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beartide06

05-29-2013, 09:40 PM

Absolutely. If I ever buy a console, it most definitely won't be this one unless something is done about the Kinect bullshit.

Not only that, but it seems the majority of what Microsoft presented was... off. I mean, always listening Kinect, region locked, controversial used game issues, checking in once every 24 hours, etc., etc. The list goes on.

To me, they are making a mistake going this route, and I don't think it will benefit them in any way. They HAVE to come out with something amazing at E3, or they are just going to suffer. I purchased the PS1 and PS2, and made the jump to 360 because of Xbox Live, mainly, and the way I was able to connect with others to PLAY GAMES. Now, they are wanting to cater to the masses, but I feel like it's going to backfire.

oweb26

05-29-2013, 10:51 PM

I OU a Beatn

05-29-2013, 11:31 PM

Some of this stuff I am truly hoping to just be rumors, I mean read some of the things that has come out and all you can think is...." These guys aren't that stupid are they?" No company in their right mind should mandate you log on every 24 hours where does that even make sense at......the always listening Kinect, I feel like at this point even if this stuff was the case I sure as hell hope its not anymore.

The used game stuff is kinda a non factor for me, as I truly think 90% of my gaming is about to go over to PC as I really enjoy a good strategy game more than anything now days , all I need a console for is football and a shooter just to play with friends.

Both of those were already confirmed. The Xbox One needs to be connected at least once every 24 hours or it wont be able to play any games. The reason for this is that once every 24 hours, your licenses on the games you own are validated to make sure you still have the rights to them and didn't trade it away to another user.

The Kinect listening all the time is also confirmed. You can turn the camera portion of it off, but it is listening to you 100% of the time. The only time it is turned off and not listening is when the console is completely powered off.

oweb26

05-30-2013, 05:28 AM

Both of those were already confirmed. The Xbox One needs to be connected at least once every 24 hours or it wont be able to play any games. The reason for this is that once every 24 hours, your licenses on the games you own are validated to make sure you still have the rights to them and didn't trade it away to another user.

The Kinect listening all the time is also confirmed. You can turn the camera portion of it off, but it is listening to you 100% of the time. The only time it is turned off and not listening is when the console is completely powered off.

What do you mean completely powered off? Is there any other kind of off, or does it have a "standby" mode?

If all has been confirmed then I am not getting it myself its pretty simple, I was simply stating that maybe since some of this backlash has hit they pull back the reigns on some of the these initial things they thought were "cool"

bdoughty

05-30-2013, 06:23 AM

What do you mean completely powered off? Is there any other kind of off, or does it have a "standby" mode?

http://kotaku.com/xbox-ones-kinect-can-turn-off-microsoft-says-noting-510100564

CLW

05-30-2013, 06:50 AM

Another article re: privacy concerns.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/new-game-console-xbox-one-will-have-always-on-camera-and-mic/

bdoughty

05-30-2013, 07:15 AM

Another article re: privacy concerns.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/new-game-console-xbox-one-will-have-always-on-camera-and-mic/

and it will eat your children, screw your sister, kick your dog and take a large flaming dump in the Something Wonderful Thread.

CLW

05-30-2013, 07:19 AM

and it will eat your children, screw your sister, kick your dog and take a large flaming dump in the Something Wonderful Thread.

Those bastards! :whoa:

SmoothPancakes

05-30-2013, 07:24 AM

and it will eat your children, screw your sister, kick your dog and take a large flaming dump in the Something Wonderful Thread.

I will not eat your children or kick your dog. Now if your sister is hot, then there might be some screwing about to happen there.

JBHuskers

05-30-2013, 10:02 AM

and it will eat your children, screw your sister, kick your dog and take a large flaming dump in the Something Wonderful Thread.

So basically, it's Mike Tyson.

I OU a Beatn

05-30-2013, 10:41 AM

What do you mean completely powered off? Is there any other kind of off, or does it have a "standby" mode?

If all has been confirmed then I am not getting it myself its pretty simple, I was simply stating that maybe since some of this backlash has hit they pull back the reigns on some of the these initial things they thought were "cool"

There's a low power mode where the system isn't completely off, and in that mode, Kinect is still listening. The absolutely only time Kinect isn't listening is when it's completely powered off.

JBHuskers

05-30-2013, 10:50 AM

I did a Google Image Search, and was very surprised there were no results. So I took things into my own hands with the meme generator...

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/Forum%20Pictures/kinect_zps1606a89d.png

CLW

05-30-2013, 12:09 PM

CLW

05-30-2013, 12:19 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY8ukZUkx9s

JBHuskers

05-30-2013, 01:43 PM

AND LISTENING TOO.... :nod:

fap fap fap fap :D

steelerfan

05-30-2013, 06:41 PM

I took things into my own hands...

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/Forum%20Pictures/kinect_zps1606a89d.png

:D

I see what you did there! (That's what xbox One said)

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

JBHuskers

05-30-2013, 07:13 PM

:D

I see what you did there! (That's what xbox One said)

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

:D :D

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baseballplyrmvp

05-30-2013, 11:55 PM

steelerfan

05-31-2013, 12:10 AM

dammit. i'm completely fucked. :fdown: :D

Manually, yes you are. And your xbox will report it to Big Brother. :nod:

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

JBHuskers

05-31-2013, 12:16 AM

Manually, yes you are. And your xbox will report it to Big Brother. :nod:

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

Dates, times, time trials, porn category, the whole nine yards will be reported to Big Brother.

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SmoothPancakes

05-31-2013, 12:42 AM

Dates, times, time trials, porn category, the whole nine yards will be reported to Big Brother.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 4 Beta

Will there be achievements and leaderboards?

steelerfan

05-31-2013, 12:58 AM

Will there be achievements and leaderboards?

:D

JB! Top of the league!

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

JBHuskers

05-31-2013, 01:09 AM

:D

JB! Top of the league!

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

Speed and accuracy are a must.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 4 Beta

CLW

05-31-2013, 12:39 PM

http://www.fastcodesign.com/1672641/microsofts-home-20-will-connect-xbox-one-to-the-internet-of-things

CLW

05-31-2013, 01:14 PM

Article about warantless searches for Google data but just shows what the government could try to do with Microsoft. Would MS fight this in court or would they just cough up their XBoxOne data no questions asked?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57587005-38/justice-department-tries-to-force-google-to-hand-over-user-data/ (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57587005-38/justice-department-tries-to-force-google-to-hand-over-user-data/)

CLW

05-31-2013, 02:56 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gaRnlNbiPI

CLW

05-31-2013, 04:08 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFMKqNi8FU0

Kinect - we collect; sell and give away your private data but hey its great for children's games. :nod:

JBHuskers

05-31-2013, 06:51 PM

Yeah....I made another one.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/38298560_zps8a28fd8e.jpg

psuexv

05-31-2013, 07:38 PM

Yeah....I made another one.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/38298560_zps8a28fd8e.jpg

This could be useful.

psuexv

05-31-2013, 07:41 PM

Yeah....I made another one.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/38298560_zps8a28fd8e.jpg

"Hey Eric, it's time to switch hands. You're dick is gonna start bending sideways"

SmoothPancakes

05-31-2013, 08:40 PM

Electrical tape or duct tape over both the camera and microphone, problem solved. Can't be watched, can't be listened to.

CLW

05-31-2013, 09:48 PM

Electrical tape or duct tape over both the camera and microphone, problem solved. Can't be watched, can't be listened to.

Unless it senses that and as a result will not let you use your XBoxOne.

steelerfan

05-31-2013, 09:51 PM

I wanted a silver car. Instead, I bought a red one and put silver duct tape over all the red paint. Problem solved.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

baseballplyrmvp

05-31-2013, 11:31 PM

I wanted a silver car. Instead, I bought a red one and put silver duct tape over all the red paint. Problem solved.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

are you suggesting that we buy a ps4, and put a cardboard box over it, painted like a Xbox1?

steelerfan

05-31-2013, 11:47 PM

are you suggesting that we buy a ps4, and put a cardboard box over it, painted like a Xbox1?

:D

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

SmoothPancakes

06-01-2013, 12:02 AM

I wanted a silver car. Instead, I bought a red one and put silver duct tape over all the red paint. Problem solved.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

Hey, just offering a suggestion, if someone doesn't want to deal with the camera or mic, block them off. It's better than just incessantly bitching and moaning about it.

CLW

06-01-2013, 07:42 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0H8Sc-SfP0

I OU a Beatn

06-03-2013, 05:37 PM

Electrical tape or duct tape over both the camera and microphone, problem solved. Can't be watched, can't be listened to.

That's exactly what I'll have to do if this turns out to be true.

Supposedly leaked list of games for Xbox One that will be at E3:

Halo 5
Killer Instinct
Banjo-Kazooie: Grunty Land
Forza Motorsport 5
Quantum Break
Halo: Spartan Assault
Ryse
Fable IV
Crackdown 3
Fortnite
Dead Rising 3
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Battlefield 4
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Dying Light
Prey 2
Homefront 2
Beyond Good & Evil 2
Mirror's Edge 2
Rainbow 6: Patriots
Brother in Arms: Furious Four
League of Legends

Source (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-15090-Microsoft-s-E3-Slate-Reportedly-Leaked--Includes-Fable-IV--Halo-5.html)

Can't stand the thought of it always listening to me, but with a lineup like that, I'd have to bite the bullet, buy the thing, and then find a way to make sure it doesn't hear me. :D

Personally, I'll be shocked if those are all there.

I OU a Beatn

06-03-2013, 05:41 PM

Also, according to the same source, Dead Rising 3 will be a Xbox exclusive. On the flip side, Dragon's Dogma 2 will be a PS4 exclusive.

Canes Fan

06-03-2013, 06:44 PM

I wanna see Rainbow 6

bdoughty

06-03-2013, 07:53 PM

I need some next gen Fallout and Elder Scrolls. I would let MS spy on me to get more Fallout.

SmoothPancakes

06-03-2013, 11:42 PM

I'm surprised they'd have a new main Halo so soon after Halo 4, but it would make sense to have one available at launch. If anything, at least Halo: Spartan Assault.

I OU a Beatn

06-04-2013, 12:07 AM

Could always reveal them both, then release a remastered Halo 2 at launch and Halo 5 the following year. It wasn't too long ago Microsoft expressed interest in making Halo an annual release. There's also been rumors swirling around of a Halo 4 release for the One that would be cross compatible with 360 users, but I don't know how accurate that truly is. Seems like a complete waste of time and resources to me, but who knows.

I OU a Beatn

06-04-2013, 10:16 AM

So much for that one rumor:

Available this July for $6.99 ERP only on Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8, “Halo: Spartan Assault” is the first top-down action shooter that brings a “Halo” video game to touch-based devices. Developed by 343 Industries in conjunction with Vanguard Games, “Halo: Spartan Assault” provides an accessible, pick-up-and-play experience for fans and newcomers alike.

Source (http://majornelson.com/2013/06/04/halo-spartan-assault-coming-to-windows-8-and-windows-phone-8/)

Yikes.

SmoothPancakes

06-04-2013, 10:53 AM

Well, that's one Halo game I'll never play. Don't have a Windows phone or Windows 8, and I don't want either of them.

JBHuskers

06-04-2013, 10:58 AM

I wonder if current Live subscriptions carry over from 360 to XB1 :D I just got another year for $20 through that eBay deal.

bdoughty

06-04-2013, 01:44 PM

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/gamerscore-will-port-over-to-xbox-one

The company has also confirmed to Polygon that your Xbox Live Gold account will be shared across the Xbox One and Xbox 360, and multiple household members will be able to share the same subscription but with different accounts.

I OU a Beatn

06-04-2013, 01:52 PM

Good thing, too. I'm good through November 2016. I wouldn't have been too pleased if I had to cough up more money.

SmoothPancakes

06-04-2013, 01:55 PM

I'm good until something like next March. Never had to pay a single cent on Live. Just get a new 12 month card from my sister every year for Christmas. I'm good to go each and every year on Live. Only money I spend is on buying games digitally with straight money or buying MS points for stuff.

JBHuskers

06-04-2013, 02:28 PM

CLW

06-04-2013, 05:42 PM

If any of you MS guys want my $10 coupon or whatever it was let me know. I think its still good.

JBHuskers

06-04-2013, 06:11 PM

If any of you MS guys want my $10 coupon or whatever it was let me know. I think its still good.

I'll take it.

CLW

06-05-2013, 06:29 AM

I'll take it.

PM with quote sent.

JBHuskers

06-05-2013, 08:33 AM

PM with quote sent.

Thanks but didn't work :fdown: chatted with MS, one code per person :D :smh:

CLW

06-05-2013, 10:41 AM

Thanks but didn't work :fdown: chatted with MS, one code per person :D :smh:

Lol so is the code still good for me/someone else or did that effectively de-activate the code?

JBHuskers

06-05-2013, 10:48 AM

Lol so is the code still good for me/someone else or did that effectively de-activate the code?

No clue. That's what they told me and I gave up after that.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 4 Beta

CLW

06-05-2013, 10:52 AM

No clue. That's what they told me and I gave up after that.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 4 Beta

O.K. well if anyone else wants it that hasn't used it and wants to try let me or JB know and one of us will forward the code to you. I won't use it but someone else here might.

JBHuskers

06-05-2013, 12:17 PM

Oh well I fleeced MS enough getting 6800 points for $30 :D

SmoothPancakes

06-05-2013, 12:29 PM

:D Same here. I ended up overall with something close to 10k points when I was all done.

Oh course, a lot of those points quickly disappeared when I bought a couple things I had been meaning to, and then blew the rest on song and pack purchases for Rocksmith. I still have probably another 6,000+ MS points worth of songs and packs that I want to buy.

Never cared for song DLC on games like Rock Band or Guitar Hero, but with Rocksmith, since I can actually play my real bass guitar on the game and actually learn to play the actual songs on a real guitar, buying the songs and song packs are worth it in this case.

JBHuskers

06-05-2013, 12:33 PM

I just spent 1600 :msp: on State of Decay :nod: wish it was 4:30 so I could play it.

GatorfanStovy

06-05-2013, 12:36 PM

game whores you all are

SmoothPancakes

06-05-2013, 01:22 PM

game whores you (JB) all are

Fixed it for you. ;)

GatorfanStovy

06-05-2013, 05:10 PM

I see what you did there . funny man you.

CLW

06-06-2013, 06:28 AM

bdoughty

06-06-2013, 07:43 AM

If anyone really thinks that Big Brother won't collect your XB1 data....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20main-2%20Special%20trail:Network%20front%20-%20special%20trail:Position1

I am assuming you have a computer with an internet connection? Email? Mobile Phone? We get it, you are not getting a Xbox One but what in the heck does this link have to do with the Xbox One specifically? :fp:

SmoothPancakes

06-06-2013, 08:02 AM

I am assuming you have a computer with an internet connection? Email? Mobile Phone? We get it, you are not getting a Xbox One but what in the heck does this link have to do with the Xbox One specifically? :fp:

Plus, disregarding the camera and mic with Kinect, they'd be able to collect data from your PS4 just the same as the XB1. Not sure what the whole point of that post was. If they can/could do it to the XB1, they can/could do it to the PS4, so it's all a wash.

CLW

06-06-2013, 08:56 AM

If you two cannot make the logical jump necessary to link the article to XB1 then I'm not going to bother responding other than to encourage you to read the thread and see people denying the government could/would do it and that there would be an uproar if it did happen. I don't see any protests at Verizon HQ today or a mass of people turning in their Verizon cell phones.

Also, it is true that the Government could collect PMs; video game stats; etc... from the PS4. However, if you feel that's the same as the Government being able to listen to you and see you in your home thanks to Kinect more power to you just don't be surprised when down the road it gets leaked that the Federal Government has been collecting and storing videos of XB1 users and using them in all sorts of ways (Tax Audits; Criminal Investigations; etc...)

gschwendt

06-06-2013, 09:24 AM

I think we can all move on from the 'big brother' mentality... anyone who cares already knows whether to consider it a concern. At this point, it's just wait and see what E3 brings.

CLW

06-06-2013, 01:37 PM

More on XB1 controller....

http://majornelson.com/2013/06/06/more-details-about-xbox-one-controller/

CLW

06-06-2013, 05:29 PM

morsdraconis

06-06-2013, 05:33 PM

MS gives Details to Used Games Always Online...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/06/microsoft-details-xbox-one-used-games-always-online?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

So, now the question remains, what does Sony plan to do and whether or not they follow suit. If they don't, that could mean them winning the next gen war. I mean, not being able to borrow a friend's copy of a game is utter bullshit. Talk about some fucked up shit. :smh:

CLW

06-06-2013, 05:35 PM

So, now the question remains, what does Sony plan to do and whether or not they follow suit. If they don't, that could mean them winning the next gen war. I mean, not being able to borrow a friend's copy of a game is utter bullshit. Talk about some fucked up shit. :smh:

How DARE you bash Xbox you must be some damn Sony fanboy like that CLW guy. Oh wait....

Yeah you cannot rent games either.

It will be interesting to see IOU thinks Sony should do the same thing. Me, I think Sony should cut MS' [censored] head off and do NONE of it and do an online ad campaign making fun of MS for all this and win the console war in convincing fashion.

cdj

06-06-2013, 05:36 PM

So, now the question remains, what does Sony plan to do and whether or not they follow suit. If they don't, that could mean them winning the next gen war. I mean, not being able to borrow a friend's copy of a game is utter bullshit. Talk about some fucked up shit. :smh:

No kidding. If Sony has half a brain in their heads.....

Plus, no internet connection = no XB1. Must connect once every 24 hours to even play offline. :fp:

Sony has been handed a gift on a silver platter. What do they do with it?

CLW

06-06-2013, 05:40 PM

No kidding. If Sony has half a brain in their heads.....

Plus, no internet connection = no XB1. Must connect once every 24 hours to even play offline. :fp:

Sony has been handed a gift on a silver platter. What do they do with it?

Yeah IOU or I'm going to be 100% right on this. Either Sony is in the tank too and being coy about it (IOU wins) or Sony is laying low waiting for this bad announcement by MS and is just going to CRUSH them at E3 saying none of that crap applies on PS4. #DONTDealWithIt.

Going to be an interesting week for sure. I hope I'm right but IGN editors think IOU is right.

I OU a Beatn

06-06-2013, 06:51 PM

They're both going to do it or something similar. Sony's and Microsoft's #1 goal is to please the publisher. If the publishers aren't happy, Microsoft and Sony do not make money. Plain and simple. Most publishers don't want used games to exist for the simple fact that they do not generate any revenue. I've heard the argument, "oh, but I know people who bought used games, like it, and then bought the sequel new." I personally think it's a joke of an argument and that situation represents so little of the gaming population that I don't think publishers care, either.

I think Microsoft has been planning this for quite awhile and Sony has been playing both sides. I personally believe that's exactly why Microsoft has the exclusive deal now with EA when this entire current generation it's always been Sony that EA was making deals with. I think that's exactly why Titanfall is a Xbox exclusive, I think that's why Mirror's Edge 2 is rumored to be a Xbox exclusive, and I think that's why all these EA deals are being made with Microsoft. Microsoft was willing to 100% commit to eliminating current used games practices and Sony was not.

This is EXACTLY what's going to happen if Sony doesn't do it. Publishers are going to get sick of it, say "fuck you," and start making deals with Microsoft. I don't think Microsoft would complain, either, because that would just help them push Xbox One consoles in the end.

Besides, it would be utterly STUPID of Sony not to do it now. Think about it. There's a 99% chance this will be the last console generation that still uses physical media. The digital format is taking over and I don't see much chance of a physical format being the go to distribution method of games 5 or 6 years from now when the new consoles launch. Microsoft is doing it now and getting all the bad publicity. Since they're going digital only eventually, when would be a good time to do so? At the same time as your opponent so you can share some of the backlash, or the next generation when Xbox owners are already used to the idea of no used games and Sony players aren't? If they do it then, they get 100% of the backlash and they end up looking like the bad guys.

Personally, I've always thought Microsoft would block used games and I've always thought Sony would give the publishers the option to do so, but not necessarily implement a system of their own. I still think that's a possibility. If that's the case, do you think EA isn't going to block used games? Activision? Ubisoft? All MAJOR proponents of the online pass this generation. The funny thing is that the biggest player of them all that used online passes was Sony itself. :D

I OU a Beatn

06-06-2013, 06:55 PM

Also, not all bad news in that article:

Microsoft stresses that "you are in control of what Kinect can see and hear. By design, you will determine how responsive and personalized your Xbox One is to you and your family during setup. The system will navigate you through key privacy options, like automatic or manual sign in, privacy settings, and clear notifications about how data is used. When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded."

Good call, Microsoft. Probably smart to keep it that way.

CLW

06-06-2013, 07:48 PM

Also, not all bad news in that article:

Good call, Microsoft. Probably smart to keep it that way.

Just b/c something isn't being recorded or uploaded by MS doesn't mean it isn't by the government. ALL companies say you have control of your data and they all sell it to other parties or give it to the government either voluntarily or through the secret court system. (see Verizon Wireless)

I OU a Beatn

06-06-2013, 07:51 PM

Just b/c something isn't being recorded or uploaded by MS doesn't mean it isn't by the government. ALL companies say you have control of your data and they all sell it to other parties or give it to the government either voluntarily or through the secret court system. (see Verizon Wireless)

Yeah, but that wouldn't any different than any other device that records your data now. You listed the perfect example - cell phones.

CLW

06-06-2013, 07:51 PM

Video explaining all the rules and regulations re: XB1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z2O32YxeNY

CLW

06-06-2013, 07:51 PM

Yeah, but that wouldn't any different than any other device that records your data now. You listed the perfect example - cell phones.

well i note VZW is just your voice where as XB1 is voice and video so the government will know if you own guns; use drugs; etc...

I OU a Beatn

06-06-2013, 07:55 PM

well i note VZW is just your voice where as XB1 is voice and video so the government will know if you own guns; use drugs; etc...

Yeah, but that would only occur if you'd actually put something like that in front of the camera. According to all the information I've read, the camera can be completely turned off. The only thing that couldn't be turned off was it listening to you, and that's because of the voice control, which according to the new article, can also be disabled. It's not nearly as intrusive as it was initially made out to be.

oweb26

06-07-2013, 05:53 AM

Yeah, but that would only occur if you'd actually put something like that in front of the camera. According to all the information I've read, the camera can be completely turned off. The only thing that couldn't be turned off was it listening to you, and that's because of the voice control, which according to the new article, can also be disabled. It's not nearly as intrusive as it was initially made out to be.

Honestly i would have hoped they were that stupid to not give you the option to turn all yhst off.

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SmoothPancakes

06-07-2013, 06:08 AM

Honestly i would have hoped they were that stupid to not give you the option to turn all yhst off.

Sent from my GT-N8013 using Tapatalk HD

And why would you have hoped that? I don't get all this, seemingly, desire for the Xbox One to fail. People bitch nonstop about NCAA and Madden not having any competition, do you really think Sony would go for the full distance on a new console, potentially at a loss to their to their bottom line, if they were the only console on the market? Only a fucking retard would believe that.

oweb26

06-07-2013, 08:28 AM

And why would you have hoped that? I don't get all this, seemingly, desire for the Xbox One to fail. People bitch nonstop about NCAA and Madden not having any competition, do you really think Sony would go for the full distance on a new console, potentially at a loss to their to their bottom line, if they were the only console on the market? Only a fucking retard would believe that.

I said that incorrectly, I would think common sense would dictate that they would allow people to turn the mic and voice controls off. My bad.

Edit: I dont have any desire for anyone of them to fail, both kinda lost me at non-BC.....which I dont have a big problem with but even the digital stuff doesn't go over, in which we all know at one point they are going to release some sort of "xbox greats" collection on the xbox one so we can all rebuy games from the xbox 360.

Also wasn't there some sort of fall out in this thread last night, I could have sworn I read that?

I OU a Beatn

06-07-2013, 08:35 AM

I certainly don't want the Xbox One to fail. However, that damn microphone constantly listening was going to be a huge thing for me. Since you can turn it off and it only listens to certain things, I'm fine with it now. How they said it before, though, it was CONSTANTLY listening to everything you said. How it is now, I'm fine with it. I'm still going to cover it up someway so it can't hear me at all, but I digress.

JBHuskers

06-07-2013, 08:56 AM

morsdraconis

06-07-2013, 09:31 AM

Asking for one to fail over the other just makes no sense. For me, I just like what Sony has put on the table in the present, and seems to be improving in the future with. That's why I'm going PS4 day one, XB1 eventually maybe.

If I was going to get either (maybe one down the road), the speed of the dashboard would be a HUGE deal for me. Sony's was trash with the PS3 and Microsoft's was only marginally better with the 360. We'll see what happens with either of them this generation, but the PS4's streaming ability is ginormous for me. The possibilities are endless with that stuff so that's a HUGE plus for me, granted everything else works as it should.

SmoothPancakes

06-07-2013, 03:05 PM

I said that incorrectly, I would think common sense would dictate that they would allow people to turn the mic and voice controls off. My bad.

Edit: I dont have any desire for anyone of them to fail, both kinda lost me at non-BC.....which I dont have a big problem with but even the digital stuff doesn't go over, in which we all know at one point they are going to release some sort of "xbox greats" collection on the xbox one so we can all rebuy games from the xbox 360.

Also wasn't there some sort of fall out in this thread last night, I could have sworn I read that?

Alright, that makes better sense. The original way you posted it, it just sounded and read like you wanted MS to intentionally make the bad choices and screw themselves, which isn't to say others elsewhere online aren't wishing that. Which, again, I don't know why one would want that. Like I said, do you honestly believe that Sony would make major upgrades from one gen to the next, at potential lose (at least early on) to their bottom line if they didn't have a direct competitor? Hell no. They'd do just enough to make it appealing but while keeping it purely profitable. It'd be pretty much the same as those complaining about no competition for NCAA/Madden, just in the consoles.

I certainly don't want the Xbox One to fail. However, that damn microphone constantly listening was going to be a huge thing for me. Since you can turn it off and it only listens to certain things, I'm fine with it now. How they said it before, though, it was CONSTANTLY listening to everything you said. How it is now, I'm fine with it. I'm still going to cover it up someway so it can't hear me at all, but I digress.

Understandable. That was an issue too, but as Xbox One would probably be the console I'd get first out of the two (assuming that I eventually get both), I pretty much planned from early on to just straight up block off the camera and microphone. Now that it's been stated that you can turn it off, I'm perfectly fine with the Xbox One and will look at getting it sometime in 2014 or 2015. Turn it all off and block the camera/mic with stuff, probably solved. :up:

Rudy

06-07-2013, 03:13 PM

Asking for one to fail over the other just makes no sense. For me, I just like what Sony has put on the table in the present, and seems to be improving in the future with. That's why I'm going PS4 day one, XB1 eventually maybe.

People love to root for one thing over another. I see TONS of hate levelled at Nintendo over the Wii U from guys that never even considered buying the system.

CLW

06-07-2013, 04:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u-IUlC5YqU

CLW

06-08-2013, 07:04 AM

http://youtu.be/AcfQ_hF-R9I

Didn't even think about this until now but you XB1 guys should make sure you have your "family" full. If you have a full family of 10 and you each bough separate games you could all play each other's games so long as only one of you was playing the game at a time. So instead of buying an old used game just play your "family" games for free.

CLW

06-08-2013, 10:49 AM

Microsoft's Xbox One: Owning Your Video Games Is So 1994:

http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-248692/

SCClassof93

06-08-2013, 12:37 PM

http://youtu.be/KbWgUO-Rqcw

http://tomgrimshaw.com/tomsblog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/TVProgramming.jpg

punter

06-08-2013, 05:23 PM

This may have been asked already if so sorry, I didn't read all 18 pages. But will or headsets work with Xbox one? Such as Turtle Beach.
I also only said Turtle Beach because that's what I own.

CLW

06-08-2013, 05:30 PM

This may have been asked already if so sorry, I didn't read all 18 pages. But will or headsets work with Xbox one? Such as Turtle Beach.
I also only said Turtle Beach because that's what I own.

Negative. The new controller has a new plugin. So you will either have to buy a new headset or some sort of add on to your current Turtle Beaches.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/23/turtle-beach-xbox-one-headsets/

I OU a Beatn

06-08-2013, 05:33 PM

This may have been asked already if so sorry, I didn't read all 18 pages. But will or headsets work with Xbox one? Such as Turtle Beach.
I also only said Turtle Beach because that's what I own.

Audio from the game will, yes. The microphone, however, will not. If you have a Turtle Beach, I'd imagine they'll release an adapter so that you can use it. I know Astro better do so.

CLW

06-08-2013, 05:36 PM

Audio from the game will, yes. The microphone, however, will not. If you have a Turtle Beach, I'd imagine they'll release an adapter so that you can use it. I know Astro better do so.

That's a good point I forgot about the audio v. mic distinction. I believe you are right that its just a mic issue I would hope/expect most manufacturers to sell adapters but who knows how long it will take for them to come out.

I OU a Beatn

06-08-2013, 05:50 PM

That's a good point I forgot about the audio v. mic distinction. I believe you are right that its just a mic issue I would hope/expect most manufacturers to sell adapters but who knows how long it will take for them to come out.

Yeah, it's definitely just the microphone since it has optical. That's all I really care about since that's all I mostly use mine for. But, I'm sure companies like Turtle Beach and Astro will sell adapters eventually.

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CLW

06-08-2013, 05:54 PM

Yeah, it's definitely just the microphone since it has optical. That's all I really care about since that's all I mostly use mine for. But, I'm sure companies like Turtle Beach and Astro will sell adapters eventually.

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 Beta

Do we know if we are going to need adapters for our Astros for the PS4? I know they have a jac in the controller but I assumed it was the same as 360s so I'd just need to take the 360 plugin and pop it in the PS4 controller.

I OU a Beatn

06-08-2013, 06:03 PM

Do we know if we are going to need adapters for our Astros for the PS4? I know they have a jac in the controller but I assumed it was the same as 360s so I'd just need to take the 360 plugin and pop it in the PS4 controller.

I doubt it'll be the same as the 360 plugin, but if it has optical, you'll at least still be able to use the audio, and it's practically guaranteed to have that, so at worst, you'd just have to buy an adapter to use the microphone.

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CLW

06-08-2013, 06:05 PM

I doubt it'll be the same as the 360 plugin, but if it has optical, you'll at least still be able to use the audio, and it's practically guaranteed to have that, so at worst, you'd just have to buy an adapter to use the microphone.

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 Beta

Meh I rarely use my mic. I think the only thing I've ever used my mic for is Off-season in ODs and chatting with SC in Tiger. I mainly use it for sound during the game when the wife has the t.v. on in the next room.

punter

06-08-2013, 06:10 PM

It will be nice if it is just a adapter needed and not have to buy a whole new headset.

SCClassof93

06-08-2013, 06:10 PM

Meh I rarely use my mic. I think the only thing I've ever used my mic for is Off-season in ODs and chatting with SC in Tiger. I mainly use it for sound during the game when the wife has the t.v. on in the next room.

:D
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llbpm0tiwP1qjyc1oo1_500.gif

cdj

06-10-2013, 02:44 PM

GameStop listing November 21 for release date.

Xbox One now available to pre-order on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CMQTVK0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00CMQTVK0&linkCode=as2&tag=thegamtai-20).

SmoothPancakes

06-10-2013, 03:38 PM

Like I said in the E3 thread, went ahead and place a pre-order on Amazon for now. I'll make up my mind over the next couple months whether I actually decide to get it on day one, or wait until late 2014 or 2015. I've never bought a console day one, but may as well at least make a pre-order for the time being while it's still possible to actually do so.

CLW

06-10-2013, 04:50 PM

MS E3 Press Conference Analysis:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/06/10/microsoft-e3-press-conference-analysis.aspx

JBHuskers

06-10-2013, 06:36 PM

http://appygamer.mobilesrepublic.com/Web/ArticleWeb.aspx?regionid=1&articleid=9948878

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baseballplyrmvp

06-10-2013, 09:04 PM

just placed my preorder.

GatorfanStovy

06-10-2013, 11:17 PM

I would be pre ordering if I had a job as well. But job less i can't sadly until I get into the military . Damn asvab ha.

I OU a Beatn

06-11-2013, 11:54 AM

Xbox One sold out at Amazon and GS (except the overpriced game bundles). All the GS stores in my area are also sold out, too. I can't believe they went so quick. Good thing I ordered one yesterday. This has the potential to be a flipper's dream. :D

JBHuskers

06-11-2013, 11:56 AM

I remember when the original XBOX came out. A buddy paid us $40 or so to camp out with him :D that was in college so I didn't care, $40 was beer money.

I OU a Beatn

06-11-2013, 11:58 AM

:D That's hilarious. I remember when I was in line for a PS3 some guy was walking by giving $50 to anyone who would let him in line ahead of them. Yes, I took the $50. I was 17 and I wanted the money. I got my console anyway. I'd hate to think how much he spent on people letting him ahead of them.

SmoothPancakes

06-11-2013, 12:03 PM

Thank god I got my pre-order in yesterday afternoon. I'm not surprised though. I was expecting both Xbox One and PS4 to end up being sold out either last night or today. Part of the reason I pre-ordered both last night, so now I can take the next 3-4 months and decide which one (if either) I want to get on launch. It'll probably come down to games that will be coming out from them around launch and in the few months after, because otherwise I could easily just keep getting games for my 360 without hassle.

Though Xbox One would have the advantage right now partly because of Halo and partly because I already have Live Gold through next March, which will get extended with a new year of Gold to March 2015 come Christmas when I get a new 12 month Gold card from my sister. Whereas with PS4, I'd have to shell out the $40 or $50 for PS+.

I OU a Beatn

06-11-2013, 12:05 PM

I OU a Beatn

06-11-2013, 12:06 PM

Packaging for Xbox One:

http://xboxonedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/xbox-one-day-one-edition-packaging.jpg

SmoothPancakes

06-11-2013, 12:06 PM

Watch the Titanfall gameplay (not the trailer but the actual game play, trailer was garbage) and I think you'll have your mind made up. ;)

:D I actually do need to watch it. EA was the only presser I really got the chance to sit down and watch, the rest was just reading what you guys were posting for everything. I do like what I did read on it, so I'll have to go hunt down the video.

I OU a Beatn

06-11-2013, 12:08 PM

:D I actually do need to watch it. EA was the only presser I really got the chance to sit down and watch, the rest was just reading what you guys were posting for everything. I do like what I did read on it, so I'll have to go hunt down the video.

My jaw dropped. That and The Division stole the show for me. The Division is on both systems but Titanfall is One/360/PC only.

morsdraconis

06-11-2013, 12:12 PM

My jaw dropped. That and The Division stole the show for me. The Division is on both systems but Titanfall is One/360/PC only.

You mean the "mech" game that's actually just a FPS in disguise. Nah, I'll pass. :smh:

CLW

06-11-2013, 12:15 PM

My jaw dropped. That and The Division stole the show for me. The Division is on both systems but Titanfall is One/360/PC only.

Sort of an interesting thought/question. Will there be ANY One/360 exclusives that are not also on PC? I would think there would have to be otherwise why not just buy a PS4 for Sony's PS4 exclusives and play all the MS exclusives on your PC?

I OU a Beatn

06-11-2013, 12:20 PM

You mean the "mech" game that's actually just a FPS in disguise. Nah, I'll pass. :smh:

You hate all shooters so you're excluded! :D

Sort of an interesting thought/question. Will there be ANY One/360 exclusives that are not also on PC? I would think there would have to be otherwise why not just buy a PS4 for Sony's PS4 exclusives and play all the MS exclusives on your PC?

That's how it's always been. I'm sure there's several that wont but there's always a good many that make it to PC. I doubt Ryse ever will. Halo wont. I'm sure we'll find out later on. I'd rather play on console anyway. I like my controller and if I'm using a controller on PC, I'm getting slaughtered by everyone using a mouse. No thanks.

SmoothPancakes

06-11-2013, 12:23 PM

My jaw dropped. That and The Division stole the show for me. The Division is on both systems but Titanfall is One/360/PC only.

Just watched the Titanfall gameplay. Nice! That definitely looks like it'll be fun.

Also just watched the trailer (while only a trailer, still fuck yeah!) of Halo (Halo 5), whatever the official title will be. Goddamn 2014 can't come soon enough with that game. :D

I OU a Beatn

06-11-2013, 12:25 PM

Just watched the Titanfall gameplay. Nice! That definitely looks like it'll be fun.

Also just watched the trailer (while only a trailer, still fuck yeah!) of Halo (Halo 5), whatever the official title will be. Goddamn 2014 can't come soon enough with that game. :D

*Smooth cancels PS4 preorder* :D

Titanfall blew me away. I'd be getting an Xbox One day one for that regardless of what policies they had.

SmoothPancakes

06-11-2013, 12:30 PM

*Smooth cancels PS4 preorder* :D

Titanfall blew me away. I'd be getting an Xbox One day one for that regardless of what policies they had.

:D I'm keeping it for now. Any pre-order that I may cancel won't happen until at least September. Give a couple of months for all the details of everything to be ironed out by both companies and see what changes in regards to games around release and in the first couple months after. But Xbox One is definitely in the lead right now just because of some of their exclusives. Outside of The Show, there haven't really be any PS exclusives that I just had to go buy a PS3 for.

JBHuskers

06-11-2013, 12:36 PM

I'll probably get it cheap for 360 to mess around with, and then get it again whenever I get around to getting an XB1.

CLW

06-11-2013, 08:13 PM

Xbox boss Don Mattrick believes concerns over connectivity are overblown, recommends Xbox 360 for those without an Internet connection.

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/microsoft-xbox-one-will-be-leading-product-people-love-and-embrace-6409895/

punter

06-11-2013, 11:58 PM

bdoughty

06-12-2013, 12:12 AM

Here's a question, now that you won't be able to buy used games on xbox one, and they must be downloaded.
I wonder if that will make it so under aged kids won't be able to play age restricted games?:nod:
I don't think xbox would in force that, but pretty sure they could a lot easier on the xbox one, compared to the 360.:dunno:

How hard is it to go into the Family settings and make a few changes on the 360? You can set pretty much anything, what rating of games and movies an account is allowed, XBL or no XLB, a timer to limit playtime and more. Downloadable games and movies are all rated so it follows the same rules that are in the Family Settings.

cdj

06-12-2013, 12:18 AM

IGN: E3 2013 - Nyko Debuts Accessories for Xbox One and PS4 (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/nyko-debuts-accessories-for-xbox-one-and-ps4?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social)

SmoothPancakes

06-12-2013, 07:34 AM

How hard is it to go into the Family settings and make a few changes on the 360? You can set pretty much anything, what rating of games and movies an account is allowed, XBL or no XLB, a timer to limit playtime and more. Downloadable games and movies are all rated so it follows the same rules that are in the Family Settings.

Maybe on your 360/account, sure. But tell that to all the idiots out there who buy little 10 year old Johnny a 360 who then proceeds to play M-rated games (bought by mommy and daddy to shut him up because they don't want to do their jobs as parents) and sits there shouting stuff all game that would make their parents smack them if they heard what little Johnny was saying.

JBHuskers

06-12-2013, 05:09 PM

Xbox One Requires Terms Of Use Class Action Waiver (http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1961910/xbox_one_requires_terms_of_use_class_action_waiver .html)

CLW

06-12-2013, 05:37 PM

Xbox One Requires Terms Of Use Class Action Waiver (http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1961910/xbox_one_requires_terms_of_use_class_action_waiver .html)

Those bastards just ruined my retirement plan. :smh:

Honestly I'm not surprised nor opposed to it. Class actions are a joke/scam that plaintiffs lawyers use to get HUGE paydays for really crappy claims.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony has a similar waiver somewhere in its terms/conditions as well.

I OU a Beatn

06-12-2013, 07:10 PM

Those bastards just ruined my retirement plan. :smh:

Honestly I'm not surprised nor opposed to it. Class actions are a joke/scam that plaintiffs lawyers use to get HUGE paydays for really crappy claims.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony has a similar waiver somewhere in its terms/conditions as well.

I bet EA wishes they had done that with their football games. :D

CLW

06-12-2013, 07:17 PM

I bet EA wishes they had done that with their football games. :D

Well you'd have to have given away and/or sold a title of every game to every 1A athlete ever. Remember its the athletes not the consumers suing EA in Keller et al.

I OU a Beatn

06-12-2013, 07:24 PM

Well you'd have to have given away and/or sold a title of every game to every 1A athlete ever. Remember its the athletes not the consumers suing EA in Keller et al.

Is that the same one that resulted in consumers who purchased Madden/NCAA being entitled to a few dollars per game? I thought that was a consumer one.

bdoughty

06-12-2013, 07:31 PM

Maybe on your 360/account, sure. But tell that to all the idiots out there who buy little 10 year old Johnny a 360 who then proceeds to play M-rated games (bought by mommy and daddy to shut him up because they don't want to do their jobs as parents) and sits there shouting stuff all game that would make their parents smack them if they heard what little Johnny was saying.

I agree but there is little that MS or any game console maker can so about this if the parents never use it. All I was saying is the tools are there and I can't see how they could make it that much easier.

CLW

06-12-2013, 07:37 PM

Is that the same one that resulted in consumers who purchased Madden/NCAA being entitled to a few dollars per game? I thought that was a consumer one.

lol i forgot about that one. yeah that would have worked for it.

baseballplyrmvp

06-12-2013, 09:37 PM

probably been mentioned somewhere, but what happens if you dont log in every 24 hours?

I OU a Beatn

06-12-2013, 09:43 PM

probably been mentioned somewhere, but what happens if you dont log in every 24 hours?

You don't play games. :D

Achievements have been overhauled (and I can't find a single thing to complain about - kudos, Microsoft):

Today we talked about some of the changes to the new achievements system coming with Xbox One. We just got done hearing from Chad Gibson, Principle Group Program manager for Xbox Live Gaming features and Mike Lavin, Sr. Global Product Marketing manager for Xbox Live on our live broadcast. This morning, we asked Cierra McDonald to explain some of the achievement changes in greater detail for us. Here is what she wrote for you guys

Ahoy! My name is Cierra McDonald. I’m from Chicago, I’m an Illini (I-L-L!!!), and most pertinently, I’m the Program Manager for the Xbox Live Achievements service. My love of gaming started as a wee child, playing Super Mario Bros. at home and joining friends on Altered Beast and Contra at the local arcade. My family’s team sport is Boggle. And apropos of nothing, I once shattered my elbow – or as my surgeon once put it, it’s like Humpty Dumpty fell onto a diamond surface. Fun facts!

Achievements are like a delicious gravy (or a fudge sauce, for the more dessert-minded) on top of a developer’s tasty meal of a game. Playing the game is fun by itself; and achievements add an extra layer of discovery, exploration, and accomplishment that reinforces the natural enjoyment of the gameplay. For Xbox One, my team (an incredible group of smart, hardworking folks) and I have rebuilt the Achievements system to be more powerful and more flexible so that developers and publishers can deliver more interesting, complex, and fulfilling goals and rewards to you. What exactly does that mean?

Let’s start with what you get.

Xbox blazed the trail back in 2005 by introducing Xbox Live Achievements as a metagame whose cumulative score – Gamerscore – spans across games on every Xbox Live platform. Many of today’s gaming systems followed our model and now offer achievements or badges as well. With Xbox One, we are once again breaking the mold and this time, we want consumers to reap more tangible benefits. In addition to Gamerscore, which will remain as a critical part of the Xbox gaming experience (and yes, your Gamerscore from Xbox 360 will carry forward to Xbox One – there’s only ONE Gamerscore (see what I did there?)), consumers can now unlock digital artwork, new maps, unlockable characters, and temporary stat boosts via achievements. And this is not limited to games! Other Xbox One applications such as video and music apps can now use Achievements to bring you awesome sneak peek content, early access, or subscription extensions. Only games will give you Gamerscore.

Cool, you can earn cool stuff with Xbox LIVE Achievements. Let’s talk about how they work.

There are now two types of Achievements: achievements and challenges. An achievement is probably already familiar. There’s a goal or activity you must accomplish and a reward that you receive upon completion. You can unlock an achievement at any time, be it on a game’s launch day or 3 years later. I guess you can say an achievement is like a promise in that sense. A challenge, on the other hand, is more like an opportunity – better grab it while you can! It is also comprised of a goal and a reward; however, challenges are time-bound (as in, real life time). That means you can only unlock during its eligible time window, and if you get close but don’t complete the goal when it ends… *Kanye shrug*

Achievements and challenges are both officially considered Xbox Live Achievements, so they inherit many of the same benefits:

You can unlock them and win their rewards;
Once unlocked, they are saved to your achievement history;
They each have an icon to visualize the cool thing you did;
They often are associated with a Game DVR capture to show your friends that you are better than they are
Developers can release more of them after the game’s initial release (more on that in a bit).
There are also some notable differences between them:

Challenges are time based. As just noted, challenges are only available for a certain period of time. Only your activity during that timeframe will count toward unlocking the challenge. Achievements do not expire, so you can unlock them at your leisure.

Challenges do not give out Gamerscore. We want everyone to have the same shot at increasing their Gamerscore to its highest potential. Since challenges are intentionally temporary (an opportunity) and achievements never expire (a promise), only achievements may offer Gamerscore as a reward.

Challenges may cross titles, but achievements cannot. Achievements cannot be shared across titles whereas challenges are allowed to span multiple titles.

Challenges can be unlocked by the community. Community challenges are typically goals that exceed what a lone player can accomplish in the given period of time. Imagine, for example, a game releases a headshot weekend challenge that requires players to cumulatively headshot 1 million baddies in a 3 day period. And every person who participates and meets the challenge’s goals gets the unlock on his or her achievement history and reaps its reward.

Another really cool thing with the new Achievements system is that it’s cloud-powered. A magical term, I know, but it delivers real value to users. Check it out:

Having cloud-powered achievements makes it easy and consistent to run challenges across all players of a game simultaneously.

It makes it possible for developers to add new achievements and challenges after their game is initially released. Why is that good for you?

1) It means you can get new achievements without always being required to buy new content (read: free!) or download title updates.

2) It allows developers to learn from and respond to user activity and focus on adding stuff that you’ll find fun. For example, let’s say a certain game is known on community forums to have a fun little sub-game of kicking chickens. Wouldn’t it be amazing if the game developers noticed the community enjoying an unintended aspect of the game and creating a challenge around it, with a reward to boot?

3) It empowers developers to involve the community (that means YOU) in the achievement creation process. If they so choose, a developer could run a contest for users to submit and vote on challenge ideas, for example, with the winning idea being released to the public as a legitimate Xbox Live Achievement. Not too shabby!

Let’s bring it all home and talk about what you actually see.

The Xbox One dashboard experience greatly improves how you discover and view Xbox Live Achievements.
Ever wondered how far along you were toward completing an achievement, particularly those that involve a lot of collection or linear progress? With Xbox One, games may now expose your latest progression toward unlocking an achievement right on the dashboard, even before you launch the game.
Quickly catch up on what your friends have been up with the achievement activity feed that keeps you informed about your friends’ latest unlocked achievements.
Check out video clips of that magical moment when an achievement was unlocked.
Easily discover upcoming challenges for a game at any time.
Your achievement history has been transformed into a more beautiful gallery of achievement icons that properly show off your hard-earned victories.
You guys all rock, thanks from all of us here on our dev team. Can’t wait to see you on Live!

I OU a Beatn

06-13-2013, 12:57 AM

Why didn't they elaborate on the family thing during the event? Turns out, it can be anyone that shares all your games:

It's a "family" affair

Since its announcement, there has been some confusion over the details of sharing your Xbox One game library with up to ten "family members." Mehdi couldn't give comprehensive details but he did clarify some things.

For one, a family member doesn't have to be a "blood relative," he said, eliminating the extremely unlikely possibility that the Xbox One would include a built-in blood testing kit. For another, they don't have to live in the primary owner's house—I could name a friend that lives 3,000 miles away as one of my "family members" Mehdi said.

You'll be able to link other Xbox Live accounts as having shared access to your library when you first set up a system, and will also be able to add them later on (though specific details of how you manage these relationships is still not being discussed). The only limitation, it seems, is that only one person can be playing the shared copy of a single game at any given time. All in all, this does sound like a pretty convenient feature that's more workable than simply passing discs around amongst friends who are actually in your area.

Source (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-ones-licensing-used-game-policies/)

The absolutely only potentially bad thing is that only one account can play it at once. However, for single player games, this is going to be AMAZING. Why the hell Microsoft isn't PR-ing the shit out of this is beyond me.

steelerfan

06-13-2013, 01:00 AM

Just make JB a family member (eek!) and you're set for life and will never need to purchase a game again. :nod:

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

I OU a Beatn

06-13-2013, 01:07 AM

Actually, I'm wrong.

Say I buy a game and I have the full 10 "family members" that I share my account with. I can play it no matter what AND 1 of those 10 family members can also play it at the same time. However, 2 of the family members that don't actually own the game can NOT play it at the same time:

Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

Source (http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license)

I mean, this is HUGE. I'm seriously baffled as to why Microsoft isn't just running wild with this.

Just make JB a family member (eek!) and you're set for life and will never need to purchase a game again. :nod:

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:D No kidding, I'd never have to buy another game again!

SmoothPancakes

06-13-2013, 01:14 AM

Just make JB a family member (eek!) and you're set for life and will never need to purchase a game again. :nod:

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

Actually, I'm wrong.

Say I buy a game and I have the full 10 "family members" that I share my account with. I can play it no matter what AND 1 of those 10 family members can also play it at the same time. However, 2 of the family members that don't actually own the game can NOT play it at the same time:

Source (http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license)

I mean, this is HUGE. I'm seriously baffled as to why Microsoft isn't just running wild with this.

:D No kidding, I'd never have to buy another game again!

Agreed. :D

JB, I don't give a damn what you feel about the Xbox One, you're buying it and adding us as your family! :D

CLW

06-13-2013, 06:21 AM

LOL I suggested this very thing awhile back with the "Family" just make a family and agree what games to buy and boom your game purchases are 1/10th what they would have been.

JBHuskers

06-13-2013, 09:13 AM

Just make JB a family member (eek!) and you're set for life and will never need to purchase a game again. :nod:

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

;)

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JBHuskers

06-13-2013, 09:14 AM

:D No kidding, I'd never have to buy another game again!

Shit Beatn. Like you're any better :P :D

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SCClassof93

06-13-2013, 09:17 AM

:D:D:D

JBHuskers

06-13-2013, 09:18 AM

Agreed. :D

JB, I don't give a damn what you feel about the Xbox One, you're buying it and adding us as your family! :D

How about you buy me an XBOX One, and I'll let you be a member of my royal family :nod:

I OU a Beatn

06-13-2013, 12:19 PM

Shit Beatn. Like you're any better :P :D

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At least I PLAY mine! :D

JBHuskers

06-13-2013, 12:22 PM

At least I PLAY mine! :D

I'm getting there....slowly.

CLW

06-13-2013, 04:12 PM

XB1 3rd party soundbar / headphones

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-polk-audios-new-xbox-one-sound-bar-and-headphones (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-polk-audios-new-xbox-one-sound-bar-and-headphones)

I OU a Beatn

06-14-2013, 11:56 PM

GatorfanStovy

06-15-2013, 02:06 AM

damn ms you just fucked your self there damn :fp:

SCClassof93

06-15-2013, 08:37 AM

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That's potentially the deal breaker for me. I would never do anything to get banned, but I've been accidentally banned before and had to go through a whole mess to get it corrected. I don't agree with that policy at all.

What happened with your issues of the camera and mic being always on? Being serious for a change, I want to know. I had four original Xboxes, one for each tv all linked for Halo parties with my friends. Had to go through three 360's (red rings)before I gave up on the thing. Had my mind made up as a consumer before anything was ever announced. With all the unfriendly restrictions and settings on this machine there is no exclusive game that could earn my $$$. Believe me, I really want Dead Rising 3:(

I OU a Beatn

06-15-2013, 08:48 AM

What happened with your issues of the camera and mic being always on? Being serious for a change, I want to know. I had four original Xboxes, one for each tv all linked for Halo parties with my friends. Had to go through three 360's (red rings)before I gave up on the thing. Had my mind made up as a consumer before anything was ever announced. With all the unfriendly restrictions and settings on this machine there is no exclusive game that could earn my $$$. Believe me, I really want Dead Rising 3:(

You can turn off the camera and when it's off it's only listening for the "Xbox on" command, which I don't have a problem with. I don't care about the 24 hour check either because I'm always connected anyway.

However, potentially having all my games removed if I were to get banned is something I do have a problem with.

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CLW

06-15-2013, 11:51 AM

You can turn off the camera and when it's off it's only listening for the "Xbox on" command, which I don't have a problem with.

And if you believe that company line I have some ocean front property to sell you in Kansas. :nod:

There is NO way it can only listen for one thing without recognizing everything else it may only respond if you say "Crapbox on" but it's there and it's listening and the NSA will have that info and MS will sell that info to its "partners" for advertising purposes.

If you don't have a problem with it fine that's one thing its another to deny the reality that Kinect 2.0 requires you to give up some "privacy rights". I GUARANTEE you it will eventually leak that MS has either (1) sold info it has learned to other companies and/or (2) the government uses it to collect information on you (for the good of the country of course).

I OU a Beatn

06-15-2013, 12:07 PM

And if you believe that company line I have some ocean front property to sell you in Kansas. :nod:

There is NO way it can only listen for one thing without recognizing everything else it may only respond if you say "Crapbox on" but it's there and it's listening and the NSA will have that info and MS will sell that info to its "partners" for advertising purposes.

If you don't have a problem with it fine that's one thing its another to deny the reality that Kinect 2.0 requires you to give up some "privacy rights". I GUARANTEE you it will eventually leak that MS has either (1) sold info it has learned to other companies and/or (2) the government uses it to collect information on you (for the good of the country of course).

You can turn off the voice commands completely so that it's not listening for anything. You then couldn't turn on the system with voice commands, obviously, but at least it can all be disabled. I mean, even if it did constantly listen to me and couldn't be disabled, it's not like I have anything to hide. :D

I OU a Beatn

06-15-2013, 12:25 PM

E3 Demos were being run on high end PCs, not Xbox One (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-Were-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html)

Uh oh.

SCClassof93

06-15-2013, 12:29 PM

E3 Demos were being run on high end PCs, not Xbox One (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-Were-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html)

Uh oh.

I would not buy a used car from MS :smh:

morsdraconis

06-15-2013, 01:04 PM

baseballplyrmvp

06-15-2013, 02:43 PM

You can turn off the camera and when it's off it's only listening for the "Xbox on" command, which I don't have a problem with. I don't care about the 24 hour check either because I'm always connected anyway.

However, potentially having all my games removed if I were to get banned is something I do have a problem with.

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 Betaif you always have an ethernet cable plugged into it, does that satisfy the 24 hour check? or do you have to boot the console up once a day?

morsdraconis

06-15-2013, 03:30 PM

if you always have an ethernet cable plugged into it, does that satisfy the 24 hour check? or do you have to boot the console up once a day?

That's actually a REALLY good question that's never been answered (as far as I know). Interesting.

I OU a Beatn

06-15-2013, 03:32 PM

It depends on whether or not it's able to do the license checks while the system is in it's low power state. If it does, then I'm sure that's all you would need to do. However, if it doesn't, then you would need to actually have it powered on and connected for it to do it's check. To my knowledge, Microsoft has not confirmed whether or not the system will check for licenses while in it's low powered state.

I'd imagine if you have your system completely powered off that it wouldn't do the check and it would just do it the next time you log on. If you log on after not playing for a day and you aren't connected, I'd imagine you wouldn't be able to play until you did.

bdoughty

06-15-2013, 08:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lMhjM9BK7M

Major Nelson interview of questions asked by Reddit.

If someone is banned, whether their fault or not, will they lose access to the games they purchase?
"Absolutely not, you will always have access to the games you purchased."

What happens if I get banned for griefing?
"Then we're going to kick people out of the multiplayer."

So no different than the 360 if he is correct. Will have to wait and see. Though it does present an interesting scenario for an MMO.

At least they answered questions. Sony declined after seeing some of the hardware questions.

morsdraconis

06-15-2013, 08:36 PM

bdoughty

06-15-2013, 09:01 PM

Oh there is no doubt that hole they are digging is getting pretty damn close to China. Which is ironic as China is just one of hundreds of countries that will not be able to play Xbox One at launch (http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2013/06/14/if-youre-not-this-list-of-21-countries-you-might-not-get-to-use-the-xbox-one/).

I have pretty much decided on a PS4 when the time comes and keeping my 360 so I can still play all my XBLA games.

JBHuskers

06-16-2013, 01:57 PM

I OU a Beatn

06-16-2013, 02:00 PM

Might have to get a bigger TV cart to fit three systems on it though.

*First world problems.* :D

JBHuskers

06-16-2013, 02:17 PM

*First world problems.* :D

Exactly!

steelerfan

06-16-2013, 04:45 PM

*First world problems.* :D

Exactly!

:D :D :D

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GatorfanStovy

06-16-2013, 07:11 PM

JB are you gonna have enough HDMI ports ? HA that would be an even bigger problem. I know my tv only has two :(

JBHuskers

06-16-2013, 07:34 PM

JB are you gonna have enough HDMI ports ? HA that would be an even bigger problem. I know my tv only has two :(

Mine has four....but the 360 is on component.

AustinWolv

06-16-2013, 07:39 PM

Funny that Xbox Support says one thing
LOL. Support only knows what the script says which can often be wrong. Hehe.

JBHuskers

06-17-2013, 03:17 PM

Microsoft's Don Mattrick defends Xbox pricing: 'We're delivering thousands of dollars of value' (http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/17/4438390/microsofts-don-mattrick-defends-xbox-pricing-were-delivering)

Sony's $399 price point for the PlayStation 4 was one of several advantages it touted over Microsoft at E3. But Microsoft's Don Mattrick argues the Xbox One's $499 cost is, if anything, on the low side. "It's a lower number than some of the analysts had forecast," Mattrick told Bloomberg TV. "We're over-delivering value against other choices I think consumers can get. Any modern product these days, you look at it: $499 isn't a ridiculous price point. We're delivering thousands of dollars of value to people, and I think they're going to love it when they use it."

Discussing the Xbox One's virtues, Mattrick leaned heavily on the services it could provide, including access to the Xbox Live network and "living room" options like better TV integration or Skype communication. Sony's most radical addition to the PlayStation 4 is likely its Gaikai-based streaming technology, but that wasn't on display at E3, and Sony has positioned the PS4 as a simpler box for gamers who want better specs but the same basic feature set.

Some years back, Microsoft and Sony's positions were reversed: the Xbox 360 sold for $399, while the PlayStation 3 started at $499. Then-president Ken Kutaragi said Sony wanted "people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else," suggesting that they would want to "work more hours to buy one." Microsoft hasn't approached that level of hubris, but since neither console even has a hard release date, it also hasn't yet tested the claim that people will prefer its "devices and services" model.

SCClassof93

06-17-2013, 03:39 PM

The consumer does not seem to agree with Mr. Mattrick :D

JBHuskers

06-17-2013, 04:23 PM

The consumer does not seem to agree with Mr. Mattrick :D

Neither does common sense.

I OU a Beatn

06-17-2013, 04:29 PM

Every time that guy opens his mouth, something even dumber than what he previously said comes out. He's like a walking PR nightmare.

CLW

06-17-2013, 04:35 PM

Every time that guy opens his mouth, something even dumber than what he previously said comes out. He's like a walking PR nightmare.

Meh I don't think he's worse than #JustDealWithIt guy

MS is just "suffering" from arrogance and I think by now they know their console is trouble so you are seeing a bit of defiance in hopes to save the console as much as possible.

JBHuskers

06-17-2013, 04:43 PM

I don't get the buy it and you'll see approach.

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morsdraconis

06-17-2013, 04:55 PM

It's their own fuckin' fault for making a shitty console that REQUIRES a shitty peripheral that drove the price up to work. Hope they die just like Nintendo is dying.

Until console companies finally figure out that the same market that buys the majority of their entertainment on their fuckin' phone or a tablet is NO WHERE CLOSE to the same market that is buying their consoles, they are going to continue to be fucked by forcing dumbass peripherals on their consumers. The Wii was a blip on the console gaming map and not indicative of things to come. The Wii was successful because of how cheap it was and the fact that it came with some shit that grandma could play and think was a video game (Wii Golf was pretty fuckin' fun though ;)). Nintendo software sales should be a crystal clear indication of why the Wii was successful. Everyone paid $150 for a Virtual Tennis, Bowling, and Golf game that anyone can pick up and play. They didn't pay $150 for anything else, as the Wii's software sales CLEARLY indicated.

So, fuck Microsoft and their hubris. Hope they get what they deserve for thinking they can peddle some Kinect bullshit onto people.

I OU a Beatn

06-17-2013, 05:12 PM

Hope they die just like Nintendo is dying.

I don't. No competition is a very bad, bad thing.

SmoothPancakes

06-17-2013, 05:20 PM

SCClassof93

06-17-2013, 05:26 PM

I do not hope MS fails, I do hope they are forced to change the business model they have put before the consumer. The market pushing back is the only way any business changes/rethinks its models. In addition, if video gaming is a viable market and attractive to business I assure you that if MS "fails" and pulls out some one will correct their error(s) and get in the game. Whether that is Apple, Samsung or L.G. no one knows.

I OU a Beatn

06-17-2013, 05:27 PM

Amen! I've been saying the same thing for weeks with various comments here and there wishing for MS/Xbox One to just crash and burn or die out or something. People bitch about no competition with NCAA/Madden (no necessarily here, but in a great many other places on the web), and yet they wish for the same thing to happen in consoles. As I said before, do you really believe or think Sony would make massive, expensive upgrades to the PS4 (at a potential loss again like with the PS3) and sell it for a semi-reasonably low price if they were the only console in town? Hell no. They could go cheap with the parts, no make the big leap in technology and keep the price jacked up, because hey, who's going to stop them other than PCs?

Like I asked a couple days or week or two ago, are there was bunch of wars between people regarding brands of TVs? Brands of DVD and Blu-ray players? DVDs vs. Blu-ray itself? Brands of refrigerators? I have never understood why there is always this "us vs. them" with game consoles and how other people constantly try to force you to declare your allegiance to one or the other. It's just utter stupidity. It's called you buy what you want and be happy. I'll buy what I want and be happy. And we'll leave it at that.

Personally, I'm still undecided. Right now if you'd ask me, I'd probably go PS4 at launch and then get the One when Titanfall comes out, however, that's always subject to change. I certainly don't wish for one of these guys to do so horribly that they exit the console wars. My friends are all major Sony supporters, and I've been telling them this for weeks: if Microsoft doesn't exist, there is ZERO chance the PS4 costs $399. If Microsoft didn't exist and if Microsoft didn't rip away nearly half of Sony's consumer base with the 360, we're getting a $500 or $600 PS4...guaranteed.

CLW

06-17-2013, 05:43 PM

I don't. No competition is a very bad, bad thing.

Amen! I've been saying the same thing for weeks with various comments here and there wishing for MS/Xbox One to just crash and burn or die out or something. People bitch about no competition with NCAA/Madden (no necessarily here, but in a great many other places on the web), and yet they wish for the same thing to happen in consoles. As I said before, do you really believe or think Sony would make massive, expensive upgrades to the PS4 (at a potential loss again like with the PS3) and sell it for a semi-reasonably low price if they were the only console in town? Hell no. They could go cheap with the parts, no make the big leap in technology and keep the price jacked up, because hey, who's going to stop them other than PCs?

Like I asked a couple days or week or two ago, are there was bunch of wars between people regarding brands of TVs? Brands of DVD and Blu-ray players? DVDs vs. Blu-ray itself? Brands of refrigerators? I have never understood why there is always this "us vs. them" with game consoles and how other people constantly try to force you to declare your allegiance to one or the other. It's just utter stupidity. It's called you buy what you want and be happy. I'll buy what I want and be happy. And we'll leave it at that.

I do not hope MS fails, I do hope they are forced to change the business model they have put before the consumer. The market pushing back is the only way any business changes/rethinks its models. In addition, if video gaming is a viable market and attractive to business I assure you that if MS "fails" and pulls out some one will correct their error(s) and get in the game. Whether that is Apple, Samsung or L.G. no one knows.

Well the conservatives and liberals @ TGT agree market competition is a good thing?

Although can we REALLY say that XB1 is legitimate competition to the vastly superior PS4? :nod:

SCClassof93

06-17-2013, 05:46 PM

I'm a Libertarian ;)

I OU a Beatn

06-17-2013, 05:48 PM

I think that depends entirely upon Microsoft. They're going to fairly quickly have to match Sony in price or pull the wool over consumer's eyes by offering a $299 box with a 2 year contract. Then they're going to have to get cracking on bringing exclusive games to their system. If they do what they did early in the 360's life, they'll be just fine. If they do what they did the last 2 or 3 years (focus on entertainment, Kinect, and maybe 1 big exclusive per year), they're going to get smoked.

That's IF people are accepting of the 24 hour check, mandatory Kinect, and then the really confusing stance on used games. Who knows, I personally think it'll at least sell well out of the gates but I think it's going to be in a big hole if the supply issues are true.

bdoughty

06-17-2013, 05:48 PM

Hope they die just like Nintendo is dying.

That is not even close to the case. While I think they completely flubbed it with the WiiU, it will still end up making them money in the long run. Once a NEW Mario and Zelda are released this will go back to normal (I might even jump on the bandwagon for a new Zelda). They have been living without full 3rd party support for a long time. Plus they also have a little trinket called the 3DS that sells a shitload in both hardware and software.

SmoothPancakes

06-17-2013, 05:49 PM

Well the conservatives and liberals @ TGT agree market competition is a good thing?

Although can we REALLY say that XB1 is legitimate competition to the vastly superior PS4? :nod:

Hey, competition is competition. :D

SmoothPancakes

06-17-2013, 05:52 PM

Personally, I'm still undecided. Right now if you'd ask me, I'd probably go PS4 at launch and then get the One when Titanfall comes out, however, that's always subject to change. I certainly don't wish for one of these guys to do so horribly that they exit the console wars. My friends are all major Sony supporters, and I've been telling them this for weeks: if Microsoft doesn't exist, there is ZERO chance the PS4 costs $399. If Microsoft didn't exist and if Microsoft didn't rip away nearly half of Sony's consumer base with the 360, we're getting a $500 or $600 PS4...guaranteed.

Yeah, I'm sort of reconsidering right now, if the overheating stuff turns out true. While I never personally dealt with any RROD issues with the 360, I heard plenty of stories about it. Ultimately, if I decide not to get the Xbox One on release, I may just completely put off next-gen altogether for a year or two like I had originally planned, at least until the next Halo comes out. Realistically, most games that I'll be buying this fall, I'd be buying for the 360 anyways, regardless of whether I got the Xbox One or not.

JBHuskers

06-17-2013, 06:33 PM

That is not even close to the case. While I think they completely flubbed it with the WiiU, it will still end up making them money in the long run. Once a NEW Mario and Zelda are released this will go back to normal (I might even jump on the bandwagon for a new Zelda). They have been living without full 3rd party support for a long time. Plus they also have a little trinket called the 3DS that sells a shitload in both hardware and software.

I dunno. That ship might have sailed.

bdoughty

06-17-2013, 07:09 PM

I dunno. That ship might have sailed.

Their balance sheet would dictate otherwise. (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/financials/financials.asp?ticker=NTDOY&dataset=balanceSheet&period=A&currency=native)

This is a company that posted it's first annual loss (2012) in the three decades (http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/05/02/nintendo-reports-its-first-annual-loss-in-three-decades-over-500-million-in-the-red/).

Even with sluggish sales they are making a profit off the last 12 months (http://venturebeat.com/2013/04/24/nintendo-reports-a-slight-full-year-profit-but-wii-u-sales-slow-to-a-crawl/).

gschwendt

06-19-2013, 03:05 PM

GiantBomb: Microsoft to Pull Complete Reversal on Xbox One DRM Policies (http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/microsoft-to-pull-complete-reversal-on-xbox-one-dr/1100-4673/)

I OU a Beatn

06-19-2013, 03:13 PM

:D:D

AustinWolv

06-19-2013, 03:30 PM

That is hilarious if true. Means the used game complaint goes out the window, as does rental worries.

bdoughty

06-19-2013, 03:36 PM

GiantBomb: Microsoft to Pull Complete Reversal on Xbox One DRM Policies (http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/microsoft-to-pull-complete-reversal-on-xbox-one-dr/1100-4673/)

The game is afoot.

Kingpin32

06-19-2013, 03:37 PM

It'll be even ground pretty much aside from the $100 difference.

I OU a Beatn

06-19-2013, 03:40 PM

It'll be even ground pretty much aside from the $100 difference.

...and the sizable difference in graphics capabilities.

Even if this is true, it doesn't affect my current plan to go PS4 first. I really don't like the idea of paying a $100 premium for inferior hardware just because of an included camera I'd never use. Still, if true, good news. I don't see the point personally since it's going to happen eventually, but eh. :D

bdoughty

06-19-2013, 03:42 PM

It'll be even ground pretty much aside from the $100 difference.

But the Kinect is included, which makes it a wash. Unless you are paranoid of it spying on you, like one outspoken member here, then it is still box of evil and debauchery.

Kingpin32

06-19-2013, 03:47 PM

But the Kinect is included, which makes it a wash. Unless you are paranoid of it spying on you, like one outspoken member here, then it is still box of evil and debauchery.

I don't know, I mean I see where gamers hate that Kinect is included, but if you recently bought a 360 it included Kinect didn't it?

bdoughty

06-19-2013, 03:48 PM

...and the sizable difference in graphics capabilities.

Yeah, I seem to recall that being a big selling point for the PS3, how did that work out for them? Outside of Sony games and a few titles most games were a wash or looked/played better on the 360. Plus games like Skyrim and Fallout on PS3 were a complete clusterfuck. :fp:

Personally I think the multi-platform games will be very similar this next gen on the Xbox One and PS4, just as they were this gen.

Reality is that the First Party games and exclusives will now be a big decider in what system to buy. I am still leaning toward PS4 for this reason. When I do jump on the next gen bandwagon I would like to have a baseball game and hopefully the next Uncharted will be in the works.

Since I hate most sci-fi games, the only exclusives I cared about were Arcade games like Trials HD/Evo.

bdoughty

06-19-2013, 03:52 PM

I don't know, I mean I see where gamers hate that Kinect is included, but if you recently bought a 360 it included Kinect didn't it?

Nope, unless it was a special bundle. Right now the main SKU's are the standard 250gb and 4gb models.

I OU a Beatn

06-19-2013, 03:53 PM

Yeah, I seem to recall that being a big selling point for the PS3, how did that work out for them? Outside of Sony games and a few titles most games were a wash or looked/played better on the 360. Plus games like Skyrim and Fallout on PS3 were a complete clusterfuck. :fp:

Personally I think the multi-platform games will be very similar this next gen on the Xbox One and PS4, just as they were this gen.

The PS3 didn't have anywhere close the advantage over the 360 the PS4 is going to have over the One. There was only a marginal difference and most of the babble about that was centered around the cell architecture, which turned out to be an over hyped marketing tool for Sony that ended up backfiring on them because it took developers forever to figure out how to develop for it. Microsoft's doing the same thing right now with their "power of the cloud" BS. The PS4 vs the One is a much bigger difference than PS3 vs 360.

I never said games on multiple platforms would look a lot different. They wont. That isn't because of the power of the console, though. That's because developers more than likely aren't willing to optimize one version over the other, and because Microsoft will probably require publishers to sign contracts that their game can't be vastly better on other platforms, just like they reportedly did with the 360 this generation.

In fact, I'm pretty sure the 360 had a BETTER GPU than the PS3. It was the processor that made the PS3 marginally faster.

AustinWolv

06-19-2013, 03:53 PM

I OU a Beatn

06-19-2013, 04:00 PM

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

That's actually a huge bummer. I was really looking forward to being able to share a library of games (I already had my "family" picked out) and being able to play without needing to have the disc in. Oh well.

gschwendt

06-19-2013, 04:02 PM

Requiring the disc to be in the tray is definitely a huge bummer... that was one of the nicer features I would have wanted as I'm a lazy bastard. When the PS3 was launched, I kept wondering when they were going to offer some kind of disc changer system :D

SmoothPancakes

06-19-2013, 04:03 PM

Well, really the whole DRM never mattered much to me, but in the big picture, it is a good thing if true.

My 360 is always connected to the internet. I have it automatically log into Xbox Live and my account on start up. I always install my games onto the hard drive very first thing I do with each new game. If my internet goes out, I couldn't care less about playing a game, I'm trying to figure out why my POS internet went out.

The only games I have ever sold were NCAA 09/10 and Madden 09/10 years ago. Everything else, I keep just because every now and then I'll get the itch for one of them and want to be able to just pop them in and fire them up. I still like to go back and shoot shit up in the campaign of Call of Duty 4 now and then. Same with other games. There's a reason I still own all of the Final Fantasies from Anthology up through XIII-2 on PS1, PS2 and 360. I still keep my PS2 hooked up to fire up some of the PS1 Final Fantasies from time to time. I'm basically a hoarder when it comes to games. :D I don't play them all often, but I still play them all now and then.

Ultimately, if true, it will finally put to rest all of the PS4 vs. 360 DRM shit and we can get back to just talking games. And maybe Xbox One will get a fair shake now in the eyes of gamers and media.

The only thing that keeps me (and has kept me) from going 100% all in on Xbox One day one is the reports of overheating. After hearing (thankfully never experiencing) the horror stories of RRODs on the 360, it has me concerned with the day one systems. Something I'm going to have to keep an eye on over the coming months.

bdoughty

06-19-2013, 04:06 PM

SmoothPancakes

06-19-2013, 04:07 PM

That's actually a huge bummer. I was really looking forward to being able to share a library of games (I already had my "family" picked out) and being able to play without needing to have the disc in. Oh well.

Was that something announced my MS or Major Nelson?

GatorfanStovy

06-19-2013, 04:08 PM

That is great news! I'm glad all that BS is gone and we share games and what not and not be connected 24/7 . When I finally the X1 it will be awesome. But the ps4 comes first!

I OU a Beatn

06-19-2013, 04:09 PM

All games will be downloadable day one. So, for the truly lazy...

This is true, but then you'll (probably) have to fork over full retail price and then you wont have the option to sell it once you're done. I'm really hoping that digital prices start to fall a little bit. Sony and Microsoft are both HORRIBLE at prices for full retail digital games. Offer them at $45 or $50 day one and people will buy it. Besides, it SHOULD be cheaper. No discs to manufacture, no shipping and packaging, no dealing with retail stores, it's all 100% pure profit. There's no reason why they should be full price, IMO.

I OU a Beatn

06-19-2013, 04:10 PM

Was that something announced my MS or Major Nelson?

That post was directly from Microsoft:

Link (http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update)

SmoothPancakes

06-19-2013, 04:10 PM

All games will be downloadable day one. So, for the truly lazy...

:nod:

Honestly, I'd be tempted to go that route. I already buy all my games new, so I'm paying full price anyways. And practically no one puts manuals in the cases anymore, just their EULA crap. So simply buying and downloading games straight from the console and skipping the Amazon/B&M stores would work for me if I wanted to do that.

CLW

06-19-2013, 04:11 PM

bdoughty

06-19-2013, 04:11 PM

This is true, but then you'll (probably) have to fork over full retail price and then you wont have the option to sell it once you're done. I'm really hoping that digital prices start to fall a little bit. Sony and Microsoft are both HORRIBLE at prices for full retail digital games. Offer them at $45 or $50 day one and people will buy it. Besides, it SHOULD be cheaper. No discs to manufacture, no shipping and packaging, no dealing with retail stores, it's all 100% pure profit. There's no reason why they should be full price, IMO.

Completely agree. You should at the very least get $10 off the games. A) Because of all the things you mention. B) It pleases the Game Publishers, since you can't resell it, thus "not costing them a sale."

SmoothPancakes

06-19-2013, 04:13 PM

That post was directly from Microsoft:

Link (http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update)

Nice! So it is indeed official then. I think I may cancel my PS4 pre-order now. :D While it would be nice to get both, Shelling out $900 literally weeks before the holiday season (and the other loads of money I'll be spending then) is a little steep for my wallet. Since there is no longer any DRM to deal with on the Xbox One, any remotely potential issue there is no longer valid. Only issue is RRODs/overheating. Otherwise, I'm good to go full speed ahead on the Xbox One. I may still get the PS4 down the road, but their exclusives (other than MLB The Show) have never really be something I just HAD to have. Xbox on the other hand, has Halo, and will have Titanfall.

I OU a Beatn

06-19-2013, 04:15 PM

It pleases the Game Publishers, since you can't resell it, thus "costing them a sale."

Good point, never thought of that. Since that is the case, you'd think publishers would be really trying to go after digital sales by making them more enticing. Personally, if there was a $10 or $15 discount over retail, I'd go digital only in a heartbeat. However, when the price is the same, I just don't see the point...I guess I'd rather have a physical product if it's the same price.

CLW

06-19-2013, 04:17 PM

Good point, never thought of that. Since that is the case, you'd think publishers would be really trying to go after digital sales by making them more enticing. Personally, if there was a $10 or $15 discount over retail, I'd go digital only in a heartbeat. However, when the price is the same, I just don't see the point...I guess I'd rather have a physical product if it's the same price.

Yep its the BIGGEST difference between "Steam model" and PSN/Live model. You give up your right of selling something you ought to get something back in return (i.e. lower price due to giving up that right).

I OU a Beatn

06-19-2013, 04:19 PM

I'm seriously disappointed that family share thing is gone. That was the main reason I was excited for the One. I understand they had to do that since the online check is now gone, but still, I was really looking forward to that.

GatorfanStovy

06-19-2013, 04:19 PM

Actually this may sway to x1 first instead of the ps4. Again the only exclussive on ps4 was MLB the show and I can live with out that for know.

Kingpin32

06-19-2013, 04:20 PM

Good point, never thought of that. Since that is the case, you'd think publishers would be really trying to go after digital sales by making them more enticing. Personally, if there was a $10 or $15 discount over retail, I'd go digital only in a heartbeat. However, when the price is the same, I just don't see the point...I guess I'd rather have a physical product if it's the same price.

Yeah if they're the same price I agree, I'd much rather have the physical copy. I like looking at the game cover artwork.

SmoothPancakes

06-19-2013, 04:20 PM

lmao if that isn't the BIGGEST admission of defeat ever I don't know what is. It will be interesting to see how this plays out now.

Will consumers say "all is forgiven"? I mean after all NOTHING would stop MS from re-instituting the DRM policy at a later date after you've paid for your console of course.

Maybe, but at least they're doing something about it, even if it is nothing but a giant picture of them raising the white flag. At least they released that they overstepped big time on DRM and are reeling it in. Could they re-institute it later on? Of course. It's no different than EA being able to re-institute online passes sometime down the road. Will they though? I doubt it. The public backlash and fury that would follow if they just one day decided to slam it all back on probably really would bury the Xbox One and MS. Because of that, I doubt they'll consider DRM on a console again until the next next-gen consoles (and only after Sony has revealed what they plan to do).

Kingpin32

06-19-2013, 04:22 PM

Maybe, but at least they're doing something about it, even if it is nothing but a giant picture of them raising the white flag. At least they released that they overstepped big time on DRM and are reeling it in. Could they re-institute it later on? Of course. It's no different than EA being able to re-institute online passes sometime down the road. Will they though? I doubt it. The public backlash and fury that would follow if they just one day decided to slam it all back on probably really would bury the Xbox One and MS. Because of that, I doubt they'll consider DRM on a console again until the next next-gen consoles (and only after Sony has revealed what they plan to do).
I think by the time it's ready for the next next-gen consoles, we'll be on a solely digital platform.

SmoothPancakes

06-19-2013, 04:22 PM

SmoothPancakes

06-19-2013, 04:24 PM

I think by the time it's ready for the next next-gen consoles, we'll be on a solely digital platform.

I definitely wouldn't be surprised there. It'll be somewhere after 2020 when the next consoles come out, by that time, I have a feeling a lot will have changed. I sort of wondered, before all the details for both came out, if they would both go all digital THIS upcoming gen. Next time around, I would almost be expecting them to go straight digital on everything.

I OU a Beatn

06-19-2013, 04:27 PM

I think by the time it's ready for the next next-gen consoles, we'll be on a solely digital platform.

I've been saying this for 2 or 3 years now. This upcoming generation will be the last with physical media. After this generation, it'll be all digital, meaning you wont be able to trade in your games anyway. That's exactly why I never understood all the backlash anyway. It's going to happen.

JBHuskers

06-19-2013, 04:27 PM

:bp:

JBHuskers

06-19-2013, 04:29 PM

Still doesn't change anything for me, except I might consider the XB1 sooner than originally planned, which was tax refund 2015.

Kingpin32

06-19-2013, 04:29 PM

I definitely wouldn't be surprised there. It'll be somewhere after 2020 when the next consoles come out, by that time, I have a feeling a lot will have changed. I sort of wondered, before all the details for both came out, if they would both go all digital THIS upcoming gen. Next time around, I would almost be expecting them to go straight digital on everything.

I wouldn't be surprised either, but then what would happen to the retail aspect of the game section at department stores? I think there's always gonna be some sort retail presence.

GatorfanStovy

06-19-2013, 04:33 PM

This is the best news since E3 . Damn ps4 might have competition now! Oh yea!

JBHuskers

06-19-2013, 05:03 PM

This is the best news since E3 . Damn ps4 might have competition now! Oh yea!

I dunno. Lots of bridges have been burned.

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gschwendt

06-19-2013, 05:04 PM

SmoothPancakes

06-19-2013, 05:09 PM

I wouldn't be surprised either, but then what would happen to the retail aspect of the game section at department stores? I think there's always gonna be some sort retail presence.

Similar to what we have now for MS points and Xbox Live Gold cards. Have cards for the games, you pay whatever price is charged for them, and they contain a code to download the game on your console.

bdoughty

06-19-2013, 05:14 PM

I dunno. Lots of bridges have been burned.

People have short memories. Once the consoles come out all they will only be concerned with the games.

bdoughty

06-19-2013, 05:18 PM

Wouldn't it be something if Microsoft ends up making this an either/or option? Those that want the DRM-enabled features can turn them on and those that want used games can turn them on. I'm not sure how exactly it would work out but maybe have it a once a year opt-in or something.

The only benefit is if they allowed family play back. I would imagine so few people would go this route you would have nobody to share with.

CLW

06-19-2013, 05:34 PM

Waits for the Meme of PS4 putting XB1 in an angle lock (or some other wrestling submission move) and XB1 is tapping out crying like a girl. :nod:

CLW

06-19-2013, 05:49 PM

Looks like the XBoxOne80 is now trending on twitter.

AustinWolv

06-19-2013, 06:35 PM

People have short memories. Once the consoles come out all they will only be concerned with the games.
Worked for PS3, what with their network issues and boring launch.

bdoughty

06-19-2013, 07:09 PM

Worked for PS3, what with their network issues and boring launch.

Beware of speaking ill of the greatness that is every Sony console known to man.

PS3 is great
PS3 is good
Let us thank it for this very thread
By it's success we are not dead
Give us Cell and Blast Processing

AaaaaaaaaaaPS4

I OU a Beatn

06-19-2013, 07:43 PM

PS3's launch was one of the more abysmal ones I've ever witnessed. I still can't believe I forked over $600 for that damn thing. I love my gaming systems, but I regretted that purchase for a long time (until Metal Gear Solid 4 to be exact).

I have to assume the One launch will be much better than that. $500 is a reasonable price point (although it would be flying off the shelves at $400) and it has a very good catalog of games to start, so it'll be fine. I'd almost be willing to wager that it wins America again.

JBHuskers

06-19-2013, 08:07 PM

Beware of speaking ill of the greatness that is every Sony console known to man.

PS3 is great
PS3 is good
Let us thank it for this very thread
By it's success we are not dead
Give us Cell and Blast Processing

AaaaaaaaaaaPS4

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LJZBU51TCwM/TuVDztVv4fI/AAAAAAAAAP4/g0BZcEpTdBM/s1600/Pot_Meet_Kettle.jpg

bdoughty

06-19-2013, 08:16 PM

http://i.imgur.com/H5F5ihZ.jpg

I am still going with the PS4? I just find it amusing... Well, never mind.

SmoothPancakes

06-19-2013, 08:19 PM

Beware of speaking ill of the greatness that is every Sony console known to man.

PS3 is great
PS3 is good
Let us thank it for this very thread
By it's success we are not dead
Give us Cell and Blast Processing

AaaaaaaaaaaPS4

If only they could keep their network from getting hacked and knocked offline for multiple months at a time. ;) :D

bdoughty

06-19-2013, 08:23 PM

If only they could keep their network from getting hacked and knocked offline for multiple months at a time. ;) :D

Thou shalt not offer PSN thy credit card information. I will be buying gift cards for PSN+, etc, when the time comes.

JBHuskers

06-19-2013, 09:07 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rbAefjzovJg

CLW

06-19-2013, 09:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rbAefjzovJg

LMAO that guy has another rant that went viral too. is he the guy that went ape shit when punk lost the title and his gf made fun of him?

JBHuskers

06-19-2013, 09:12 PM

LMAO that guy has another rant that went viral too. is he the guy that went ape shit when punk lost the title and his gf made fun of him?

No that guy wasn't nearly as fat :D

Kingpin32

06-19-2013, 09:24 PM

It's not all party hats and hand jobs over here.

CLW

06-19-2013, 09:31 PM

No that guy wasn't nearly as fat :D

Your right....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI-y0ZDcntE

gschwendt

06-19-2013, 09:46 PM

LMAO that guy has another rant that went viral too. is he the guy that went ape shit when punk lost the title and his gf made fun of him?
I didn't watch the video but the ranting version of this guy is 100% an act. His real persona comes across as very intelligent and well-spoken.

CLW

06-19-2013, 09:51 PM

I didn't watch the video but the ranting version of this guy is 100% an act. His real persona comes across as very intelligent and well-spoken.

People put on an act on the internet? :smh: