Dynasty & Coaching Carousel

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Originally Posted by Dr Death

For the most part you would be right. But I remember the 2006-07 Hawaii Warriors and they would have games where they didn't call a running play until late in the 3rd quarter or even until the 4th quarter. Looking up their 2006 stats they had 615 pass attempts and 298 rushing attempts, but Brennan {QB} and Graunke {QB} had 95 of those rushing attempts and while a few would have been designed runs down inside the 2, the majority were scrambles on pass plays.

In 2007 they had 606 pass attempts and 261 rushing attempts but Brennan/Graunke combined for 103 of those rushing attempts. So there have been instances where pass happy teams, especially June Jones teams, throw way more than they run and only run w/ any consistency when they're way ahead late.

And though it's not college, the 2002 Oakland Raiders threw the heck out of the ball. In their AFC Championship Game against the Titans, their first 41 plays were all pass plays.

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remember the 07 uh-san jose state overtime game, where colt threw it 75 times? lol

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Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp

remember the 07 uh-san jose state overtime game, where colt threw it 75 times? lol

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That game was NUTS, lol. And they still somehow found time to run the ball 26 times. More than 100 offensive plays, talk about putting in work!

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Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp

remember the 07 uh-san jose state overtime game, where colt threw it 75 times? lol

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I not only remember it, I taped that game as well as all of their games from 2006-07. The ones I couldn't get on TV I had a friend in Hawaii who taped them for me. So yeah... that San Jose St game was nuts... trailing 21-35 w/ just over 6 minutes left and starting at their own 3 yard line.

Colt puts together a 97 yard drive which ends when D. Bess makes an amazing one-handed catch for the TD and then Blaze Soares forced a fumble and we tied it w/ a Colt run in the final thirty seconds and then won in OT on a pass to Rivers.

That was the game the announcer said that Colt played himself out of Heisman contention {4 picks} and then played himself right back into it! {4 TD passes and come-from-behind win} :D

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

It takes you to the Recruit Map that has been in previous iterations.

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Ahh I see. Thanks for answering that it didn't even cross my mind that it would be the prospect map.

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Originally Posted by FoleyLions

I think they said that new coaches are generated when a coach retires. Could be wrong but I'm sure I read that somewhere.

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Okay thanks. I'm curious to see how that works though like say JoePa retired from Penn State. Would they just replace Penn State Head Coach with a new generated coach or would Penn State go through the coaching carousel and hire a new coach? I think it would be sorta stupid for a big time school like Penn State to just bring in some rookie, D prestige, coach as head coach rather than look for a good one. Though he probably wouldn't last but one year anyways it would be silly.

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Originally Posted by Cipher 8

Ahh I see. Thanks for answering that it didn't even cross my mind that it would be the prospect map.



Okay thanks. I'm curious to see how that works though like say JoePa retired from Penn State. Would they just replace Penn State Head Coach with a new generated coach or would Penn State go through the coaching carousel and hire a new coach? I think it would be sorta stupid for a big time school like Penn State to just bring in some rookie, D prestige, coach as head coach rather than look for a good one. Though he probably wouldn't last but one year anyways it would be silly.

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Penn State would still go through the entire coaching carousel process. I think what they are saying is that when a coach retires, the game will generate a new coach that will be placed in the coaching/coaching prospects pool and would be a candidate for a HC or coordinator position somewhere, instead of just having a coach retire and then there be one less coach for the game to have the teams choose from in the coaching carousel.

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

Penn State would still go through the entire coaching carousel process. I think what they are saying is that when a coach retires, the game will generate a new coach that will be placed in the coaching/coaching prospects pool and would be a candidate for a HC or coordinator position somewhere, instead of just having a coach retire and then there be one less coach for the game to have the teams choose from in the coaching carousel.

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I hope that's how it works. Thanks.

Made it to page 5 then got tired of looking. Simple question: Has anyone simulated say 6 years into the dynasty and checked ratings of players vs. original roster ratings. Here are the things that EA has never gotten right in the past:
1) Original rosters typically lead to a ton of near 99 talent guys before they leave and then there is a drop off.
2) Original rosters will have the best SOPH talent you are ever going to see in your dynasty.
3) Future rosters tend to mess up ratings due to randomization that makes no sense when compared to original rosters. Meaning, the CPU generated class might have the right OVR average rating for its running backs but some of the key ratings for running backs are too skewed when compared to the original roster. Like ACC might be extremely LOW with running backs, like OT like low which is STUPID.
4) Guys like Denard Robinson are IMPOSSIBLE to recruit. Sure you MIGHT be able to get a 5th year senior in the ball park of his ratings, but to get another QB rated the same as him in his JR year = IMPOSSIBLE
5) Teams are filling out rosters and depth charts properly.
6) Teams are recruiting to their team's philosophies. Option teams are recruiting FAST QBs.

I think that is enough to ask for now. Thanks

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Originally Posted by keyser soze

Made it to page 5 then got tired of looking. Simple question: Has anyone simulated say 6 years into the dynasty and checked ratings of players vs. original roster ratings. Here are the things that EA has never gotten right in the past:
1) Original rosters typically lead to a ton of near 99 talent guys before they leave and then there is a drop off.
2) Original rosters will have the best SOPH talent you are ever going to see in your dynasty.
3) Future rosters tend to mess up ratings due to randomization that makes no sense when compared to original rosters. Meaning, the CPU generated class might have the right OVR average rating for its running backs but some of the key ratings for running backs are too skewed when compared to the original roster. Like ACC might be extremely LOW with running backs, like OT like low which is STUPID.
4) Guys like Denard Robinson are IMPOSSIBLE to recruit. Sure you MIGHT be able to get a 5th year senior in the ball park of his ratings, but to get another QB rated the same as him in his JR year = IMPOSSIBLE
5) Teams are filling out rosters and depth charts properly.
6) Teams are recruiting to their team's philosophies. Option teams are recruiting FAST QBs.

I think that is enough to ask for now. Thanks

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ditto

I started a simulation to look at some of those things... right now I'm near the end of season 4 I believe. Once I get to season 6, I'll post some thoughts on what I see in relation to your questions but also general thoughts of rosters, etc. I'll try to have all of that up sometime this evening. Bear in mind this is complete simulation so I didn't do any manual recruiting or anything like that whatsoever.

That would be great. I know that last year EA attempted to get the average incoming class around right but IMO they did a POOR job of bounding ratings around the important position specific ratings such as ACC and ATH for RBs, WRs, etc... It was silly to see some of the HIGH END recruits with horrible accelerations. Of course this didn't exist in the original roster set since they go through and do those by hand. The randomization of the ratings is what did them in I believe.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by gschwendt

I started a simulation to look at some of those things... right now I'm near the end of season 4 I believe. Once I get to season 6, I'll post some thoughts on what I see in relation to your questions but also general thoughts of rosters, etc. I'll try to have all of that up sometime this evening. Bear in mind this is complete simulation so I didn't do any manual recruiting or anything like that whatsoever.

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If you have an OC or DC position, when you go to play that side of the ball can you still play co-op; as in both players playing a position while 1st player does the play calling?

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Originally Posted by gschwendt

I started a simulation to look at some of those things... right now I'm near the end of season 4 I believe. Once I get to season 6, I'll post some thoughts on what I see in relation to your questions but also general thoughts of rosters, etc. I'll try to have all of that up sometime this evening. Bear in mind this is complete simulation so I didn't do any manual recruiting or anything like that whatsoever.

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perfect!

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Originally Posted by gschwendt

I started a simulation to look at some of those things... right now I'm near the end of season 4 I believe. Once I get to season 6, I'll post some thoughts on what I see in relation to your questions but also general thoughts of rosters, etc. I'll try to have all of that up sometime this evening. Bear in mind this is complete simulation so I didn't do any manual recruiting or anything like that whatsoever.

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This is also something I'm looking far its one of the things left we know the least about

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Originally Posted by gschwendt

I started a simulation to look at some of those things... right now I'm near the end of season 4 I believe. Once I get to season 6, I'll post some thoughts on what I see in relation to your questions but also general thoughts of rosters, etc. I'll try to have all of that up sometime this evening. Bear in mind this is complete simulation so I didn't do any manual recruiting or anything like that whatsoever.

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If you happen to think about it, could you also check to see if players still transfer within their conference?

Comparison of team OVR preseason ratings between 2011 & 2016. I'll still have more thoughts on sim results, etc. later but wanted to post these so that they could be dissected. I'll also likely sim to 2021 so we can compare 1 to 6 to 10 seasons.

That looks pretty good to me and about the same amount of A teams as the default rosters

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Originally Posted by gschwendt

Comparison of team OVR preseason ratings between 2011 & 2016. I'll still have more thoughts on sim results, etc. later but wanted to post these so that they could be dissected. I'll also likely sim to 2021 so we can compare 1 to 6 to 10 seasons.

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I like how over time the average teams are getting slightly better, kinda helps mix up things.

Using some simple Ramhurst Math this is what I got

2011-2016
A = 19-19
B = 61-68
C = 29-25
D = 10-8

I like the spread of talent grades. The tough part is when you have 12 user teams gobbling up recruits. Hopefully the CPU is more competitive with users in fighting for recruits than in '11.

Well that looks promising on the surface. Now the real question, are the teams BALANCED inside with those ratings and are the players balanced inside their ratings? Here is what I mean:

Is the CPU team as a whole that is rated an "A" look like an "A" team to start. An "A" team now has no real holes in their roster. In the past the CPU teams don't recruit right and end up with 11 QBs who might have great ratings but that creates massive holes at other positions and skews their team rating. Who cares if their 4th string QB has a good rating if their first string OG is horrible.

Second issue are the ratings inside the players OVR rating. In past you could have the top RB in the class have great speed and strength but he has the acceleration of an offensive guard thus making him WORTHLESS or at best, a low level running back. So his OVR might be great because of a number of highly rated attributes but because his ACC is that of an offensive lineman he is completely worthless on the field.

Thanks for posting that spreadsheet.