Thanks for posting that, Eric. My stances on Coach Paterno and on the BOT and the University are well documented.
I'm not going to go into it, but nothing has changed my belief on any of it, or my opinion about any of those 3 parties.
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Yeah I just want the whole story.
Understood. Me too. I still believe that the whole story will show that my feeling/opinion will be correct.Originally Posted by psuexv
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I want the whole truth, not some agenda driven BS
Everyone involved in this is getting hammered right now.
I'm having a hard time with this report for many reasons as you can tell.
One thing not really related is how it has been handled. Not interviewing Mike McQueary. Leaking stuff towards the end of the investigation. Then finding out that around 2:30am this morning Deadspin.com got information about it, then seeing the transcript that they planned the site for the .pdf to crash at 9:05am which it did makes me justat everything.
It's to a point where I don't even like to talk about it because my views are clearly influenced with where I live and work which makes things a little tougher for me to accept or see the other side clearly (meaning I still don't trust the BoT and this investigating team). So it's probably best that I steer clear of commenting to be honest.
Totally understand, and this is also why I have stayed away from commenting on the subject in the past. My views will probably not be the same as most(specifically fans of PSU) so I have avoided commenting to avoid the ensuing arguments that are sure to follow.
Just let it play out.
I think Joe is greatly at fault. But I also believe the Paterno family saying they were tricked by Sandusky. That's what a man errrr monster like him does. Manipulate and trick people.
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The dude abides.
LOL trying my best, I've closed twitter for the day and I'm not reading what some are posting on facebook either now
Haven't read the full report yet but from the summary it sounds like everyone to the top down at the University is to blame. As expected there were multiple opportunities to stop this A-hole and everyone looked the other way and tried their best to "keep it on the down low".
Lots of people are going to get sued (including the University itself) and probably several are going to be charged criminally for the coverup. As a PR and (probably sound legal advise) PSU should just get the checkbook out and whatever is asked for (after a brief confirmation the claim could be legit) write the check.
I wouldn't be surprised if people sued Paterno's estate civilly as well. Paterno's family should likewise get the checkbook out.
Time cures allot of things but Paterno's legacy (at least nationally) is likely ruined.
I really hope they get this mess figured out prior to football starting, it's annoying that any of this had to happen, but it's annoying and sickening to keep hearing about it. Punish these people and move on. Give us the whole story, everyone then puke for hours and then MOVE ON. I'm not in the Penn St bubble so I don't have this Joe is the man attitude. I am an Aggie and when BonFire fell in 1998 I "WAS" in the mind set of DUDE build it back and light that sucker up! But now, years removed, older, Father of my own kids....well Bonfire is nice but not if it means kids getting hurt or killed. There is no way it's should even be a 2nd thought. Accidents happen, learn from them and move on.
Penn St, from the sounds of it had an "accident" in the late 90s and didn't learn from it and move on, they covered it up and turned the blind eye....allowing it to continue.
I think the death penalty that SMU received was very harsh. Experts everywhere have said the NCAA should never use this again as it's taken SMU 20 years to finally get back to above 500. However, SMU paid players, that is nothing compared to this. From the sounds of it, again, I'm just on the outside looking, the football program was larger than life. They WERE the authority and seemed to call all the shots. Like it or not, Joe Paterano was the Head Coach. It's not like he just started working there, YEARS of coaching there, you would think, or hope, or like to think he had a clue what was going on under his watch. To say or lie, or whatever you want to call it, that they knew nothing like this was happening it hard to believe. It just doesn't sit right with me. The head football coach at a major university HAS to know what's going on in HIS program. This HAD to make major waves amongst everyone involved and to just say, I didn't know....or I let the other guy know...and just leave it at that...seems like that action that a HEAD football coach in charge of his program just doesn't do.
When SMU was getting in trouble, the head coach at the time, he stepped down, he didn't say, Oh wow gee really? Hmmm I didn't have anything to do with it.....he knew it was wrong, got caught and stepped down. I just seems like Joe should/could have done more.
I don't agree with the death penalty 99% of the time but if you listen to this reporters arguement...well it makes sense.
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...?ocid=todfox11
If football was larger than life, larger than the authorities, enough to make janitors fear for their jobs and lively-hood, then the football program needs to be put in it's place. SMU did the same, they broke the rules, were told MULTIPLE times to stop, yet laughed in the face of authority and FINALLY the NCAA dropped the death penalty BOMB on them. Now 20 years later, I HOPE they think twice if a donation comes in from an alumni "suggesting" they pay a player. HOPEFULLY they learned from their mistakes.
I agree, it would be VERY VERY harsh, but if that's what it takes for the people INSIDE Penn St to realize, what happened there is NOT RIGHT to make them understand you HAVE to go to the police, regardless of if you might lose your job....YOU HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
I know it's taken me a while, 14 years since Bonfire fell and 12 kids were killed (hasn't taken me 14 years to come to this conclusion) but it did take 1-2 years....the risk of human life, or mental/physical torture (as is the case with Penn St) to KIDS or Adults should NEVER come after the concerns or agenda of a football program.
My wife and I are a nice meal and we see this report come over the tv. I'm not trying to start any fights or arguments but here is the MAIN problem I have with all of this.
I'm just a simple man, Married, I have a decent education, B.S. in Psychology from Texas A&M, I'm a lic Plumber in the state of Tx, I have bills and responsibilities just like every other person on the face of the planet. I have 2 wonderful kids so I understand the Parental side of this issue....that ALL being said why on God's green earth does it take an "expert" former FBI director to make the Earth shattering conclusion that "More should have been done". Why if normal folk like myself say this, it's just answered with, well you don't know all the facts, you don't know everything that's going on.....I'm sorry I'm a simple Dad, if someone is raping a kid STOP THEM REPORT THEM. It's that simple. I have NEVER had a job that is more important that that. I would rather be homeless and jobless than know I watched some kid have that done to them and then thought, well I gotta pay my cable bill first...
Is it that this is SO BIG, that MONEY, Jobs, Income for the university are so huge that it takes a man, with such a BIG title to state the obvious and finally people stop and think, WOW this guy is right, what happened there is WRONG! Why does it take a former FBI director to shock human beings back to reality that IS NOT RIGHT, you cannot rape kids!
Thanks for listening, sorry for ranting and raving...it just makes me sick to hear all of this, I mean it's even on Fox news now....It's just sickening to hear about, sickening to hear people defend Joe Paterno, hear about MANY others turning a blind eye, all because the football program was larger than life. I don't know if the death penalty is 100% the right answer, but IF it will shock them into reality, then I would think long and hard but probably recommend it. It would make me SICK to even contemplate, what if, 1 or both of my 2 boys grows up (they are only 4 and 1 now), learns and likes football, is really good, good enough to attend camps and other learning clinics, goes to Penn St and this happens to one of them? Only to be told, well we knew it was an issue but we thought it was taken care of. It shouldn't take people to think...what if it happened to MY kids, we are as adults supposed to look out for EVERY kid, they are our future.
As far as not agreeing with reports, at some point, again it took me a while too, you have to look at it from the outside. When Bonfire first fell they did a big outside-independent report it showed fault and placed blame. A big argument from the "inside" was this is Texas A&M (A=agricultural M=mechanical=engineering SMART KIDS) so how can these so-called experts really know what they are talking about...well both sides had a point, but in the end it's people getting hurt and killed, not who is smarter. In the end you have to make the prudent choice when it comes to human life.
Thanks for listening, sorry if I upset anyone with this post. I'm just expressing my opinions, ranting a lot, and hopefully Penn St will get to the bottom of this SOON and we all can learn from it and hopefully move on.
Last edited by gigemaggs99; 07-12-2012 at 01:55 PM.
This is super long so I'm responding in parts. The 1998 inquiry was handled by the DA and police and no charges were filed. That certainly isn't covering anything up in my eyes. The issue regarding that is that Joe said he knew nothing of it, but it was reference and implied he knew otherwise according to the report. There lies the problem regarding that date. Let's let factual information be factual and not stretch it to a cover up in 1998 when in fact it wasn't.
See now I'm getting more involved then I want to here grrrrrrrr....
Ok so after u reference the 1990's you then in the next paragraph imply that JoePa knew of and allowed the rape and abuse of young children to continue without any questions?? Are u fucking kidding me, first I keep hearing these email references and joe never used email. Some will say well his secretary did and emailed for Joe. So we know this as factual data or implied again? What did Curley and Joe discuss that made Curley change his mind not to contact authorities? I have no clue nor does anyone other then Curley.
The issue I have is you implied Joe allowed this savage to do this to children willingly and knowingly and I'm just not buying it.
What I do buy is that these 4 people, Joe, Graham, Curley and Shultz really screwed the pooch here and made a horrendous decision to not get this looked into in 2001 by people with authority to see if anything criminal had taken place. Call it what you want a cover up a mistake bottom line it was a total and utter fuck up of colossal magnitudes.
The problem is you are not going to convince anyone(me included) that Joe Paterno had no idea what the other 4 men were doing. Joe Paterno WAS(and to some people still is) Penn State football and 10-15 years ago I do not see much of anything happening without him knowing about it and in most instances saying yay or ney on decisions that were made.
I'll just end this by stating that listening to twitter or any news reporters claiming this or this should be done to the football program ARE STILL MISSING THE FUCKING POINT!!!!
How about anyone that did anything criminal be punished to the fullest for justice of the victims surrounding this.
Instead you have reporters and society in all their self righteousness that feel if they don't say the harshest penalties against PSU are less of a person and them themselves guilty of not sympathizing with the victims. The irony is they are doing the exact opposite. Just once I want to hear "with all of this that has come out, here is what Penn State now has in place to protect the youth surround the University (notice I didn't say football program)"
I'm not debating that, I'm asking if you or anyone in the truth of truth think for one second that Joe allowed the sexual molestation of children to occur continually for 10+ years? Something doesn't add up, we the public are missing something or not getting all the facts because while I agree the decisions (which are implied joe halted curley in reporting) were not good I just can't buy that joe knew to that type of degree this was happening and allowed it to continue.
Last edited by psusnoop; 07-12-2012 at 03:43 PM.
Lolol, ok I gotta stop before I snap a blood vessel in disgust for this day and the handling of this tragedy.
Do you think parents of child molesters feel the same way you do about there kids when they first find out? Sorry snoop, but I do and that is the exact reason I have stayed out of this thread until today. If this were to happen at Miami, I would not be able to be a fan of the school anymore. I would root for USF(bro-in-law's school) or another team that I may have some fondness too. I just think whether you want to believe it or not, there is just too much evidence to suggest that JoePa knew SOMETHING. And to me, if you hear anything about something like this it is your duty as a human being to do everything in your power to take care of it.(not saying you do not feel the same way)
I do feel the same way, I want justice for each and every victim and want all the facts to come out too which is debatable too.
I root for the players and team not the administration. I couldn't see myself root for another team like I do PSU.
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