You're absolutely insane if you don't think Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, and Bruce Allen aren't the best thing to happen to the Redskins since the end of Gibbs I.Originally Posted by ryby6969
You're absolutely insane if you don't think Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, and Bruce Allen aren't the best thing to happen to the Redskins since the end of Gibbs I.
I guess I am insane then because if they were leading my team, I would be searching for a new one. I would rather have my current OC(Cam Cameron) then have Kyle and I have been up for firing Cam for years now.
Perhaps. But you also have to consider what they've had since the early 90s.
Richie Petitbon
Norv Turner
Terry Robiskie (interim)
Marty Schottenheimer
Steve Spurrier
Joe Gibbs
Jim Zorn
Mike Shanahan
Also see: Vinny Cerrato
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Just because he is better than the shit they have had, does not make him good. If they had John Elway and Terrell Davis, maybe. But they are far from that.
True, but saying that it would be a good thing to get him run from town also implies that there's an obvious upgrade. I don't see any chance of an upgrade in the HC or OC positions coming to Washington soon.
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Exactly. Unfortunately, he and Bruce Allen just made the dumbest trade in the history of the universe and pretty much fucked themselves unless Griffin actually happens to be the one player in the past 30 years or so that breaks all of these highly unlikely scenarios:
1. Played in an Air Raid offense - the list isn't pretty showing who has been drafted in the NFL coming from that offensive style and NOT ONE has done dick in the NFL out of it
2. Won the Heisman Trophy - Last QB to do worth a shit after winning the Heisman Trophy Award has been Carson Palmer (if you can really consider going 8-8 and not winning a playoff game worth a shit) - Before him, you gotta go back to Vinny Testaverde (1984) or Jim Plunkett (1970) before you truly have a good QB doing well in the NFL after winning the Heisman - And, no, I don't consider a 6-10 season worth a shit for Cam Newton; win some games and then come talk to me
3. #2 QB taken in the draft - This list isn't pretty. With the exception of Aaron Rodgers, Phil Sims, Philip Rivers, and, I guess, Donovan McNabb, you have some pretty terrible QBs taken as the 2nd QB in the draft:
2009 - Mark Sanchez
2008 - Joe Flacco
2007 - Brady Quinn
2006 - Matt Leinart
2005 - Aaron Rodgers
2004 - Philip Rivers
2003 - Byron Leftwich
2002 - Joey Harrington
2001 - Drew Brees (2nd round)
2000 - Giovanni Carmazzi (3rd round)
1999 - Donovan McNabb
1998 - Ryan Leaf
1997 - Jake Plummer
1996 - Bobby Hoying (3rd round)
1995 - Kerry Collins
1994 - Trent Dilfer
1993 - Rick Mirer
1992 - Tommy Maddox
1991 - Todd Marinovich
1990 - Andre Ware
1989 - Mike Elkins (2nd round)
1988 - Don McPherson (6th round)
1987 - Kelly Stouffer
1986 - Chuck Long
1985 - Frank Reich (3rd round)
1984 - Jeff Hostetler (3rd round)
1983 - Todd Bleckledge
1982 - Jim McMahon
1981 - Neil Lomax (2nd round)
1980 - Mark Malone
1979 - Phil Simms
You're being generous to say Testaverde was worth a shit. Also, he won the Heisman in 86, not 84.
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Yeah, and I forgot to include Drew Brees for the 2nd QB taken worth a shit list as well, but I was basically just hammering it out right quick after having already posted all this stuff on the Redskins board I frequent (and have right pissed most of them off because of my naysaying because, most of them are too fuckin' blinded by media morons to see the true story).
Yeah, Brees turned out okay too.
I just remember the Testaverde year because of Penn State intercepting him 5 times to win the NC in the Fiesta Bowl. I was 12 and recorded that game, as a then-PSU fan, and must have watched it 100 times.
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You? Piss people off with strong opinions? I'm stunned
I agree that the list isn't pretty, but RGIII is not Case Keenum ... he's not your typical stat-heavy Air Raid QB.
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Baylor was an Air Raid offense?
Yes.
I don't think the answer is as simple as mors puts it, but in its basics, yes. Briles was the RB coach under Mike Leach at Texas Tech. He was the head coach at Houston when they made the transition to the Air Raid. He's credited with introducing the spread offense to Texas HS football. However, I think Art Briles doesn't run the straight Air Raid that's shown in NCAA with TTU, or how people perceive the Air Raid in general. There are a lot more vertical passing concepts at Baylor, particular with Robert Griffin, than there are with other Air Raid offenses.
But yes, at the end of the day, Baylor is an Air Raid offense.
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Vertical is right. Jesus, I'd hate to play Art Briles in NCAA 12 and have him call 4 verts all day. I might have to smack that cheeser.
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The 3rd pick of the draft is possibly getting shopped. Lots of offers towards the Vikings to trade up and take Richardson.
Not "possibly". There's no way in hell the Vikings end up picking 3rd. They've got to be pretty confident they can drop to 5th and still get Kalil. They could drop further if they're okay with getting someone else.
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There is certainly a way in hell.
If the Vikings can't move to 4, 5, or 6 they will stay put.
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and in a surprising move, the seahawks will trade their 1st round pick and LT russell okung to the vikings for the #3 pick in the draft.
lol....yeah, wishful thinking on my part.
The Vikings would do that in a heartbeat.
Considering the 4th pick is not theirs to trade.
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nice try....but i was quicker. lol
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