NCAA '12: Heisman 0 Threshold Sliders

[JerzeyReign]

Set 1
Settings - House Rules (Game Difficulty & Penalties)

Gameplay Options
Skill	Heisman
Injuries	On
Fatigue	On
Quarter Length	7 min
Play Clock	On
Coaching Tips	Off
Game Speed	Normal
Player Min Speed Threshold	0
Home Field Advantage Effects	On
Ice the Kicker	On
Game Rules
Offsides	85
False Start	85
Holding	85
Facemask	60
Offensive Pass Interference	100
Defensive Pass Interference	100
KR/PR Interference	100
Clipping	60
Intentional Grounding	100
Roughing the Passer	100
Roughing the Kicker	100
Custom AI
USER
QB Accuracy	35
Pass Blocking	50
WR Catching	65
RB Ability	45
Run Blocking	55
Pass Coverage	50
Pass Rush	35
Interceptions	35
Rush Defense	35
Tackling	45
FG Power	50
FG Accuracy	20
Punt Power	50
Punt Accuracy	50
Kickoff Power	45
CPU
QB Accuracy	35
Pass Blocking	50
WR Catching	65
RB Ability	45
Run Blocking	55
Pass Coverage	50
Pass Rush	35
Interceptions	35
Rush Defense	35
Tackling	45
FG Power	50
FG Accuracy	20
Punt Power	50
Punt Accuracy	50
Kickoff Power	45

Set 2
Settings - House Rules (Game Difficulty & Penalties)

Gameplay Options
Skill	Heisman
Injuries	On
Fatigue	On
Quarter Length	8 min
Play Clock	On
Coaching Tips	Off
Game Speed	Fast
Player Min Speed Threshold	0
Home Field Advantage Effects	On
Ice the Kicker	On
Game Rules
Offsides	85
False Start	85
Holding	57
Facemask	57
Offensive Pass Interference	100
Defensive Pass Interference	100
KR/PR Interference	100
Clipping	57
Intentional Grounding	100
Roughing the Passer	100
Roughing the Kicker	100
Custom AI
USER
QB Accuracy	15
Pass Blocking	15
WR Catching	35
RB Ability	10
Run Blocking	15
Pass Coverage	15
Pass Rush	5
Interceptions	35
Rush Defense	15
Tackling	10
FG Power	50
FG Accuracy	20
Punt Power	50
Punt Accuracy	50
Kickoff Power	45
CPU
QB Accuracy	15
Pass Blocking	15
WR Catching	35
RB Ability	10
Run Blocking	15
Pass Coverage	15
Pass Rush	5
Interceptions	35
Rush Defense	15
Tackling	10
FG Power	50
FG Accuracy	50
Punt Power	50
Punt Accuracy	50
Kickoff Power	45

[Whatcha]

What are you seeing that's making you want to tweak the sliders? I've played a few games with default heisman and been fairly impressed with how well it has played. My limited number of games, however, is a small sample, so I'm curious what you've seen. Thanks.

[JerzeyReign]

Honestly, I haven't seen much yet. I've put it down to 0 threshold on default and it played fairly well. I haven't really hit my stride because I want to ensure I have a strong grasp on the gameplay settings before I start 'tweaking like crazy'. Probably will hit it hard this weekend. With no wife present it should be fairly easy.

[hampshire2012]

Honestly, I haven't seen much yet. I've put it down to 0 threshold on default and it played fairly well. I haven't really hit my stride because I want to ensure I have a strong grasp on the gameplay settings before I start 'tweaking like crazy'. Probably will hit it hard this weekend. With no wife present it should be fairly easy.

What's the logic behind 0 threshold? It's one slider ive never really got to grips with. I mean I know precisely what it does I just never know how to modify it.

[SmoothPancakes]

What's the logic behind 0 threshold? It's one slider ive never really got to grips with. I mean I know precisely what it does I just never know how to modify it.

0 means if you were to go into a game or practice with 99 speed running backs and wide receivers and a secondary full of 60 speed guys, the running backs and wide receivers would pretty much run circles around the secondary. With the threshold at 0, the speed rating for players truly comes into factor in the game as that's the only thing that differentiates one player from another with a 0 threshold when it comes to how fast or slow they are. If you have the threshold at 100, all the players play like they're the same speed rating. So a 60 speed cornerback would have no problem at all keeping up with a 99 speed wide receiver.

[AustinWolv]

What are you seeing that's making you want to tweak the sliders? I've played a few games with default heisman and been fairly impressed with how well it has played. My limited number of games, however, is a small sample, so I'm curious what you've seen. Thanks.

I fully agree with this. I've only played 3 Play Now games, but I'm really pleased with the default Heisman this year so far.

[JerzeyReign]

I agree. Thats why I want to see how much a 0 threshold effects the gameplay. So far not to differently as the AI matches up a lot better than last year. I won't even lie to you guys, my base hasn't swayed from default yet. My tweaking is for when we all get used to the new game and start seeing different things jump out. With me being in the military and my week full, the weekend looks to be the best time to dive completely into it barring any setbacks.

[hampshire2012]

0 means if you were to go into a game or practice with 99 speed running backs and wide receivers and a secondary full of 60 speed guys, the running backs and wide receivers would pretty much run circles around the secondary. With the threshold at 0, the speed rating for players truly comes into factor in the game as that's the only thing that differentiates one player from another with a 0 threshold when it comes to how fast or slow they are. If you have the threshold at 100, all the players play like they're the same speed rating. So a 60 speed cornerback would have no problem at all keeping up with a 99 speed wide receiver.

Yeah I understand what it does, I've just ever understood how people decide to edit it. So i know that setting it to zero does what you've described, but is that too big a gap between fast and slow players? Is 50 too little? The devs must know what real life is on the slider.

[JerzeyReign]

Yeah I understand what it does, I've just ever understood how people decide to edit it. So i know that setting it to zero does what you've described, but is that too big a gap between fast and slow players? Is 50 too little? The devs must know what real life is on the slider.

I'll find some of the research others have put in. I personally just used the 'at 100' everyone plays at the same speed so 'at 0' they must play at their ratings. I have an example below of a 0 threshold play. #6 of Miami is a 94spd 93acc back. I think the quickest player on WF is a 90spd high 80s acceleration corner. If you look closely you can tell the exact moment I started to 'sprint'.

http://youtu.be/3iPhCFEV7_U

[UGA14]

I've only played 2 games on default Heisman and it's been a while since I played '11, but so far it seems relatively easy.

I just smashed Boise State 38-0 with Georgia and I beat Clemson last night 32-15. But that's a small sample size.

[AustinWolv]

Put up over 200 yards rushing with an 'average-rated' RB (Vincent Smith of UM) last night, busting two long TD runs during the game. Had a bunch of smaller 2-3 yard runs also of course with some 8-10 yarders thrown in also. I saved the highlights, but haven't uploaded them yet, but the speed seemed adequate as they showed him outrunning guys he should outrun and increasing the gap once he hit the open field.

Heisman really plays nicely this year out of the box. You get penalized for dumb throws bigtime, running isn't automatic but you can bust big ones even without star RBs, you better play smart on D as the CPU will abuse you but there isn't the robo-QB syndrome by any means so far, the CPU will hit you up deep if you neglect it, CPU can run the ball, CPU QB will run on you if nothing is open.........Heisman is a challenge, but it isn't cheap like some past versions. It really seems like they put some dedicated work into playcalling and how the CPU plays, although the CPU will make mistakes and be too aggressive at times so if you can recognize the coverage there are big plays to be had..........very nice.

[JerzeyReign]

@Austin -- I wish I could 'like' that post Facebook style They removed the famous force fields on Heisman making sliders difficult to tweak right now because it plays so 'right' right now. I'm really at a lost right now which is a good thing. The only thing I've changed is the 0 player threshold and I could call this the best 'out of the box' playing sports game this gen. Yes... it can be mentioned with MLB The Show in this category.

Just played SDSU (CPU) @ UNLV (Me) and lost 24-17. Score didn't reflect how dominant the SDSU offense was in this one as Tillman ran all over me. He had 191 total yards (149 on the ground). His speed made me keep an eye on him the whole time and it felt rewarding having to treat their star like a... star!

Hopefully, a patch doesn't mess things up but once everyone starts getting a little better and things are noticed please bring them up. I'll lab for you if you don't have the time.

Ray

[JerzeyReign]

Played one half with the above 'base' and for the first time I've actually been blown out playing as a cupcake versus a powerhouse. I (FAU) went down to Gainesville to take on Florida. Demps has been damn near impossible to contain and the whole Gator team is just too fast to keep track of. At the half its 34-10... my offense has been horrid and I've gotten a couple of lucky plays to even put points on the board.

Will start posting full stats this weekend.

[AustinWolv]

Good to hear others are experiencing the same.

It is still very early in regards to time spent playing the game so far, but for the past several versions I was already tweaking sliders and unhappy with the default gameplay. That urge and feeling of it being a necessity hasn't hit me yet, as I'm not 'feeling' or seeing trends that used to piss me off to no end in past versions.

[jwallace0317]

FWIW, I did some specific speed threshold testing for '11 (using edited test players running "sprints," i.e., streak routes as a base for comparison) and there was very little difference between setting the threshold at 0 and at default 50. If you took a player with 40 speed lined up against a player with 95 speed, and ran them for 50 yards, the 95 guy would get 5-7 extra yards of separation with threshold at 0 compared to 50. And, that's measured only after running deep for 50 yards (the extra separation being less than that after, say, 20 yards). As you might expect, the extra separation from setting the threshold at 0 was even smaller when comparing guys with a 95 speed to 85 speed. Anyway just thought I'd pass along the info. Ultimately I concluded that it was okay to leave it 50 because that's the default level that you can't change for user vs. user games anyway.

[JerzeyReign]

Finally made some tweaks. A video is currently processing that I will put up so you guys can see the set in action. The game was WSU (Me) at Washington. Only will upload the first half (sorry, I do a lot of half games during testing).

[JerzeyReign]

Gameplay Footage (Music Is NOT Safe For Work Or Children; Jay-Z Big Pimpin'):

[JerzeyReign]

More Gameplay. Illinois (CPU) @ Michigan (Me). Great game. Trying to find out how to narrate the videos so I can explain the sliders better.

[CeeGee]

Why does the "threshold" even exist in this game???

Why Can't a 95 speed guy best faster than a 90 speed guy on any difficulty setting ALWAYS???

[TheRealist]

One thing im noticing right away from your videos is that the screen pass is realistically effective whereas on default the cpu would always either pick it off or tackle for a loss. Ill give your sliders a shot from the vids they look good