So MS swaying people over to their system would entice these hackers to try and hit XBL? If they want to hit XBL they are going to do it, not because MS said "hey come play our system"Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
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So MS swaying people over to their system would entice these hackers to try and hit XBL? If they want to hit XBL they are going to do it, not because MS said "hey come play our system"Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
In the mind of a deviant, it would be the same as saying, "our network is secure, join us." Just my opinion. Sorta like the feeling people get that the celebrations of bin Laden's death will bring more terror.Quote:
Originally Posted by psuexv
It's not necessary, IMO, for MS to overtly advertize Sony's failure. They can reap benefits from it without saying a word. No need to say, "We can't be brought down! Buy an XBOX!"
So these hackers are the equivalent to Navy Seals? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
I don't think that would be the case at all. These hackers went after PSN for revenge on Sony sueing that one hacker. I could see them revering in the fact that they are driving business from Sony to MS, IMO
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by psuexv
You're comparing PSN's death to Bin Laden's.... seemed pretty straight forward to me :bang:Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
This. With the way Microsoft has been selling 360s the past 4 or 5 months, they don't even need to utilize Sony's network problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
Even with that, you know there's going to be some people that will switch. That's just bound to happen. Hell, people switch between consoles every day for no reason whatsoever, so I'm sure a 3 week outage would probably increase that a bit.
No, in my illiterate illustration, the terrorists are the hackers, lol. What I'm saying is there is nothing to be gained from drawing the attention of the hackers by showing the bravado that "they didn't get us!"Quote:
Originally Posted by psuexv
Ahhh, that actually makes sense. Since the terrorist would be retaliating to the over excitement as would the hackers to the blatant promo of MS systemQuote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
And I agree that MS won't do anything as they don't really want to put down Sony, but I don't agree that it would have the backlash that you think, IMO. They targeted PSN for a specific reason and I honestly think they would be happy to see the business moving away from Sony. This very easily could be the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
I get it. But, undoubtedly XBL is already in some hacker's crosshairs (it doesn't have to be the same group). No need to stir them up, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by psuexv
I do believe that if MS started directly "bragging" about/using PSN's problem(s) to try to bring over new customers hackers would view that as a challenge.
Maybe I'm wrong here but I'm betting if hackers REALLY wanted to they could shut down Live just as easily as they have done to PSN.
PSN outage costing Capcom 'hundreds of thousands, if not millions,' exec says
You have to know with that kind of line thrown out there, Sony is doing everything they can to bring the system back up as quickly as they can.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
wait, PSN is down??
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s...ng-news-54.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Violator
ohhh noes!!!! ZOINKS!! ohh well its summer, get outside and enjoy the sun!!
What if MS is behind this lol?
So Sony doesn't plan on launching PSN until my birthday? That's a whole 21 days from now.
And Bill Gates is sitting on a pile of money laughing his ass offQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingpin32
Personally, I heard Obama was behind it b/c FLOTUS was bothering him about kids playing too many video games and not buying into her exercise and eat right campaign.
May 31st over/under?
http://www.1up.com/news/psn-might-not-fully-back-may-31
For complete functionality of the PSN.. over. I think some things will be back up way before then though.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Google Chrome coming to PSN when it is back up in 2020?
http://www.product-reviews.net/2011/...n-psn-back-up/
Honestly, since they've turned off my access to having wireless internet in my dorm room, this PSN down mess hasn't really affected me. But I'll be back home in a week with nothing to do for 2 weeks, and with Brink I was really looking forward to playing it online.
Seems crazy to think it would take that long to get it back up and secure.
Yeah you may be right so the things that make $. PSN Store up pronto playing games online not so.... much?Quote:
Originally Posted by psuexv
From all indications, it's going to be the opposite. I think they're a lot more worried about securing the Store than they are about securing online play. Plus there's probably a lot more to secure, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
The general thinking lately is that we'll see a slow rollout of returning services, starting with PSN Online Play. The Store is expected to be the last thing that comes back.
If you think about it, of the two, not having Online Play is significantly more of a long-term cost to Sony (because of all the people that would jump to XBL to play their friends) than not having the Store. Only so many people would swap because they're desperate for certain DLC.
Plus one here Jeff great point, just be nice to get back online and start playing again. I miss powerhouse dynasty haha
... "perhaps not until 2050" but who's counting?Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj
in other words the news is that we have no news.
Wow, this is crossing over from "ridiculous" to "asinine."
I think they should just give daily tidbits of information and updates about the status and quit putting a time frame on something that they themselves seem unsure about. It would keep people from getting so touchy about the situation (well some it might anyways .....:D:D)Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj
There's no preventing the touchiness of the situation anymore. As I said before, this is, by far, the worst, most mishandled situation I've ever seen for an online service outage ever. It's getting on being a month (only 12 more days if I remember correctly when it went out) without being able to log on at all with a PSN device. It's getting to the point where Sony will be losing customers forever now. This type of mismanagement is just beyond acceptable. When you have games coming out that are really only playable online, not having that service pretty much makes that system useless now doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
Agreed. What they should have done is:Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
#1 come out and explain that they are completely having to rebuild the network to secure our identity/safety and explain that they are working very hard but there is no time table and PSN will not be back up until Sony can solve/fix the problem(s)
#2 have a seperate person come out and say due to the undetermined length of the suspension of PSN we are giving all PSN users.... and all PSN+ users ....
#3 say NOTHING until PSN is 100% going to be back online and state when it will be online and what we need to do to get our "free" stuff.
That would have worked for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
It does suck that this situation hasn't been handled correctly at all, but I also realize that they seem to be taking (or so it appears) drastic measures to ensure the safety of us users. In the end had they given us faster information about the breach of our identities and given us less time frames this whole situation wouldn't "feel" as bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by morsdraconis
I'm sure some may leave to go over to XBox Live, but I bet that number is exaggerated as well.
You mean like those people that would "NEVER" buy a Toyota again after the break recall and/or the people that would "NEVER" buy a GM product again after the bail out?Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
Note, I was/am one of the GM people and I did in fact buy a Honda Pilot with the Cash for Clunkers Program ($3500 for my 1999 Blazer with 300,000 + miles on it and worth probably $500 when I traded it in).
So yes there are SOME people that Sony will lose b/c of this. However, the vast majority will return. See GM and Toyota #1 and #2 car manufacturers in the world STILL despite their recent PR fiascos.
For whatever reason this PSN problem hasn't driven me to the I'm going to MS yet. However, if something further crazy happens I COULD see myself switching to the 720 when the next generation of consoles come out.
I'm the opposite. I don't care, I won't leave Sony because someone took down their system. I've driven Toyotas nearly all my life, been the most reliable car I've ever had. 200,000 miles with no maintenance done to them and they won't die. Not to mention the feds proved most of that was driver error...
I don't play online anyone so this hasn't affected me any outside of checking out the store on Tuesdays.
Yep that's pretty much what I'm thinking CLW.
They did that (to an extent).Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
They tried to do that, but people kept clamoring for information.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
It's a lose, lose situation.