I can reassure you, it's happening. I just had a 3* OLB recruit who had normal pitch information (i.e., 1-Most, 2-Very Highs, etc.) during a standard phone call. Then, I had set up a visit for week #14 (a bye week for me). When I went to set his activities for the upcoming visit, 4 categories moved up to "Most". I then went to look at the pitch information after everything was done and it was updated with the 4-"Most" categories as well.
Oh, I believe you that it's happening. What I would have to test is if I'm right that it can only happen to the Commish.
If so, that'd be something to make sure the commissioners (at least commissioners that you know wouldn't cheat) are aware of.
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Anyone ever had a 0-point scholarship offer? I just had one. I don't believe I had previously offered him (otherwise that would be a good thing), and add in the fact that he has me listed as #3 on his list.
he really must not want to go to your school.Originally Posted by gschwendt
I don't believe I've seen that before.
I've seen it happen before. Might as well stop wasting your time with him. He's going to commit somewhere else.he really must not want to go to your school.
I don't believe I've seen that before.
That happens when you offer a guy, remove him from your board (taking the offer away), add him to your board again, and offer again. It's to keep people from doing this over and over to gain points.
I believe it can also happen when you're outside a player's Top X. When I got a 0-point scholarship offer, I was #7 or so and he was in Top 3 or Top 5. Or something like that.
He said something along the lines of "Let's be honest coach, I'm going somewhere else".
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I saw a 0 point offer once before and I was -1 behind and #2. It was a 4* OT from Arizona and wanted to go to Arizona St. For some stupid reason Arizona St. hadn't offered the kid yet but they were #1 the entire time. In fact, he was still on the board through the offseason only because Arizona St. hadn't offered. I kept going for him since I had points to spare. I had initially given up on him but re-added him in the offseason and when I offered him he just flat out said no. The 0 showed up in red I think.
One thing I would like to see added next year is the ability to choose your Sway option. It would be nice to try to sway a topic up OR down. If a kid loves staying close to home I would like to be able to sway that down and tell him it's good to leave home and come to Michigan!
I don't know why they removed it in the first place.
Am I nuts, or do you have the option to sway a recruit when say Proximity is High and your school is a D+?
Yeah, but that's still only swaying it up. From my experience, the more interest the recruit has in that patch, the smaller the fluctuation in points. For example, if you are D+ and the recruit is Most, then you might have a 45-50 point window whereas if you are an A+ and the recruit is Low, you might have a 30-70 window (amounts/windows are guesstimates). So in that sense, you want the recruits as interested in a pitch as possible.
I guess I've never seen value in wasting time on that. So, what you're saying is that if I am a D+ and I sway a High, he will become a Very High if I am successful?
Correct.
Wow, that blows.
Yeah, that's foolish, and weird. In previous years, you could sway a pitch up or down, and it would do it automatically based on where your rating matched up with the prospect's. So a B+, which matches a High, would sway up if it was a Above Average (AA -> High), or down if it was a Very High that could be swayed. It makes no sense that a coach would say "Hey, I have a horrible rating in this pitch ... I think it should be more important to you".
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I tried that once. I was far away from some kid and tried to sway a pitch where a recruit said location was important. It swayed it up! I never tried it again unless swaying up was good to me.
I had a feeling that was going to be the case this year, since it says "Sway the pitch (chance to raise the point score)" or something along those lines. And higher score = higher importance, so I've avoided that like the plague.
I suppose if a C+ is your highest pitch, you'd still want to make it more important, but ... yeah.
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Through 7 or 8 weeks I'm #24 in the country on Heisman. I do think I will be better next year just knowing how hard it is and I'll allocate my resources better. I do have two 5* kids but only one 4* and 3-4 3* kids. The lack of total commits is hurting my rank as is the lack of 4*.
I just lost one recruit and it pissed me off. I took him for granted on one week and I lost him. He was a 4* SS (#8 in the country at SS) and I was leading by over 600 points a few weeks ago. So I only spent 40 minutes on him that week and WVU brought him in for a visit and bam ... They are only 20 or 40 points behind me. I worked him the full 60 minutes the rest of the way, always staying ahead of WVU who was now a -1 and then I lost him this past week. Freaking sucked! I like it when I do that to the cpu but not the other way around.
The points on Heisman don't make a lot of sense to me. If I back off a guy I don't fall that much further behind each week. But if I go hard after him I don't gain much either. It's almost like whatever points are earned are only 50% of the equation or less. Not sure but the results I'm seeing are not easy to explain.
Last edited by Rudy; 09-12-2010 at 06:27 PM.
Rudy, I don't have hard numbers, but I agree with you. I had a guy come in for a visit, got nearly 500 points in the call, and yet at the end of the week my lead had shrunk from around 100 to 1. I think the root cause there was the abstract high end limit to how many points a team can gain ... I had filled his bar, and should have signed him, but my opponents were apparently close enough to make him reconsider.
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