Coaching Carousel: Love It or Hate It?

[OptionMasta]

Let's hope you get offered a HC job, jaymo. I'm hoping the same happens for me because I am itching to play defense already. I used to super sim defense last year but this year I am really interested in playing both sides. I want to also recruit my guys. Just being the offense is getting a little stale.

If I don't get offered a HC job this time around (year 3) I am going to be a little disappointed. After my first season I think I would have been in the running for the San Jose State job but decided to take the Pitt OC job. My contract expires after the 4th season so definitely I need to get a HC job then. If not, I don't think I could advise anyone to play as a coordinator because it could be NCAA 13 release day before you finally get a HC job.

[jaymo76]

What is Casteel's Alma Mater in the game? I know when I went through and edited the names and Alma Maters of head coaches in FK's roster file, there was only maybe 15 or 20 HCs who had their Alma Mater set correctly. I can't imagine the OCs and DCs were any better. It could be a possible explanation for why some of the big name coordinators when to some of the most random schools.

The wife and kids have the TV so I will have to check after but I'm not sure. Thanks Mors I didn't actually know what the alma mater was for the WVU coaching staff. It seems as though all amla maters are random. Tonight I might do some internet research and change alma maters of major coaches and coordinators.

[jaymo76]

Let's hope you get offered a HC job, jaymo. I'm hoping the same happens for me because I am itching to play defense already. I used to super sim defense last year but this year I am really interested in playing both sides. I want to also recruit my guys. Just being the offense is getting a little stale.

If I don't get offered a HC job this time around (year 3) I am going to be a little disappointed. After my first season I think I would have been in the running for the San Jose State job but decided to take the Pitt OC job. My contract expires after the 4th season so definitely I need to get a HC job then. If not, I don't think I could advise anyone to play as a coordinator because it could be NCAA 13 release day before you finally get a HC job.

I'm pretty sure you will get an HC offer this year. Now the Q... are you going to jump at the first offer or "wait and see" and run the risk of no offer??? Before you start carousel look at all the HC's their contract length and approval rating. Then go through and look and see what school re-upped early. Last night I thought I was a shoe in for the UTEP job so I passed on New Mexico... I was wrong. Good luck this time around.

[SmoothPancakes]

The wife and kids have the TV so I will have to check after but I'm not sure. Thanks Mors I didn't actually know what the alma mater was for the WVU coaching staff. It seems as though all amla maters are random. Tonight I might do some internet research and change alma maters of major coaches and coordinators.

I don't know if mors still has it as it was Google Docs excel file, but mors (90%) and myself (10%) looked up all the alma maters for all 240 coordinators. I already have an excel file on my laptop with the alma maters for all 120 head coaches. It'd save you some time at least.

[cdj]

I don't know if mors still has it as it was Google Docs excel file, but mors (90%) and myself (10%) looked up all the alma maters for all 240 coordinators. I already have an excel file on my laptop with the alma maters for all 120 head coaches. It'd save you some time at least.

What did you guys put for those with alma maters of non-FBS schools? The game doesn't have a 'None' or 'FCS' option. At quick glance, on the PS3 side it looks like first FBS job is what they went with.

[SmoothPancakes]

What did you guys put for those with alma maters of non-FBS schools? The game doesn't have a 'None' or 'FCS' option. At quick glance, on the PS3 side it looks like first FBS job is what they went with.

That's what we did. For those with alma maters of non-FBS schools, we went with the first FBS job in their coaching career for their alma mater.

[jaymo76]

I don't know if mors still has it as it was Google Docs excel file, but mors (90%) and myself (10%) looked up all the alma maters for all 240 coordinators. I already have an excel file on my laptop with the alma maters for all 120 head coaches. It'd save you some time at least.

Awesome!

[OptionMasta]

I'm pretty sure you will get an HC offer this year. Now the Q... are you going to jump at the first offer or "wait and see" and run the risk of no offer??? Before you start carousel look at all the HC's their contract length and approval rating. Then go through and look and see what school re-upped early. Last night I thought I was a shoe in for the UTEP job so I passed on New Mexico... I was wrong. Good luck this time around.

We'll have to see. I still have a year left on my contract after this so I may not get a HC offer. I am 8-4 going into bowl season this year as the team was quite disappointing (my offense included). I still hit the goals I was supposed to, though, besides the one for having a 60% completion percentage. My original QB (Sunseri) was a good passer and had some legs but he graduated and I was left with a guy with legs or a guy with an arm and I chose the guy with legs. Unfortunately, he's not accurate at all.

I'll report back on what happens. Should be interesting.

[jaymo76]

That's what we did. For those with alma maters of non-FBS schools, we went with the first FBS job in their coaching career for their alma mater.

Just looked it up...

Casteel has UTEP and Bedenbaugh has Texas Tech...

[OptionMasta]

So I finished my season at 9-4 with Pitt with a win in the Liberty Bowl. I had met all my goals again for the season. There seemed to be a lot of HC with low approval ratings so I thought I had a good chance at quite a few jobs. I believe that UTEP was among them as well as you had previously mentioned. When it was my turn I had the usual OC offers - UCLA, USF, etc. that you need to wade through in order to see if there are any HC positions. One of the unexpected openings was ULM's head coaching job. The guy left after an 8 win season in the Sun Belt to be an OC at LSU. I got an offer to be HC of WKU first but declined as the ULM roster is much better fit to what I want to do and more talented as well. ULM offered me and I accepted.

I missed out on a few HC jobs as well. The HC jobs that came after me were Buffalo, Temple, Idaho, and MTSU. I'm coaching Temple in another dynasty and although I really like them that's not a big loss. I may have preferred one of the other job offers to ULM but we'll have to see. Unfortunately, I was not offered the Arkansas State job despite the fact that I started there. Also, I believe it's noteworthy that I got a 1 year contract while most of these other positions were 3 year deals. I think that's kind of strange and hope it doesn't come back to bite me.

[jaymo76]

So I finished my season at 9-4 with Pitt with a win in the Liberty Bowl. I had met all my goals again for the season. There seemed to be a lot of HC with low approval ratings so I thought I had a good chance at quite a few jobs. I believe that UTEP was among them as well as you had previously mentioned. When it was my turn I had the usual OC offers - UCLA, USF, etc. that you need to wade through in order to see if there are any HC positions. One of the unexpected openings was ULM's head coaching job. The guy left after an 8 win season in the Sun Belt to be an OC at LSU. I got an offer to be HC of WKU first but declined as the ULM roster is much better fit to what I want to do and more talented as well. ULM offered me and I accepted.

I missed out on a few HC jobs as well. The HC jobs that came after me were Buffalo, Temple, Idaho, and MTSU. I'm coaching Temple in another dynasty and although I really like them that's not a big loss. I may have preferred one of the other job offers to ULM but we'll have to see. Unfortunately, I was not offered the Arkansas State job despite the fact that I started there. Also, I believe it's noteworthy that I got a 1 year contract while most of these other positions were 3 year deals. I think that's kind of strange and hope it doesn't come back to bite me.

Yeah last night I was offered the ULL job. I was tempted but they are ranked 120th and a 66 ovr. Plus, they had the worst recruiting class of the year. It was a three year offer. However, the New Mexico job was only for a year. Maybe they want to see if you're worth it the first time around.

[morsdraconis]

Just looked it up...

Casteel has UTEP and Bedenbaugh has Texas Tech...

Then it looks like they already have them set to whatever their first FBS job was as that is what Casteel should have.

As for the spreadsheet, unfortunately, I already deleted it.

[BaylorBearBryant]

I love CC, but I hope the supersim and coach prestige get fixed in a patch. If not this year, then definitely with NCAA13.

[jaymo76]

Then it looks like they already have them set to whatever their first FBS job was as that is what Casteel should have.

As for the spreadsheet, unfortunately, I already deleted it.

Well on the brightside we can EDIT coaches alma maters at ANY TIME in dynasty so the customization works well here.

[SmoothPancakes]

Awesome!

Jaymo, here's the link to my Google Docs file of the HC Alma Maters.

https://spreadsheets3.google.com/spr...lQCCspgg#gid=0

Let me know if you want to work on Coordinators. Just PM me your email address and I'll add you to the list of people allowed to edit if you want to look up alma maters online. I can go through my roster file in game and look up what myself and mors had the alma maters set as and edit them into the list when I get a chance.

[OptionMasta]

Just read some disappointing news. Pastapadre reports an issue with (online) dynasty regarding the coaching carousel: after expiration of a contract the user isn't allowed into the carousel for some odd reason if they choose to explore their other options rather than renewing their contract.

http://www.pastapadre.com/2011/07/18...oblems-surface

I really hope that this doesn't happen 100% of the time to every user. If that's the case, I'm in trouble if ULM decides to keep me and I would like to explore the other options at the end of the season.

[SmoothPancakes]

Just read some disappointing news. Pastapadre reports an issue with (online) dynasty regarding the coaching carousel: after expiration of a contract the user isn't allowed into the carousel for some odd reason if they choose to explore their other options rather than renewing their contract.

http://www.pastapadre.com/2011/07/18...oblems-surface

I really hope that this doesn't happen 100% of the time to every user. If that's the case, I'm in trouble if ULM decides to keep me and I would like to explore the other options at the end of the season.

I've just fired up a random OD to test this out. This could be an issue for me as I'm doing a single player OD, and one of my job progression rules is that I must fulfill all years of each contract before I can consider leaving for a different job.

[OptionMasta]

What do you mean by "job progression rules?" Is that when you get a contract and say you will not be offered another one until that contract expires?

I went through and left before the 3rd year of my contract and it doesn't seem like I was penalized at all for it. My prestige actually went up from something in the C range to B+.

[SmoothPancakes]

What do you mean by "job progression rules?" Is that when you get a contract and say you will not be offered another one until that contract expires?

I went through and left before the 3rd year of my contract and it doesn't seem like I was penalized at all for it. My prestige actually went up from something in the C range to B+.

These are the rules that I'm forcing upon myself when it comes to job progression in my dynasty.

Job Progression Rules

Year One

• Start dynasty as OC/DC at a one star prestige mid-major program.
  
  --- Can be only OC or DC for first 6-7 years of dynasty.

Years Two and Three

• May only move on to higher rated OC/DC jobs after full completion of first contract.
  
  --- Next OC/DC job must be at another mid-major program, no more than three stars prestige.

Years Six and Seven

• May only make jump to Head Coach after 6-7 years if going to a mid-major program.
  
  --- Mid-major program must be three stars prestige or less.
  
  ------- May move onto four stars prestige or less mid-major programs after completion of first Head Coach contract.
  _____________
  
  --- OC/DC positions at major/AQ conference programs are now available, up to four stars.
  
  ------- May accept OC/DC at all programs up to five stars after three or more years as OC/DC at a major/AQ conference program.
  
  ---------- May accept OC/DC at all programs, including six star prestige, after five or more years at five stars prestige or less major/AQ conference programs.

Years Twelve and beyond

• May only make jump to Head Coach of major programs after 5 years HC experience at mid-major.
  
  --- May accept HC jobs at five star prestige programs or less.
  
  ------- May accept HC jobs at any programs, including six star prestige, after five or more years at five stars prestige or less major/AQ conference programs.

Contract Rules

• Must honor contract years in full, except:
  
  --- May leave via opt-out clause if offered a coaching contract from Navy (alma mater).
  
  ------- Includes all versions of contracts (OC, DC, and Head Coach).

I'm also starting to have some serious second thoughts about making my main dynasty, that I'm posting about in the Dynasty Reports forum, a single player online dynasty. I just went through the coaching carousel in this test OD I'm doing, and CC in online dynasty is extremely less fun than offline dynasty, as all the other jobs are already filled and coaches changed behind the scenes, and you're basically just sitting there accepting or declining whatever job offers teams are giving you as you are "On the Clock" the entire time in the OD coaching carousel. Nowhere near as fun as the offline dynasty CC.

[SmoothPancakes]

Ok, I have no clue about this now. Unless it was fixed in the server side fixes and changes EA made that Dewiel posted about earlier, then apparently it just didn't happen to me. I chose to "Explore other options in the coaching carousel" instead of signing my new contract offer, and it brought up a window saying my coach was "On the clock" and I'm now currently going through the coaching carousel. So either this is a sporadic hit and miss issue with people and it doesn't affect everyone every time, or it was fixed by EA with their server side work and changes earlier today.