That's what I figured and yeah, that Tiger Trey thing was the method behind my question.Originally Posted by Unconquered
That's what I figured and yeah, that Tiger Trey thing was the method behind my question.
Thanks Foley for showing all the different formations names.
My base formations are:
Ace Big
x x---x x
Ace Big Twins
xx x---x
Ace Twin TE
xx ---xx
Ace Twin TE Slot
x ---xx x
I might have mixed up the play art for twin te and twin te slot. I am able to motion guys around from any of these formations to get into one another and im trying to figure out if any of the ace formations you listed can allow me some extra "moves" if that makes any sense.
possible examples:
x x---xx
or
x xx---x
Last edited by HoggyStyle; 07-06-2011 at 10:27 AM.
You can't use Custom Playbooks while super simming. So for those of us running a "coaching" dynasty and paying the $2 to call a game online while not working, it's still a mighty important detail to know which playbooks will match our custoom playbooks as closely as possible, and what deficiencies we'll have to be aware of.You do realize that if Air Force's playbook doesn't have any of those formations that you can add them yourself with custom playbooks, right?
I'm not trying to be a d*ck, but I'm just saying that custom playbooks should solve (almost) any deficiency you might find in Air Force's default playbook.
Touché -- that never occurred to me.
not sure if this was asked before, but when you play an online opponent, can they see the name of the custom playbook you are using? in other words, would people be able to see if you are using a custom playbook and its name?
I wasnt aware of this any chance it will change?You can't use Custom Playbooks while super simming. So for those of us running a "coaching" dynasty and paying the $2 to call a game online while not working, it's still a mighty important detail to know which playbooks will match our custoom playbooks as closely as possible, and what deficiencies we'll have to be aware of.
Just watched the beginning of a game against Oneback and while I used a custom playbook, on my end it didn't show anything to indicate ANYTHING about either playbook.
Doesn't it display your playbook style at the controller select screen?
Anyway, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. On one hand, I've been worried about cheesers taking Spread as their default playbook and then loading it up with nothing but powerful I Formation plays to mislead you.
On the other hand, you can never really predict what your opponent will do anyway, so maybe it's best if you can't see what style of offense your opponent plays.
Is there a cap on the amount of formations or is it a straight play cap (ex 375 plays)
Is it 375 O and 375 D or just 375 total
If there is a cap on formations, is the goalline/special teams/hail mary part of that cap?
I'm guessing the ONLY thing the opponent might get is seeing what kind of offense they run at the loading screen, right? (Multiple, Pro, Spread, etc)
40 formations, between 370 and 377 plays depending on the base playbook you choose. All playbooks have Hail Mary, Special Teams and Goal Line. Some teams have different types of Goal Line, so that's why the max number of plays varies.
Beat me to it...
But will take this moment to poke oneback or gschwendt and remind them about my request if the bubble screen was in the Flexbone Trips sets?
Last edited by Salukifan; 07-06-2011 at 02:18 PM.
No. It shows the team's default style so if you use Navy, you'll see Option but then after that, they go in and select their playbook which could be Air Raid. After that, the READY pop-up covers the style & team ratings.
There is a cap of 40 formations. The goalline/special teams/hail mary cut into that cap.
Your offensive & defensive playbooks are completely separate so each has their own cap (40 formations, 375 plays).
They see that, but it's the team's default, not the playbook style you or your opponent choose.
Most people who are serious about the game are going to use a custom playbook, so even if you could see the default "style" label for the book I agree with the previous poster that it wouldn't necessarily mean anything. There really wasn't an advantage to seeing anything on the loading screen for '11 either, considering that by the time you're at the loading screen your own playbook is locked in anyway.
When my OD restarts for '12, I'm going to have anyone who uses a custom playbook post the formation names and number of plays per formation for the book. At least this way, users will know generally what kind of looks they might face, and it reflects a compromise between not knowing anything at all about an opponent's offense (which is completely unrealistic compared to real life), and knowing too much (like, knowing specific plays in the book, which is also somewhat unrealistic because IRL you'd know the plays that have been run in the past, but not ALL the plays in the book).
Yeah in one OD I'm in, they want everyone to post their Playbooks...it's a good idea.
Seems a bit heavy-handed to me, but to each their own. I think having people list their playbook style is enough.
Keep in mind, too, that people might tweak their playbook from week to week. I'm going to save one formation with about six plays to use as a sort of "wild card" that I change every week, just to keep my playbook fresh and my opponents on their toes
Yeah, as with any rule in an OD, it's important to be reasonable and use common sense. If a guy forgets to update the custom playbook thread when he adds some plays with Ace Slot Flex when he already has Ace Big and Ace Big Twins in his book, it shouldn't be a big deal that causes anyone to get their panties in a wad. But, if a guy has worked up an air raid book and then in the game he comes out with a shitload of Wishbone that was not disclosed beforehand, that's the b.s. you're trying to avoid.Seems a bit heavy-handed to me, but to each their own. I think having people list their playbook style is enough.
Keep in mind, too, that people might tweak their playbook from week to week. I'm going to save one formation with about six plays to use as a sort of "wild card" that I change every week, just to keep my playbook fresh and my opponents on their toes
Not sure about "heavy handed." In real life when you're scouting an opponent, you know every formation they've come out in, every play they've run (and tendencies based on every down/distance situation), and you've seen tape of your opponent actually running their plays in past games. None of this is contained in the video game (despite the availability of some of this information, a la the scouting reports in Madden), and it's one of the biggest gaps in "realism" in the NCAA Football series. This gap is particularly evident when you consider that in online dynasties you're supposed to be the coach, and one of a coach's top responsibilities is scouting your opponents. So, simply disclosing what formations and number of plays are in your book isn't intrusive or heavy handed, from that perspective. And, considering many people are going to spend hours cooking up their custom playbook, taking 5 minutes to jot down your formations and play counts doesn't take much work.
Last edited by jwallace0317; 07-06-2011 at 02:55 PM.
i agree with JDub... if the guys are serious about having fun and good competition they wont have a problem doing it... besides what better way to scout someone than to know their playbook/formations/# of plays to indicate their MO for the offensive side of the ball...
and... will show on the defensive side who is using a well built system instead of finding a couple of good lock down blitzes that can cause havok and running them the entire length of the dynasty...
just occured to me i could be repeating what JDub wrote above because i was lazy and didnt read his post... :sigh:
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You may know everything they've run in the past, however, teams are always adding/creating plays now and then for a certain team, to take advantage of issues with that team's defense. Or a team will never use a certain formation for half the season, then bring it out for a big game against their rival or something to throw them off a bit and bring out something that they didn't prepare for during practice. I think the thing I wouldn't agree with is forcing people to list every single formation in their playbook, as at that point, you may as well force them to list their entire playbook, play for play. You're not going to go up to another team in real life the week you play them and say "I'd like to have a list of every single formation in your playbook". Maybe listing the base formations, but not every single one.
Yeah, I think you're overstating things in a huge way by saying that listing all the formations in a book is equivalent to listing every play in the book. That doesn't even make sense. If I know that Ace Big is one of the looks you give on offense, how is that going to tell me what specific plays you've chosen to include in your playbook for that formation? I guess I could go into custom playbook and view all 70 possible plays you could run out of that formation, but how I could prepare a shut down defense for all 70 plays, and adequately do the same thing with the other formations? The sheer volume of possible plays makes it impossible to pinpoint which specific plays you will run out of a given formation.
I can only go from my experience coaching, but in 12 years as both a h.s. head coach and graduate assistant at 1-A, I could count on one hand the number of games where an opposing team came out in a new formation that we hadn't seen before on film. And, I think just about all those times it was the season opener. In contrast, and as you point out, what we did see were new PLAYS, which were not run in past games for obvious strategic reasons. Note, the plays were "new" in the sense that we had not seen the team run that play on film, but they were not "new" from the standpoint that we knew that kind of play existed.
What's funny is that a "disclose all your formations" is actually something we already have in '11. When I play an online ranked game and a guy uses a common book like Mississippi State, I know that book like the back of my hand, and so I know all the formations AND all the plays for each formation. Does that mean I have some kind of an unfair advantage? What I'm proposing with custom playbooks is actually LESS disclosure than when you learn the playbook a guy is using in NCAA 11.
Last edited by jwallace0317; 07-06-2011 at 03:51 PM.
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