Yeah, looks like they not only have a few Wishbone Tight but also a few Maryland I plays.Originally Posted by razorback44
Yeah, looks like they not only have a few Wishbone Tight but also a few Maryland I plays.
I noticed this as well. I would assume do to the goaline base playbook requirements, a lot of guys will use Florida as the base. To get some diversity in the goaline package and go from there with the rest of the playbook.
I know I may toy around with that idea a bit.
For clarification, does a playbook consist of both offense and defense or will players have to select both their custom offensive and defensive books before games?
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Offensive & Defensive playbooks are separate entities. You select each independent of each other so you could use a default Southern Miss playbook but then use your custom defensive playbook.
Just a couple of clarification notes just received:
By the way, you cannot edit Goal Line, Special Teams or Hail Mary. The number of plays in defensive playbooks is also dependent upon the base playbook selected so it falls into the 377-370 range as well.
As well, the max number of formations will depend on the playbook. I don’t have the range numbers yet.
Okay just confirmed with my notes that the defensive limits for formations and plays is the same as it is on offense.
(and I see Tommy basically said the same)
Hadn't seen this question asked...
Since there are custom Custom Defensive Playbooks, does this possibly indicate that each team has its own "personal" defensive playbook? I don't mean team specific plays (although there are team specific offensive plays...), but more along the lines of each team has its own defensive identity as opposed to the generic this team is "4-3", this team is "3-4", this team is "4-2-5". It would be great to see teams have more of a multiple feel to them.
However, I'm assuming this is just a tool for us to create the defense we want to use. If I want to use 4-3 as a base, I can add 3-4, 4-2-5, 3-3-5, as I see fit. Is this correct?
You are correct... I don't think I'm overstepping my boundaries by saying that there are not team specific defensive playbooks. However, obviously if you know what type of playbook your real life team uses, you could obviously create it yourself.
One thing that i would like to see at some point is having to set a playbook in the preseason. This allows for every play in that book to be implemented up to a potential 100% effectiveness.
All other playbooks and plays can be used but with less effectiveness. practice would need to be done every week to either learn new formations and plays or maintain a high level of effectiveness in current ones.
A spread option team is not gonna be able to flip playbooks and run an Air Raid with an kind of precision to be affective without work in practice.
And the same concept could be applied to defense and scouting. Yes similar to the vip system. This would add more of the chess match.
picture bama with a set playbook from preseason but practicing formations that they do not use all season.
The scouting system list their three favorite formations and plays but since they have not used the plays they have been practicing they are up to the max 85% effectiveness for a non preseason formation/plays. Auburn comes into the Iron bowl thinking they are prepared, and Bama runs the new plays Auburn is not prepared for and catches them of guard and gouges the defense for big plays.
implementation could be awareness and play recognition hits for Auburn and increased execution and blocking/ route running awareness for Bama.
Now to clarify it should not be automatic that the plays are effective but if i have not run 5 wide all season i should have an element of surprise which would have to come as some type of impact on ratings. Now if Bama is playing Troy the talent gap should not allow even that deception to be very effective for Troy.
To be more specific on playbook game planing and practice. A playbook can have 40 formations but a game plan should have half of that with the first 22 most populated formations on off and and first 22 most populated formations on def and special teams set as the default game plan.
in real life teams dont come out ready to run the whole playbook at a high level every week. plays in your preseason playbook should go no lower than 85% effectiveness and non preseason plays should go no higher than 85%.
a whole other concept is better coaches could have bigger game plans. but thats another topic.
a practice menu where u could either practice your base playbook or a modified formation list. With one button click you could do the task without any input or you could go in and customize your practice how you wanted and practice new plays. Plays could have color coded frames to indicate a preseason base playbook play(green), plays you have practiced enough to run well 85%(blue), plays you practiced a little(amber) and plays your team has not ran or practiced at all(red).
if you do nothing, practice could be simmed just like recruiting. changing playbooks mid season should take four weeks with huge ratings hits, to get up to speed and should carry small awareness penalties for the rest of the season.
just what i want to see someday now that teams in ods will have wide open offense with all kind of formations and plays that real teams dont have time to install and run effectively from week to week. imagine having to know the audibles and hot reads for 40 formations and 370 plays every week while in college as a true freshmen qb, hb, or olineman, mlb, or safety, on the road at the swap or death valley in week three no less.
Last edited by smace767; 05-09-2011 at 09:01 PM.
I don't EVER want to HAVE to go to practice. I fool around with practice in the beginning of the season just to see what my new squad looks like but being required to practice every week with no "sim practice" option would be a turn-off for me.
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I'd be interested in knowing what percentage 400 plays is out of the total available plays in ncaa 12. Or just how many plays total there are. So you're pb will be 400 plays out of how many in other words. Makes a difference when talking about how diverse each pb can be if everyone set their pb to the maximum amount of plays.
From a earlier post by smace767.
I thought 40 was really high as well so i had the spread sheet open and i counted 209 offense formations. This includes all the different goaline formations accept goaline wishbone, which was not in my version of the spread sheet for some reason.
My concern was someone creating a situation where you would have to defend every formation in the game. With some new additions, 40 formations still will only be less than 20% of all available offensive formations.
Ok so I know I'm a little late to the party here so I'm probably not saying anything new or answering any questions that haven't already been addressed. My 2 cents:
-Custom playbooks are extremely well done. They are easy to navigate and use. The size of them is impressive, almost overwhelming when you first start out wondering how you are going to fill it all. Obviously it's not hard to fill them if you wanted to create a playbook with every formation and play style, but for me it almost seemed like I could add too many plays!It's definitely not too many, but it seems like a lot when creating it.
-I spent about an hour or so sitting with the lead designer of the feature and going over what his thoughts, concerns, and focuses were with the feature & was very impressed. He has a very solid grasp of what the communities wishes are for this feature and has tried incredibly hard to incorporate as much customization as possible.
-Once you select the base playbook you can add or remove plays as desired with a few exceptions that really aren't that big a deal. As others have stated, plays that are set as audibles will not be removed using the "remove all" button however you can work around this by changing the audibles to what you want them to be. This can be done within the CPB menu. Also, there are a minimum amount of plays allowed in the playbook at any given time so you cant take the playbook down to zero plays and start from there (some kind of technical reason involved with this). All this means is that you will want to set up a couple formations the way you want them & then remove the rest of the formations you do not want.
-One thing, I don't know if it has been addressed or not yet but, the base playbook you chose when creating a custom playbook will determine the minimum roster requirements for your team when using that playbook in dynasty mode. So if you dont want to have to keep X number of linebackers on your roster that using a 4-3 PB calls for, and you are creating a defensive playbook, you could start out from a 4-2-5 base defense and your position requirements will reflect that base playbook.
-After messing with the feature, I can see myself making several different offensive and defensive playbooks for different "gameplans" that I want to take into a game. For instance, I will have a base offense and a base defense but I will also have a "Power Run Defense" and a "spread" defense which will allow me to focus against different teams' personnel each week. A very cool possibility. I can see people, including myself, taking weeks after release just setting up their playbooks for the first time and then constantly tweaking them.
I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have as best as I can.
Last edited by Kwizzy; 05-09-2011 at 09:14 PM.
I asked this before somewhere here but I'm just going to reask it now that you guys can talk about it, and I am going to read through the comments already to see what has been said...
Does custom playbook mean it's like you choose a base playbook style and can only choose from plays already within that base playbook? i.e. Air Raid, Spread, Pro Style, Multiple, etc and so say I choose Air Raid as my base playbook can I only choose formations and then plays from Air Raid playbooks
OR
Can I choose Air Raid as my base playbook but then choose some some Pro Style formations and some Pistol Formations and plays?
I hope it's a total start from scratch custom playbook feature. Where you able to choose a finite number of formations and a finite number of total plays so if you want 80% of the total number of plays your allowed to be in Shotgun then you can choose more Shotgun Formations but if you want a playbook with all kinds of formations you'll just have less plays from each formation but overall more formations.
You choose either a base generic playbook or a team's playbook, and then you can add/remove from there.
I know everybody is going to want my awesome playbook setupso my quesiton is " Can people download other players playbooks"?
So for example Virginia Tech's playbook in NCAA Football 11 has a weird or different than normal Goalline formation.
What if I wanted that as my goalline formation? Is there an option to choose that or would I have to choose it as, and use up, one of my other allowed formations and plays?
I hope they think about letting you choose amongst the different goalline formations or just take out the mandatory goalline altogether. I'de totally choose this VT Goalline or Maryland I over the normal Goalline anyday but I would hate to have to have both in my playbook and not use the normal Goalline while wasting some spots for other formations/plays.
Seems like you should just be able to choose what Goalline-like formation you want, or none at all. Defeats the purpose of "custom playbook" Special Teams should be mandatory but goalline you should be able to choose amongst the different formations or opt to not have one.
Last edited by Cipher 8; 05-09-2011 at 09:29 PM.
i feel you. im not talking about actually running the plays. im talking about a button or two to push and a menu system. if you dont want to change playbooks or formations its automated by default just like recruiting can be.scouting would be a menu. once you go to play a week your team sims its default practice and loads the top three formations and plays of that weeks opponent that you can veiw during the playing of the game in a menu.
If you wanted to make changes then you need to go in the menu and change your gameplan before you go to advance or play the week.
So Kwizzy, I assume the base playbook for offense also determines your roster requirements?
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