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    What you all fail to realize is that not every single athlete is on a full scholarship. The majority are on partial scholarships or are "recruited walk-ons". Sterling Shepard from OU is an example of a "recruited walk-on". There is also the OU rb from a couple years ago, can't remember his name right now, who was the starting rb and was a true walk-on to the team. He didn't receive a scholarship until Coach Stoops did the right thing and gave him one after he suffered a season ending broken leg so his medical bills would be paid.

    This is more than just trying to get paid. One of Northwestern football team's main points is proper medical care. Depending on your scholarship level, any out of facility treatment, such as surgery, may come out of the athlete's own pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Escobar View Post
    This is more than just trying to get paid. One of Northwestern football team's main points is proper medical care. Depending on your scholarship level, any out of facility treatment, such as surgery, may come out of the athlete's own pocket.
    That may be of some concern to a segment of student-athletes, but in reading about this case I've learned that most/many (I forget exact verbage) schools insist (require?) players to have their own health insurance. Plus, doesn't the ACA keep individuals up to age 26 under their parents plan? (Only Brandon Weeden and Chris Weinke would be excluded.)

    Have the players made a push to schools and conferences about player safety, such as concussions, etc.? The power lies more with them than the NCAA. I think some of the outlying voices (sports talk radio/TV, anti-NCAA lynch mob, anti-college video gamers, Jay Bilas, etc.) have been harping on players getting 'their value/fair share/piece of the pie' so long, that any action reeks of players looking simply to get paid and nothing more. If health & safety is their biggest (or major) concern, they need a clearer or different voice to speak up because that is not the impression coming across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Escobar View Post
    What you all fail to realize is that not every single athlete is on a full scholarship. The majority are on partial scholarships or are "recruited walk-ons". Sterling Shepard from OU is an example of a "recruited walk-on". There is also the OU rb from a couple years ago, can't remember his name right now, who was the starting rb and was a true walk-on to the team. He didn't receive a scholarship until Coach Stoops did the right thing and gave him one after he suffered a season ending broken leg so his medical bills would be paid.

    This is more than just trying to get paid. One of Northwestern football team's main points is proper medical care. Depending on your scholarship level, any out of facility treatment, such as surgery, may come out of the athlete's own pocket.
    Actually you fail to realize that the student is compensated to some degree with assistance toward the cost of an education. They are making a choice to play as opposed to getting a paying job. No, this is just more of the entitlement mentality.

    Quote Originally Posted by cdj View Post
    That may be of some concern to a segment of student-athletes, but in reading about this case I've learned that most/many (I forget exact verbage) schools insist (require?) players to have their own health insurance. Plus, doesn't the ACA keep individuals up to age 26 under their parents plan? (Only Brandon Weeden and Chris Weinke would be excluded.)

    Have the players made a push to schools and conferences about player safety, such as concussions, etc.? The power lies more with them than the NCAA. I think some of the outlying voices (sports talk radio/TV, anti-NCAA lynch mob, anti-college video gamers, Jay Bilas, etc.) have been harping on players getting 'their value/fair share/piece of the pie' so long, that any action reeks of players looking simply to get paid and nothing more. If health & safety is their biggest (or major) concern, they need a clearer or different voice to speak up because that is not the impression coming across.
    +1
    Player knows and excepts the risks associated with playing any sport, they just want the $$$

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCClassof93 View Post
    Player knows and excepts the risks associated with playing any sport, they just want the $$$
    Excepts???


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    Quote Originally Posted by cdj View Post
    That may be of some concern to a segment of student-athletes, but in reading about this case I've learned that most/many (I forget exact verbage) schools insist (require?) players to have their own health insurance. Plus, doesn't the ACA keep individuals up to age 26 under their parents plan?
    From my experience, OU required me to have health insurance because I was a true walk-on to the track team. The rules somewhat vary from sport to sport. There were people I know who walked on to the football team who did not have health insurance and were not required to have it (maybe because they weren't going to actually see the field, just be scout team).

    That is true about kids being on their parents health insurance plan until they are 26, but there are numerous kids who's parents did not have health insurance. I know for sure that there were a few of my teammates who's families did not have any kind of health insurance whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCClassof93 View Post
    Actually you fail to realize that the student is compensated to some degree with assistance toward the cost of an education. They are making a choice to play as opposed to getting a paying job. No, this is just more of the entitlement mentality.
    So you think it is ok to tell a kid he cannot get a job to support himself just because the school gives him a couple hundred dollars a semester just to pay for his books? How is he supposed to buy food on the weekends or after 7pm at night on weekdays when the athletics cafeteria is closed. How is he supposed to pay for rent when the school does not give him enough money to cover that, and his family does not have enough money to help him?

    Also scholarships are not on a 4-year or yearly basis. They are on a semester to semester basis. So you can be fine one semester, then the next your scholarship money is reduced because the coach wants to spend it elsewhere even though your performance has not diminished. Now what are you going to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerfan View Post
    Excepts???

    UGH

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    none of this matters..all these dumb kids are doing is making it harder for not so bright kids to get scholarships in the future...you cant pay that many kids a glorified allowance..and that's all they would get anyway.. Schools just need to pay he medical bills and they need to drop the majority of ncaa foolish rules or every team / school will just be a bunch of ivy league scrubs with no true baller talent ...at least interviews wont sound so dumb after games though.

    its not the schools problem...they need to go after the networks and any time a game is televised the networks can give every player on the team a couple hundred bucks

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    's current QB opposes union movement stating he has been "treated far better than I deserve" at

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/college-football/story/_/id/10756332/northwestern-wildcats-qb-trevor-siemian-criticizes-former-qb-kain-colter-union-push


    I'd crack up if after all this hoopla the union didn't have the votes. Maybe the football players are smarter than they appear and realize unionization is NOTHING other than having to pay someone money to pretend to represent you thus just taking your money for nothing you couldn't otherwise get from your "employer".

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