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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHCross View Post
    I didn't see the presser, so excuse me if they mentioned something, but I'd be very surprised to see a headset included.
    IGN claiming:

    Each system will ship a "Mono Headset" for cross-game chat and other social features. (Buried in post 190)

    With Sony heavily touting the social aspects of the PS4, they almost have to include one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHCross View Post
    I didn't see the presser, so excuse me if they mentioned something, but I'd be very surprised to see a headset included.
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    Link constantly updating, but here are some specs from IGN:
    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/..._medium=social

    Sony has confirmed that the PlayStation 4 will be powered by a custom 8-core AMD "Jaguar" x86-64 with integrated graphics APU and "next-generation" AMD Radeon graphics processor capable of driving 1.84 teraflops. As detailed at the event, it will come paired with 8GB of dedicated GDDR5 memory, making it competitive with most gaming-focused PCs on the market. As expected, the system will ship with a Blu-ray drive, built-in 80.211 b/g/n Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 2.1, as well as HDMI, Analog-AV, and optical digital output. Sony is giving I/O options a boost with the inclusion of USB 3.0 ports and a mysteriously vague "AUX" port. Each system will ship a "Mono Headset" for cross-game chat and other social features.
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    That sounds like the old Playstation 2 official headset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHCross View Post
    I didn't see the presser, so excuse me if they mentioned something, but I'd be very surprised to see a headset included.
    Not a chance. MPAA would tie that up in court for years. And Sony, probably more than anyone, knows it.
    From the IGN article:

    "Each system will ship a "Mono Headset" for cross-game chat and other social features."

    Well what is to stop a gaming company (EA) from suing in Sony in court for allowing others access to its games w/o purchasing it 1st? Now the MPAA might very well do that but I don't see it as any different (legally) from people using a technology such as Skype/video conferencing to do the same thing. Now will Sony market it as such? No but it would be interesting to see and why would Sony stop people from doing that to its OWN pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLW View Post
    Well what is to stop a gaming company (EA) from suing in Sony in court for allowing others access to its games w/o purchasing it 1st?
    I'm expecting that the feature is going to be an opt-in and not every game will be required to support it. Also, I imagine the answer to that question is along the same lines as "what's to stop a gaming company from suing Hauppauge for allowing others to share footage from its games w/o purchasing it?"

    I'd also contend, personally, that sharing the video from a game is not the same as experiencing or playing a game. Sharing audio or video from a MP3 or video is the entirety of the experience.
    Quote Originally Posted by CLW View Post
    Now the MPAA might very well do that but I don't see it as any different (legally) from people using a technology such as Skype/video conferencing to do the same thing.
    I'm pretty sure the MPAA would argue that's illegal. It's just not widespread enough to warrant going after.
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    Now will Sony market it as such? No but it would be interesting to see and why would Sony stop people from doing that to its OWN pictures.
    And there's the rub. If it's marketed, it would be tied up in court. Maybe not if it slips past.

    Sony Pictures is also not SCE. I would imagine even those two would struggle to see eye to eye on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHCross View Post
    I'm expecting that the feature is going to be an opt-in and not every game will be required to support it. Also, I imagine the answer to that question is along the same lines as "what's to stop a gaming company from suing Hauppauge for allowing others to share footage from its games w/o purchasing it?"

    I'd also contend, personally, that sharing the video from a game is not the same as experiencing or playing a game. Sharing audio or video from a MP3 or video is the entirety of the experience.
    I'm pretty sure the MPAA would argue that's illegal. It's just not widespread enough to warrant going after.
    And there's the rub. If it's marketed, it would be tied up in court. Maybe not if it slips past.

    Sony Pictures is also not SCE. I would imagine even those two would struggle to see eye to eye on that.
    Well we don't know all the details but they mentioned that this "spectate" experience actually ALLOWS your friend to jump in and play YOUR game so it's the "entirety of the experience".

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    Triggers don't look that different to me but maybe 360 people see a difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLW View Post
    Well we don't know all the details but they mentioned that this "spectate" experience actually ALLOWS your friend to jump in and play YOUR game so it's the "entirety of the experience".
    Yeah ... I'm hesitating to believe that one. Again, probably an opt-in, if it's even half of what it claims.
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    Lol'd at this.

    @KyleOrl How ridiculous is the PS4 hype? A video that shows LITERALLY NOTHING has been watched 7 million times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CLW View Post
    Triggers don't look that different to me but maybe 360 people see a difference?
    It's the small lip at the bottom... on the PS3, they continue to curve inwards (convex) where as on the PS4 they're concave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLW View Post
    Triggers don't look that different to me but maybe 360 people see a difference?
    I think the 2s look small/easily missed. I had the after-market triggers on my PS3 controllers and can't play without them. I hope there is something comparable here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gschwendt View Post
    It's the small lip at the bottom... on the PS3, they continue to curve inwards (convex) where as on the PS4 they're concave.
    LOL o.k. and that makes a difference b/c it helps keep your fingers from slipping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLW View Post
    LOL o.k. and that makes a difference b/c it helps keep your fingers from slipping?
    Yeah, the $5 clip-on attachment makes all the difference on the ps3. I'd like more of a lip but it is an improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLW View Post
    LOL o.k. and that makes a difference b/c it helps keep your fingers from slipping?
    Basically. Others just prefer the feel. But, for me, the big difference is slipping. I think the convex trigger is a more natural feel, but I have had my finger slip off during use, especially when I'm having to hold it for some function to work. Never had that problem on the 360.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdj View Post
    To-do list for the weekend: Find out where all of those companies are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdj View Post
    Interesting that Epic Games isn't on that list. I kind of thought something was up once a bunch of high profile developers started leaving Epic Games, but I wonder if Microsoft is in the process of buying them out. It would be smart, a lot of PS3 games are made using the Unreal Engine, and that would solidify Gears as a permanent 360 exclusive. Interesting.

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    More on the new camera:

    To go with the new PS4 controller, Sony also made brief mention tonight of a new camera that will also be released with the system. A revamped and improved version of Sony's camera tech, it'll serve as both a regular camera (for video purposes) while also tracking the movement of the new PS4 pad via its "light bar".

    The big feature is the new "Share" button, which, Sony says, will allow gamers to capture and broadcast their gameplay in real-time to their friends through services such as uStream. "Share" also will allow gamers to upload their video performances to Facebook.

    The PlayStation Eye camera also is getting an upgrade with the PS4. The "PlayStation 4 Eye" "incorporates two high-sensitive cameras that have wide-angle lenses with 85-degree diagonal angle views," according to a Sony news release. The augmented camera "enables PlayStation 4 Eye to cut out the image of player from background, or to grasp players position in front and behind,' says Sony. "In addition, users will be able to login to their PS4 with face recognition and are capable of using their own body movements or voices to enjoy games more intuitively."

    The New PlayStation Eye will be able to detect the color on the DualShock 4 Light Bar "to judge the positions of multiple players, and set characters in the same positions or let a character talk to a particular player, enabling players to enjoy games in new way."

    Additionally, the "DualShock 4" will feature a built-in speaker and headphone jack, offering stereo sound alongside multiplayer chat.







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    Why no PS4 at the PS4 reveal?

    Well, that was weird. We got a console reveal without Sony actually revealing the console. It's left a lot of people confused, maybe even concerned, so given the chance we had to ask: where was the PS4?

    "Why do you care?" jokes Shuhei Yoshida, president of Sony's Worldwide Studios.

    Pressed as to what we should be reading into when we get a console reveal without the reveal of the console itself, Yoshida tells Kotaku "It was almost the other way around. When we planned for this event, obviously we discussed what we should show and talk about."

    "As far as the DualShock 4 is concerned we wanted to do the live demo. And we were like, yeah, we have to show the controller, because it's awkward not to show the controller when someone is doing a demo. And also the feature that the DualShock 4 has, the share button, is a very key idea behind the design of the PS4... We really wanted to explain what we've done with the DualShock 4, but as far as the system itself we have to keep something new for later. Otherwise you'd get bored."



    I would guess the final design is not set in stone. Some speculate Sony may be hiding the fact there is no optical drive, but I doubt that is the case.

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