game dramatically. but thats probably a discussion for another time. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinWolv
Over all, I think we can all agree Special teams needs an over haul. There needs to be punt blocks and FG blocks by the cpu. Also needs to be bad snaps for punts and FGs. And finally the Return rating needs to actually mean something. Last year it didn't matter if the guy was rated 99 or 0, he ran back kicks and punts the same.
Just finished a game of Michigan (me) at Notre Dame (CPU)... 15 minute segment coming in the morning.
From the game, just thought I'd share some random thoughts.
- The game as a whole is definitely tougher this year, not only passing against man & zone but also running. Not sure if that's mostly a "new" effect but right now I don't believe so.
- With the new zone coverage, usering a zone defender is considerably harder this year since you don't know exactly what your teammates will do in given situations... it's a good thing in my opinion.
- The option read seems much more viable this year that last. I haven't used it a ton but I know last year you had to face a fairly poor defense in order to have success... that's not necessarily the case this year.
- Bad passing QBs seem to throw more errant passes this year... last year I thought they were way too accurate but playing with QB#16 for Michigan, I certainly missed out on some opportunities because he couldn't hit his target.
- With the improved defense, goalline offense is harder. Last year you could usually pound the rock up the middle a couple of times and pick up 5 yards in a couple of plays. I had 1st & 1.5 and after being stuffed inside three straight plays, I was finally able to run a toss and pick up the score but not certain if it was because the defense was keying on the middle or not.
- Fair number of drops this year... certainly not like NCAA06 or anything like that and also not sure if they're just poorly rated, but also still trying to determine if might be in the correct range or not.
- That said, great receivers can make great plays. Just saw a new animation (fairly sure) with WR#12 for Michigan dragging his feet as he went out of bounds on a corner route. I really was a thing of beauty. I have an EA highlight of it and will see if I can get it uploaded.
- I also played against Oklahoma State earlier and their QB certainly seemed to lose his cool early on. He threw a pick in my redzone which I returned for six and after that, he just fell to pieces throwing errant passes as well as another interception or two.
I also want to take a quick moment to say that I know there are quite a few questions in this thread (and others) that haven't been touched on... it's not that we're avoiding them but for me personally, unless I have a definitive answer, then I'm going to try to wait until I have a better grasp on the situation to give my best impression. I really don't want any sort of knee-jerk reactions (good or bad) influencing anything and then causing an uproar later on down the line when turns out we were wrong.
Along those lines, that's also why I'm posting as many gameplay videos as I can so that you guys can see specific things and then reference them in discussion... that way I can give an answer as to what was happening at that moment in the game, etc. Also, I'm hoping you guys might pick up on some trends in these videos that my eyes might not catch.
I promise, when all is said and done, I'll definitely try to provide as much information as I can.
I love knee-jerk reactions! I do them quite a bit! Just bring it Tommy!
:)
I do find it interesting that you find the game more difficult than last year. I'll have to see how it plays out. I'd love to hear from Steelerfan how his NCAA 11 sliders are performing on the retail copy of NCAA 12. He was using the same slider set at the community day (except for kicking power) so I was planning on using my same NCAA 11 slider set as well.
They'll give you a good starting point, Rudy. I have foung myself creeping many of them closer to 50 (a very good sign). In fact, probably 40% of my sliders, if not more, sit on 50. I've also had to increase FGP and FGA since the May CD. I now have FGP at 35 or 40 (it was at 10 on NCAA 11). My standard for FGP is to have the median kicker be able to have a range of 47 yards with no wind. This gives the worst leg a range of 40 or so and the best a range of 53 or so. I think the fact that I have FGP at 35 or 40 will make online guys much happier than last year. The automatic 55 yarders will be gone at default.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy
I've been messing around with sliders this morning as well and they seem pretty good, I don't think you'll have to go too far away from 50 in either direction.
Before I get the game on release I want to be able to compare your NCAA 11 with your NCAA 12 sliders. I'll make the same adjustments to my NCAA 11 sliders and use them as my base.
No problem. As I get closer to settling on sliders, I'll post 11 and 12 to give you an idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy
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Mississippi State (CPU) at South Carolina (me)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7cteSun-pE
Oklahoma State (CPU) at Arizona State (me)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bmgeAna7Aw
Michigan at Notre Dame still has at least two more hours of upload time before it will be ready.
That is awesome to hear that the game plays that great at almost 50 on the sliders. That is a great sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
I think they still do this... noticed it at least a few times occurring.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkeyeguy
Do fade routes actually work the way they suppose to ? As in a jump ball situation ?
How is the lead passing ? Last year in NCAA 11 I felt it was kind of too stiff. You had to jam the stick way too hard to lead a guy.
How is the upper body movement when it comes to shielding the ball to the left or right when you press up left or up right on the right stick ? Is it improved ? Didn't really work that well last year, it was quite unresponsive.
1) Posted this quick clip the other day... there appear to be more jump ball animations added as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotmadskillzson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfKHxIndl1Y
2) I didn't have exactly the same experience with 11 so I'm not the best to judge... I feel I have decent control over leading a receiver this year. Not sure that it's perfect but then again I haven't played with any elite QBs either.
3) I haven't done much with that so far this year... last year I didn't find it too hard, the only time I struggled is when I tried to do it too quickly, in other words jamming right-stick to 2 o'clock instead of how I think it's supposed to work in that going to 12 o'clock, then transitioning to 2 o'clock
Michigan (me) at Notre Dame (CPU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZaZXV2zsy0
One thing to note, I had to cut a couple of special teams segments in order to fit the beginning and the ending I wanted.
Got my first win! Baylor over Texas Tech. Finally got the monkey off my back! :D
That clip certainly looked like a nice jump ball.....it would be interesting to see how differently-rated CBs play it.Quote:
1) Posted this quick clip the other day... there appear to be more jump ball animations added as well.
For the record, that jump ball was in NCAA 11. The key is to tap the pass button & the just don't touch anything and see what happens. I would agree that I'd like to see a better developed fade & fade stop system put in but it has been possible since last year to run that exact play.Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinWolv
At 9:20 of the ND Michigan Game the announcer says something clueless.
Yeah, I've heard that a time or two... not sure why is triggering it but it's certainly not every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Downinthebend
Throwing on the run seems to be a little bit too accurate. I wish NCAA 12 had Madden's throwing attributes. They really need to expand the attributes. THP and THA isn't enough. Because grant it you have some QBs that can throw on the run, but then you have others like Michigan's #16 who can't. And over all he isn't that good at throwing the ball deep period.
But there is no way in NCAA to seperate the QBs who can throw deep, medium, short or on the run.
Wait, Denard can't throw on the run?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmmCAI8U_Vc
You can have the deep ball because you are right.
Wasn't in the playbooks I used, so I only tried it a couple times and it didn't seem to work right, so I didn't mess with it. Thanks for the info though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwizzy
Especially in RTG, I've thrown on the run and have thrown absolute crap passes....
Oh I dunno about plays with fades in them but hot route R-stick Up is a fade. I would always call a formation where it was trips one way & a single WR on the other side & hot route the single guy to the fade.Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinWolv
Yeah, I didn't think it really worked right, so I didn't bother. :)
What is QB DART and how does it work, and does it work in Ncaa?
F its the read of the DT instead of the DE, but I don't remember seeing it in use.
Err, it might be QB WRAP
DART is QB Wrap in NCAA
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After watching the Oregon/Auburn video, it is apparent that MOST of the time the CPU will go no huddle and snap the ball within 2 seconds (sometimes even less). Is it possible for them to have the CPU look to the sidelines EVERYTIME or CLOSE to everytime, or do they have to patch something like this?
They'd have to change the design of the no huddle system, I believe. This is the same behavior as in NCAA '11. They only look to the sidelines if you call an audible.Quote:
Originally Posted by umhester04
To do what you're talking about, I think, they'd have to have two different kinds of "no huddle". After all, in the two minute drill you wouldn't expect to see teams looking to the sidelines on every play. Whereas during regular gameplay, you do expect to see Oregon, Auburn, etc, looking to the sidelines.