Random College Football Discussion Thread

[bdoughty]

The Indians are going to have a field day with this one.

[gschwendt]

Honey Badger don't care about keeping his nose clean... 4 LSU players arrested for pot.
http://www.wafb.com/story/19918447/f...n-drug-charges

[bdoughty]

Honey Badger don't care about keeping his nose clean... 4 LSU players arrested for pot.
http://www.wafb.com/story/19918447/f...n-drug-charges

[JBHuskers]

Not actually college, rather High School but a high school in Miami had uniforms designed by ramjackson*
*yes these are real, no ramjackson didn't actually design them to my knowledge

I just read that these were donated by Flo Rida.

[JBHuskers]

Corso signed to a new two-year extension.

[baseballplyrmvp]

that sucks for marcus lattimore. hopefully his career isnt over.

[souljahbill]

Question: If Mississippi St. goes undefeated with wins over LSU, Alabama, and Florida in the SEC championship game, do they automatically get into the BCS game and if Oregon, Notre Dame, and K-State are all undefeated, who would they skip over to get in?

[baseballplyrmvp]

i would think that it'd be miss state vs oregon.

oregon still has to play at #9 USC, at cal, and at #7 oregon state (#17 stanford is home for them). notre dame plays at #8 oklahoma and at #9 USC. bc, pitt, and wake forest are gimmies for them. k-state plays both of their ranked opponents left at home.

to me, oregon's resume of teams left to be played is more impressive than notre dame's and k-state's.

[JeffHCross]

Miss State wouldn't "automatically" get in the title game by any means, but you can reasonably imagine that they would jump high enough to get in, especially if Florida also continues to win.

I agree with you, overall, mvp that Oregon's schedule is tougher, but Notre Dame and K-State have also had more difficult roads so far.

[JeffHCross]

Normally I love Mike & Mike, but it is very clear to me that they know much less about college football than they are acting like. Greenburg thinks the Big XII still has a conference championship, and Golic thinks the computer polls only look at one week at a time (and yet, somehow, thinks the human polls will remember that Notre Dame beat Stanford). The computer polls are the ones that remember, whereas I question whether or not the voters do.

[OSUCowboyofMD]

What football has become....

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...aleb-rowe-hurt
What's worse? This or the Madden curse -___-

[ram29jackson]

Not actually college, rather High School but a high school in Miami had uniforms designed by ramjackson*
*yes these are real, no ramjackson didn't actually design them to my knowledge

the helmet and the patch on the sleeve in the middle picture are ok. but I would never make pants that look like pajamas

[ram29jackson]

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[psusnoop]

uuuggghhh ooooooowwwwwwee

[gigemaggs99]

I think this confusion all started for me when Larry Fitzgerald got the shaft. They said he wasn't able to win the Heisman when he was a sophomore even though he was the best player in the nation. Then a few years later Tebow wins it as a Soph, so there went that theory.

Now I'm not sure what it takes to win the Heisman...it seems like I'm arguing with the media which basically can say whatever they want to get people talking but why in the hell isn't Johnny Manziel getting a sniff? They (the media) will sometimes say he maybe should be in the running, but then they said if you look at the body of work, maybe he'll be in the running in the next few years?

THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. Do you only win the Heisman if you have multiple years of success? I thought the Heisman winner was a yearly contest, not a body of work. If that's the case then they should ONLY allow 4 or 5 year seniors to be on the ballet and they should look at their entire 4 years body of work. I know that isn't going to happen b/c guys leave early and then other guys come in and start their Jr year, but why isn't Manziel an option for THIS YEAR's Heisman?

Look at these stats:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...johnny-manziel

Johnny Manziel:

PASSING STATS
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2012 203 305 66.6 2527 8.3 16 80 6 149.5


RUSHING STATS
YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
2012 138 922 6.7 72 15




Compared to these on the Heisman watch:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman12/

Collin Klein:

2012 SEASON
PASSING
RAT YDS TD INT CMP%
174.4 1875 12 2 71.1

RUSHING
YDS TD YPC
698 17 5.0


AJ McCarron:

2012 SEASON
PASSING
RAT YDS TD INT CMP%
173.5 1849 19 0 66.7

RUSHING
YDS TD YPC
-44 1 -1.3


Braxton Miller:

2012 SEASON
PASSING
RAT YDS TD INT CMP%
140.1 1753 14 6 56.9

RUSHING
YDS TD YPC
1166 13 6.3


Sorry for the stats no all lining up properly, the links show them better. I'm not saying he's the best in EVERY category but if you look at all of his stats compared the guys that are being talked about Johnny blows them out of the water.

Please do not say he's a system QB. Please do not say, "well look who he's playing, he's in a chump conference...."

The main thing that made me smile from yesterday's game was one announcer finally said something to the effect of, Well if he was doing this in the Big 12 or some other conference then I'd say otherwise, but he's doing this in what WE ALL (referring to the mass media) as the biggest and baddest conference the SEC.

It's just nice to win, but it's funny how everyone gave us a 0 chance coming from the big 12 with our conf usa offense, and too-small rebuilding defense.

I hope we continue to do well, will be a BIG test this week vs Alabama.

Gig 'Em Aggies!

Gus '99

[baseballplyrmvp]

probably the biggest reason: 2 a&m losses

you're not gonna win the heisman if your team isnt in the title hunt, unless you do something really special.

[JeffHCross]

That ^^^^. Especially if you're a QB, because then the losses are viewed as "on" you. If it was a WR and the QB was to blame for losses, that'd be one thing. But for a QB, a near perfect record is essential.

Now, if Maizel shows up Bama this weekend, that would be a different story. That would be "really special", as MVP said.

Going back to the Larry Fitzgerald comment ... note that until Tebow won, NO Sophomore had won the Heisman. So there was definitely a perception against a Sophomore winning the award. He obviously started a trend, as Sam Bradford and Mark Ingram then followed. But there was definitely a glass ceiling for sophomores before that season.

[gigemaggs99]

I guess we'll just see how things progress throughout the season. As far as the QB arguments and you need to be in a title hunt, that doesn't hold water for me when:

Braxton Miller is in the hunt of the Heisman. OSU can't even play in a bowl, not to mention he's a Sophomore.

Geno Smith, WVU has 3 losses.

Matt Barkley, USC has 3 losses.

Marqise Lee, USC has 3 losses.

Giovani Bernard, NC has 3 losses AND they have a bowl ban.

As far as Tebow goes, I think he just had really really good hype. Fitzgerald didn't have the hype but his numbers were FAR beyond impressive. The sophomore argument is what bothers me, I know Fitzgerald didn't win it b/c he was a soph, but then Tebow came along so it blew that theory out of the water that a soph couldn't win it. Now when they talk about Manziel they refer to him maybe being in the running in a year or two, they say you need to "look at his complete body of work"...that just rubs me wrong, were Tebow, Bradford, and Ingram all AWESOME for 4 years in a row before they were put on the Heisman watch? I think not. The Heisman is for the best player of the current year, not from all their combined years.

I do find it impressive that Oregon has 2 candidates on the Heisman watch. From what I've seen from watching Oregon this is VERY impressive as they usually pull their starters before half time. So these guys are getting those numbers in only 1/2 of a football game. Same with Manziel, he hasn't played the all of the 3rd and 4th quarter of our games vs SMU, South Carolina St, Arkansas, Auburn, or Ole Miss. If they kept him in there (which I agree they shouldn't) his numbers would be even more impressive, as would the Oregon players. I think they should take that into account, AJ McCarron has played the majority of their games all the way through.

I'm just saying when you're comparing stats you should take into account the amount they've played per game. It's like a double-edge sword if they left them in there, not only would it be dumb to risk injury and not let the backups have reps, but you would piss people off by running up the score, BUT you would get huge inflated numbers which is a plus for Heisman watching/stats. However, if you left them in there and you REALLY hammered the dog nuts out of the opponent then you would start to hear, well look at their "strength of schedule"...i.e. Oregon this year, they are killing everyone but you hear their schedule is weak, they play their 3rd and 4th string players starting 1/2 way through the 2nd quarter!

[baseballplyrmvp]

matt barkley and marqise lee wont be seriuos contenders unless USC wins out and those two continue to put up huge yards. pretty hard to vote for barkley if USC loses 4 or 5 games (that thought makes me sick).

another argument could be made for turnovers that manziel has. he's thrown 6 interceptions and fumbled a couple of times. compare that to klein and mccarron. i dont think braxton miller is a serious contender, mostly because of his passing efficiency (again, compared to klein and mccarron). iirc, tebow and bradford turned the ball over very little in their heisman campaigns.

[gigemaggs99]

another argument could be made for turnovers that manziel has. he's thrown 6 interceptions and fumbled a couple of times.

LOL, well I guess compared to what we'er used to 6 is doing pretty good, sad to say. Ryan Tannehill threw 15 last year. The year before that he had 6 and Jerrod Johnson had 9 so if we can keep it to less than 15 for the year it's a step in the right direction.