it does seem rather dumb to spend a month pumping entrance animations and then say you wont see entrances head to head online. Online is trully head to to head so the guy should know he is coming to MY house. If he's an A.D.D. cheesing 12 year old, thats his problem. That said, online players are about 10% of their sales.
You can change the other teams jersey's in '11. But hearing coach mode and combat jerseys im pumped.
When it comes to online play, wouldn't you want the time you play online reduced as much as possible to reduce disconnections?
Another question, how many of you button through the entrances in NCAA 11? And why was this not brought up as an issue say in the wishlist tournament for NCAA 12? Because you couldn't see entrances online in NCAA 11?
the tunnel stuff becomes repetitive, although in a teambuilder game I would have loved the other guy to get a close up of my created team/ uni ! last years entrance could get repetitious but these new ones are freakin -Theatre-.Originally Posted by JBHuskers
of course , yeah, if they cant make online reliably smooth and you need to get in a game fast to not get disconnected, well....
Good point. I had assumed the reasoning for it not showing in Online Play was to reduce the time vulnerable to a disconnection, but we can ask next week about it. I think some other EA games have intros for online play but you can X through them.
where on this site is the "On the Spot" video posted ?
Right here.
It might have been the one thing dreads could have beaten out.
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Like I said, bitch if it's not there, and bitch if it is.This must be the new dreads at other places
The d-bags on the NHL forums complain because EA leaves the pregame in for EASHL and they have to "X" through it. Some people have nothing better to do than complain.
That's an incorrect assumption. Also,
I know for a fact that the leaderboards on '11 was way over 100,000 for PS3, and since the leaderboards only show the first 100,000, it's more than likely closer to 200,000. Considering the game sold about 670,000, the percentage that play online is closer to 30% or 40% - definitely not 10%. It would be extremely moronic to ignore 30% or more of your fan base.
I don't think it has anything to do with disconnections. It's P2P, so it's pretty well dependent upon the players' own personal connection.
For the record, I couldn't care less if shows player entrances or not. As far as I'm concerned, that's another casual feature aimed at making it more realistic for the people looking for a truly simulated experience. I'd watch it once and skip it, so I couldn't care less either way.
I would think or hope that you can change the opposing teams uniforms in NCAA12. You can in 2K11.
I also remember a time when so many people complained about atmosphere and entrances. So now we have them, and people could care less. They say they will skip them and they should just spend less time on them. If I was at EA, I would just take them out and go str8 to the coin flip. See how people respond to that.
Gameplay: Most....let me repeat.... MOST online ranked game players don't care about a sim gameplay experience. They care about their ranking online and that's it. So to spend time figuring out what someone can break and then wasting time and resources trying to fix it doesn't appeal to me as a buyer. Yes there are some plays that need to be addressed because they cover cpu ai flaws that effect realistic impressions of many plays in the game. But if someone is going to try and break the game, then I don't care what element they bring to the table for EA. This is the problem with the "East Wing Guys". They don't care about playing real football, so what they can do to the game is pointless in every facet. I want someone who plays realistically to do so, then tell EA what isn't working in a realistic environment. It's a complicated sports video game that's meant to function under the realistic rules of college football, so of course if you try and break it down to exploit it, it's going to happen. Here's my suggestion: If you don't like that the "east wingers" are playing unrealistic football, and you just can't possibly stand how much advantage they take of you because the cpu has a cpu flaw, DON'T PLAY THEM! If your goal is to have a realistic experience, get with people that are also looking for a realistic experience!!!!! Stop trying to fool yourself into thinking that the guys would want to play real football if they were "made to play" real football. It's just not going to happen. It's a lot of kids who know the point to winning football is scoring, so they do everything they can to find that one play that helps them score the most. But they don't take football seriously like we do, nor do they understand the intricacies of the sport, nor do they care about a coaching angle.
Presentation (custom entrances): I think that the custom entrances should be left off of ranked games. The people playing ranked games are not looking for a presentation based experience, period. However in OD I would really push that custom entrances should be available in user games because the experience that a player will be looking for is more dynasty and presentation oriented, with the recruiting, rankings, awards, bowl games AND yes, even game to game matters more, because you're playing at a leisurely pace with an end goal, as compared to Ranked games back to back to back to just play somebody. Also, it's not just a random opponent in OD. It's somebody that you're building a rivalry with over the course of several seasons and getting all fired up before the game as each team runs their tradition out onto the field is just another potential element of the build up and love-to-hate between you. For example I'm going to be Michigan and my friend is going to be Ohio St. In our current OD we have grown a rivalry through message posts and some great games (even though we're in separate conferences). Now next year when we get together, it would just be epic to go to his stadium and get all fired up through the tradition of the pre-game moment at his stadium, and then upset him. Also for those that never use a team outside of their OD, the potential to never see the traditions at certain schools because other users are controlling them is.
But I don't think that's a reason not to have them at all. I would hate for them to totally not spend time on it because I still see it in my non-user games. And it's still a part of the "total package" that I expect in an NCAA game. Stuff like the 3D crowd. I'm pumped up for that. It means little to the gameplay aspect, but my experience is going to be much more fulfilled.
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I'm an avid online player when I get the chance, which is a lot since i'm in college lol. For me, I love presentation, and great gameplay, ever since I started playing for real with NCAA 04, those always went hand in hand. Same for playbooks.
Madden 10 got this right, when it brought it's enhanced presentation, you could skip through it, as long as your opponent agreed to. There was a button at the top that showed when your opponent was ready, so I used the extra minute to watch the presentation, or get something to drink before the game. That, and Madden allowed saved depth charts, which NCAA needs to bring. So to answer your question, NCAA 12 needs to add that IMO, whether through patch or maybe for NCAA 13, cause Madden 11 stunted itself when they got rid of that. Madden on the PS2 had presentation online during ranked, and hardcore ranked, so it's not about the presentation being in an online game, it's about having the option to view it or not.
I'm gonna disagree with you a tiny bit here. Don't let the top 20-30 fool you. Like I stated, i'm a big online guy, and I was in Madden's Top 100 in Madden 10, and close on NCAA 10, and honestly, the majority of online guys do not cheese to tell you the truth. Yes, you may run into some idiots, but that happens in all online games. I've played about 200 online games between both of my gamertags, and I've played about 15-20 cheesers, a pretty low percentage. Bringing in the Top online guys however is crucial, cause that's where the flaws of the game are exploited an need to be fixed. Many sim communities criticize the Madden tournament scene, saying we don't know about football, just money plays and cheese, when in reality, guys like Sgibs and Shopmaster that represent people like me at the Madden CD can glitch, but know so much about football, the PS2 days, features we want back, and teaching EA how to manipulate the AI so that it can be eliminated helps make a better product IMO.Omg that was a trip! LOL'd the entire time. Ya'll need to chill. It's a game....Damn!
But back on discussion.
Gameplay: Most....let me repeat.... MOST online ranked game players don't care about a sim gameplay experience. They care about their ranking online and that's it. So to spend time figuring out what someone can break and then wasting time and resources trying to fix it doesn't appeal to me as a buyer. Yes there are some plays that need to be addressed because they cover cpu ai flaws that effect realistic impressions of many plays in the game. But if someone is going to try and break the game, then I don't care what element they bring to the table for EA. This is the problem with the "East Wing Guys". They don't care about playing real football, so what they can do to the game is pointless in every facet. I want someone who plays realistically to do so, then tell EA what isn't working in a realistic environment. It's a complicated sports video game that's meant to function under the realistic rules of college football, so of course if you try and break it down to exploit it, it's going to happen. Here's my suggestion: If you don't like that the "east wingers" are playing unrealistic football, and you just can't possibly stand how much advantage they take of you because the cpu has a cpu flaw, DON'T PLAY THEM! If your goal is to have a realistic experience, get with people that are also looking for a realistic experience!!!!! Stop trying to fool yourself into thinking that the guys would want to play real football if they were "made to play" real football. It's just not going to happen. It's a lot of kids who know the point to winning football is scoring, so they do everything they can to find that one play that helps them score the most. But they don't take football seriously like we do, nor do they understand the intricacies of the sport, nor do they care about a coaching angle.
Presentation (custom entrances): I think that the custom entrances should be left off of ranked games. The people playing ranked games are not looking for a presentation based experience, period. However in OD I would really push that custom entrances should be available in user games because the experience that a player will be looking for is more dynasty and presentation oriented, with the recruiting, rankings, awards, bowl games AND yes, even game to game matters more, because you're playing at a leisurely pace with an end goal, as compared to Ranked games back to back to back to just play somebody. Also, it's not just a random opponent in OD. It's somebody that you're building a rivalry with over the course of several seasons and getting all fired up before the game as each team runs their tradition out onto the field is just another potential element of the build up and love-to-hate between you. For example I'm going to be Michigan and my friend is going to be Ohio St. In our current OD we have grown a rivalry through message posts and some great games (even though we're in separate conferences). Now next year when we get together, it would just be epic to go to his stadium and get all fired up through the tradition of the pre-game moment at his stadium, and then upset him. Also for those that never use a team outside of their OD, the potential to never see the traditions at certain schools because other users are controlling them is
But I don't think that's a reason not to have them at all. I would hate for them to totally not spend time on it because I still see it in my non-user games. And it's still a part of the "total package" that I expect in an NCAA game. Stuff like the 3D crowd. I'm pumped up for that. It means little to the gameplay aspect, but my experience is going to be much more fulfilled.
I personally could care less about entrances, pregame/halftime/final highlight shows or any of that in an Online Setting. Yes those are great features for the people playing casually against the CPU or the people that love dynastys and I understand what it adds for them, but as a strictly online player I can guarantee that I would skip any of those scenes and so would all the others who play only online, because when you want to play ranked matches all you want to do is get in the game and finish it as fast as possible so that you can move on to the next game.
And BTW I play FIFA online a lot, they have pregame cutscenes that show every time you start a ranked match, they also have the option to skip them.. Guess what everybody skips them.
I wasn't sure how much we could say about Coach Mode, but since you said this then I'll agree with you. I actually got called for Delay of Game on my first play of Coach Mode because I didn't realize I had to snap the ball. My mistake was that I thought of it like NFL Head Coach 09 -- where you call the play, can make some (but not all) pre-snap adjustments, but have no control over the snap.
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I just feel like it's about having the option to skip, rather than not having it. Whichever a player chooses is their prerogative, but it's about making it accessible for the people who want it in.
Online ppl don't really care about that stuff. But since the time and resources is going into something not directly catering to their personal in game experience, they get all defensive and start throwing the blame ball around.
I don't believe that if you were GETTING a true sim experience as you claim to want, that you would be complaining about the ultra ai "exploits" that people are "continually taking advantage of" online. I also don't believe that if you were WANTING that true experience, that you would continue to play in a place that would have to "force" players to play more realistically. Now that I play in a league at TSO, I understand that a sim experience is about more than just playing a perfectly put together AI football game against another user. Its about respecting the game for what is fair and what is not based on the exploits of the game, pitting that against the physical rules of real life football and playing at a level that doesn't abuse that edge. Oh yeah, and still finding a way to win.
Could things be better? Yeah they could and I want EA to know how they could do that as much as anyone! I put in my 2cents all the time on things that would help the game and the series become closer to a real life game.
Am I gonna whine till my head falls off about the fact that I can't get a decent game of football with the "east wing guys" cause they exploit the game too much based on its ai flaws and therefore threaten to not buy the game until 'x, y and z' are fixed?:
No!!!
Point is, it's a video game so no matter how good the game gets, exploits will be available. Those that care only about wins will find a way to exploit the game to benefit them. Those that care about how the game is played will avoid that when it doesn't fit a real life situation. Point blank, period, end of story.
Getting all worked up over EA spending their time to please more than 50% of the buyers instead of spending time on your personal agenda with the game because you are are either unwilling or too lazy to find a crowd or group of players that you could enjoy the game with is in a phrase: idiotic and self absorbed. I am not saying any of us are that way, I'm just sayin' "don't be that guy".
For me, regardless of how great gameplay gets, it's not a true sim experience without presentation and the like that goes into dynasty, so I would be crushed if something like intros were removed. Before them, every time it went straight to the coin flip I got really annoyed at the missing ingredient to getting ready for the game. And I do watch them every time.
However thats not what most (if any) of the head to head guys play for. They play for stats.
Last edited by Jayrah; 05-15-2011 at 04:45 AM.
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