Article: GTTV: NCAA Football 13 Gameplay Reveal

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Originally Posted by xMrHitStickx904

" DB #7 " definitely ran the receivers' route a few times during those clips lol.

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I dunno...I have to ask the question. How does EA emulate a shutdown corner? B/c #7 will most likely be a 99 rating. Shutdown corners take half the field away and I've heard people describe these elite corners as having the ability to run the route better than the wr. When in man coverage shouldn't the db look at the receiver the whole time and only turn to look for the ball when the receiver does? ...I'm not saying its right I just think #7 is a bad example.

This also bring up another point. How does EA program bad plays? Blown coverages or misplaying a ball? I think sometimes we want to see these players play perfectly every time but is that really what we want?

...again, I'm by no means saying the game is or ever will be perfect but I think looking at these AI issues as 'bad plays' can improve her enjoyment of the game tremendously.



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I like the idea of icons that dim and brighten. It adds an element to passing without going to extremes like the absurd vision cone. We'll have to see how it plays.

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Originally Posted by Deuce

I dunno...I have to ask the question. How does EA emulate a shutdown corner? B/c #7 will most likely be a 99 rating. Shutdown corners take half the field away and I've heard people describe these elite corners as having the ability to run the route better than the wr. When in man coverage shouldn't the db look at the receiver the whole time and only turn to look for the ball when the receiver does? ...I'm not saying its right I just think #7 is a bad example.

This also bring up another point. How does EA program bad plays? Blown coverages or misplaying a ball? I think sometimes we want to see these players play perfectly every time but is that really what we want?

...again, I'm by no means saying the game is or ever will be perfect but I think looking at these AI issues as 'bad plays' can improve her enjoyment of the game tremendously.



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In several clips he was literally 3 yards ahead of the receiver. If that were to happen in a real life situation, the receiver would just turn the other way and be completely wide open, especially in man coverage. I can understand jumping a route, but I can not understand a DB running ahead of a receiver by 3 yards. It was a huge problem last year and a huge problem the year before.

I just hope it's not an issue again this year.

I need to watch it again. To me it looked like he was almost attached to the wr until the ball was thrown then broke off to make a play on the ball.

I know it's been an issue for a while so hopefully they continue to improve on it.


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Originally Posted by Deuce

I dunno...I have to ask the question. How does EA emulate a shutdown corner? B/c #7 will most likely be a 99 rating. Shutdown corners take half the field away and I've heard people describe these elite corners as having the ability to run the route better than the wr. When in man coverage shouldn't the db look at the receiver the whole time and only turn to look for the ball when the receiver does? ...I'm not saying its right I just think #7 is a bad example.

This also bring up another point. How does EA program bad plays? Blown coverages or misplaying a ball? I think sometimes we want to see these players play perfectly every time but is that really what we want?

...again, I'm by no means saying the game is or ever will be perfect but I think looking at these AI issues as 'bad plays' can improve her enjoyment of the game tremendously.



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I get what you're saying here, it's definitely valid with the emulation of a shutdown corner. thing is, NCAA corners in general aren't shutdown corners on a level like that. But I agree with I OU, even the best corners aren't 3 yards in front of a receiver, & against man coverage, the more complex offenses have choice route to combat corners who over play short or medium routes. It won't be perfect, it's impossible, but I'm interested to see if the new passing mechanics will allow us to throw not only to a spot before the receiver gets there, but if we could pinpoint passes to either shoulder, the hip pocket, breast plate etc. That right there, in addition to new trajectory could revolutionize passing. In fact, it makes running the Air Raid more fun x100.

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Originally Posted by Dr Death

Chris, I know you can't answer anything now, but I want to ask a question that will hopefully be addressed Tuesday in the Video Blog or, if not, maybe you can answer after that. In regards to the WR icons not showing up or lighting up my question is this:

Let's say I am in 5-wide and run what EA calls Smash, or in the :Cincinnati: playbook it's called Bearcat Smash, but let's say I call that play w/ the trips side to the left and I am on the left hash. I recognize that the D is in Cover 2, thus my inside WR on the trips side - who's running a post route - should be open. The middle WR on the trips side and the inside WR on the other side are running Corner routes, so they should tie up the FS/SS. Okay... so at the snap of the ball I notice my LT getting beaten badly by the DE and I know if I hold the ball it's going to be a sack...

Can I choose to throw to the WR running the post route if I put touch on the ball and lead him to the post even though his icon isn't lit up and if so, once he makes the break for the post, will he then turn and locate the ball? This would be realistic and would be something you see in college and pro quite a bit... a QB throwing the ball to a spot, knowing his WR will get there but also avoiding a sack.

Again, I know you can't answer now, but would really appreciate an answer if they don't cover this on Tuesday. Thanks so much!

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yeah I was kind of wondering the same thing. Not so much in the I'm getting blitzed and need to get rid of the ball quickly, but more so in the timing routes that are very prevalent in football.

Hopefully it will have something to do with how well the WR is rated. Does Play recognition even matter for WR's? This would be huge for option routes and seeing blitzes.

I do like the animations of the USC QB at the 14:04 mark, nice touch when he brings his left arm closer to the body as a more natural and realistic look, nice touch...

One thing I did notice at the 14:16 mark is that when the WR's icon lights up, the WR's head turns to look for the ball. This occured on all the routes except for the :360a: receiver. I believe the :360a: WR was running a curl or out route and his icon actually lit up a little before he turned. This would make sense because as soon as he turns the ball is supposed to be there on routes like that. This definitely adds a lot more realism to the passing game, and should result in well timed passes.

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Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn

I don't know, but I still saw corners running the route ahead of the receiver in several of the clips they showed last night. I thought it was funny because as soon as he said psychic DBs are gone, the very next clip the DB was like 3 yards ahead of the receiver running an in route. :D

I don't know if it was footage from '11 showing what they meant, but I hope to God they removed that. Not only does it highly disrupt the passing game, it's just plain annoying to see.

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That was my first reaction too. I was talking to myself saying that the LSU DB was running the route. If that is the case, frankly all of the other passing game changes are meaningless.

That Oklahoma State uniform needs to be fixed!

I like the idea of having to see the ball for WRs and DBs (no more psychic stuff) and the pass trajectories but the video didn't actually show this. Hopefully EA will provide a video showcasing the different trajectories.

The players still have almost no weight and momentum in that video. I just hate how EA does player movement in NCAA football. At least I saw a working juke move.

does having to see the ball to make a play on it mean no more over the shoulder ints for the cpu? :o

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Originally Posted by Rudy

At least I saw a working juke move.

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Um, no, that was NOT a working juke. That was a cartoony move. Running downfield and then juking backwards on the fly.... This is why I didn't agree with the few of you who wanted "more" juke. It's not even realistic!

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Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn

In several clips he was literally 3 yards ahead of the receiver. If that were to happen in a real life situation, the receiver would just turn the other way and be completely wide open, especially in man coverage. I can understand jumping a route, but I can not understand a DB running ahead of a receiver by 3 yards. It was a huge problem last year and a huge problem the year before.

I just hope it's not an issue again this year.

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I haven't totally agreed with I OU in the past, but here I am 100% in his corner. A great db does not "run the route" before the receiver because he gets toasted that way. Instead he plays a close trail technique and then jumps the route at the breaking point once he realizes what the route is! The only route that a db can jump before the receiver makes a break is the curl, but if that's the case I hope the double move is properly worked.

this game would probley be the best game to date... except that cinny bearcats new qb sucks........ they got a great new fresman qb could u please overrate him?

I thought you could lead the pass these last few years already?

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson

I thought you could lead the pass these last few years already?

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Same thing I was thinking.

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Originally Posted by JerzeyReign

Same thing I was thinking.

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You can. I'm guessing this had something to do with the 25 trajectories. :dunno:

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Originally Posted by Jayrah

Um, no, that was NOT a working juke. That was a cartoony move. Running downfield and then juking backwards on the fly.... This is why I didn't agree with the few of you who wanted "more" juke. It's not even realistic!

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I agree but my whole point about the juke move in the past was I want to be able to make people miss. A more realistic juke would be preferred IF player momentum is done right. Players make defenders miss constantly in a football game by using a simple cut and watch the defender fly by as he can't stop in time to make the tackle. That doesn't happen in EA NCAA Football. They just mirror your every move.

I'm sorry but I just can't let this area go. After feeling screwed over by NCAA 12 I would get annoyed every time I watched football on the weekends and watch offensive guys set up defenders by using their weight against them. I just felt I couldn't do that in NCAA 12 and it really hurt the fun factor while playing. I'd rather have a cartoony move than nothing that works but I would really prefer a football game where the player movement is much closer to reality (and NCAA 13 will definitely not have this from what I've seen).

Anyway, I'll have to wait and see how these trajectories really help the passing game. I'd like to hear more about timing routes and if they can be pulled off a little easier. I've always felt it's been too hard to throw those deep comebacks on the outside since they are timing routes which the game doesn't let you pull off well. Combine that with psychic DBs and WRs that don't fight for the ball and those routes were just far too risky to throw in the game.

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Originally Posted by OSUCowboyofMD

That Oklahoma State uniform needs to be fixed!

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I don't know exactly what of the Okie State uniforms will be offered in the Amazon pre-order download, but I don't think there's reason to worry that the uniform won't be correct in game.

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Um, no, that was NOT a working juke. That was a cartoony move. Running downfield and then juking backwards on the fly.... This is why I didn't agree with the few of you who wanted "more" juke. It's not even realistic!

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Exactly!

When will the option to throw the ball in the dirt intentionally be added? Like when a screen pass is covered up and the QB just throws it at the receiver's feet.

I have watched that clip about 25 times this morning. Some of the passes dropping in over the LB 's look great. In addition, the QB drop back animations do appear to be more differentiated. However, I cannot get over the claim there are no psychic DB's and then watching two clips of the DB running the route of the receiver and turning on a dime to make a pick. I really, really, really hope this is OLD footage and that on Tuesday we will see something entirely different. I can't lie though... that DB footage really concerns me a little more each time I watch it.

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Originally Posted by jaymo76

I have watched that clip about 25 times this morning. Some of the passes dropping in over the LB 's look great. In addition, the QB drop back animations do appear to be more differentiated. However, I cannot get over the claim there are no psychic DB's and then watching two clips of the DB running the route of the receiver and turning on a dime to make a pick. I really, really, really hope this is OLD footage and that on Tuesday we will see something entirely different. I can't lie though... that DB footage really concerns me a little more each time I watch it.

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Originally Posted by Rudy

I agree but my whole point about the juke move in the past was I want to be able to make people miss. A more realistic juke would be preferred IF player momentum is done right. Players make defenders miss constantly in a football game by using a simple cut and watch the defender fly by as he can't stop in time to make the tackle. That doesn't happen in EA NCAA Football. They just mirror your every move.

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You can do these things in '12 with the left stick. :dunno: Granted the scat backs or those with high elusiveness were more successful. Is your issue that you want the "juke" stick to do this? I'm confused. :confused:

As far as the video goes, eh...I'll wait til Tuesday. Too early to make assumptions at this point.

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Originally Posted by Paakaa10

I don't know exactly what of the Okie State uniforms will be offered in the Amazon pre-order download, but I don't think there's reason to worry that the uniform won't be correct in game.

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But what exactly is the Oklahoma State pro combat uniform? In the video, it shows they have a number on their shoulder, but in real life, they don't. http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...jpg?1333313341

That juke move was horrible, I couldn't even imagine myself or anybody else fluidly juking like that in a game. PS2 jukes should be brought back IMO.

Also, this may have been said before, but I wonder if we can throw to receivers even when the icon isn't lit. I hope we can, especially for spread, timing offenses.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

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Hasn't it been a work in progress for about 5 years now? :D

I personally believe the time for that excuse has expired. It's very simple: a DB should never, ever, ever, ever run a route ahead of a receiver, especially if they are in man coverage. It should never happen. The fact that it does happen and the fact that it completely disrupts the passing game should create a sense of urgency within EA to get it corrected. It's unrealistic, and let's be honest, it looks stupid as hell. There are zero excuses as to why this is still in the game.

Like jaymo, I'm honestly hoping it's footage they used just to show what they meant when they said "psychic DBs," but unlike everyone else, I'm also fairly confident that was '13 footage, which means the monstrosity is still there.

What in holy hell was that "Juke" move?? Also do we get more throwing styles this year? Or is that something there looking into next year

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Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn

Hasn't it been a work in progress for about 5 years now? :D

I personally believe the time for that excuse has expired. It's very simple: a DB should never, ever, ever, ever run a route ahead of a receiver, especially if they are in man coverage. It should never happen. The fact that it does happen and the fact that it completely disrupts the passing game should create a sense of urgency within EA to get it corrected. It's unrealistic, and let's be honest, it looks stupid as hell. There are zero excuses as to why this is still in the game.

Like jaymo, I'm honestly hoping it's footage they used just to show what they meant when they said "psychic DBs," but unlike everyone else, I'm also fairly confident that was '13 footage, which means the monstrosity is still there.

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Ok, smartass.

You're fucking looking at footage in April, and you expect it to be the release day product?

I understand the want for psychic DBs to be gone, I want that too. But to ignore the fact that it's April is dumb as shit.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

Ok, smartass.

You're fucking looking at footage in April, and you expect it to be the release day product?

I understand the want for psychic DBs to be gone, I want that too. But to ignore the fact that it's April is dumb as shit.

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You are aware that they're on a one year development cycle, right? You do realize that because of that, they only have about another two months to actually work on this year's game, right? Do you honestly expect me to believe that they're going to fix something in two months that they haven't been able to fix in 6 years? Hell, forget about the other games, they've been working on this one for about 8 or 9 months, so I'll ask again: do you expect me to believe they're going to be able to fix something in 2 months that they haven't been able to fix in 9?

I'm not being a smartass...I'm using common sense. Because of their one year development cycle, when April comes around, they don't have very much time left and yes, their April builds(aside from graphics, maybe) are going to play almost identically to their final builds.

Now, with that said, I'm not going to do what I did last year and argue with you. You've proven time and time again that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and your only goal is to apparently jump down people's throats when they point out issues, so I'm not going to waste my time with you. I post legitimate issues without bashing anyone as I've always done, so if you can't add anything of worth, don't bother even reading my posts. It'll save us both the trouble.

quick comment on that : I played NCAA 12 before any patches, compared it to the demo that we have, & it virtually played the same. So, I'm not really convinced that a bunch of changes happen once the April development stages happen. Not saying that psychic DB's will be, or won't be gone, I just think it's worth pointing out. With that said, it is a WIP, but it's also worth pointing out that the game in April & May isn't very different from retail. It only seems that way because of patches that are released before the release date & patches that drop a week or so after. There was more pressure to have a great game on PS2 because true patch technology for those consoles & games didn't exist. We were stuck with what we got.

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Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn

You are aware that they're on a one year development cycle, right? You do realize that because of that, they only have about another two months to actually work on this year's game, right? Do you honestly expect me to believe that they're going to fix something in two months that they haven't been able to fix in 6 years? Hell, forget about the other games, they've been working on this one for about 8 or 9 months, so I'll ask again: do you expect me to believe they're going to be able to fix something in 2 months that they haven't been able to fix in 9?

I'm not being a smartass...I'm using common sense. Because of their one year development cycle, when April comes around, they don't have very much time left and yes, their April builds(aside from graphics, maybe) are going to play almost identically to their final builds.

Now, with that said, I'm not going to do what I did last year and argue with you. You've proven time and time again that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and your only goal is to apparently jump down people's throats when they point out issues, so I'm not going to waste my time with you. I post legitimate issues without bashing anyone as I've always done, so if you can't add anything of worth, don't bother even reading my posts. It'll save us both the trouble.

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Again, it is April. There is a difference between April and July. Having never played the game in April, you are the one who doesn't know what they're talking about.

In addition, how do you know that footage was from April and not November? You don't.

And no, I don't expect you to believe anything. Some of us, including some that won't say anything, get tired of every EA announcement, or early release of footage being met with this same tired BS.

To say you don't bash anyone is an absolute joke.

To say you're not going to discuss anything with me is funny, since you quoted me to start the conversation.

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Originally Posted by xMrHitStickx904

quick comment on that : I played NCAA 12 before any patches, compared it to the demo that we have, & it virtually played the same. So, I'm not really convinced that a bunch of changes happen once the April development stages happen. Not saying that psychic DB's will be, or won't be gone, I just think it's worth pointing out. With that said, it is a WIP, but it's also worth pointing out that the game in April & May isn't very different from retail. It only seems that way because of patches that are released before the release date & patches that drop a week or so after. There was more pressure to have a great game on PS2 because true patch technology for those consoles & games didn't exist. We were stuck with what we got.

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I can agree with alot of what you say here. However, games were "patched" after release on the PS2. Game developers would fix things, and the newer discs contained the fixes. The guys who bought a game close to release were screwed. The people who bought it a few months later, got a "patched" disc. Every game/company did this.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

I can agree with alot of what you say here. However, games were "patched" after release on the PS2. Game developers would fix things, and the newer discs contained the fixes. The guys who bought a game close to release were screwed. The people who bought it a few months later, got a "patched" disc. Every game/company did this.

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That, I didn't know. I knew in some cases (GTA San Andreas) that there were new versions of the game that dropped to patch certain things, but I wasn't aware that EA practiced that. Probably because most of the NCAA/Madden games that came out, I was happy with.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

Again, it is April. There is a difference between April and July. Having never played the game in April, you are the one who doesn't know what they're talking about.

In addition, how do you know that footage was from April and not November? You don't.

And no, I don't expect you to believe anything. Some of us, including some that won't say anything, get tired of every EA announcement, or early release of footage being met with this same tired BS.

To say you don't bash anyone is an absolute joke.

To say you're not going to discuss anything with me is funny, since you quoted me to start the conversation.

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Nothing is done in July except patchwork because the game has already shipped at that point, meaning they only have about two months from today to continue to work on NCAA. While I've never played an April build, I've seen videos. I said during April of last year after the first video that kick off returns would be overpowered. Guess what was overpowered in July? I said the pass rush still looked like it was too unaffective. Guess what was too unaffective in July? I said that DBs were running routes ahead of the receiver, so can you guess what they were still doing in July?

I'm all for giving them a chance, which is obvious since I do buy this game every single year. But to tell me that there's significant changes between April and July(and removing psychic DBs would be just that), well...I'm not buying it. I know better. You can tell yourself otherwise, but that's your business.

I don't understand what you mean by I wont believe anything, so could you elaborate? I watched the video that EA released. It clearly shows a DB running a route ahead of the receiver in not just one, but several clips. Do you want me to believe that I just dreamed that up or what? Do you want me to believe that the issue has been solved even though it's been the same for 6 years? Do you want me to believe that the same exact issue that has been broken for 6 years AND appeared in their newest video is imaginary? I don't know what else to say on that topic...it's in the video.

As for getting tired of the "BS," sorry if it hurts your feelings, but I don't care. EA released the video and I came here to talk aout it. If it hurts your feelings or angers you that I don't feel the same way about the game and it's possible issues, then you probably should just ignore my posts. I'm not going to jelly coat everything EA does. I saw an issue in the video that EA clearly stated was resolved, so I posted about it. I didn't once bash EA over it, nor did I bash anyone who didn't agree with me, so I truly do not see the problem.

Hope that clears things up.

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Originally Posted by xMrHitStickx904

That, I didn't know. I knew in some cases (GTA San Andreas) that there were new versions of the game that dropped to patch certain things, but I wasn't aware that EA practiced that. Probably because most of the NCAA/Madden games that came out, I was happy with.

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I don't have specific knowledge of EA doing that. I just know it was a common practice back in the day

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Originally Posted by OSUCowboyofMD

But what exactly is the Oklahoma State pro combat uniform?

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I've had the same question on my mind, since they weren't a "special" Pro Combat team last year; I would assume that one of the uniform combinations will just be used as the Amazon pre-order bonus, though I have no 100% official confirmation on that.

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In the video, it shows they have a number on their shoulder, but in real life, they don't.

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Didn't notice that on the first viewing, but saw it towards the end of the video re-watching it now. My thought would be one of two things, though again I have nothing to confirm it:

1. It's a "throwback" uniform from a time when the jerseys had numbers on the shoulders.
2. It's a work-in-progress and may not be indicative of final product.

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I suppose a third possibility could be that the Oklahoma State uniform set is getting shoulder numbers for the 2012 season and that uniform piece has just had its unofficial unveiling. Hard to know at this stage of things.

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Originally Posted by Marlowe

You can do these things in '12 with the left stick. :dunno: Granted the scat backs or those with high elusiveness were more successful. Is your issue that you want the "juke" stick to do this? I'm confused. :confused:

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Yes! I want the r-stick juke to return. Along with a more effective truck move and stiff arm. Ditch the dual stick cover up system. It's freaking useless.

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Originally Posted by xMrHitStickx904

That juke move was horrible, I couldn't even imagine myself or anybody else fluidly juking like that in a game. PS2 jukes should be brought back IMO.

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I loved the PS2 juke (which was over-powered as well but fun). The movement of the players on the PS2 was just so much better than what we have on the PS3 imo.

I will apologize again for derailing the thread on player movement, momentum and the juke. I won't comment anymore in this thread (I'll really try, promise). It's just something that has grown to annoy me a great deal even though I know quite a few of you don't agree with me on the juke.

While I'm keeping things off topic, I'd love to see EA offer some old PS2 titles on PSN, especially if they upscaled it so it looked half decent in HD. If they sold an upscaled NCAA 06 on the PSN I would jump all over it for my college football fix.

I'd pay $150 for NCAA '04 with updated graphics and online/achievement support. I'm not joking, either.

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Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn

I'd pay $150 for NCAA '04 with updated graphics and online/achievement support. I'm not joking, either.

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