I can see it being two different ways based on that playart... either the snap is early in the WRs jet motion and thus the TE clears out ahead of the WR or instead the TE shifts over to the other side before the WR starts his motion. I'll be curious to see how well it works and hopefully it has a play that plays off of it to present the same look.
A pre...pre shift would be cool, but I still think it's just a line showing the TE from a normal look in that formation to where he IS. If it IS a double motion, I hope that's an option to do in any play. Because double motions are very often used in college football.Originally Posted by gschwendt
Shotgun Twin TE Slot PA Slide – This is a play action boot pass that has two deep crossing receivers and one receiver, usually a TE, who slides under the line of scrimmage and in the flat. Oregon likes to use this play once they get near their opponent’s red zone. They’re usually successful at getting the ball to one of the crossing receivers for a big play.
Ack... These types of plays are so bad... Again, comes down to the fact that the defense almost NEVER falls for the fake, so, again, what's the point of using PA to begin with?
As is a common theme in this thread, the play will be most welcomed (due mostly to the auto-motion) if there is a complimentary run play. Looks good, without knowing if there's a run off of this.
Yeah I'm liking this play....the run off is probably a HB Sprint or something to that effect.
Yeah, but as bad as the Playaction fake was in NCAA11, I imagine they'll make sure that it's at least improved.
this doesnt feel like a new play. is there a play similar to this, only with a flanker wr running a comeback route instead of the second te?
In addition, I've had success, even in 11, with PA Boots. So, I'm optimistic for this play regardless.
I'm not certain there is, but doesn't different personnel (not to mention different route combinations) automatically make it a new play?
technically yes. but it just seems like i've seen 90% of this play before, as its only swapping out a wr for the motioned te. other than that, the 2 receivers on the one side run the exact same routes. oh well. i'll never use it, so why bitch about it?I'm not certain there is, but doesn't different personnel (not to mention different route combinations) automatically make it a new play?
It's exactly the same as the Shotgun Wing TE setup that Florida, Mississippi State, and someone else use where the TE that's lined up like that goes in motion for the two plays that they have for that (some shitty run and a PA pass that's asking to get killed). It's basically the exact same setup (TE leaks back across the formation and the WR on the weak side runs the crossing route with the WR on the strong side runs a comeback route or something).
But, it is technically a new play because that formation (Shotgun Twin TE) hasn't had that type of play action setup yet with the TE in motion.
My issue with it all is this: Give me more than two freakin' plays that look like that. No team is only going to run two plays that have that type of motion. Incorporate it into a BUNCH of the plays from that formation: HB Pitch to the strong side, HB counter to the strong side (so that the TE can motion and come back across and block with the LG pulling out for the block as well), some type of passing play to take advantage of that TE being against a LB in the flats without there being any PA, HB Pitch to the weak side with the motioned TE "lead" blocking, etc. Just give me more than TWO plays from that look. PLEASE!
So I am extrememly late in seeing this, but what I found in my OD was that if you get a pure run blocking O-lineman then your running game will improve dramatically. Now that downside of course is they cant do anything else, so you will have to adjust our line accordingly. I had a beast of an run blocking left tackle, with a really high impact blocking, every game that season both my running back and my QB had over 100 yards just running behind him most of the game.
Like the look of the new play, Hoping that formation (and play) gets added to Nebraska's playbook this year because that's the formation they use as a wildcat formation.
I absolutely agree that when incorporating ANY automotion they should try to incorporate as many plays as possible that use the same motion. Mors you are 100% spot on about that.
I hope the blocking for PA holds up this time, its been hit or miss with the blocking for playaction
EXACTLY! I have an EASY fix to this however for EA to implement, similar to a create a play option, that will make things more exciting from a playcallers perspective, and freshen up the playcalling altogether, even without create a play. *To incorporate a "built in automotion" option into the playcall screen system on standard, non automotion plays*. This would allow you, the playcalling coach, to either:
(a) take any of your players and give them a specific motion action, kind of a create your own motion option OR:
(b) It can be limited to the already built in playbook motions so it's only in YOUR offensive system, but allow the user to take advantage of the automotion feature by putting it on any play in that formation if he so chooses. So basically an on/off switch for that specific motion in any play you desire within the formation.
The other, maybe even EASIER option (because I'm not sure how "easy" an on/off switch is), is to take 3 or 4 or 5 different plays from every formation with one of these auto motion plays and either:
(c) simply incorporate the same automotion into the play as is OR:
(d) create "shadow" plays with the automotion built into one of them, and not built in to the other.
The next important step would to be randomly assigning that within the playcall system of the cpu, so that they get a boost from that as well. Which is why C or D might be more viable immediately.
And since we're talking about the play in general: Based on this new play I am going to add another wishlist type item that would be EASY to implement.
First, here is why: This particular PA play can be a quick-hit-type play or a medial developing play in Oregon's IRL set, but will take forever to execute in the game with the current PA system. There are a million and one PA's in this game that are the same way in all playbooks.
And now, here is how: Outside of goal line situations, there are a lot of plays IRL that have a hard mesh point with the rb and most of them include the rb as a dump route in front of the LBs, a safety valve, or decoy. However, most of the plays where the rb will become a blocker or run a normal route or flat route have a 'soft' or 'sugar' action, where the qb kind of puts the ball or a hand out but doesn't really come close to the mesh point, therefore giving him time to survey the field and get set quickly. This sugar action would be a perfect and important 'addition' for just this type of PA play we are seeing, especially in a blitz situation. EA could even call it "Sugar Action" or SA as opposed to PA to give the playcaller an idea of which one he is seeing and running.
I would really like to see this implemented asap, as it is an easy fix imo. The animation and path of the qb (maybe a step or step and 1/2 difference, just not quite so close to the rb) is all that would need to be addressed. I am sad we didn't think of this earlier, as it would be a HUGE, minor addition, that would really help out the PA game. The qb would still complete the action, but there would be less time involved and give an extra 1/2 second to second, to actually get a pass off cleanly.
Last edited by Jayrah; 03-21-2011 at 10:43 AM.
This year it was broken. I know for a fact that we have relayed this fact to the devs for 12. I expect it to be better this year.
Always welcome more/new plays.
#1 There needs to be a "linked" play to each of these that are different. For this PA pass there needs to be a run play off of it.
#2 The new plays will mean nothing if they don't work due to gameplay/AI. I don't think I have called many PA passes due to the poor pass coverage. It drives me nuts when I call one and I get sacked before I can even fake hand the ball off. Yet I see the CPU pull of PA passes like Peyton Manning.
not sure if it was mentioned, but for the Weak I Normal Y Over Fly Sweep play, I'm pretty sure the TE will line up on the left side(FB side) from the beginning. the blocking line is just there to show you where he would normally be in that formation. I want to say I've seen it done like that before in other plays in NCAA 11 and before.
that is how I think it'll be anyway, based on the play description.
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