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I trust the GCs on TGT a lot -- please... please tell me that was an old gameplay video and thats not what it looked like during the CD. Please tell me -- ok, I'm honestly giving you permission to "hype" me up. At the moment, that video is a buzzkill -- I won't even lie.
Just reading a lot of negative reactions to that video on Twitter and OS. Hopefully EA puts out a longer video soon with a good player on a higher difficulty. That video seemed to upset people far more than made them happy. Definitely a marketing miss so far.
A lot of valid complaints about the commentary and the dead air. Many complaints about the crowd noise and lack of true TV presentation. Reading a lot of NCAA 12.2 comments (fair or not, a ton of people are saying it on OS). Still complaints about the running animations and lack of momentum although quite a few (myself included) thought it looked a little smoother.
Gotmadskillz seemed to sum up a lot of people's opinions on OS: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2043673042
I would love to see some cpu vs cpu gameplay of them running the option. That would be huge for me as I need to see the cpu run the spread effectively.
Why do people keep saying "It looks like 12.5" or whatever? WHAT IS IT SUPPOSE TO LOOK LIKE? Do people think EA was just going to start over after 12. Of course it's going to look like just an update to 12.
True lol. I think people were just expecting to see something fresh. I also think people were expecting to see a big improvement to commentary and the commentary was bad. Any time you don't see much of an improvement people will use that line and I have done it myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by souljahbill
The last thing I'll say on that clip from yesterday is that it really did look bad. I don't feel it's representative of the product I played a month ago. My suggestion is for everyone to wait until longer videos come out and/or videos from the community when we receive copies and can. As well, a lot of the new gameplay features are more about feel rather than looks so for that I suggest waiting on the demo to try it out for yourself.
I'm not trying to say the game is going to be perfect or that everyone is going to love it, but certainly better than what you saw in that clip.
Dead Air
#AnotherProblemINeverNoticedUntilReadingNCAAForums
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDa6iJFbFR0#t=3m21s
Skip to 3:21 in this clip and watch this play. Watch the RCB on this play. What or whom is he covering on this play?
WTH? Was that some kind of weird zone? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
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My best guess is that it's some kind of bug to where the CBs are trading flat responsibilities. If you notice, both CBs gravitate towards the middle and both flats end up wide open as a result. Definitely looks awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
Thats what I saw too after rewatching a few more times. I was focusing in on the curl mostly though and couldn't understand how in the world he was so wide open (someone missed him for the easy TD there) but yeah hopefully that gets a little love :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
With the thread as debbie downer as it has been I hated to point that out but thought more should see notice it. And I understand the NCAA 12.2 comments but like Soul mentioned already, aside from a complete overhaul (not happening) it will always look like upgrades because guess what IT IS UPGRADES :fp:
I think Deuce, steelerfan, and myself have mentioned a few times over that EA should fix the issues with 12 and give me that for 13 and I'll be happy. They have added more and continue to listen to the community for things that we want to see (while addressing issues on 12) and for that I'm very happy heading forward. As long as things stay constructive and people can add to the dialog of things they want to see then we can continue as a community to push forward to try and get this series where everyone wants and hopes it to be.
Key phrase here. You're not going to get the gist of everything on just watching videos.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
Here's the feedback I sent to the devs about the video... let me know if you think I missed anything.
For the audio
For the gameplay, lots of issues unfortunately
- Kirk is very rarely heard throughout the clip (once, maybe twice?) and ends up producing a lot of dead-air. I assume this has to do with still getting his new lines into the game, but it's definitely noticeable and a negative.
- Some have complained about the crowd noise... I didn't think it was that bad though they might not be as reactive as they should be, particularly on the touchdown
There's probably other things that we could find but those are the biggest ones that stand out.
- Play 1 (0:23), nothing horrible here, however I did notice that the defense is in a 43 Quarters with responsibilities swapped (CBs share a deep half). The problem is that the FS is slow to get deep... instead he freezes for a second while everyone else around him moves. Seeing as he has to get across the field, he should be much quicker to react. Also, I do wish that the MLB would pay more attention to the TEs instead of drifting away from them but we'll chalk that up to poor ZCV I suppose.
- Play 2 (1:20), two problems with this play. First is the RBs mobility... he's able to cut a 90 degree angle and appears to gain speed through it rather than lose any. Second is the RT... he seems to get confused as to who his assignment should be (I assume he wants to get to the LOLB). In this play, it doesn't cause a problem but this is what happens often on run blocking in the open... the blocker can't get to his assignment and/or changes his mind at the wrong moment (the worst is when he changes his mind while he's in the middle of a hole you're trying to get to).
- Play 3 (1:47), first complaint is on the CPU defense... best I can tell this is Cover 2 Zone (perhaps a Tampa 2?) but the FS is outside the numbers without a threat in that area. At worst, he should be over the top of the X receiver because if he was running a streak or post, there's be no one in the area to stop him. The second issue is with the user (which obviously you guys can't control)... I assume he was trying to lead the slot receiver (RB) upfield to show off the new passing mechanic but obviously we'd have to ask him.
- Play 4 (2:19), nothing too terrible here, though I would like for the OL to at least bump the DL on their way out of the blocks but obviously that's not anything that will be happening this year.
- Play 5 (3:02), this is just a complaint about the user... really wish he would have followed the proper hole instead of trying to bounce it outside. The play appears to have been blocked quite well with a big hole to run through but instead gets stopped for no gain.
- Play 6 (3:25). Watching the CBs, I can only assume this is some kind of bad bug. The defense appears to be in a Cover 2 Zone but what seems to happen is that the CBs swap their flat coverage responsibilities. You'll notice that at the snap, both gravitate towards the middle and as a result, both flats are wide open.
- Play 7 (3:55)... the biggest complaint here is that the CB has a ball thrown right in front of him and he never attempts to make a play. He actually freezes as the ball is about to arrive and then barely moves once the ball does arrive; I assume this might be gameplay on Varsity or something but if not, then that's a big issue (still an issue if on Varsity). As well, the user should have thrown it more to the sidelines but obviously you guys can't control the user.
Great feedback!
Very nice. Be interested to know EA's response...if it's ok to share.
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Generally not... they can be much more free and open in responses to us if they know that what they're sharing is in confidence. Obviously I don't want to break that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuce
However, the comments might spur them to release some kind of statement or video or something on their own, which of course is up to them.
No worries. Hopefully EA will respond to the community in some way to ease the concerns.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
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Needs more:Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
1) EA SUCKS!
2) 2K5 is better!
3) $60 roster update!
4) NCAA 12.5!
:p
You forgot socks.Quote:
Originally Posted by souljahbill
See, you're being mean. I was being constructive.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
:D....lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
Great feedback G!
:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by souljahbill
Why is the MLB moving so fast to his zone assignment on Play #1? If you watch other plays there seems to be more of a drift towards the zone assignment not the opposite. Also why is his zone coverage in between the hashes? Shouldn't his zone be closer to the right hash?
Part of me hopes that he has that as a zone, and runs over there because there is an immediate threat. Whether that is the case or not, who knows.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
He's trying to get to the middle of the field. It's a 4-3 Quarters so the DBs are all dropping deep leaving the OLBs covering the flats/buzzes and the MLB being the lone hook in the middle. Probably a bad playcall by the CPU but it does appear to have been generally executed properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
OK my bad then. Thanks for straightening me out hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
Just got around to watching the video, can't really deduct anything except for the commentary. Gameplay additions is something you can't tell until you play a demo, or the game yourself. I wish more people would take that approach to the videos. There's never been a sports game that had a game play video that I truly liked for those reasons. Therefore, the video didn't sway me either way. Now, a good 3-4 years ago I'd be emotional right now lol.
:whoa: :smh:Quote:
Originally Posted by EerRaid12
if the grass stayedthe way it is for the next 5 years, I would care less.
...now, if they brought back 70s astro turf as a create a stadium or team-builder option, I would be all over that ! LOL
:sf:, we need your picture magic!Quote:
Originally Posted by ram29jackson
I'm in a rush, best I could do for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
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Damn JB. What drugs were you on when you bought/made that? :D Unless of course that's like the Cadillac of vehicles in Nebraska or something and I just didn't know. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
Seriously? You never noticed it? It stood out like a sore thumb for many people including myself. I know some of you guys hate the negativity but there were legitimate complaints and this is one of them imo. This isn't socks or visors but an important part of presentation.Quote:
Originally Posted by souljahbill
Someone posted this clip on OS. The crowd is really into it! The sounds are great. Presentation is really good. I truly think the sounds were better in this game from 8 years ago. The game starts at 2:17.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TchJFPwD8H8
On another note, great write-up Tommy!
That's not mine. This is.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
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I highly disagree. The crowd noise is still really bad. They don't react to what's happening on the field. They barely react to them coming out on the field. It's a generic team entrance with the added bonus of a generic team entrance for the visiting team (even though visiting teams rarely, if ever, run out on the field like that and definitely not right after the home team does their entrance).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy
Looks like a bunch of a generic stuff surrounding the previously same old terrible commentary with no moderation between the voice samplings of Brad, Lee, and Kirk.
Compare that to this clip where you have a crowd actually reacting to the team coming out (jump to about 2:10 to the reaction):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9N2b4c-G1k
At least I hear the crowd. They make a lot of noise and it sounds like a rocking college atmosphere. Either way, NCAA 13 should have way better presentation than NCAA 05 and it's not. Not even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by morsdraconis
I'm serious. I NEVER noticed the dead air. It's not a "I hate complaining" thing. It's honestly a "Yeah, there's dead air and I never noticed it before" thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy
Did you not read what Tommy and JB wrote about this clip? It's clear it's an early build without all the presentation and sound stuff in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy
G, great feedback....but since you pointed out certain players, that is not the projected starting LT for USC based on their end of spring depth chart. LT#70 should be starting instead of LT #76. every other offensive starter is correct, except for that one.
I don't trust EA and their track record this gen is bad. I won't give them the benefit of the doubt. If it was an old build then why release it? What good can come from releasing a crappy video from an old build? The sound was bad last year despite the fact they said they worked on it. How many times have we heard guys say it was better in the build they played and then screwed up in retail? Sometimes the game goes backwards and not forwards. Old build, new build, demo or retail - the best thing to believe is my eyes and ears and this wasn't good. The demo will also be huge to me and if it sucks I will be cancelling my pre-order no matter how old that build is either. EA needs to release a much better video next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by morsdraconis
I'm sorry, but you have unrealistic expectations of what the crowd should sound like. The crowd noise for that game sounded fine. It was the home team with the ball, so the crowd noise is going to be low to give the home team the ability to make changes to the play without interference. The crowd sounds fine when they score a TD. It's the beginning of the game. Crowds don't go apeshit on normal TDs by the offense at the beginning of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy