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    So DENVER is now the lead candidate for Manning??? Not gonna lie; I NEVER expected to see that. I wonder how the fans will respond if they trade Tebow to say Jacksonville? If Manning struggles would the Denver faithful boo him?

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    Based on the guys that Manning has talked to so far, Munchak, Philbin, etc. You think he would listen to them over John Elway? Another side note, Manning was REALLY impressed with Eric Decker prior to when he was drafted. It makes sense to go to Denver, draft a future QB in a year or two, or get a good backup for insurance on Manning's helath. He'll have Decker, Wayne will probably follow Payton as Denver can afford both, Eddie Royal, so there are some targets on the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaymo76 View Post
    If X struggles would the Y faithful boo him?
    Yes. That's true for every fan base.

    But honestly, Peyton would be really screwed if he struggles. Denver's fan poll currently has Tebow ahead, 60-40 last I saw. So if the totally unscientific fan poll prefers Teblow + Peyton struggles? Ouch. That never works out well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHCross View Post
    Uhm ... why? Bud Adams has publicly said that he wants Manning more than any other free agent. And the guy's got a little bit of a history in Tennessee ...
    all owners say that stuff..owners try and get players that will sell tickets,it doesnt mean they are in it for a championship.They just want a draw card and asses in the seats

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBHuskers View Post
    Based on the guys that Manning has talked to so far, Munchak, Philbin, etc. You think he would listen to them over John Elway? Another side note, Manning was REALLY impressed with Eric Decker prior to when he was drafted. It makes sense to go to Denver, draft a future QB in a year or two, or get a good backup for insurance on Manning's helath. He'll have Decker, Wayne will probably follow Payton as Denver can afford both, Eddie Royal, so there are some targets on the team.
    Yeah but Eric Decker is not Brandon Marshall or Kenny Britt. You add Wayne and Peyton to those teams and it's going to be nasty. Marshall might be a head case but he goes out every week and performs, and has done so usually without a QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram29jackson View Post
    all owners say that stuff..owners try and get players that will sell tickets,it doesnt mean they are in it for a championship.They just want a draw card and asses in the seats
    To my knowledge, the Titans have no problems drawing fans. You answer, I believe, is too simplistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psuexv View Post
    Yeah but Eric Decker is not Brandon Marshall or Kenny Britt. You add Wayne and Peyton to those teams and it's going to be nasty. Marshall might be a head case but he goes out every week and performs, and has done so usually without a QB.
    True, but he doesn't have to be. Get a receiving corps of Eric Decker, Demaryius Thomas, Eddie Royal, Wayne (if he were to follow Manning from Indy), that's already turning into a nice little group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes View Post
    True, but he doesn't have to be. Get a receiving corps of Eric Decker, Demaryius Thomas, Eddie Royal, Wayne (if he were to follow Manning from Indy), that's already turning into a nice little group.
    True, it's not a bad group but the others would be better. IMO, if I were Peyton and the money was about the same, I'd go to the Titans. Great RB, good defense, you play the Colts twice and you know they are going to suck, and you have always handled the other two teams in the division. The Dolphins you have to play the Pats and Jets twice and in Denver you get in to those bitter slobber-knocker rival games with the Chiefs and Raiders.

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    JayGlazer: Scoopage: Take 1 name off the list of free agents set to hit the market today. Saints have just agreed to new 5 yr deal w WR Marques Colston

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    Here's one reason the Broncos have a good chance. They can throw plenty of money at him.

    Teams with most salary-cap space are Bucs ($44 million under), Bengals ($41 million), Broncos ($38M)

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    Quote Originally Posted by psuexv View Post
    Yeah but Eric Decker is not Brandon Marshall or Kenny Britt. You add Wayne and Peyton to those teams and it's going to be nasty. Marshall might be a head case but he goes out every week and performs, and has done so usually without a QB.
    Brandon Marshall was just traded to the Bears for 2 3rd round picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerfan View Post
    Brandon Marshall was just traded to the Bears for 2 3rd round picks.

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    That's interesting. Hooking him and Cutler back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerfan View Post
    To my knowledge, the Titans have no problems drawing fans. You answer, I believe, is too simplistic.

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    most NFL teams have no trouble drawing fans, that isnt the point.

    Sometimes a simple answer is all you need..and its true. Owners are money oriented, just because you already make alot doesnt mean you dont hope to up the profit with a another draw card..you just keep telling the fans "we are working towards a championship because thars what they want to hear..the Titans have proven you cant take them that seriously.

    Only the Packers, Steelers, and even though its been a while, the Cowboys have proven that its their ultimate goal and not just what you say when asked about it.

    no, I believe he wont be a Titan when its over.

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    Pierre Garcon to the Redskins.... see Mors, it's not all bad

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    Uggh... God damn it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram29jackson View Post
    most NFL teams have no trouble drawing fans, that isnt the point.

    Sometimes a simple answer is all you need..and its true. Owners are money oriented, just because you already make alot doesnt mean you dont hope to up the profit with a another draw card..you just keep telling the fans "we are working towards a championship because thars what they want to hear..the Titans have proven you cant take them that seriously.

    Only the Packers, Steelers, and even though its been a while, the Cowboys have proven that its their ultimate goal and not just what you say when asked about it.

    no, I believe he wont be a Titan when its over.
    So you are saying that most of the owners in the NFL are not looking to win a championship? So if they went 1-15 but made a shit load of money they would be happy?

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    The Cowboys??

    They last won in 1995.

    If having a meddling owner who thinks he is a draft guru and undermines his own coaching staff in the media is what it takes, you're right they do.

    If the Vikings weren't retarded, and didn't give Dallas 50 draft picks for Herschel Walker, Dallas' last championship would be 1977. But, the Vikings were that dumb so people still view Dallas as something they are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psuexv View Post
    So you are saying that most of the owners in the NFL are not looking to win a championship? So if they went 1-15 but made a shit load of money they would be happy?
    The 49ers and the Bills sure as hell would. They are two of the biggest tightwads in a league full of tightwads and sore losers.

    The fact that the Cowboys and the Redskins (the two franchises that make this fuckin' piece of shit league work) are getting punished for something that wasn't illegal at all (no written rules telling them not to do it because it would be considered colluding if they did and the NFLPA would have been all over the NFL's ass in about two milliseconds) and the other owners pushed for it happen and the NFLPA was ok with passing it just burns me up to no end. Good idea league. Piss off the two franchises that, combined, make more money for the league than the other 30 franchises combined.


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    The Cowboys and Redskins were warned.

    Do you have data to back up the claim that those 2 make more money for the league than the other 30 franchises combined? I'd be interested in seeing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerfan View Post
    The Cowboys and Redskins were warned.

    Do you have data to back up the claim that those 2 make more money for the league than the other 30 franchises combined? I'd be interested in seeing that.

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    Verbally warned by the same backroom handshake, wink wink, nudge nudge shit that every other team was.

    It's plain and simple, the league colluded with one another to not use the uncapped year to wash away bad contracts because a good 20 of the 32 owners are barely staying afloat and therefore don't have the cash laying around to do what the Skins and Cowboys did (along with the Bears, mind you, who aren't being punished for doing the exact same thing).

    So, because the Cowboys and Skins are able to make more money than any of the other franchises, and therefore have the ability to do what they did, unlike teams that are poorly managed, they are getting punished for it.

    The Redskins and the Cowboys are getting punished for not participating in colluding.


    As for whether or not they make more money for the league than the other 30 teams combined, I don't have any hard evidence, but there's a pretty damn good chance that it's real considering that the Redskins and Cowboys are in the top 5 in sports franchises worth the most money in the world (last I saw, Redskins were 3rd and Cowboys were 1st). When you have franchises worth billions of dollars, one has to think quite a bit of that money is going toward the league since the whole cap room thing is based on how much money the league is projected to make, as a whole next year and when the Cowboys and Redskins are making several $100 million dollars a year, you'd have to think it's pretty likely that those two combined are at least half of the league total.

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