Powerhouse OD - General Discussion Thread

[JeffHCross]

So, it looks like the changes I tried to make before quitting the dynasty didn't take effect (namely putting Trickett at QB, changing the HB and changing the playbook). So I'm guessing that what I should have done was make the changes, let the week roll over to the next week, and then quit. I'm guessing that, since I quit, the dynasty discarded any changes for the week, and reverted back to the beginning of the week status for FSU. Would make sense if you had a game result and then quit, but in this case it's a little bothersome.

Just posting this in case anyone else leaves the group at some point.

[nykia31]

ND-MEEECHIGAN

[psuexv]

Are we allowed to line a TE up as the fullback like many teams do now? I'm not sure if it's a package substitution is why I ask. If we are allowed or it is a package substitution, are we allowed to motion them out of the backfield into a route?

[gschwendt]

Are we allowed to line a TE up as the fullback like many teams do now? I'm not sure if it's a package substitution is why I ask. If we are allowed or it is a package substitution, are we allowed to motion them out of the backfield into a route?

I wouldn't have a problem if you were putting one back there to block but if you're going to motion him out and throw to him somewhat often then I would want to get more specifics.

[texacotea]

I forgot to redshirt my guys.

[psuexv]

I wouldn't have a problem if you were putting one back there to block but if you're going to motion him out and throw to him somewhat often then I would want to get more specifics.

Yes that is what I was wondering, about throwing to him. We are seeing more and more of it in real football and I have some decent depth at TE I wanted to see how I can get them on the field. Obviously I know we can't completely duplicate real life because of limitations with AI but wanted to ask.

I'm back and forth with it honestly. To me it's not really a mismatch since LBs are typically covering TEs anyway and that's who usually covers the FB. But, a lot of people will disregard the fullback as well.

[psuexv]

I forgot to redshirt my guys.

Probably for the better since we all lost a bunch that we redshirted last year.

[Oneback]

Yes that is what I was wondering, about throwing to him. We are seeing more and more of it in real football and I have some decent depth at TE I wanted to see how I can get them on the field. Obviously I know we can't completely duplicate real life because of limitations with AI but wanted to ask.

I'm back and forth with it honestly. To me it's not really a mismatch since LBs are typically covering TEs anyway and that's who usually covers the FB. But, a lot of people will disregard the fullback as well.

I recruit the 6'1'' 220 lb TE's to play FB, so no I wouldn't have a problem with it. A TE in the backfield is a staple of the one back offense.

[Oneback]

Yes that is what I was wondering, about throwing to him. We are seeing more and more of it in real football and I have some decent depth at TE I wanted to see how I can get them on the field. Obviously I know we can't completely duplicate real life because of limitations with AI but wanted to ask.

I'm back and forth with it honestly. To me it's not really a mismatch since LBs are typically covering TEs anyway and that's who usually covers the FB. But, a lot of people will disregard the fullback as well.

I recruit the 6'1'' 220 lb TE's to play FB, so no I wouldn't have a problem with it. A TE in the backfield is a staple of the one back offense.

[psusnoop]

I recruited 2 FB's, one for blocking and the other with slightly worse blocking and better Recieving skills. When I took over Oregon they had a great H-Back that I didn't use as well as I could have.

No issues with me on you using a TE and getting him involved.

[Kingpin32]

Due to unforseen circumstances, I'm gonna have to drop out for the time being.

[JeffHCross]

I recruit the 6'1'' 220 lb TE's to play FB

I recruited ~three in year 1 Ended up moving one of my HBs there because he was too slow to play HB.

[gschwendt]

An issue occurred during mine & psuexv's game tonight and I thought I'd throw it out to everyone to discuss. I talked it over with Oneback and he agreed it might be good to hear everyone weigh-in.

To set it up... you'll notice at the start that as my defense comes out, they're not properly aligned. I always turn on Base Align as soon as the offense breaks the huddle. I then check the offense's alignment and then determine whether to keep Base Align on or off. In this particular case, you'll see that I turn it off only to see my SS2 run all the way across the field (dumb for him to have the farthest WR). However, before he can get there, the ball is snapped and he's way out of position allowing the easy bomb.




Obviously the blame falls on EA completely due to their alignment issues but I also wanted to get everyone's take on allowing the defense to get set. I'm not asking for a long time or anything but due to the disastrous alignment issues, at least let him get set over the offensive player he's covering.

I'd love to hear everyone else's opinions on the matter.

[Oneback]

I'd have to agree with G on this one. If it weren't for the horrible job of alignment programming this wouldn't be an issue however we've got to deal with the card that's dealt - I'm open to not snapping the ball unless all defenders are set or just waiting 5 seconds from the time you line up to snap the ball. Now obviously in two-minute come from behind situations this would be out the window, the defense at that point should know you're 100% pass and should call their defense accordingly (nickle, dime, quarter, etc don't have as many alignment issues). But in normal game situations we should make it fair for both sides, heck the offense already has a huge advantage in this game.

[psusnoop]

Knowing how poor the alignment is in certain formations if I've seen a player coming across the formation then I'll wait to snap the ball. If I see that a team is caught with their pants down and they are calling an audible and the whole team is moving around then I feel that that isn't an alignment issue that is a play calling issue from the user.

And to be fair, once I'm set on offense I don't just wait for a team to make 3-5 hot routes on defense. I'll read the defense and then run my play more times then not.

[psuexv]

I completely agree with you Tommy and since I've played you in multiple multiple games I know you always are moving players around and we can go back and review the tapes since you do record anything and I always let you set. Even when I was running the hurry up before the end of the 1st half.

In this particular situation I can honestly say that I had no intention of snapping the ball before that guy was ready. I saw you're guys move over there when I pulled out on my coach cam and didn't notice the guy running out underneath. My plan was to go the TE on the left of the formation and was more focused on what was going on over there and where you were moving your MLB. On the snap you can see that my TE is jumped immediately and when I looked right Lee was running down the field so I threw it. That's why when you called me BUSH LEAGUE my immediate response to you was WHY? and when you responded with didn't even let him set that is why I paused because I had no idea what you were talking about.

Things happen, you won the game move on. I can see if this was a common occurrence but it happened one time in the countless games that we've played.

You don't hear me bitching about the shady way that you punt and that happens all the time. Or the fact that to try and defend it I tried to go with a 3 deep man so I had some chance at fielding a punt only to call for a fair catch, have the ball land right in front of my guy hit his leg and have you recover inside the 20.

[gschwendt]

I didn't start this thread to start an argument. I honestly didn't know if you did it on purpose or what... but for all I knew it there was intent there since the guy clearly had to run all the way across the field, through the middle of the field. That's the only way I could read it.

As far as my punting, NO ONE has ever called me out on it... I've waited and waited but no one has ever said one thing about it. In fact, those that I've asked have just essentially said that there is no problem with it. Added, there are more ways to defend it this year and people have started using that. Like you tried, snoop successfully went to a 3 Deep to spread the coverage. The problem is that you wanted to manually recover it and when you did you manually took a step backwards allowing the ball to hit your feet. Added... that was an extremely basic punt, punted right at the middle of the field knowing that if you did catch it, you wouldn't have any blocking setup.

Another option would be to go basic punt return and then manually move your return guy over to where the ball is headed, then switching off so that the CPU recovers it.

If everyone has a problem with my punting, I'll gladly stop. Like I said, no one has ever said one cross word about it so I just kept doing it.

[psuexv]

Well from text last night and this thread I definitely took it as a personal attack on me. And obviously I took complete offense to it since it was a one time occurrence after we've played in quite a number of games together.

As far as the punting whatever... to me it's cheesy since no person in real life would ever punt that way. Yes I understand that this is ultimately a problem with EA and the game since punting is terrible and you can't down anything.

[gschwendt]

Well from text last night and this thread I definitely took it as a personal attack on me. And obviously I took complete offense to it since it was a one time occurrence after we've played in quite a number of games together.

I'll admit, I was mad when I sent that text in the moment. As I said, it was the only way I knew to take it from everything I was seeing on my end.

As far as the punting whatever... to me it's cheesy since no person in real life would ever punt that way. Yes I understand that this is ultimately a problem with EA and the game since punting is terrible and you can't down anything.

I disagree that "no person in real life would ever punt that way"... just look at rugby style punting. That's where I developed the original intent from close to 7 years ago... to try to mimic rugby style punting. From there it's just evolved over time based on changes EA makes.

But there are lots of guys in real life, rugby style or other wise, that do directional kicks to try to force the return guys hand. If he's going to catch it, it's going to be on the punter's terms. A perfect example is Memphis' punter... he was phenomenal and was a big reason why they stayed in the game against Arkansas State.

Again though, if everyone agrees, I'll be more than happy to stop.

[gschwendt]

E & I talked and we're all good. No worries between us.

That said, if anyone does have any kind of a problem with my punting, I am all ears. There are ways to defend it and some have had legitimate success against it (I believe ryby is one) but you do have to prepare for it.