I really hope the computers have Oregon vs. Alabama in the BCS title game, even if KSU and Notre Dame are undefeated as well. I think Oregin has the best shot at beating 'Bama.
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I really hope the computers have Oregon vs. Alabama in the BCS title game, even if KSU and Notre Dame are undefeated as well. I think Oregin has the best shot at beating 'Bama.
MVP said "title hunt" but what he really means is "impressive record". OSU may be ineligible, but we're still undefeated, and that's going to cause people to pay more attention to him. I don't know why you mentioned OSU's ineligibility or North Carolina's bowl ban. Neither has any bearing on whether or not a player should be considered for an individual reward.Quote:
Originally Posted by gigemaggs99
Also, we already threw out the Sophomore issue. Tim Tebow handled that for us.
I don't know who you're quoting, but they're probably talking more about looking at the season as a whole rather than individual contests. So you don't get caught up in "He ran for 500 yards against an FCS school! Heisman!" talk. Not that Manziel is doing that, but I think you get my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by gigemaggs99
And Kenyon Barner and Marcus Mariota are absolutely going to get looked at, especially after the way they ran through and over SC.
Any talk of AJ McCarron being a Heisman is ridiculous.
Anyone talking about that needs their head examined.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
USC cheating??? Tell me it isn't so.....:smh:
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/s...game-footballs
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Funny he acted all alone in this :smh:
Houston CB DJ Hayden is lucky to be alive after he suffered a freak injury in practice Tuesday evening:
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Nov. 8, 2012
HOUSTON - Houston football player D.J. Hayden was transported by ambulance from the University of Houston football practice facility to Memorial Hermann Hospital on Tuesday afternoon for evaluation of an injury sustained from a collision in practice.
Walter Lowe, M.D., University of Houston Head Team Physician, confirmed Thursday that Hayden required immediate surgery for a tear of the inferior vena cava, the large vein that carries blood from the lower half of the body back to the heart. Lowe described the injury as very serious and life threatening while commending the coordinated response from the University of Houston Athletics Training Staff, EMS paramedics and the trauma staff at Memorial Hermann.
Hayden is currently alert and in stable yet critical condition in Memorial Hermann ICU unit.
The University of Houston Athletics Department will release further updates on Hayden as they become available.
Statement from Walter Lowe, M.D., University of Houston Head Team Physician
"This injury has never been seen or reported in association with a football injury and is more associated with high speed motor vehicle injuries. The type of injury D.J. had is 95 percent fatal in the field and we are all very thankful for the coordinate response from the University of Houston trainers, EMS paramedics, the trauma team at Memorial Hermann and operating surgeon Dr. John Holcomb."
Statement from Tony Levine, University of Houston Head Football Coach
"D.J. is a tremendous young man and has been a great asset to our program, both on and off the field. I ask that everyone continue to keep D.J. and his family in their thoughts and prayers. We are very fortunate to have some of the nation's top physicians and medical facilities just minutes away from our campus and I would like to extend our appreciation for their efforts on Tuesday evening. We thank you for respecting the privacy of D.J. and his family at this time. We look forward to supporting D.J. on his road to recovery."
Fans wishing to send well-wishes to Hayden are encouraged to do so at at the Houston Athletics Facebook Page or via e-mail at uhcougarsdotcom@gmail.com
no reason to think of a conspiracy. he lost his job because of it. 3 of the balls were re-inflated before the game even started, and another 2 were re-inflated at halftime.Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
As much as I hate to agree with Lane Kiffin, he's right that there's no real advantage for USC from doing that. So no reason to have a conspiracy with that intent.Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
So why does the NCAA have rules in place to dictate the proper inflation of game balls? Just asking because saying "sure we broke the rules, but hey it doesn't really give either team an advantage" talk is exactly the kind of BS that hurts the NCAA in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
Also you really think this student manager deflated these balls with the sole purpose of not gaining an advantage? Did he do this because he wanted to get fired?
Just as a side note, I really don't care if the balls were under inflated or over inflated I just despise Lane Kiffin and everything he stands for. Felt I should give a little background of where I'm coming from to be fair to these last few posts within this thread.
sure it was to gain an advantage. deflated balls are easier to catch...but he obviously did a terrible job in letting the air out to the point that the refs caught 3 of the balls before the game even started. everyone has said that the stuend manager acted alone, even the student manager himself. he paid the price for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
furthermore, if you know what kind of person the AD Pat Haden is, there's zero chance that he would try to cover this up.
sidenote: i cant wait to see marqise lee become the next ironman on saturday.
Of course he would say that, what else is he going to say. I was told to do such and such and was following the direction of my peers?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp
I still call BS on this, just doesn't pass the smell test to me. I call for a NCAA investigation into lack of institutional control :D
Well, this is one piece of the story that hasn't been totally clear to me. My understanding is that the manager was deinflating the balls on the Oregon sideline. Now, foolishly, I took that to mean he was deinflating the balls used by Oregon. I forgot that A) that would never be allowed; and B) the teams both have their own footballs. Now, getting my head on straight, of course there's an advantage to an under-inflated ball (though obviously it wasn't enough to help).Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
And I, too, can't stand Lane Kiffin. That's why I hated to agree with him.
The student manager got the idea to deflate the balls himself? Riiiiiiight. Dan Patrick was talking about it this morning, and he's right.
Yeah I hope more comes from this :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinWolv
pat haden was one of the lead guys on the committee that just passed the new penalty rules for head coaches. if he found out LK told the student manager, he'd probably self impose penalties way harsher than what other schools would for the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
the student manager said he did it all on his own will. not everything is a conspiracy.
You don't think it's kind of funny that a little old student manager decided all by himself that hey I will see if this helps and I will drop the inflation slightly.
If you believe that then I got some things to sell you. Sure I'm going way overboard maybe with wanting USC to get slapped because of my dislike of lK but that doesn't change the fact that someone with more knowledge and authority had to have given that student manager direction.
it could be as simple as an honest mistake, that the student manager, thought the balls felt over-inflated, and decided to deflate them slightly, thereby doing his job. he might not have known that they were already approved for game use. according to ncaa rules, the footballs have to be between 12.5 and 13.5 psi. if the balls he deflated were at 12.3 or 12.2 (just missing the mark) it could very easily have been an honest mistake on his part. you may think its unlikely, but its very possible. additionally, the student manager was apparently seen deflating the balls in front of the oregon sideline before the game. oregon asked the refs to check it and the balls were deemed to be bad. honestly, if the intention to cheat was there, why would he do it in front of the oregon sideline? why not hide it?Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
i, for one, think its retarded to think that LK had anything to do with this, especially when you factor in that a deflated ball would hurt the kicking and punting game. the deflated balls wouldnt travel as far on the kickoffs or punts, and when oregon has de'anthony thomas back there, i dont think LK would have sacrificed a more catchable ball for his receivers at the expense of thomas running one back on him. USC's passing game has been great all year long.....why would LK suddenly order the balls to be under-inflated for the oregon game, when we havent needed to use deflated footballs at any point this year?
look at things with some common sense snoop. all the stories match there. the student manager said he acted alone, LK said no one on staff or any of his players knew about it. with pat haden being on the committee that just approved the new coaching penalties, if he found out that LK had a part in this, haden would have no problem firing LK and getting a head coach in there of his choosing. the kid was fired, not to cover USC's ass, but his actions resulted in the school being fined and reprimanded by the pac12.
All I can say is that if I were a student manager and someone above me told me to deflate the balls and I got fired when busted, I'd sing like a canary. If I was going down, I'd bring down anyone else involved that wasn't another student manager. That's all I'm saying.
So the questions I'm asking is the same ones that many people are asking yet I need to check my common sense? MVP, you seem to be a little sensitive today.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp
He's a little sensitive anytime someone talking about USC breaking rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
It's understandable, honestly. If it was Penn State or Ohio State I'm sure you and I would have the same reactions :D
yes, use common sense and you'll see that there's practically nothing here to suggest other people's involvement. why does everyone want to always believe the rumors instead of actual facts? :smh:Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
Oh I know Jeff, been through it a ton with the PSU thread for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
I actually haven't heard any rumors just questioning sole responsibility of said incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp
MVP, if your hypothetical is accurate that the balls were just every so slightly under inflation, you're right that there's no necessarily anything to suggest other involvement. That could be a manager just being poor at his job (or horrible at reading the PSI).
But it does seem ... unlikely ... that if the balls were obviously under-inflated that a student manager would do that on his own volition. Because if they were obviously under-inflated, then that suggests a conscious decision to cheat.
jeff, 2 of the under inflated balls were still used in the game, as they were refilled to regulation at halftime. that makes me think that they were just barely under the legal limit, and that it was an honest mistake on the student manager's part. not really a fireable offense, imo, however, his actions did lead to the university being fined and reprimanded by the conference. that alone got him canned.
if the 2 in play balls were obviously under-inflated, like say around 10-11 psi, more than a pound less than the acceptable limit, then that also falls on the refs as well, for failing to notice the difference. however, if you were matt barkley, would you want to practice all week with a football feeling a specific way, and then, during the biggest game of the season, you get a football that feels way different to you? in my mind, in the midst of the biggest game of the season, encountering a different feeling ball could be an unneccessary distraction....might also lead to some bad throws as well?
Well, if they were consciously cheating, Matt probably practiced with under-inflated balls all week ;) And under-inflated balls are generally thought to be easier to throw and catch, so maybe it offsets.
The devil is in the details in this one. I think how under-inflated they were is key to whether or not I believe this was the manager acting alone and/or an intentional attempt to cheat on his part.
under inflated balls also dont travel as far on kicks and punts, and the first kickoff of the game bounced like 9 yards deep in the endzone.
agreed on how under-inflated they were.....but those are details we probably wont know. i'm still gonna believe that they were only slightly below acceptable limit.
Yeah. That bus didn't just run him over. It did a burnout on his face.
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You heard it here first. A LOT of people will be using Texas A&M next year online in NCAA '14. Manziel is ridiculous!
With 7:59 left in the 1st quarter ... give it to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
My opinion may not be the same at the end of the game. But right now ... give it to him.
Manziel: 75 SPD in NCAA '13. A true fresh on A&M's roster (Matt Davis) is 90 SPD.Quote:
Originally Posted by souljahbill
Oops.
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Originally Posted by JeffHCross
Gig 'EM! :up:
Mike Leach in hot water again? WSU star WR leaves team due to abuse
http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/art...-football-team
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Originally Posted by JeffHCross
I'm not real big on changing rosters, the guys that do that put a lot of work into and I appreciate it. It's hard when no one had seen Manziel to know how to rank his stats. That being said, I've heard the def coor and off coor talk and shake their heads, they say he's one of the top 1-2 fastest guys on our team. So 75 spd probably doesn't do him justice.
I must say, I'm really liking the air raid and what Leach brings to it. I've always enjoyed watching him coach games, even when he was at ttu beating my AGGIES. That being said, I've seen and heard some rough things (i.e. USMC boot camp MCRD to name one) and this is not how I would give a post game VICTORY speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZaOFTp5_C8
I like Mike Leach on the field and how he calls a game, but this is over the top. Who knows if this is an isolated event but it's just over the top if you ask me. Keep in mind, they did WIN the game.
This is really funny, to hear all of this post game talk. It's funny to hear that bama had an "off week".
I can hear it now, A&M won BUT, this is their first year in the SEC, let's see how they do next year, and the year after that...blah blah blah...all I can say is let 'em talk.
We are supposed to have a HARD SEC road schedule, we won and it's not b/c we won, we won b/c bama had an off week. OK sure.
As far as Manziel goes, I think the Heisman is a joke, it's production. It's SUPPOSED to be about the best player on the field. Not who has the best pre/post game comments. Think of Tebow, he had that I'm not going to quit, you'll never see anyone play harder, etc.. etc.. the media ate that up and played it for all it was worth. It's a perfect campaign for the Heisman.
AJ. McCarren last week cries on national t.v. after the win vs lsu. Then this week they have an interview with him, he explains his actions, the announcers say something to the effect of, "oh there's a true candid answer, it takes a real man to do that"....he gets his time in the spotlight, he gets his time b/c the camera, the media eats that shit up, forces it down our throat, plays it over and over and makes a feel good story out of it. This doesn't explain to me how he is the best player on the field.
Kevin Sumlin doesn't allow Fresh and Soph to speak to the media period. Manziel doesn't have those interviews, those pre/post game speeches. The media has no hype, so they can't build him up, make him eat crow or prove his predictions correct by proving it with on the field play ala Tebow. I agree with Sumlin, let the players on the field PLAY do the talking. Manziel is talking with his play. The problem is the media can put a spin on it so there is no hype. Look at Case Keenum, again under Sumlin, Keenum didn't have a big production in the media, his numbers were amazing yet he was never really in the thick of it for the Heisman. Was his on the field play really that important or was it b/c he didn't have the media hype? What is the Heisman a real trophy or a media hype storm? RG III is a good Heisman winner if you ask me, he wasn't at a powerhouse school, he didn't play for the national championship, he didn't talk up a storm in the media, his on the field play did the talking. This is how it should be.
If you ask me, Manziel's body of work is much more impressive, he doesn't have all the interviews to back it up, he just plays on the field. If the trophy is supposed to go to the best college football player for the year, then Manziel's play should atleast have him in the talk if not near the top. Look at his stats, look at how he keeps us in the game, don't look for his pre/post game crying sessions, look at his play on the field.
And for once I can say we won a good game. I'm sure the bama fans will have their complaints about the refs or calls or whatever. My side of the story, I'm sure is maroon, but:
I thought the Offensive PI that was called prior to the ball being thrown and within the first 5 yards of the LOS was complete B.S. How can their be PI when the pass hasn't been thrown and you within 5 yards of the LOS? If the DB can bump you at the line, why can't the WR bump him back?
There was the TD when Michael was laying in the endzone, his upper body was in the endzone, they mark the ball on the 1 yardline, his knees and feet were at the 1, how can you mark that short? They review it and it's a clear TD. Strange....
If you throw a pass to the WR and he drags his toes then goes out of bounds it's a catch, when we picked off the pass and he put his toes down first then his heel it was ruled out of bounds...strange.....
When we run hurry-up and sub players in, bama gets a chance to bring in defensive players, the problem I had was they would line up on D stand there and the ref was STILL standing over the ball. Normally on a normal play when there is no hurry-up being ran the ref does NOT stand over the ball while the play clock is running. strange......
All that being said we came out on top. Some will say it's b/c bama had an off week, a let down game from when they played a real sec team (lsu)...let 'em talk...I think it's nice to go INTO Tuscaloosa with a conf USA rinky dink offense, an undersized big 12 def (holding bama's monster rushing attack to 122 yards on 31 attempts), had some questionable calls and come out top.
Amazing!
Gig 'em, Aggs!
Go Irish!
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Well, based on his 40 time coming out of high school (4.55, I believe), he should have been around the mid-80s, if you use the 40 times that recruits claim to have. Of course, we know those ratings don't match up to the rosters. I'd say mid to high 80s for his SPD. Matt Davis's 90 isn't that far off, he was clocked at a 4.4 in HS.Quote:
Originally Posted by gigemaggs99
Gus, you'll give yourself an aneurysm if you try to make logical sense out of the pundits and fans. Don't bother. :D FWIW, yes, Bama did have an off week. But that's not why they lost -- they lost because A&M took advantage of their mistakes and raced out to an early lead that they were able to hold onto. Not everyone is able to capitalize like that.
Yep, they gotta get that spin cycle going full speed, gotta try and do whatever it takes to keep Alabama firmly entrenched in the middle of the national title picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by gigemaggs99