E3 2013 - Schedule & General Discussion

[JBHuskers]

Refresh this link!!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BGA9WK2/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00BGA9WK2&linkCode=as2&tag=thegamtai-20

[CLW]

I'm buying 10 :nod:

[Deuce]

Sweet! Where's the amazon link!!?

Edit: thanks JB!
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[GatorfanStovy]

Damn 399 . I'll still go xbox 1

[SCClassof93]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/05/article-2154837-0E83EDA800000578-438_623x487.jpg

[I OU a Beatn]

Come on, Amazon!

[bdoughty]

At its E3 press briefing, Sony confirmed that PlayStation 4 will require PlayStation Plus will be required in order to play games online. This is similar to Microsoft's current approach to online gaming with Xbox Live Gold. Sony also confirmed that you'll be able to play all single-player games as well as use all media services without subscribing to PS+.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/e3-2013-playstation-plus-required-for-ps4-online-play?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Finally Sony fans get immersive multiplayer online gaming.

http://i.imgur.com/k9y5A6o.jpg

[CLW]

MS just got OWNED in every conceivable way tonight!

[JBHuskers]

Refresh this link!!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BGA9WK2/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00BGA9WK2&linkCode=as2&tag=thegamtai-20


Sweet! Where's the amazon link!!?


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Look up :D

[CLW]

Amazon not up yet :smh:

[I OU a Beatn]

Where's Santa Monica's game? That's kind of shitty. That was the whole reason I was watching!

[CLW]

3rd console curse strikes MS :nod:

[CLW]

IGN is SPEECHLESS

[I OU a Beatn]

MS just got OWNED in every conceivable way tonight!

I disagree. Their exclusives are way better and they have a good bit more than Sony does. Other than that, Sony won with the price and the fact they're not imposing limitations (even though publishers will do it for them).

[JBHuskers]

GO GO GO GO GO GO

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BGA9WK2/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00BGA9WK2&linkCode=as2&tag=thegamtai-20

[JBHuskers]

IT'S LIVE

[I OU a Beatn]

It's on Amazon. GO GO GO!

[CLW]

it's live

can't pre-order?

[I OU a Beatn]

Got mine, now I can relax.

[JBHuskers]

Amazon not up yet :smh:

Mine is....I'm already checked out and got e-mail confirm.

[CLW]

Order placed tgt kick back!

[I OU a Beatn]

This is going to be an expensive holiday, that's for sure.

[JBHuskers]

Did it sell out THAT quick? I got e-mail confirm and it's in my placed orders.

[bdoughty]

Mine is....I'm already checked out and got e-mail confirm.

Quick, pre-order one for me. I am disabled and you can probably write it off as a charitable donation.

[CLW]

lmao "we should be objective" IGN after talking about how Sony just owned MS :nod:

[JBHuskers]

lmao "we should be objective" IGN after talking about how Sony just owned MS :nod:

GTTV kinda said the same.

[Deuce]

Boom!! Order placed! :D


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[I OU a Beatn]

I still don't see how they owned anything. Microsoft has the exclusives. Sony has the price and policies which they don't completely have control over. I can't believe they didn't at least tease Uncharted 4 or a new God of War game. I don't think they revealed a single new exclusive we didn't know about.

[GatorfanStovy]

damn u all pre order already. dang hommies u are. ha .

[JBHuskers]

gamestop should take a cue* from amazon....the page even right now loaded just fine for me to preorder....

[CLW]

I still don't see how they owned anything. Microsoft has the exclusives. Sony has the price and policies which they don't completely have control over. I can't believe they didn't at least tease Uncharted 4 or a new God of War game. I don't think they revealed a single new exclusive we didn't know about.

there was one i didn't know about it. was either that werewolf game or somewhere close to it was an exclusive but maybe i'm mis-remembering

[CLW]

ign says the pseye comes with ps4?

[Deuce]

So do we have a solid release date?


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[I OU a Beatn]

The Order 1886. I forgot about that one. Still, compared to Titanfall, Ryse, Dead Rising 3, they don't stack up.

Surely to God they have a new God of War or Uncharted game.

[CLW]

we didn't learn about the hdd size tonight

[JBHuskers]

Such a relief to have a PS4 locked up for launch. Amazon's site was slick, quick, and e-mail confirm right away.

[CLW]

The Order 1886. I forgot about that one. Still, compared to Titanfall, Ryse, Dead Rising 3, they don't stack up.

Surely to God they have a new God of War or Uncharted game.

i concede the ms exclusives tonight were better but i'll GLADLY wait for Naughty Dog's next classic as well as GOW. Also Infamous should be really good and its a sony exclusive. I'm also a Knack guy

[CLW]

Such a relief to have a PS4 locked up for launch. Amazon's site was slick, quick, and e-mail confirm right away.

:nod: no fighting the gangs of houston either. release day shipping for free ftw!

[I OU a Beatn]

i concede the ms exclusives tonight were better but i'll GLADLY wait for Naughty Dog's next classic as well as GOW. Also Infamous should be really good and its a sony exclusive. I'm also a Knack guy

inFAMOUS doesn't come out until 2014. Knack isn't my type of thing. For someone like me, their catalog is really bare.

[JBHuskers]

The Order 1886. I forgot about that one. Still, compared to Titanfall, Ryse, Dead Rising 3, they don't stack up.

Surely to God they have a new God of War or Uncharted game.

One thing with PS+, that might get you streaming access to certain titles, or even all titles. Or they could give you game by game access for free. Word is they might be working on trophies for ALL PS games, 1, 2, 3 & 4.

[Deuce]

PS+ is just $5 per month, correct?


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[JBHuskers]

:)) :)) :)) :)) :))

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/PS4_zps9ac4269d.png

[JBHuskers]

PS+ is just $5 per month, correct?


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$50 a year.

[Deuce]

$50 a year.

Cheap.


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[JBHuskers]

:D CDJ just found this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA

[I OU a Beatn]

One thing with PS+, that might get you streaming access to certain titles, or even all titles. Or they could give you game by game access for free. Word is they might be working on trophies for ALL PS games, 1, 2, 3 & 4.

Eh, I'm not interested in streaming titles. I'm betting that comes as a separate subscription anyway.

I called the charging for online months ago. As I said back then, Sony saw how much Microsoft was making off of Live. In fact, I do believe some fan boys over at N4G I owe a big "I told you so."

[Deuce]

:D CDJ just found this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA

That's good stuff! :D


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[I OU a Beatn]

:D CDJ just found this:

:D

Nice case for Killzone.

[GatorfanStovy]

Still can't believe all of you are pre ordering it already. Dang are you all worried about it selling out week one.

[I OU a Beatn]

Still can't believe all of you are pre ordering it already. Dang are you all worried about it selling out week one.

It probably will - if even that.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMcVkQcCIAEHZEm.jpg:large

It does kind of look like a VCR.

[I OU a Beatn]

They didn't say anything about the hard drive size, did they? Can you use your own?

[LeeSO]

Quick question, if I pre-order through Amazon can I pay it off in increments over time or does pre-ordering it just "save" me one and it charges me $399 on release day?

[JBHuskers]

Still can't believe all of you are pre ordering it already. Dang are you all worried about it selling out week one.

No. I want it DAY ONE.

[JBHuskers]

Quick question, if I pre-order through Amazon can I pay it off in increments over time or does pre-ordering it just "save" me one and it charges me $399 on release day?

Sign up for an Amazon Store Card. It's not VISA or Mastercard, it's their own store credit card type of deal.

[bdoughty]

Quick question, if I pre-order through Amazon can I pay it off in increments over time or does pre-ordering it just "save" me one and it charges me $399 on release day?

It just holds it for you. Amazon does not touch your credit card until the order is processed and ready to ship.

[CLW]

:D CDJ just found this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA

They should do NOTHING but these ads the entire time up to release. :nod:

[JBHuskers]

They should do NOTHING but these ads the entire time up to release. :nod:

Jack was coming hard tonight :D

[LeeSO]

Sign up for an Amazon Store Card. It's not VISA or Mastercard, it's their own store credit card type of deal.
Eh, I'm always iffy when it comes to getting ANY kind of card like that.


It just holds it for you. Amazon does not touch your credit card until the order is processed and ready to ship.
I thought so, what I was asking is if there is any way I can go into my Amazon account and manually pay it off until release day.

[Deuce]

Jack was coming hard tonight :D

Ummm :sick:


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[CLW]

MS trying to explain themselves tomorrow:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxYaLLfPmc0

[I OU a Beatn]

I don't think they have to explain anything. I really don't think this is going to be as big of a deal as people on the internet are making it out to be.

[CLW]

I don't think they have to explain anything. I really don't think this is going to be as big of a deal as people on the internet are making it out to be.

Even if it wasn't "as big of a deal" you should know by now that the interwebs makes everything a big deal. :nod:

[JBHuskers]

Eh, I'm always iffy when it comes to getting ANY kind of card like that.




Yeah....too easy to rack it up :D

[GatorfanStovy]

Again not a big deal. I'm all over the xbox. Just if I had a steady job / income I would pay off xbox one in payments . So no job no pre order for now :(

[LeeSO]

Found an EA Sports PS4 bundle ($579.96, NBA Live 14, Madden 25 & FIFA 14) at Gamestop as well as an NBA Live 14 bundle ($459.98).
http://www.gamestop.com/ps4

[bdoughty]

I thought so, what I was asking is if there is any way I can go into my Amazon account and manually pay it off until release day.

The way you could do it is to purchase Amazon gift cards for yourself. You can set the price and send yourself one every so often until you get to the amount you need for the PS4 and accessories, etc. Bear in mind that Amazon always looks to use gift cards first to pay for any purchase, so you will need to edit any orders between now and PS4 release date to use the CC you have on file with them, instead of the gift card balance.

I use my debit card to do this each month to pay for movies, etc at Amazon. I set a budget on what I plan to buy and send myself a gift card. No interest to worry about and for it works much better than having a bunch of transactions on my bank statement.

[CLW]

The Sony "dream" conference:



Come out and just show a TON of Sony exclusive games (GOW 4; UC4; New Titles; etc...)
No DRM whatsoever
PSN still free
PS+ same price - Gaikai included in + with ability to play old PS1/2/3 titles will be free once they are in the cloud
Price $399.99
Release October 2013


I'd give it a 3.5 out of 5 with 1/2 credit for the exclusives.

[LeeSO]

Yeah....too easy to rack it up :D

Precisely. I think I'll just roll up on my local Gamestop when it opens in the morning and pre order there so I have control over how much I put down and when I can put it down. I just hate that I'll have to fight the hordes on release day.

[I OU a Beatn]

I can't even have fun on N4G. All the "I'll never pay for online" fuckers are now "Plus is a good deal and I LOVE to pay for online."

Damn hypocrites are ruining all my fun. I guess I'll have to read Microsoft articles for bent out of shape people. :D

[CLW]

I can't even have fun on N4G. All the "I'll never pay for online" fuckers are now "Plus is a good deal and I LOVE to pay for online."

Damn hypocrites are ruining all my fun. I guess I'll have to read Microsoft articles for bent out of shape people. :D

Yeah Sony really slipped that one in there. I didn't even notice/remember until someone brought it up after the conference. I think people were just so ecstatic over (1) DRM and (2) price they were willing to forgive the $50/year + for online.

[I OU a Beatn]

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2830/9012525924_811cc88f97_z.jpg

[SCClassof93]

Precisely. I think I'll just roll up on my local Gamestop when it opens in the morning and pre order there so I have control over how much I put down and when I can put it down. I just hate that I'll have to fight the hordes on release day.

Going to use the one in Evans or up by Target? Evans was always easier for me.

[CLW]

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2830/9012525924_811cc88f97_z.jpg


W/o a shadow of a doubt the SEXIEST $399 next-gen console on the market. :nod:

[JBHuskers]

Wonder what that AUX port is.

[I OU a Beatn]

I don't know, I think they're both ugly as hell. :D

Not the point, though, point is it does have an optical input, so at the very least, the sound on your headset will work and not become a $250 paperweight.

[LeeSO]

The way you could do it is to purchase Amazon gift cards for yourself. You can set the price and send yourself one every so often until you get to the amount you need for the PS4 and accessories, etc. Bear in mind that Amazon always looks to use gift cards first to pay for any purchase, so you will need to edit any orders between now and PS3 release date to use the CC you have on file with them, instead of the gift card balamce.

I use my debit card to do this each month to pay for movies, etc at Amazon. I set a budget on what I plan to buy and send myself a gift card. No interest to worry about and for it works much better than having a bunch of transactions on my bank statement.
I did not even think about this. Thanks, I just pre ordered mine.:up:

[LeeSO]

Going to use the one in Evans or up by Target? Evans was always easier for me.

Damn, you got me!! I didn't know anyone knew where Grovetown was? It's actually in Grovetown, next to Wal-Mart. A newer Wal-Mart. It may not have been here when you were here. I've only been in this area for a year.

[SmoothPancakes]

I can't even have fun on N4G. All the "I'll never pay for online" fuckers are now "Plus is a good deal and I LOVE to pay for online."

Damn hypocrites are ruining all my fun. I guess I'll have to read Microsoft articles for bent out of shape people. :D

Yeah, that's cracking me up. People used to go on and on about how PS was free and Xbox Live Gold is $50 a year or whatever. But now $50 for PS+, well, now it's awesome. :D Never fails to crack me up.

[steelerfan]

I'd assume that you would have access to patches, roster updates, tuning, etc. without being a PS+ member. Any confirmation on this?

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[SmoothPancakes]

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2830/9012525924_811cc88f97_z.jpg

God, it looks even uglier as hell from behind. :smh: Who the fuck was smoking crack at Sony when they designed that abomination?

[I OU a Beatn]

I'd assume that you would have access to patches, roster updates, tuning, etc. without being a PS+ member. Any confirmation on this?

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

I'm sure you can do all of that with a free account.

[SCClassof93]

Damn, you got me!! I didn't know anyone knew where Grovetown was? It's actually in Grovetown, next to Wal-Mart. A newer Wal-Mart. It may not have been here when you were here. I've only been in this area for a year.

Yeah, that area was building up when we moved out here. I lived over on the good side of the river in SC :D Enjoy the summer :smh:

[I OU a Beatn]

God, it looks even uglier as hell from behind. :smh: Who the fuck was smoking crack at Sony when they designed that abomination?

Yeah, both Microsoft and Sony need to fire whoever designed both of those. I mean, I have never seen uglier electronic devices in my life.

[JBHuskers]

I'd assume that you would have access to patches, roster updates, tuning, etc. without being a PS+ member. Any confirmation on this?

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

The way they worded things I'd say yes.

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[SCClassof93]

God, it looks even uglier as hell from behind. :smh: Who the fuck was smoking crack at Sony when they designed that abomination?

Spend a lot of time looking at the ass of electronics? :D

[steelerfan]

I'm sure you can do all of that with a free account.

I would assume so.

Thanks.

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[LeeSO]

Yeah, that area was building up when we moved out here. I lived over on the good side of the river in SC :D Enjoy the summer :smh:

My wife and I just moved here last June after we got married. The one thing I like so far is that there are no fucking Gnats here. Down home (Leesburg, GA.) the Gnats are terrible and I hate fucking Gnats.

[SmoothPancakes]

Spend a lot of time looking at the ass of electronics? :D

Only when pulling them out and moving them around to find what space I can for a new electronic on my entertainment center. :D

[cdj]

God, it looks even uglier as hell from behind. :smh: Who the fuck was smoking crack at Sony when they designed that abomination?

I'm "hoping" that is to aid in moving air out/through the console and keep it cool.

As IOU said, both are pretty ugly. Maybe IRL they look better, but I just hope they aren't dust magnets (but probably will be).

[I OU a Beatn]

but I just hope they aren't dust magnets (but probably will be).

Unfortunately, that'll be the worst part. They both have glossy parts on them.

[SmoothPancakes]

I'm "hoping" that is to aid in moving air out/through the console and keep it cool.

As IOU said, both are pretty ugly. Maybe IRL they look better, but I just hope they aren't dust magnets (but probably will be).

Yeah, about the only thing Xbox One has going for it in look is that it generally stays with the same shape from the Xbox through the 360 and now Xbox One. PS4, I have no clue what the hell they were going for when they designed that. Yeesh.

[cdj]

Yeah, about the only thing Xbox One has going for it in look is that it generally stays with the same shape from the Xbox through the 360 and now Xbox One. PS4, I have no clue what the hell they were going for when they designed that. Yeesh.

I saw this online.....don't shoot the messenger.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMcrJQhCYAACpf_.jpg

[I OU a Beatn]

:D

The funny thing is that it actually is shaped like an eraser.

[GatorfanStovy]

So hmm a lot of you are Sony buyers eh . Should of known :fp: I'm the weird one I guess.

[SmoothPancakes]

:D Funny, but still ugly as hell, even from the side. ;)

[bdoughty]

I saw this online.....don't shoot the messenger.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMcrJQhCYAACpf_.jpg


Don't deliver the message if you do not want to get shot. ;)

Can't wait for...

www.thePS4gamingtailgate.com
www.weonlytailgatewithaPS4.com

[Escobar]

I just pre-ordered my PS4. Was going to wait til NCAA release, but Destiny looked f'n amazing and free Drive Club. I'm already a plus member so no problem there.

[cdj]

Don't deliver the message if you do not want to get shot. ;)

Can't wait for...

www.thePS4gamingtailgate.com
www.weonlytailgatewithaPS4.com

We are currently leading towards www.tailgaterslovePS4play.com

[bdoughty]

We are currently leading towards www.tailgaterslovePS4play.com

Put me down for a bumper sticker and beer koozie when you decide.

[I OU a Beatn]

We are currently leading towards www.tailgaterslovePS4play.com

I'll double my donation!

[cdj]

Put me down for a bumper sticker and beer koozie when you decide.

We're leaning towards a custom trailer hitch cover.

[cdj]

I usually don't laugh at Wikipedia edits, but.... (http://kotaku.com/by-the-time-you-read-this-wikipedia-will-probably-chan-512509206)

[bdoughty]

We're leaning towards a custom trailer hitch cover.

That would go nicely with my bumper dumper (http://www.bumperdumper.com/images/road8.jpg).

[JBHuskers]

Another credit to CDJ for finding this :D :D :D

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18qgblyccwgc2png/k-bigpic.png

[JBHuskers]

buahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahaha

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18qgcbnpvo8tsgif/ku-medium.gif

[SCClassof93]

That would go nicely with my bumper dumper (http://www.bumperdumper.com/images/road8.jpg).

Use that at work?:D

[SmoothPancakes]

:D

[bdoughty]

Use that at work?:D

We are farmers, so technically, yes.

[CLW]

GameFly lives on PS4. If I were GameFly I would discontinue the rentals of 360 games now. :nod:

[I OU a Beatn]

GameFly lives on PS4.

If publishers allow it.

[CLW]

If publishers allow it.

wow everyone is making online mmos now?

[I OU a Beatn]

No, just stating the obvious that everyone is overlooking. How are people going to rent games if publishers decide to require a game pass code to be entered? Just because Sony doesn't incorporate their own thing doesn't mean a thing. Why would EA block used games on Xbox (if they do) and not block them on PS4? They could very easily eliminate used games by simply requiring a code to be entered before being allowed to be played. I've been saying this for weeks.

Whether or not they do that is up to them, but we wont know for sure until they announce what they're plans are.

[JBHuskers]

If publishers allow it.

I dunno if it will be up to the publishers on PS4. Seemed pretty adamant from E3.

[CLW]

I dunno if it will be up to the publishers on PS4. Seemed pretty adamant from E3.

Yeah how can they require a code if the console never has to be online to check. They would have to announce it before hand its online only I suppose and then watch the backlash and sales hit the shitter.

[cdj]

Somewhat related to E3: Next week is "Video Game Week" on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon. I would expect Xbox One & PlayStation 4 to make appearances, among some other high-profile games.

[I OU a Beatn]

I've posted a quote about 5 times now of Sony saying "we won't require it, it will be up to the publishers." That never changed. I'm not saying they will do it (I do, however, think they will), but they have full power to require a code to be entered before a game can be played (or something similar).

Just like how Sony said you wont need to be connected to the internet to play games. Not necessarily true, as that's also up to the publisher as evidenced by The Crew requiring a constant connection.

[JBHuskers]

Why produce a joke video about how to do used games on PS4 if it is left up to the publisher? Online passes may still exist, but no DRM = no DRM

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[I OU a Beatn]

Because Sony itself isn't doing it? It would be the publisher. It wont be an online pass either. They tried those and that didn't work, hence why EA abolished those. If anything, they'll be a code that blocks the whole game if not entered, or it'll require a constant connection to a 3rd party verification system like Origin or UPlay.

[CLW]

I personally think its between JB's NO DRM and IOU's everything is going to be DRM anyway. I think if a publisher makes a game that is online only (i.e. an MMO) obviously DRM could come into play.

EA I suppose could take "connected dynasty/franchise" and say well its online only now and thus make it DRM to play Madden/NCAA but boy Sony really slapped down MS and publishers tonight with this stance.

Sony did really all anyone could ask for a hardware manufacturer to do stand up for its customer when its #1 competitor would not and used that fact against it to apparently get a ton of new exclusives with that $

[JBHuskers]

This seems pretty clear cut to me....

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/PS4E3_zps8be42316.png

Sony intended on doing the opposite of XBOX, so why say this, and then say well.....you might have to pay for it.

[CLW]

Well kiddies I am off to bed. I think I posted most of the stuff I saw today that looked pretty interesting (but I missed most of MS' conference) so I probably missed a few vids/titles worth noting.

As a Sony "fan boy" I'm elated. I had all but resigned myself to the "IOU" argument but I believe "my" argument has apparently carried the day. Sony appears to have bet the house on this no DRM thing as well as a lower price point. It looks like we are going to see which "model" wins. I just hope PS4 comes out and crushes XBoxOne and it joins the likes of DreamCast.

[bdoughty]

Why produce a joke video about how to do used games on PS4 if it is left up to the publisher? Online passes may still exist, but no DRM = no DRM



This was from February but I have not seen where they have said anything different.


Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that." (Emphasis added.)

[I OU a Beatn]

Unless every single publisher in the world blocks used games, then you would be able to trade in certain games. Besides, why would Sony come out and say "we're letting it up to the publishers, so you MIGHT be able to play used games." They designed their system to allow the use of used games, so that's what they're saying. If publishers want to use a system that eliminates used games, why should Sony take bad publicity? With Sony's stance on it, if publishers do it, publishers get all the bad publicity.

I'll post this one more time:


UPDATE: More relief... At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that.

If publishers want to block used games, they 100% absolutely can.

[LeeSO]

Just to be clear, since I pre ordered, I am guaranteed a PS4 when it comes out? Right?

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtubfzgRujE

[bdoughty]

I'll post this one more time

Beaten like a redheaded stepchild. :P

[I OU a Beatn]

Only cause I used more words!

[bdoughty]

Just to be clear, since I pre ordered, I am guaranteed a PS4 when it comes out? Right?

I would imagine with Amazon you are safe. Especially pre-ordering day one.

[bdoughty]

Only cause I used more words!

Words, overrated.

[JBHuskers]

44 pages of E3 talk. Nice.

[JBHuskers]

Unless every single publisher in the world blocks used games, then you would be able to trade in certain games. Besides, why would Sony come out and say "we're letting it up to the publishers, so you MIGHT be able to play used games." They designed their system to allow the use of used games, so that's what they're saying. If publishers want to use a system that eliminates used games, why should Sony take bad publicity? With Sony's stance on it, if publishers do it, publishers get all the bad publicity.

I'll post this one more time:



If publishers want to block used games, they 100% absolutely can.

Things could have also changed since this morning. They saw many ways to strike a blow and went with it.

[SCClassof93]

Words, overrated.

And meaningless with Navy fans :D

[cdj]

Just to be clear, since I pre ordered, I am guaranteed a PS4 when it comes out? Right?

Like bdoughty said, I think you are safe. The PS4 listing says that if you select FREE Two-Day Shipping at checkout, you will get it the day it comes out.

Also, I saw some tweets earlier referencing supply numbers for the Xbox One on Amazon, so it appears they will not sell more than they can deliver. (Or they are trying not to, at least.)

[I OU a Beatn]

Things could have also changed since this morning. They saw many ways to strike a blow and went with it.

I don't think anything changed. As said back in February, they won't require any DRM. As of today and now officially, they still wont require it. But again, that does not mean that publishers can't implement their own thing.

I think Sony did what any company would. They saw their opponent was aggressively implementing a very controversial feature, they knew they technically weren't implementing it themselves, so they used that to their advantage. However, just because Sony says you'll be able to play used games, doesn't mean that publishers will agree, especially when Sony came right out and said it will be up to the publishers to decide.

I gave you another perfect example of this earlier. Sony also said you will not need the internet whatsoever to play games. That's another case of "unless the publisher requires it." The Crew, for example, is already an online required game, that does not only need to be connected to the internet, but will absolutely not function unless you are connected.

[steelerfan]

I don't think anything changed. As said back in February, they won't require any DRM. As of today and now officially, they still wont require it. But again, that does not mean that publishers can't implement their own thing.

I think Sony did what any company would. They saw their opponent was aggressively implementing a very controversial feature, they knew they technically weren't implementing it themselves, so they used that to their advantage. However, just because Sony says you'll be able to play used games, doesn't mean that publishers will agree, especially when Sony came right out and said it will be up to the publishers to decide.

I gave you another perfect example of this earlier. Sony also said you will not need the internet whatsoever to play games. That's another case of "unless the publisher requires it." The Crew, for example, is already an online required game, that does not only need to be connected to the internet, but will absolutely not function unless you are connected.

I can't understand why anyone would argue with what you're saying, IOU. I guess some people are just so attached to their rentals that they are willing to see/hear things as they see fit. :dunno:

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[bdoughty]

I can't understand why anyone would argue with what you're saying, IOU. I guess some people are just so attached to their rentals that they are willing to see/hear things as they see fit. :dunno:

They fear a negative strike against their beloved. More about defending the mothership Sony than anything.

[JBHuskers]

I can't understand why anyone would argue with what you're saying, IOU. I guess some people are just so attached to their rentals that they are willing to see/hear things as they see fit. :dunno:

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

It's more than just rentals. Buying from Gamefly is basically buying brand new when it comes to the PS3, at a much cheaper price, even has online passes unused.

It's about getting some money back when you buy a game.

If a publisher institutes DRM, they're going to hang themselves. People won't buy until the price goes down. So if they were losing to Gamestop before, they're going to lose to lower prices later.

[JBHuskers]

They fear a negative strike against their beloved. More about defending the mothership Sony than anything.

Has nothing to do with that.

[steelerfan]

They fear a negative strike against their beloved. More about defending the mothership Sony than anything.

Guess so. :dunno:

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[bdoughty]

Has nothing to do with that.

Just my 2 cents and was not exactly directed at you. You can ignore users but when people quote ignored users, you still see that.

[JBHuskers]

They fear a negative strike against their beloved. More about defending the mothership Sony than anything.

I've had a 360 and a PS3 since 2008. Eventually I'll own both the PS4 and the XB1.

[I OU a Beatn]

If a publisher institutes DRM, they're going to hang themselves. People won't buy until the price goes down. So if they were losing to Gamestop before, they're going to lose to lower prices later.

I don't know how people would react to it. I know how the people on the internet would act, but they're just a vocal minority. PC gaming has the "you need a code to play the game" and it's doing just fine. Diablo 3 was a double edged sword with a serial AND having to be connected at all times and it sold like hotcakes. I'm pretty sure the new Sims game was the same way (and actually required you to download Origin to boot) and it still sold well.

I think publishers will test it. If it sells well, they're going to keep doing it. If it doesn't, then I think they'll stop it. However, I don't think it matters. In theory, online passes should have caused a huge protest (and it did, for awhile). But, after awhile, people got used to and just dealt with it, which is exactly what I think would happen if publishers started testing the waters.

Like I said, I don't know if they will, I just know that they can. If I was a betting man, though, I'd say a few of them at least try it (Ubisoft, EA, and Activision would be the likely candidates).

[bdoughty]

I've had a 360 and a PS3 since 2008. Eventually I'll own both the PS4 and the XB1.

http://i.imgur.com/gKNTZ5U.jpg

[I OU a Beatn]

For the record, though, I hope I'm wrong.

I just know that it's all but guaranteed to happen on the Xbox One (plus EA striking deals with Microsoft because of that leads me to believe they're definitely considering doing it) and I don't see any reason whatsoever to block used games on one platform and then turn around and allow it on the other. IF used games end up getting block on Xbox One, they're getting blocked on PS4.

[CLW]

Som convo re: the freezes/lag about whether it was an HDD issue:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maYHV5XD8Tk

[oweb26]

For the record, though, I hope I'm wrong.

I just know that it's all but guaranteed to happen on the Xbox One (plus EA striking deals with Microsoft because of that leads me to believe they're definitely considering doing it) and I don't see any reason whatsoever to block used games on one platform and then turn around and allow it on the other. IF used games end up getting block on Xbox One, they're getting blocked on PS4.



:+1:

[CLW]

Just throwing it out there but maybe Sony's move forces MS/Publishers to reconsider their stance and this whole DRM thing stops (at least until the next gen when everything will be a download).

I suppose there is also the possibility that publishers could charge more for PS4 games than XB1 games to compensate them for their "loss" of no used games on PS4.

Sony was brilliant last night even if IOU turns out to be right (I do NOT think he is or will be given Sony's stance at the conference) Sony still gets 100% credit and 0% blame where all the blame will fall on MS and the publishers.

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cA2f6zZ84g

[morsdraconis]

Som convo re: the freezes/lag about whether it was an HDD issue:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maYHV5XD8Tk

I'm sorry, but fuck them for acting like wanting to know the harddrive size and write speed is nerdy and referencing a REALLY shitty movie in the process.

[morsdraconis]

Also, I bit the bullet and preordered the PS4. We'll see if it stays.

I missed almost all of the show last night, but, is December 31st just a placeholder for the release date of the PS4 or is it a definitive date for it's release?

[CLW]

Also, I bit the bullet and preordered the PS4. We'll see if it stays.

I missed almost all of the show last night, but, is December 31st just a placeholder for the release date of the PS4 or is it a definitive date for it's release?

Yeah no release date given yet still "Holidays 2013"

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeEVWbbKMkM

[CLW]

:D CDJ just found this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA

1.6 million views in not even 10 hours. :nod:

[CLW]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMd-uUxCMAIZ8tr.jpg:large

[CLW]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMcvpftCEAA1w2x.jpg:large

[steelerfan]

It's more than just rentals. Buying from Gamefly is basically buying brand new when it comes to the PS3, at a much cheaper price, even has online passes unused.

It's about getting some money back when you buy a game.

If a publisher institutes DRM, they're going to hang themselves. People won't buy until the price goes down. So if they were losing to Gamestop before, they're going to lose to lower prices later.

Americans are impulse buyers, most won't wait for anything. I don't believe there would be a massive backlash - maybe short term, but people would move on. Besides, if you're confident publishers would "hang themselves", why waste energy arguing on it? Just let it happen, let them hang themselves, and let them come begging you to buy their product used again.

If you're not so confident, start a petition. ;)

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[Deuce]

I guess I missed this... Is PS4 backwards compatible?


Typed by thumbs.

[cdj]

I guess I missed this... Is PS4 backwards compatible?


Typed by thumbs.

No. Though at some point, older games may be playable via a streaming service.

[cdj]

Nintendo Direct presentation begins at 7 AM PT. Click here to watch (http://e3.nintendo.com/).

[JBHuskers]

Nintendo Direct presentation begins at 7 AM PT. Click here to watch (http://e3.nintendo.com/).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

[GatorfanStovy]

Yea seriously JB . What is Nintendo gonna wow any one with ? I dunno but damn I would be sleeping if I was the rest of the conference . Damn Xbox and Sony killed it yesterday. Why even try Nintendo.

[souljahbill]

I'm interested. I don't need to be "WOW'd." I just need a solid fun game. Nintendo makes those.

[SCClassof93]

I'm still trying to decide if I had more fun in this thread yesterday or the 3 ring circus smooth, bdoughty and I created in the announcement thread :D.....BTW the bears are still dancing in there this morning :nod:

[SCClassof93]

Far as drm I see both sides to the issue, however the developers will have a much harder time without a hardware system in place to back it up :nod:

[SmoothPancakes]

I'm still trying to decide if I had more fun in this thread yesterday or the 3 ring circus smooth, bdoughty and I created in the announcement thread :D.....BTW the bears are still dancing in there this morning :nod:

:D :D :D

While I had a lot of fun in this thread, I think the 3 ring circus wins for me. :D

[SCClassof93]

:D :D :D

While I had a lot of fun in this thread, I think the 3 ring circus wins for me. :D

:nod:

[baseballplyrmvp]

i've ignored most of the conversation here....why is the xbox one requiring you to log once every 24 hours?

[JBHuskers]

Far as drm I see both sides to the issue, however the developers will have a much harder time without a hardware system in place to back it up :nod:

Yeah that VGChartz article I posted stated there was no system support for such a deal. I think Online passes could still exist, because those use PSN codes. But as for used DRM, I'm not seeing how.

[morsdraconis]

i've ignored most of the conversation here....why is the xbox one requiring you to log once every 24 hours?

Because Microsoft decided that's what you had to do as a form of DRM to prevent piracy.

[CLW]

Because Microsoft decided that's what you had to do as a form of DRM to prevent piracy.

Or to prevent you from buying a used game (at least easily) or prevent you from renting a game or prevent you from bringing your game over to a friend's house and letting him borrow it. You know stuff that has been going on since video games were invented. :nod:

[I OU a Beatn]

Just throwing it out there but maybe Sony's move forces MS/Publishers to reconsider their stance and this whole DRM thing stops (at least until the next gen when everything will be a download).

It wont. Microsoft's entire console is built around the idea of being online. It also wont stop the publishers. If they want to block used games, they will. Simple as that.

[CLW]

It wont. Microsoft's entire console is built around the idea of being online. It also wont stop the publishers. If they want to block used games, they will. Simple as that.

Well we shall see. It looks like the "battle" I wanted is going to take place now time to find out which is greater supply or demand.

[I OU a Beatn]

Far as drm I see both sides to the issue, however the developers will have a much harder time without a hardware system in place to back it up :nod:

No they won't. Require a constant internet connection or just require a serial to be entered before you can even access the game. Boom, used games eliminated.


Yeah that VGChartz article I posted stated there was no system support for such a deal. I think Online passes could still exist, because those use PSN codes. But as for used DRM, I'm not seeing how.

I told you how last night. Constantly connected to the internet and having to register a code that would be validated when you signed in. If you're not signed in or you don't have a code, you don't play. Considering a lot of these companies already have their own systems, I doubt it would be all that much trouble to implement.

Again, I'm not saying they will. I just think people are being a little ignorant to the fact that just because Sony doesn't have a system built in doesn't mean that publishers can't eliminate used games themselves. They can and I guarantee you they already have methods of doing so.

[JBHuskers]

No they won't. Require a constant internet connection or just require a serial to be entered before you can even access the game. Boom, used games eliminated.



I told you how last night. Constantly connected to the internet and having to register a code that would be validated when you signed in. If you're not signed in or you don't have a code, you don't play. Considering a lot of these companies already have their own systems, I doubt it would be all that much trouble to implement.

Again, I'm not saying they will. I just think people are being a little ignorant to the fact that just because Sony doesn't have a system built in doesn't mean that publishers can't eliminate used games themselves. They can and I guarantee you they already have methods of doing so.

And I'm sure Sony has jurisdiction to say no as well considering it's their console.

[I OU a Beatn]

I'm sure they do. I'm also sure they wont. There's already games that require a constant connection to the internet. The writing is in big bold letters right on the wall and you guys are just choosing to ignore it. I hope it turns out that used games aren't blocked, but I think you should prepare for the possibility that some of them will be. As I said before, if they're going to do it on the Xbox One, why in the world would they not do it on the PS4? Doesn't make any sense as to why they wouldn't.

I don't even get what the argument even is. I mean, read this a few times:


UPDATE: More relief... At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that

"We wont require it and any need for registration would be left up to game publishers." Does that sound to you like Sony would stop them if they wanted? To me, it sounds like if the publisher wants to require registration, they absolutely can. Sony isn't going to do a thing if they decide to, either.

[CLW]

Using quotes from back in February versus using quotes from last night. Hmmm which one is more likely to be true.... :nod:

I personally think Sony decided after they saw the blow back against MS to change course and to use the issue to their advantage.

Will EA just go with everything online and re-institute the online pass (going against its word)? Possibly but they better be prepared for the severe blow back.

I'll tell you right now if/when they do that I'm done with them period. They are trying to create a false market instead of competing for profits in a free and open one. I'll play adventure games and other titles and just take my $ and spend it elsewhere.

[I OU a Beatn]

Using quotes from back in February versus using quotes from last night. Hmmm which one is more likely to be true.... :nod:

I personally think Sony decided after they saw the blow back against MS to change course and to use the issue to their advantage.

Will EA just go with everything online and re-institute the online pass (going against its word)? Possibly but they better be prepared for the severe blow back.

I'll tell you right now if/when they do that I'm done with them period. They are trying to create a false market instead of competing for profits in a free and open one. I'll play adventure games and other titles and just take my $ and spend it elsewhere.

What? They're exactly the same. The quote in February said "Sony itself will not block used games but we're leaving it up to publishers." During the conference, he said "we will not restrict used games or trading games in." Unless he said we are not allowing publishers to do so (and he most certainly didn't), then those quotes are the same.

They didn't change their course, either. Back in February, they were not blocking used games but were instead leaving it up to the publisher. Here we are in June and they're still not blocking used games but are instead leaving it up to the publisher. It's the same policy was set back in February.

There wont be an online pass. Those did NOT work how the publisher wanted. They also said they were eliminating those. They're either bringing something way more restrictive like a code that needs to be entered into PSN to register the game and if you don't have the code, you don't just lose access to online, you lose access to the whole game, or they could just as easily require the game to be constantly connected and if you're not registered or connected, you don't play. There's unlimited number of ways for them to block used games.

They would most certainly receive lots of backlash. However, just like all the backlash over the online pass, I'm confident people would just forget about it and move on.

[CLW]

PS4 "hotter" than XBoxOne on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames

[I OU a Beatn]

Well...it has been sold out for about 8 hours now, so...:D

[SmoothPancakes]

Well...it has been sold out for about 8 hours now, so...:D

:D Yeah, considering it is impossible to order/pre-order the Xbox One on Amazon right now, makes sense that PS4 would take over the top spot of the hotter items since people can actually still place a order on it.

[morsdraconis]

What? They're exactly the same. The quote in February said "Sony itself will not block used games but we're leaving it up to publishers." During the conference, he said "we will not restrict used games or trading games in." Unless he said we are not allowing publishers to do so (and he most certainly didn't), then those quotes are the same.

They didn't change their course, either. Back in February, they were not blocking used games but were instead leaving it up to the publisher. Here we are in June and they're still not blocking used games but are instead leaving it up to the publisher. It's the same policy was set back in February.

There wont be an online pass. Those did NOT work how the publisher wanted. They also said they were eliminating those. They're either bringing something way more restrictive like a code that needs to be entered into PSN to register the game and if you don't have the code, you don't just lose access to online, you lose access to the whole game, or they could just as easily require the game to be constantly connected and if you're not registered or connected, you don't play. There's unlimited number of ways for them to block used games.

They would most certainly receive lots of backlash. However, just like all the backlash over the online pass, I'm confident people would just forget about it and move on.

I guarantee you that that won't be the case. They thought that was going to be the case with the new DRM that game companies were using on PC games a while back. What ended up happening was people stopped buying the games that used them. Now, of course, that was because the DRM for a legitimate game was preventing people that had copies of the game from being able to play it because the DRM was built stupidly, but it's the same idea. People that have legitimate copies of the game would be prevented from playing them because of silly DRM issues.

You can't tell me that the first time an EA game forces someone to be online to play the game (even though Sony CLEARLY said during the press conference last night that online was not required to play their games), there won't be a ginormous backlash from that subset of customers, because there most definitely will be. Then, once they figure out that it's the EA game causing the issue and not the PS4 in general (when they put in another game and it lets them play, for instance), that's going to be a subset of customers that won't be buying anymore EA games for the PS4 and money lost because of a stubborn ideal of how games should work.

[CLW]

Well...it has been sold out for about 8 hours now, so...:D

Maybe the awesome folks at Amazon KNEW they would need more PS4s to satisfy demand. :nod:

[I OU a Beatn]

You can't tell me that the first time an EA game forces someone to be online to play the game (even though Sony CLEARLY said during the press conference last night that online was not required to play their games), there won't be a ginormous backlash from that subset of customers, because there most definitely will be. Then, once they figure out that it's the EA game causing the issue and not the PS4 in general (when they put in another game and it lets them play, for instance), that's going to be a subset of customers that won't be buying anymore EA games for the PS4 and money lost because of a stubborn ideal of how games should work.

It's not EA's game, but The Crew already requires a constant internet connection, so we're not going to have to wait too long to find out how much of a backlash there's going to be on a game like that.

But I do agree, I think there's going to be backlash. However, as long as they don't have Sim City-like problems with it, I don't think it'll affect sales. If there's major problems, then I think over time that publisher's games would probably start to see some impact from that.

Obviously, we don't know yet if publishers are going to do something like that or not, so we'll have to wait and see. The only thing that I know for absolute certain is that they have the ability to do it if they choose to.

[I OU a Beatn]

Maybe the awesome folks at Amazon KNEW they would need more PS4s to satisfy demand. :nod:

Well Sony and Microsoft only allot them so many. Considering Sony started a lot earlier on this, it's quite possible Sony is better ready for the massive demand than Microsoft is (I don't know that - I'm just speculating).

[CLW]

Well Sony and Microsoft only allot them so many. Considering Sony started a lot earlier on this, it's quite possible Sony is better ready for the massive demand than Microsoft is (I don't know that - I'm just speculating).

That could EASILY be true as well. I seem to recall an article with "sources" indicating MS was behind in production.

[JBHuskers]

With The Crew, it's basically like an MMO, it's an ONLINE game which is why it requires an ONLINE connection. Doesn't mean you have to pay extra for a used version.

[I OU a Beatn]

With The Crew, it's basically like an MMO, it's an ONLINE game which is why it requires an ONLINE connection. Doesn't mean you have to pay extra for a used version.

You probably wont have to pay extra for a used game. I didn't mean that. I meant that Sony also said "you'll never have to connect to the internet to play games." In the case of The Crew, that isn't necessarily true. I was using that as an example of how Sony worded things last night but still left it in the hands of the publishers to ultimately decide. They worded things to reflect they weren't FORCING publishers to do it, but are rather leaving it up to them.

[CLW]

With The Crew, it's basically like an MMO, it's an ONLINE game which is why it requires an ONLINE connection. Doesn't mean you have to pay extra for a used version.

No but I suspect that publisher could require you to buy an online pass (just like on PS3). Basically I think PS4 is just like PS3 on DRM.

[SmoothPancakes]

You probably wont have to pay extra for a used game. I didn't mean that. I meant that Sony also said "you'll never have to connect to the internet to play games." In the case of The Crew, that isn't necessarily true. I was using that as an example of how Sony worded things last night but still left it in the hands of the publishers to ultimately decide. They worded things to reflect they weren't FORCING publishers to do it, but are rather leaving it up to them.

That's the way I read it. Sony won't force anything on publishers, and they probably won't have anything like it in regards to their own in-house games, but each publisher will be free to do what they want (always online, codes, etc). So ultimately, it will come down to what the publisher wants to do, and Sony will just stand to the side. That's how I understood it. Which makes me almost prefer MS' methods, because then there's a standard for all publishers and you know what to expect. With Sony, it could and very well may be different from publisher to publisher, so you have to be careful with regards to various games you purchase and from what publishers. Something that Joe Public may end up finding out the hard way.

[I OU a Beatn]

No but I suspect that publisher could require you to buy an online pass (just like on PS3). Basically I think PS4 is just like PS3 on DRM.

There's a billion different ways they could do it. Take for example EA. They have Origin, right? What if they include some serial that has to be entered into Origin to activate it to your Origin account, and then you have to be online to play it. No serial? No play. No internet connection (at least at the beginning to check the Origin license)? No play.

I'm just guessing there but they could definitely do something like that. When you start a game like Assassin's Creed 3 or Far Cry 3 now, you're signed into Ubisoft's service UPlay. It's definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

[I OU a Beatn]

With Sony, it could and very well may be different from publisher to publisher, so you have to be careful with regards to various games you purchase and from what publishers. Something that Joe Public may end up finding out the hard way.

The potential is there. I don't know if it'll ever happen, mainly because those companies would get shit on 24/7 from angry mobs of internet gamers, but it's definitely possible.

[JBHuskers]

Again, don't you think Sony could have final jurisdiction and say no, you can't do that?

[SmoothPancakes]

There's a billion different ways they could do it. Take for example EA. They have Origin, right? What if they include some serial that has to be entered into Origin to activate it to your Origin account, and then you have to be online to play it. No serial? No play. No internet connection (at least at the beginning to check the Origin license)? No play.

I'm just guessing there but they could definitely do something like that. When you start a game like Assassin's Creed 3 or Far Cry 3 now, you're signed into Ubisoft's service UPlay. It's definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

Yep, I've seen UPlay woven into all of Ubisoft's games that I've played. Not much to stop them from turning it into a DRM for all their next-gen games where you have to enter codes or be online and connected to play.

[I OU a Beatn]

Again, don't you think Sony could have final jurisdiction and say no, you can't do that?

They've already said they're leaving it up to the publisher, though, so they've already said what their stance on that is. If publishers want to block used games, it's their choice to do so. There's really nothing there to speculate on "will Sony let them do that?" because Sony has already said yes.

[JBHuskers]

They've already said they're leaving it up to the publisher, though, so they've already said what their stance on that is. If publishers want to block used games, it's their choice to do so. There's really nothing there to speculate on "will Sony let them do that?" because Sony has already said yes.

And that could have changed since February.

[CLW]

There's a billion different ways they could do it. Take for example EA. They have Origin, right? What if they include some serial that has to be entered into Origin to activate it to your Origin account, and then you have to be online to play it. No serial? No play. No internet connection (at least at the beginning to check the Origin license)? No play.

I'm just guessing there but they could definitely do something like that. When you start a game like Assassin's Creed 3 or Far Cry 3 now, you're signed into Ubisoft's service UPlay. It's definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

That may be Sony did their part as far as I am concerned. When/if a publisher does it and I think they are doing it for an unjustified reason (EA Sports) I simply won't buy the product.

[CLW]

Well here is our answer (up to publishers) - same as PS3

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/e3-2013-ps4-used-game-restrictions-up-to-publishers

[I OU a Beatn]

I guess if we live in a fairy land, it could have. But we don't. We live in the real world. That policy is exactly the same as it was in February. I knew the second they started talking about it last night using terms like "WE will not block used games" that it was the same policy. Besides, this isn't something new. Publishers had the power to do that this generation if they wanted. The used games thing really didn't become a problem until about midway through this generation, which is when we saw the online pass.

It's the publishers' games. If they want to implement some kind of check system into their game, there really isn't much Sony can do about it. I guess they could refuse the game to be on their system, but let's be real - they're not going to do that.

[JBHuskers]

Well here is our answer (up to publishers) - same as PS3

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/e3-2013-ps4-used-game-restrictions-up-to-publishers

Key part of that:


Publishers of PS4 games, then, can do what's already done on existing PlayStation software: Limit or lock content behind online passes or redemption codes (or opt out of restrictions altogether), which differs from Microsoft's limited licensing of Xbox One software

Again points to the online passes.

[CLW]

I guess if we live in a fairy land, it could have. But we don't. We live in the real world. That policy is exactly the same as it was in February. I knew the second they started talking about it last night using terms like "WE will not block used games" that it was the same policy. Besides, this isn't something new. Publishers had the power to do that this generation if they wanted. The used games thing really didn't become a problem until about midway through this generation, which is when we saw the online pass.

It's the publishers' games. If they want to implement some kind of check system into their game, there really isn't much Sony can do about it. I guess they could refuse the game to be on their system, but let's be real - they're not going to do that.

Yep I'm fine with this. When EA brings back Online Pass (or the same or worse renamed). I'm out. There are too many other (and better) games for me to spend my free time with.

I buy my EA games new but I'm not going to support a company creating false markets for a product that obviously isn't up to snuff to get the profits they feel they are entitled to.

[I OU a Beatn]

Yeah, but that online pass could potentially block the whole game. That's what I'm saying. You very well could end up EXACTLY like the One in which there are no used games because they're all behind a one time use serial key.

[CLW]

Key part of that:



Again points to the online passes.

They are very different.

XB1 - EVERY game has that ridiculous rules/regs about used games and "always on"

PS4 - Publisher has to institute its own ridiculous rules/regs make them known to their consumer and watch the sales not come in.

[JBHuskers]

Yeah, but that online pass could potentially block the whole game. That's what I'm saying. You very well could end up EXACTLY like the One in which there are no used games because they're all behind a one time use serial key.

But I can still get the game from Gamefly since their codes are unused. Which is the only thing where this whole used game market pertains to me, well outside when I sell on eBay.

[CLW]

Yeah, but that online pass could potentially block the whole game. That's what I'm saying. You very well could end up EXACTLY like the One in which there are no used games because they're all behind a one time use serial key.

Well I'll go with the indie titles and the free PS+ games. I'm not kidding I'm not supporting companies that pull this crap and treat their customers like garbage and deny them the ability to re-sell a product. A concept that has been a given since the dawn of commerce.

[CLW]

But I can still get the game from Gamefly since their codes are unused.

Yep rent the game from GameFly day one. A week later buy it "used" for $45 and they will mail you the box and code to you. Now a publisher could require a code to play anything in which case noone could rent it but I dounbt anyone (other than EA) will try to pull a stunt like that.

[psuexv]

They are very different.

XB1 - EVERY game has that ridiculous rules/regs about used games and "always on"

PS4 - Publisher has to institute its own ridiculous rules/regs make them known to their consumer and watch the sales not come in.

But as IOU has said, how many publishers do you really think that are going to allow used games on one system and not the other?

[JBHuskers]

Yep rent the game from GameFly day one. A week later buy it "used" for $45 and they will mail you the box and code to you. Now a publisher could require a code to play anything in which case noone could rent it but I dounbt anyone (other than EA) will try to pull a stunt like that.

Yeah it's just going to be business as usual. Which is okay with me.

[I OU a Beatn]

But I can still get the game from Gamefly since their codes are unused. Which is the only thing where this whole used game market pertains to me, well outside when I sell on eBay.

I don't know...I don't think they would stock a game that only has a one time code for the WHOLE game. I know they did with games that only had an online pass, but I don't know if they would distribute a a game that has all of it's content blocked by a code that could have been potentially used. I don't know, though, that's something they would have to decide on. They'd only be able to send it out to one customer, so I don't see the point in that.

[JBHuskers]

But as IOU has said, how many publishers do you really think that are going to allow used games on one system and not the other?

Publishers of PS4 games, then, can do what's already done on existing PlayStation software: Limit or lock content behind online passes or redemption codes (or opt out of restrictions altogether), which differs from Microsoft's limited licensing of Xbox One software

The two systems are completely different. On PS4, they're going to have to go the Online Pass route.

[psuexv]

But I can still get the game from Gamefly since their codes are unused.

This isn't necessarily true. We have no idea how the code will be needed. If you need a code to just play the game and not an online pass then Gamefly won't have unused codes. We won't know until the publisher releases the details of how they are going to handle it.

[I OU a Beatn]

Publishers of PS4 games, then, can do what's already done on existing PlayStation software: Limit or lock content behind online passes or redemption codes (or opt out of restrictions altogether), which differs from Microsoft's limited licensing of Xbox One software

The two systems are completely different. On PS4, they're going to have to go the Online Pass route.

That's not what that says.

Publishers of PS4 games, then, can do what's already done on existing PlayStation software: Limit or lock content behind online passes or redemption codes (or opt out of restrictions altogether), which differs from Microsoft's limited licensing of Xbox One software

There's 2 different things there. It says they can lock content. That content could potentially be an entire game behind one of those redemption codes. They are not only talking about online passes.

[CLW]

But as IOU has said, how many publishers do you really think that are going to allow used games on one system and not the other?

IMHO you and IOU keep believing in "Supply" (publishers will force this down consumers throats like it or not) over "Demand" (consumers simply will not buy a DRM product)

Publishers can do what they want but if they force some ridiculous DRM restriction on their game the game simply will NOT sell very well on PS4. PS4 is going to have a base of consumers now who care about this issue a great deal and so Publishers can do what they like but they could easily be giving up a ton of profits.

[I OU a Beatn]

IMHO you and IOU keep believing in "Supply" (publishers will force this down consumers throats like it or not) over "Demand" (consumers simply will not buy a DRM product)

Publishers can do what they want but if they force some ridiculous DRM restriction on their game the game simply will NOT sell very well on PS4. PS4 is going to have a base of consumers now who care about this issue a great deal and so Publishers can do what they like but they could easily be giving up a ton of profits.

I'm not saying they're going to do it or not. I'm just saying they can. Personally, I do think some of them are going to try it, but unless there's massive online problems, I don't think it'll affect sales. People said the exact same thing about online passes this generation and that didn't affect sales at all.

[psuexv]

Publishers of PS4 games, then, can do what's already done on existing PlayStation software: Limit or lock content behind online passes or redemption codes (or opt out of restrictions altogether), which differs from Microsoft's limited licensing of Xbox One software

The two systems are completely different. On PS4, they're going to have to go the Online Pass route.

You actually have no idea what they are going to HAVE to do. There's a lot of vague words being thrown out there by PS. I understand what you are saying but all I'm saying is I can see what IOU is saying in the fact that a publisher would probably want to limit used games on both systems if they are being limited on one.

[CLW]

I'm not saying they're going to do it or not. I'm just saying they can. Personally, I do think some of them are going to try it, but unless there's massive online problems, I don't think it'll affect sales. People said the exact same thing about online passes this generation and that didn't affect sales at all.

Well we can argue cause/effect if you like but game sales have been going down ever since the implementation of these codes.

[I OU a Beatn]

Yeah, they're not going to block them on one system and not the other. No way. They're either blocking them on both or not at all, and considering EA's partnership with Microsoft over this whole thing, which way do you think the largest video games publisher in the world is leaning?

[psuexv]

IMHO you and IOU keep believing in "Supply" (publishers will force this down consumers throats like it or not) over "Demand" (consumers simply will not buy a DRM product)

Publishers can do what they want but if they force some ridiculous DRM restriction on their game the game simply will NOT sell very well on PS4. PS4 is going to have a base of consumers now who care about this issue a great deal and so Publishers can do what they like but they could easily be giving up a ton of profits.

While I understand that theory, it will never happen. Consumers will continue to buy no matter what. We forget that the biggest market for gaming systems are the younger generation and parents will buy them whatever they want to play their games.

[JBHuskers]

Well we can argue cause/effect if you like but game sales have been going down ever since the implementation of these codes.

And if you start blocking the full game, you're not really going to help the bottom line. People will just wait til the price of a new game gets cheaper on Amazon. It's not going to help first week sales by blocking access without a code or DRM. It's just like going to the movie theatre. People quit going because it was cheaper to wait and watch it on the own home entertainment system because it got too expensive.

[CLW]

Well this convo is going nowhere. JB and I see it as just PS3 policy continued on PS4 (which is substantially different from XB1) you guys think all/most publishers are just going to ban used games on their own with all sorts of crazy DRM rules/regs.

We shall see what happens but no publishers that pulls some stunt like that will EVER get my $60.

[JBHuskers]

Yeah, they're not going to block them on one system and not the other. No way.

It's not impossible.

[SmoothPancakes]

It's not impossible.

Not impossible, but improbable.

[CLW]

I would note the comments in the IGN article indicate that the Sony guy said more than IGN quoted as.

I'll quote the post b/c he allegedly was watching the GTTV interview:


PS4 still supports used games, so multiple people can play the same copy of a game with out the authorization, certain retailer nonsense of the xbox one.This is about how people play games online.
Sony said, that they don't have the flaws the xbox one has. But, developers can control how people play games online.
Jack fully said this in the interview... I just watched it live.
Basically online passes, and how MMO's are supposed to be online.

I didn't see the interview but that's definitely more JB/CLW school than IOU school.

[I OU a Beatn]

And if you start blocking the full game, you're not really going to help the bottom line. People will just wait til the price of a new game gets cheaper on Amazon. It's not going to help first week sales by blocking access without a code or DRM. It's just like going to the movie theatre. People quit going because it was cheaper to wait and watch it on the own home entertainment system because it got too expensive.

It wont help or hurt first week sales, and yes, just like people, people will most certainly wait for the price to drop. It's not about that. It's about second hand sales. You buy a used game now for $30. That's $30 the publisher doesn't get. You finish it and then you trade it in towards another title. You get $15 trade in credit. You buy another used game for $30. They technically just missed out on another $45. That is what they want to eliminate.

This stuff isn't going to affect first week sales, but if they implement it, it will end up making them more money in the process.


It's not impossible.

I would go as far to say it is. If they blocked used games on Microsoft and not Sony, then all the Microsoft people are pissed. Besides, blocking games on one system and not the other is about as stupid as only selling your games on one system. On one system you'd be making FULL potential profit and on the other, you'd still be losing money on used games. That literally makes zero sense whatsoever. If they block used games on the Xbox One (and so far, no one has said they will, but that wont come out until later), then they're going to block the same ones on PS4.



I didn't see the interview but that's definitely more JB/CLW school than IOU school.

All of that stuff still falls into the "if the publisher allows it" thing I've been saying. Do you mean to tell me the PS4 is going to somehow magically allow a game to be played without being authorized when the publisher requires it to be authorized?

This is 100% with the publisher. Jack Tretton is not involved, he's just talking about how it's designed. If the publishers want to require authorization, whether it be a serial code locking the whole game or requiring a constant connection, they can. I don't understand what's so hard to understand about all of this. This isn't my opinion, this is a FACT stated by Sony themselves. The absolutely ONLY debatable opinion in all of this is whether or not publishers will actually do this. Sony allowing publishers free reign to decide for themselves though, is 100% fact.

[JBHuskers]

I didn't see the interview but that's definitely more JB/CLW school than IOU school.

Who said I'm going to the same school as you? :P :D

[psuexv]

And if you start blocking the full game, you're not really going to help the bottom line. People will just wait til the price of a new game gets cheaper on Amazon. It's not going to help first week sales by blocking access without a code or DRM. It's just like going to the movie theatre. People quit going because it was cheaper to wait and watch it on the own home entertainment system because it got too expensive.

Yet movies are still breaking records for sales :dunno:

[CLW]

MS blocking used games and think raping women is funny....

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57588725/e3-audience-offended-by-rape-joke-at-microsoft-xbox-one-event/

[I OU a Beatn]

:fp:

[JBHuskers]

Yet movies are still breaking records for sales :dunno:

Key word. Sales. Tickets prices have skyrocketed from 10 and 20 years ago. Butts in seats, probably not breaking records.

[JBHuskers]

People who took that as a rape joke are ones that call the FCC cuz they saw part of Janet Jackson's boob.

[CLW]

Key word. Sales. Tickets prices have skyrocketed from 10 and 20 years ago. Butts in seats, probably not breaking records.

Shhh......

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

[SmoothPancakes]

The Atlantic Wire and Rebecca Greenfield. :D That pretty much discredits any claim they might make.

[JBHuskers]

Shhh......

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

First movie from the 2000's:
27 Marvel's The Avengers BV $609,539,700 $623,357,910 2012

:D

[CLW]

First movie from the 2000's:
27 Marvel's The Avengers BV $609,539,700 $623,357,910 2012

:D

Avatar was at like 14.

[JBHuskers]

Avatar was at like 14.

:D guess it's time for me to go home zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[I OU a Beatn]

People who took that as a rape joke are ones that call the FCC cuz they saw part of Janet Jackson's boob.

:D

Yeah, I didn't even notice it during the conference, but having read the dialogue, I really don't see the big deal. Of course that douche bag Jonathan Blow would say something. He's the biggest joke in the entire industry as far as I'm concerned. Sends me into a fit of rage every time I read something he said.

[JBHuskers]

She probably wanted it anyways.

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[SmoothPancakes]

She probably wanted it anyways.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 4 Beta

Don't let Rebecca Greenfield find out about that post. :D :D :D

[CLW]

Who knew TGT was just full of Republicans. :smh:

[psuexv]

Key word. Sales. Tickets prices have skyrocketed from 10 and 20 years ago. Butts in seats, probably not breaking records.

But isn't that what a company is worried about? It's all about the bottom line.

[CLW]

But isn't that what a company is worried about? It's all about the bottom line.

Yes and no. When you just for inflation/the time value of money only 1 movie in the last 13 years is even in the Top 20. A $1 in 1930 was worth A WHOLE LOT MORE than $1 in 2013.

[CLW]

3rd Party Accessories:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/nyko-debuts-accessories-for-xbox-one-and-ps4

[I OU a Beatn]

I'll be buying a battery pack for my One controller, but that's about as far as I go when it comes to accessories. I'm sure that phone clip will just be busting with quality.

[GatorfanStovy]

Hm boring accessories so far meh. Whats up with attachment to the ps4 controller and the phone or touch pad?

[CLW]

I'll be buying a battery pack for my One controller, but that's about as far as I go when it comes to accessories. I'm sure that phone clip will just be busting with quality.

Yeah I presume Dual Shock 4 has the same plug into the front/back of the system to charge which is fine with me.

I also don't anticipate using much smart glass but if I did it would be on a tablet and not a 3 inch screen.

[CLW]

Hm boring accessories so far meh. Whats up with attachment to the ps4 controller and the phone or touch pad?

BOTH PS4 and XB1 are going to have apps that allow you to use any smart phone/tablet with games (or at least its possible if the developer develops for that feature).

[psuexv]

Yes and no. When you just for inflation/the time value of money only 1 movie in the last 13 years is even in the Top 20. A $1 in 1930 was worth A WHOLE LOT MORE than $1 in 2013.

I understand what you are saying and yes Gone with the Wind has made more "money" than any movie ever. But I don't really see movies today complaining that they only made $400 million

[GatorfanStovy]

BOTH PS4 and XB1 are going to have apps that allow you to use any smart phone/tablet with games (or at least its possible if the developer develops for that feature).

OH ok so kind of like the xbox 360 smart glass app then.

[CLW]

I understand what you are saying and yes Gone with the Wind has made more "money" than any movie ever. But I don't really see movies today complaining that they only made $400 million

Sure they make money but the money making power of movies has been in decline for some time (See the link).

JB's point was that decline is due (at least in part) to higher ticket prices so consumers stay home. I agree it definitely has had an affect on both the # of people going to the movies and the amount of profit they make off of them.

Some have argued that video games need to go up in price to make up for the increased costs. Its really a supply demand thing. If you raise the price you by default will lower demand. The key is to find the "perfect" price where demand stays high maximizing profit. It's ok to lose "some" people for a price being too high IF the price to get those consumers to come would be so low that there wouldn't be any additional profit made.

[CLW]

OH ok so kind of like the xbox 360 smart glass app then.

Exactly. I'm pretty sure XB1 and PS4 on the same of this. You download the app (either PS4 or XB1) for Android or IOS. You fire that up and register your account and then I guess it knows the games in your library or when your playing a game and so it would potentially give you the ability to play on the tablet instead of the console or view a map for instance instead of it being on the screen etc....

[SmoothPancakes]

I understand what you are saying and yes Gone with the Wind has made more "money" than any movie ever. But I don't really see movies today complaining that they only made $400 million

Yeah, I haven't heard any production companies complaining about "only" $400 million. I've heard plenty of game companies crying about sellling "only" a couple million units. Of course for me, it's not just the prices of tickets and concessions (which are just fucking ridiculous these days), but also that most movies look like shit and I personally find stupid as fuck. There have only been a handful of movies in recent years that tempted me with willingly getting bent over by the local movie theater to see them. The rest, hell, I probably still wouldn't even watch them after they come out on Netflix or Redbox.