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fool stamps? :fp:
Now I would support said government entitlement a.k.a. dependency programs if we named them the truth! :nod:
souljahbill
09-27-2012, 05:07 PM
Don't try too hard to sound like elitist. Not everyone on food stamp is a fool or a mooch.
Don't try too hard to sound like elitist. Not everyone on food stamp is a fool or a mooch.
All Reps/Conservatives are just elitist 1%ers that's how we get roughly 1/2 the vote give or take every election. :nod:
True but a BIG % of them are. See any "Man on the Street" video at/near unemployment line. :nod:
EDIT: Apparently our "Fool Stamp" lady with the "Obama Phone" is a paid SEIU thug being driven around the country to protest Romney Ryan rallies.
Wait how is someone makin' that cash $ gettin' the free Obama phone and free Fool Stamps?
bdoughty
09-27-2012, 06:25 PM
Don't try too hard to sound like elitist. Not everyone on food stamp is a fool or a mooch.
No, but a lot of them are. Many of those are people who would prioritize spending money on drugs instead of food. You want to cut a lot of the problem do mandatory drug testing for anyone on a government program. Fail the drug test and lose the benefits.
Our country is giving out too many damn fish and not enough fishing poles.
No, but a lot of them are. Many of those are people who would prioritize spending money on drugs instead of food. You want to cut a lot of the problem do mandatory drug testing for anyone on a government program. Fail the drug test and lose the benefits.
Our country is giving out too many damn fish and not enough fishing poles.
That's Racist!!!!!! :smh:
skipwondah33
09-28-2012, 08:44 AM
No, but a lot of them are. Many of those are people who would prioritize spending money on drugs instead of food.Soo that is what people have to worry about how they are viewed when they need assistance?
Glad my Mother didn't have to otherwise she would have been viewed as a drug addict taking benefits.
Though I do agree the system is being abused as I know some people of both races who did or currently still do. Neither are on drugs though.
Soo that is what people have to worry about how they are viewed when they need assistance?
Glad my Mother didn't have to otherwise she would have been viewed as a drug addict taking benefits.
Though I do agree the system is being abused as I know some people of both races who did or currently still do. Neither are on drugs though.
Yeah people SHOULD worry how they are viewed when they REQUIRE the government to give them "freebies" to survive. If that isn't a clear sign that something has/is going terribly WRONG in your life I don't know what would/does.
Look lots of people legitimately need help (i.e. the TRULY mentally physically disabled not the I have a hang nail so I am filing for disability). I have ZERO problems helping out the truly needy but there is no way in hell that roughly 1/2 the country is TRULY mentally/physically not capable of holding down a job.
Bottom line, IF "we" lose this election Obama is going to either immediately drive us into a depression or the depression will follow shortly after. NO society can survive with the debt we have and when over 1/2 the country is in the bag for wanting/needing more government help.
Buy your food and guns now before its too late...
skipwondah33
09-28-2012, 10:40 AM
Yeah people SHOULD worry how they are viewed when they REQUIRE the government to give them "freebies" to survive. If that isn't a clear sign that something has/is going terribly WRONG in your life I don't know what would/does.
Look lots of people legitimately need help (i.e. the TRULY mentally physically disabled not the I have a hang nail so I am filing for disability). I have ZERO problems helping out the truly needy but there is no way in hell that roughly 1/2 the country is TRULY mentally/physically not capable of holding down a job.
Bottom line, IF "we" lose this election Obama is going to either immediately drive us into a depression or the depression will follow shortly after. NO society can survive with the debt we have and when over 1/2 the country is in the bag for wanting/needing more government help.
Buy your food and guns now before its too late...So you have to be mentally and physically disabled to need help? Thats the only way?
Growing up my Mom and I could have used help, shes neither physically or mentally disabled. Shit was rough growing up and doing without. Instead of taking "help" because she figured there was always someone else out there who needed it more than us...she never took any. You can so pride, stubbornness or whatever but she never did. Simply got a 2nd job AND even still that didn't no way completely cover things that were needed like owning a vehicle, always having food or preventing disconnections of services, etc.
I had friends Mothers that needed and did take help. Majority of times that I've witnessed it, it was in single-parent situations.
but guess neither truly needed it since they weren't disabled in some way.
JBHuskers
09-28-2012, 10:43 AM
Just a hunch, but I highly doubt I'll need to rush out to horde food and guns.
SCClassof93
09-28-2012, 10:52 AM
So you have to be mentally and physically disabled to need help? Thats the only way?
Growing up my Mom and I could have used help, shes neither physically or mentally disabled. Shit was rough growing up and doing without. Instead of taking "help" because she figured there was always someone else out there who needed it more than us...she never took any. You can so pride, stubbornness or whatever but she never did. Simply got a 2nd job AND even still that didn't no way completely cover things that were needed like owning a vehicle, always having food or preventing disconnections of services, etc.
I had friends Mothers that needed and did take help. Majority of times that I've witnessed it, it was in single-parent situations.
but guess neither truly needed it since they weren't disabled in some way.
Skip, I agree with you that some folks need help. I however do not believe it is the role of government to take by force from one and give to another. Charity is not charity if it is forced. Big government has destroyed the family unit and due to its massive size most are not left with enough to be "charitable" to strangers.
So you have to be mentally and physically disabled to need help? Thats the only way?
Growing up my Mom and I could have used help, shes neither physically or mentally disabled. Shit was rough growing up and doing without. Instead of taking "help" because she figured there was always someone else out there who needed it more than us...she never took any. You can so pride, stubbornness or whatever but she never did. Simply got a 2nd job AND even still that didn't no way completely cover things that were needed like owning a vehicle, always having food or preventing disconnections of services, etc.
I had friends Mothers that needed and did take help. Majority of times that I've witnessed it, it was in single-parent situations.
but guess neither truly needed it since they weren't disabled in some way.
Sounds to me like your mother did it RIGHT and worked hard and relied upon herself and not the government to determine her outcome in life. We are ALL born equal (i.e. we all have opportunity to PURSUE happiness) but we will NOT ALL end up the same (i.e. we are NOT guaranteed happiness). Believe it or not my life growing up probably wasn't all that much different from yours.
However, I was taught to rely on myself and that if I work hard AND smart (note just b/c you work hard doesn't guarantee you anything in life you have to make intelligent decisions as well) you can become/do anything you want. My wife was very similar situation growing up "lower middle class" and now we are EVIL 1%s in our early 30s.
Just a hunch, but I highly doubt I'll need to rush out to horde food and guns.
The scenario isn't as far fetched as you think it is. We are basically Europe but only a few years away from the problem. When the US debt crisis comes there is going to be nowhere to hide and the government will be forced to RAISE taxes and CUT the dependency programs (medicare; medicade; social security are ALL basically ponzi schemes just waiting to go broke) all the while the economy/stock market collapses. The "47%" will riot (how dare you take away my free Obama phone, flat screen, food and health care!) and mass chaos will ensue. Anyone that has saved/prepared will need to protect themselves from the losers and need supplies to survive off of.
skipwondah33
09-28-2012, 11:29 AM
Sounds to me like your mother did it RIGHT and worked hard and relied upon herself and not the government to determine her outcome in life. We are ALL born equal (i.e. we all have opportunity to PURSUE happiness) but we will NOT ALL end up the same (i.e. we are NOT guaranteed happiness). Believe it or not my life growing up probably wasn't all that much different from yours.
However, I was taught to rely on myself and that if I work hard AND smart (note just b/c you work hard doesn't guarantee you anything in life you have to make intelligent decisions as well) you can become/do anything you want. My wife was very similar situation growing up "lower middle class" and now we are EVIL 1%s in our early 30s.But even still it shouldn't be looked at as wrong that people that really need the help and aren't disabled, take it. You can work your hardest and still come up short. That goes for anything in life.
IMO my Mother or anyone else in similar or worse situations shouldn't be looked at as in the wrong. My wife and her 3 siblings grew up the same as I did, which is why my wife and I get along so well because we literally had similar early life experiences. For example to this day neither of us can eat certain things (Ramon noodles, pork and beans) because we've probably ate upwards of $100,000 in both growing up.
Now I will say this, and my wife and I have discussed it plenty of times. She stays at home with our son since he's been born 2 years ago. I make pretty good money to pay our bills, but it does get tough at times. She started using coupons 3 years ago to help and it has made a difference (not that silly crap you see on coupon crazy or whatever the show is called). She has said that people on food stamps should have a shopping plan or some sort of the things that they can only buy. I see alot of times people with a cart full of junk food and that's it. Nothing that you would say could make a meal or let alone that should be feed all to the kids. And even possibly have to use coupons for things to atleast show that you are trying to make an effort.
I think we can both agree on some of the things dealing with government help. I too don't like seeing the system abused, while others are working hard or the ones that really need it can't get it.
But even still it shouldn't be looked at as wrong that people that really need the help and aren't disabled, take it. You can work your hardest and still come up short. That goes for anything in life.
This disagreement between real conservatives and moderates to liberals is the who "really needs the help" from GOVERNMENT. From what you described your mom didn't "really" need help at least from a conservative perspective. As described, she is perfectly physically/mentally capable of supporting herself and her family and through hard work some smart decisions she will likely better her life and the life of her family.
Nor did my mother who worked a full-time job during the day (as well as some part time jobs of cleaning houses and selling makeup) while going to school at night to better her/her family's life to become a school teacher.
A "conservative" would view it as belittling/demeaning to my mom/your mom to give them help from the GOVERNMENT that they "really" didn't need. Again, people are free to do what they want with their own money on their own (i.e. "charity").
The second disagreement is becoming bigger and bigger and it is the IDEA that we are all entitled to EQUAL OUTCOMES in life regardless of the choices made and the various levels of talent someone has. Liberals believe in this Utopia that we should all just share all the money and spread the wealth around equally and live in peace and harmony. Of course, it all sounds grand until reality comes into play and proves/shows that if you give ZERO incentive to do great things great things will NEVER happen. We NEED unequal outcomes in life b/c otherwise society will NEVER advance otherwise.
Another reason to take the conservative view is that private charities are much better/efficient at helping others than the government. (1) it is MUCH easier to trick/defraud the HUGE government than it is to trick/defraud a local group of volunteers - i.e. they can determine the moochers from the honest/decent people that just need some temporary help; (2) private charities can ensure that the help they give doesn't become an addiction/dependency better than the HUGE government.
IF I didn't pay the amount of taxes I currently pay for such government programs. I could actually HIRE someone who most likely isn't in as good of shape financially as I currently am to clean my place; mow my yard; etc... The amount of taxes I pay for these dependency programs would pay for at least one (and probably more) full time workers to do things that my busy schedule makes it a "pain" for me to do.
http://www.investors.com/image/RAMFNLclr-092712-teens-IBD-.jpg.cms
bdoughty
09-28-2012, 04:52 PM
Soo that is what people have to worry about how they are viewed when they need assistance?
Glad my Mother didn't have to otherwise she would have been viewed as a drug addict taking benefits.
Though I do agree the system is being abused as I know some people of both races who did or currently still do. Neither are on drugs though.
Both races? There are only two now? What do the races have to do with anything? Are you making the assumption I am selecting a certain demographic in my comments? Just look at Greece and Spain, two completely different groups of race that have been spoiled by entitlement based societies.
Here is a little thought for you to ponder over. People sure have to worry about it when they are looking for a JOB, even most GOVERNMENT jobs. You go out looking for a job and most companies drug test to screen out drug addicts, they tend to be on the bottom tier of quality employees. Why is it wrong for the Government to do the same in regards to assistance? Why should anyone's tax dollars be used to support someones drug addiction?
bdoughty
09-28-2012, 06:08 PM
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/09/28/homeland-security-to-issue-policy-memo-on-illegal-immigrants-with-legal-same-sex-partners/
Illegal Immigrants With American Same-Sex Partners May Get Deportation Reprieve
Review: :fp::fp::fp::fp::fp: out of :fp::fp::fp::fp::fp:
JeffHCross
09-29-2012, 01:45 PM
Since this is the propaganda thread ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikSlR7JWiIY
bdoughty
09-29-2012, 06:35 PM
Since this is the propaganda thread ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmG_J9bDlYo
Edited for accuracy and as usual, a liberal Hollywood actor keeps it classy.
Gotta admit, using italics when trying to make a point is so fun that I just italicized the whole thing.
JeffHCross
09-30-2012, 12:44 AM
...
I just use italics a lot :D
skipwondah33
10-01-2012, 11:52 AM
Both races? There are only two now? What do the races have to do with anything? Are you making the assumption I am selecting a certain demographic in my comments? Just look at Greece and Spain, two completely different groups of race that have been spoiled by entitlement based societies.
Here is a little thought for you to ponder over. People sure have to worry about it when they are looking for a JOB, even most GOVERNMENT jobs. You go out looking for a job and most companies drug test to screen out drug addicts, they tend to be on the bottom tier of quality employees. Why is it wrong for the Government to do the same in regards to assistance? Why should anyone's tax dollars be used to support someones drug addiction?Nope I made the comment because I personally know a few people from two races that benefit from the system. I personally can't speak for any other race outside of those because I do not personally know of someone in said race doing so.
My statement had nothing to do with assumption from your post.
And I agree there should be stricter pre-qualifications.
It seems apparently easy and has been for some time. Have a child/children=get things paid for. Girl I knew had a simple plan 10 years ago, in fact she told me in a jokingly manner "guess I need to have a child to get things"......well shortly after saying that she had a child...got a nice place to live for basically pennies and got her education paid for. Not only that but pretty sure she got money after getting out of the government funded program...nice piece of change from what I hear of that program doing. That plan seemed to be by any means necessary...which was why I wasn't dumb enough to fall for being a part of it.
Despite cases such as those there are still people who need help and are not on drugs or mentally/physically disabled.
Despite cases such as those there are still people who need help and are not on drugs or mentally/physically disabled.
NO!
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
Our problem is our Government is only concerned with continuing to give mentally/physically "normal" people "free fish" and isn't forcing/teaching/training them to learn how to fish for themselves.
When one does it it allows people to rely 100% on the government and occupy themselves "doin' blow" or just mooching around on the couch watching cable tv on their 60" flat panel and calling up their friends on their Obama phone.
JBHuskers
10-01-2012, 12:32 PM
FOX News likes to show live suicides, is there some sort of a tie-in here? :D
bdoughty
10-01-2012, 01:24 PM
NO!
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
Our problem is our Government is only concerned with continuing to give mentally/physically "normal" people "free fish" and isn't forcing/teaching/training them to learn how to fish for themselves.
When one does it it allows people to rely 100% on the government and occupy themselves "doin' blow" or just mooching around on the couch watching cable tv on their 60" flat panel and calling up their friends on their Obama phone.
Dude, I already made the fishing reference, stop stealing my lines. :P
skipwondah33
10-01-2012, 01:55 PM
or just mooching around on the couch watching cable tv on their 60" flat panelI have also witnessed that as well . Some are better off than my wife and I.
That still doesn't leave me pissed off at the system.
Even the guy that got rid of Tebow endorses Romney over Obama
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/john-elway-endorses-romney_653345.html
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/barack-obama-rally-cold-open/1418895/
bdoughty
10-02-2012, 03:16 PM
Good old Biden, the human gaffe.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/biden-adds-paul-ryan-to-percent-attack-137240.html?hp=f2
Biden: Middle class 'has been buried the last four years'
Forget about the Presidential debates, the Vice presidential debate on the 11th is going to be :popcorn: worthy. Poor Biden will be hiding under his podium by the time Ryan is through with him.
Good old Biden, the human gaffe.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/biden-adds-paul-ryan-to-percent-attack-137240.html?hp=f2
Biden: Middle class 'has been buried the last four years'
Forget about the Presidential debates, the Vice presidential debate on the 11th is going to be :popcorn: worthy. Poor Biden will be hiding under his podium by the time Ryan is through with him.
LMAO yeah Ryan just has to shut up and let Biden talk and then say "I agree Joe".
Also it appears that a video re: Obama from 6 years ago is going to surface TONIGHT!:popcorn:
Get your :popcorn: ready apparently the Obama video that is going to be released tonight deals with race.
LMAO what do you think he is saying here?
http://drudgereport.com/ors.jpg
bdoughty
10-02-2012, 05:30 PM
This should be fun. Drudge teasing.
THE ACCENT... THE ANGER... THE ACCUSATIONS... THE SERMON...
THE SHOUT OUT TO REV. WRIGHT, WHO IS IN AUDIENCE...
FOXNEWS 9 PM ET...
'We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs'...
bdoughty
10-02-2012, 05:32 PM
'My pastor, the guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me. He's a friend and a great leader. Not just in Chicago, but all across the country'..
Doom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrjSqK7xPLE
bdoughty
10-02-2012, 05:37 PM
Not a good day for the President.
http://politics.kfyi.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=104707&article=10463116
Obama denied requests for increased security in Benghazi
“In addition, multiple U.S. federal government officials have confirmed to the Committee that, prior to the September 11 attack, the U.S. mission in Libya made repeated requests for increased security in Benghazi. The mission in Libya, however, was denied these resources by officials in Washington.”
'We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs. We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods'...
'Need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office'...
'For nearly 40 minutes, using an accent he never adopts in public, Obama describes a racist, zero-sum society, in which the white majority profits by exploiting black America'... Developing tonight...
Sounds like Rev. Wright to me. Mmmmmh Mmmmh Mmmmh BHO!
So basically in front of an all black audience Obama tells them America is racist and out to get you and when he knows "white America" will be watching he says Wright is wrong and he condemns him.
Wow even Stewart knows how ridiculous Obama admin is covering up their mistakes leading up to the death of 4 Americans:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-october-1-2012/american-terror-story
SCClassof93
10-03-2012, 12:01 PM
So basically in front of an all black audience Obama tells them America is racist and out to get you and when he knows "white America" will be watching he says Wright is wrong and he condemns him.
Hard to "lawyer" your way out of calling the man "counselor". The company you keep says a lot about who you are.
Hard to "lawyer" your way out of calling the man "counselor". The company you keep says a lot about who you are.
Meh "just some guy in the neighborhood" You know that domestic terrorist that I started my political career with.
EDIT: Apparently there are more tape(s) coming that will be leaked over the next 5 weeks.
http://drudgereport.com/rg.jpg
LMAO that guy should open up a chain of gas stations in TX he'd be one popular dude.
SmoothPancakes
10-03-2012, 05:56 PM
Some bombshell. :eyeroll: A 5 year old video of a speech by Obama while presidential candidate, with journalists present, that was reported on by the media back then, and has been available on youtube for years, yet the dude who went running to Faux News with the video is bringing it out now because" it hasn't been reported on until now, I know, because I reported on it when it happened 5 years ago." Romney and the rest of the Repugs are REALLY getting desperate now. :fp: Let me guess, next step will be to rekindle the stupid shit with the birth certificate in one or two weeks.
Romney OWNED Obama tonight w/o his crutch/teleprompter its like Superman in a room full of Kryptonite. Even the liberals at MSNBC are pouting you know its bad when the socialists cannot talk about thrills up their legs. :nod:
http://images.politico.com/global/2012/10/screen_shot_2012-10-03_at_101203_pm.png
http://images.politico.com/global/2012/10/screen_shot_2012-10-03_at_101559_pm.png
http://images.politico.com/global/2012/10/screen_shot_2012-10-03_at_101939_pm.png
http://images.politico.com/global/2012/10/screen-shot-2012-10-03-at-103022-pm.jpg
LOL Obama looks like a beaten/tired man while Romney looks energetic and engaged
The "thrill" is GONE!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/chris_matthews_freaks_out_at_obama_after_debate_ro mney_was_winning.html
http://youtu.be/1dWMQ0syP8w
Wait what campaign do you work for again?
bdoughty
10-03-2012, 10:38 PM
Some bombshell. :eyeroll: A 5 year old video of a speech by Obama while presidential candidate, with journalists present, that was reported on by the media back then, and has been available on youtube for years, yet the dude who went running to Faux News with the video is bringing it out now because" it hasn't been reported on until now, I know, because I reported on it when it happened 5 years ago." Romney and the rest of the Repugs are REALLY getting desperate now. :fp: Let me guess, next step will be to rekindle the stupid shit with the birth certificate in one or two weeks.
(sent using an Obama phone) :P
Interesting how the video available on youtube all these years was only 9 minutes out of the 40 with most of the juicy bits removed.
Faux News? Repugs? :fp:
bdoughty
10-03-2012, 10:43 PM
"What was he doing tonight?" Chris Matthews
I was amazed he did not cry. Romney kicked ass and even Chris Matthews had to bow his head in shame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z303YXnQDKU
Edit: Just saw your post CLW but it never hurts to have a youtube clip for all the Democrats here to watch without having to click a link. I go out of my way to work with those on the other side of the political isle. ;) ;)
"What was he doing tonight?" Chris Matthews
I was amazed he did not cry. Romney kicked ass and even Chris Matthews had to bow his head in shame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z303YXnQDKU
Edit: Just saw your post CLW but it never hurts to have a youtube clip for all the Democrats here to watch without having to click a link. I go out of my way to work with those on the other side of the political isle. ;) ;)
Romney = "Winning" to quote Charlie Sheen :nod:
LMFAO!
HURT: Obama the debater: Making Jimmy Carter look awesome
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/3/hurt-obama-debater-making-jimmy-carter-look-awesom/
Not debatable: Obama stumbled
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/81999.html?hp=t1_3
Obama snoozes and loses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82001.html?hp=l1
SCClassof93
10-04-2012, 05:18 AM
Why is it with education (it is important) we need more money for better teachers (again important) but with healthcare we need to "lower" costs? Don't we want good/better Doctors and more of them? Is health not more important? Basically we need more money poured into a shitty government education system but lower the financial incentive to the most successful Doctors in the world. Sad.
In the end, both men are collectivists in philosophy....just a difference in degree.
How in the world anyone not employed by some form of government, public education institution, media or unemployed can vote for the president is beyond me.......well not really.....we are seeing the results of the majority being "educated" by government. :fp:
SCClassof93
10-04-2012, 05:29 AM
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. ~Winston Churchill
morsdraconis
10-04-2012, 07:14 AM
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. ~Winston Churchill
Exactly. Thus, I don't vote. Voting is meaningless anyway. The US Government is run like a business where they try to fuck someone out of money before they get fucked instead of actually doing what's right and good for the general populous. Until that is no longer the case (won't be because nothing that is run like a business ever stops being ran like a business), my vote doesn't mean shit.
baseballplyrmvp
10-04-2012, 09:30 AM
Why is it with education (it is important) we need more money for better teachers (again important) but with healthcare with need to "lower" costs? Don't we want good/better Doctors and more of them? Is health not more important? Basically we need more money poured into a shitty government education system but lower the financial incentive to the most successful Doctors in the world. Sad.
In the end, both men are collectivists in philosophy....just a difference in degree.
How in the world anyone not employed by some form of government, public education institution, media or unemployed can vote for the president is beyond me.......well not really.....we are seeing the results of the majority being "educated" by government. :fp:
there was one point in the debate last night where obama mentioned that some teacher in las vegas was teaching her students with textbooks that were 10 years old. what was the point of that? i had some books that were over 25 years old, and others that were falling apart at the seams.
JBHuskers
10-04-2012, 09:34 AM
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/bigbird.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/bigbird.jpg
No Big Bird. Mitt Romney is trying to get you off the government doll b/c quite frankly it isn't worth borrowing money from China to give you that cash $ you DO NOT NEED!
BREAKING NEWS: Obama's PISS POOR debate performance due to the thin air in Denver. :fp:
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/gore-blames-obama-debate-performance-on-denvers-altitude-137503.html?hp=r1
http://youtu.be/dKMUHcgsbag
The European-Socialists are worried that their Messiah is going down in flames.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/04/us-europe-us-debate-idUSBRE8930Y520121004
bdoughty
10-04-2012, 03:02 PM
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/bigbird.jpg
Romney does not know the whole truth about Big Bird...
http://oi46.tinypic.com/23uo9sg.jpg
bdoughty
10-04-2012, 03:09 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/10/04/DNC-Attacks-Romney-As-too-Aggressive
Really? Mitt was too rough on Obama?
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/10/04/DNC-Attacks-Romney-As-too-Aggressive
Really? Mitt was too rough on Obama?
Yep Obama can't take the heat. Perhaps he should get out of the kitchen?
bdoughty
10-04-2012, 04:32 PM
Liberals, the last bastion of tolerance and acceptance.
High school teacher tells student her Romney t-shirt is the same as a KKK outfit
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teacher-likens-student-romney-shirt-kkk-article-1.1175042
bdoughty
10-04-2012, 04:35 PM
Remix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N680dYVPKqU
Does Obamacare cover the ass kickin' Obama received last night?
bdoughty
10-04-2012, 05:23 PM
Does Obamacare cover the ass kickin' Obama received last night?
He acted pretty dead on stage last night and since Obama and Obamcare support Death Panels....
Obama lookin' for some tax cuts to export more jobs in his 2nd term???
http://youtu.be/hwPkV_z9eMk
Next Dem excuse: Debates are RACIST!!! :nod:
SCClassof93
10-04-2012, 06:41 PM
I hate to break up the party, but I must defend the president. Last night was clearly a severe case of altitude sickness as this video clearly demonstrates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819q62ZMYVk&feature=player_embedded#!
bdoughty
10-04-2012, 06:44 PM
Next Dem excuse: Debates are RACIST!!! :nod:
You are going to laugh but there is one liberal able to take something from the debate and embarrassingly try to make it racist, the goes on to actually making a racist statement himself. It is like liberals can't comprehend irony.
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2012/10/hbc-90008926
Yet there he was, giving a presentation devoid of substance, vision, principle, or even basic coherence. He didn’t show a spark of anger, even when Romney slyly found a way to call him a boy, comparing Obama’s statements to the sorts of childish lies his “five boys” used to tell.
How the right’s hard-core racists must have howled at that! Mitt, at long last, has secured his base.
bdoughty
10-04-2012, 06:50 PM
I hate to break up the party, but I must defend the president. Last night was clearly a severe case of altitude sickness as this video clearly demonstrates.
A Teleprompter, a teleprompter, My kingdom for a teleprompter!
SCClassof93
10-04-2012, 09:58 PM
A Teleprompter, a teleprompter, My kingdom for a teleprompter!
:D
http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/700/10/700_1349374481.jpg
JBHuskers
10-05-2012, 08:59 AM
Because the debates really swing the voting... :D
Because the debates really swing the voting... :D
Actually they do even according to liberal "experts" (average 2.4% bounce)
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/10/03/us/politics/debatepoll/debatepoll-blog480.jpg
Ohio man tells Obama that his business has been "Terrible since you got here" :nod:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/man-tells-obama-business-terrible-you-got-here_653769.html
New Hampshire Resident: "Obama couldn't run a lemonade stand" :nod:
http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2012/10/02/new-hampshire-resident-obama-couldnt-run-a-lemonade-stand/
Thin Air + Romney having handkerchief = RACIST!!!! :nod:
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web03/2012/10/5/12/anigif_enhanced-buzz-3268-1349454186-8.gif
http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-cheat-sheet-was-a-handkerchief-campaign
bdoughty
10-05-2012, 04:50 PM
On the flip side the 7.8% unemployment rate is going to really help Obama. Most were speculating 8.1 to 8.2.
This ends my journey into political discussion at TGT. Nobody is going to change their mind based on anything here. Politics and religion are far to personal to be discussed on message boards with a bunch of people you have never met in real life.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/121015_2012_p465.jpg
SmoothPancakes
10-05-2012, 06:40 PM
This ends my journey into political discussion at TGT. Nobody is going to change their mind based on anything here. Politics and religion are far to personal to be discussed on message boards with a bunch of people you have never met in real life.
That's one thing I can agree on. :D
I'm pretty sure we all have our minds made up on who we're voting for, we're not going to sway anyone, all that's going to happen is the potential for a fireball to light up if one person says something that incites others and before you know, warnings and bans are getting launched. These threads just end up being nothing more than the same regurgitated rhectoric that we see on TV ads and news reports from rallies every single day.
And agreed about politics and religion. It's that very reason I was so happy to see political and religion threads not popping up in the past, and a bit disappointed to see these threads pop up a couple months ago. There's pretty much not ever a point in talking politics and religion, especially online. Everyone has their own beliefs, and unless you are one undecisive motherfucker, you're set in your beliefs, so what's the point? No one's mind is going to be changed or swayed. All that's gonna happen is something will eventually, inevitably be said, someone will get pissed off, and shit will go down.
I've broken my own rule of never discuss politics or religion, whether it's with strangers, family, my girlfriend, my girlfriend's family, no one, on here a number of times, but like you, I'm going to be ending my entry into political discussion on here. If others want to keep posting the rhetoric and pointlessly debating on here, more power to them, but I'm going to go back to what I used to do, just ignore these threads and when I'm done reading the other threads in the forum, make the OT forum as read and go about my business.
JeffHCross
10-06-2012, 02:34 PM
This ends my journey into political discussion at TGT. Nobody is going to change their mind based on anything here. Politics and religion are far to personal to be discussed on message boards with a bunch of people you have never met in real life.I have seen plenty of forums able to discuss politics and religion in a serious manner. While there are always bad seeds that ruin any truly serious/personal discussion, it is possible. But I will agree that it hasn't turned out very well here ... (though, as I said on the first page, this is a "propaganda" thread, not intended for actual serious discussion :D)
Actually they do even according to liberal "experts" (average 2.4% bounce)According to things I've seen, only twice, including 1960, has the leader going into the debates not been the eventual victor. One of those was, of course, 1960. The other was Carter/Reagan, if memory serves. Bush/Gore changed, but was within the margin for error so I guess it didn't count :dunno: A 2.4% change doesn't mean anything if the result doesn't change.
I have seen plenty of forums able to discuss politics and religion in a serious manner. While there are always bad seeds that ruin any truly serious/personal discussion, it is possible. But I will agree that it hasn't turned out very well here ... (though, as I said on the first page, this is a "propaganda" thread, not intended for actual serious discussion :D)
According to things I've seen, only twice, including 1960, has the leader going into the debates not been the eventual victor. One of those was, of course, 1960. The other was Carter/Reagan, if memory serves. Bush/Gore changed, but was within the margin for error so I guess it didn't count :dunno: A 2.4% change doesn't mean anything if the result doesn't change.
Carter/Reagan is a perfect analogy. Economy sucks; Iran hostage crisis/Libya coverup; etc....
Look who is in the lead now:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/oct/6/new-polls-shows-romney-overtake-obama-colorado-nat/
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/romney_leads_obama_by_two_percent_GFK2swe14og9oJa7 uBFwzK
Mmmmh Mmmh Mmmh BHO! :nod:
http://youtu.be/pHwiD2ckADg
http://youtu.be/Es5blRzMX9w
skipwondah33
10-07-2012, 07:32 PM
That's one thing I can agree on. :D
I'm pretty sure we all have our minds made up on who we're voting for, we're not going to sway anyone, all that's going to happen is the potential for a fireball to light up if one person says something that incites others and before you know, warnings and bans are getting launched. These threads just end up being nothing more than the same regurgitated rhectoric that we see on TV ads and news reports from rallies every single day.
And agreed about politics and religion. It's that very reason I was so happy to see political and religion threads not popping up in the past, and a bit disappointed to see these threads pop up a couple months ago. There's pretty much not ever a point in talking politics and religion, especially online. Everyone has their own beliefs, and unless you are one undecisive motherfucker, you're set in your beliefs, so what's the point? No one's mind is going to be changed or swayed. All that's gonna happen is something will eventually, inevitably be said, someone will get pissed off, and shit will go down.
I've broken my own rule of never discuss politics or religion, whether it's with strangers, family, my girlfriend, my girlfriend's family, no one, on here a number of times, but like you, I'm going to be ending my entry into political discussion on here. If others want to keep posting the rhetoric and pointlessly debating on here, more power to them, but I'm going to go back to what I used to do, just ignore these threads and when I'm done reading the other threads in the forum, make the OT forum as read and go about my business.
Basically
Besides has anyone ever been happy from beginning to end of a President's end term?
Can't be certain but even Republicans were likely ready for Bush to leave...well maybe not the wealthy.
SmoothPancakes
10-07-2012, 08:53 PM
Basically
Besides has anyone ever been happy from beginning to end of a President's end term?
Can't be certain but even Republicans were likely ready for Bush to leave...well maybe not the wealthy.
Damn you guys, just keep reeling me in. :D But no, I don't believe anyone has. There will always been something. Just like with Romney attacking Obama and the Democrats for the jobless numbers, which dropped to 7.8% or whatever, still saying it's not what economic recovery looks like. What is he going to say if the numbers shoot up to 9% or 10% while he's in office? Give him another four years to try and fix the issue, while there will probably be people in his own party who want him out?
My issue with politics in this country, my viewpoint, is simple. This country is fucked regardless. The issues this country is facing takes more than 4 years to fix, it takes more than 8 years to fix, especially long-term. But people in this country want IMMEDIATE results, that just will not happen, regardless of who is in office, so we sit here jumping back and forth, back and forth, random people who keep changing directions or repealing or replacing decisions made by previous administrations because they have a better (though usually not better in the end) plans that just lead us endlessly around in circles.
And while there is plenty the president can do, ultimately, it's Congress that's fucking us. Congress refuses to work together. It could be something will benefit every single American in some way, shape or form, but if it means Democrats working with Republicans and Republicans working with Democrats, it will never happen because heaven forbid the two sides work together to better life in America if it means the other side gaining some political points from it. But our problem? We keep voting the same fucking idiots back into office. And this is for both sides. Democrats keep voting some of the same people who refuse to work with the other side into Congress, and Republicans do as well. Nothing in this country is going to get better until both sides of the aisle work together, until Congress and the White House work together, regardless of what party is in control, regardless of who is in the White House.
That is something I'm sure we can all agree on. And that is the reason why I am starting to not even give a shit anymore when it comes to politics. It's all the same deceptive, round and round bullshit year after year. A politician is going to lie to get elected, it's inevitable. Obama has and will tell lies. Romney has and will tell lies. There's this kid Mandel, a republican here in Ohio running for Senate. He ran for state Treasurer office back in 2010, promising that he would work and serve the full four years of the term, and yet only a year into the term, he had already broken that promise by immediately turning around and running for senate. There's a three-seat commission that he chairs here in the state, he skipped 14 straight meetings, never going to one until he finally attended his first meeting earlier this year, only after it had been picked up by and reported on statewide by newspapers. Why should I trust him with my vote and trust him to do the best for Ohio and myself when he couldn't even keep a simple campaign promise to serve the full four year term as state Treasurer? I voted for him as Treasurer two years ago, because I thought maybe he really would be the new blood that we need in state office here in Ohio, but since then he has turned out to be nothing more than the same old tired shit of politicians simply looking out for themselves. He promises if he's elected to the Senate, that he will ONLY run for max of two terms, be in office for 12 years. Why should I also believe that?
Every politician lies, every politician cheats, every politician tells you what you want to hear, but then doesn't do it. I'm getting tired of it, from both Democrats and Republicans, and much longer of this same old tired bullshit, and I'm just not going to care anymore when it comes to politics and elections. Leo McGarry said it best in the show The West Wing,
Bartlet: "Why are you doing this? You're a player. You're bigger in the party than I am. Hoynes would probably make you National Chairman. Leo, tell me this isn't one of the twelve steps."
Leo: "That's what it is. Right after admitting that we are powerless over alcohol and a higher power can restore us to sanity. That's where you come in."
Bartlet: "Leo..."
Leo: "Because I'm tired of it! Year, after year, after year of having to choose between the lesser of who cares? Of trying to get myself excited over a candidate who can speak in complete sentences. Of setting the bar so low, I can hardly look at it. They say a good man can't get elected president. I don't believe that, do you?"
That's the point I am just about at. I'm tired of it. I was excited when I turned 18 and could actually start voting and taking part in elections and whatnot. Boy how naive I was. It's turns out all this is nothing but shit, choosing between the lesser of two evils instead of choosing the better of two good candidates, lowering my bar from election to election to decide who I can stomach voting for more over the other. I'm not voting for the best candidate or the person who is going to do the best job running the country. No, I'm voting for who isn't going to fuck up the country worse than the other guy. And this is at all levels. City, county, state, federal. I don't vote party lines, I vote by person. I routinely vote for both republicans and democrats in the same election, especially on the local city and county levels.
This election, yes, I voted Obama back in 2008. This election, I would probably vote Obama by default, just because I trust Romney less. But I don't particularly care for either candidate. Obama has had some fuck ups while in office and he has not done enough of what he said he would in 2008. Yet Romney promises the world but refuses to give details. He wants to have across the board tax cuts while increasing military spending, that the numbers I saw, was something like $5 trillion in costs. I'd love to hear where the fuck he plans to get $5 trillion to pay for those cuts and the military spending and not have any increase in the deficit. Cutting PBS and Big Bird is a piss drop in the bucket to paying for that, so what else is getting chopped? He wants my votes, I want specific details. He wants me to vote him for president and support him, I damn well deserve specific as fuck details about what he is going to do to pay for some of this of stuff. Ryan was questioned about, I want to believe it was the tax plans, he said it would take too long to explain the math behind it. When you're talking about something major like that, I don't give a fuck how long it's going to take, start talking about the fucking math. They want me to trust them and vote for them, but all it is so far are smoke and mirrors and claims of doing this and that if they are elected and yet has been repeatedly said aren't mathematically possible.
Give me specifics for how you are going to do this and that. Give me the details, TAKE THE TIME to explain all of it. Then maybe I'll consider voting for you. Instead, I have to lower my bar and pick between the lesser of two evils. I've only been voting for 8 years, and I'm already fucking tired of the bullshit. I'm quickly approaching the point of not giving a fuck anymore. It makes me sad to say that, but it's true. This election is no different, the midterms will be no different, 2016 will be no different.
JeffHCross
10-07-2012, 09:05 PM
My issue with Cleveland sports in this country, my viewpoint, is simple. This team is fucked regardless. The issues this team is facing takes more than 4 years to fix, it takes more than 8 years to fix, especially long-term. But people in Cleveland want IMMEDIATE results, that just will not happen, regardless of who is in the head coach's office, so we sit here jumping back and forth, back and forth, random people who keep changing directions or repealing or replacing decisions made by previous staffs because they have a better (though usually not better in the end) plans that just lead us endlessly around in circles.I couldn't help but notice the applicability of your quote to other professions. So, fixed. :D It truly is endemic in America, and how we choose our leadership regardless of profession, that we believe quick fixes are possible and do not realize the underlying causes.
If either candidate announced tomorrow that they were going to name Michelle Rhee as Secretary of Education, I'd vote for them. Why? Because while her time in DC may have been filled with controversy, she's the only public figure I've personally heard with an explanation for what is wrong with our current education system. Plenty have said there are problems, but few have offered specifics or solutions. And Michelle Rhee is just an example. I want solutions, not clairvoyant claims about how their plan will magically create X number of jobs.
If either candidate announced tomorrow that _____ was their plan to work with Congress, and it didn't include the words "reach across the aisle", "bipartisan", "united", or any other buzzword related to working with the other party, I'd vote for them. Because the simple fact is that it doesn't matter who's in the Oval Office. The only way a Democrat is going to get things done is with a Democratic Congress. The only way a Republican is going to get things done is with a Republican Congress. Because the other party is more concerned with sandbagging the opposition than it is with running the damn country (though I will admit that Republicans in Congress are MUCH better at this goal than Democrats are ... Democrats can't even unite with themselves well).
He promises if he's elected to the Senate, that he will ONLY run for max of two terms, be in office for 12 years. Why should I also believe that?Because he's clearly ambitious enough that within 12 years he'll be running for some other job.
Princeton Economist that Obama LOVES to say shows Romney is lying says Obama is the one that is lying about his study:
I can’t tell exactly how the Obama campaign reached that characterization of my work. It might be that they assume that Governor Romney wants to keep the taxes from the Affordable Care Act in place, despite the fact that the Governor has called for its complete repeal. The main conclusion of my study is that under plausible assumptions, a proposal along the lines suggested by Governor Romney can both be revenue neutral and keep the net tax burden on taxpayers with incomes above $200,000 about the same. That is, an increase in the tax burden on lower and middle income individuals is not required in order to make the overall plan revenue neutral.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/princeton-economist-obama-campaign-misrepresenting-my-study-romneys-tax-plan_653917.html
The wheels are falling off the wagon folks.
Because the debates really swing the voting... :D
I have seen plenty of forums able to discuss politics and religion in a serious manner. While there are always bad seeds that ruin any truly serious/personal discussion, it is possible. But I will agree that it hasn't turned out very well here ... (though, as I said on the first page, this is a "propaganda" thread, not intended for actual serious discussion :D)
According to things I've seen, only twice, including 1960, has the leader going into the debates not been the eventual victor. One of those was, of course, 1960. The other was Carter/Reagan, if memory serves. Bush/Gore changed, but was within the margin for error so I guess it didn't count :dunno: A 2.4% change doesn't mean anything if the result doesn't change.
You guys were sayin'?
http://www.people-press.org/2012/10/08/romneys-strong-debate-performance-erases-obamas-lead/
Just sayin' :nod:
JeffHCross
10-08-2012, 06:58 PM
The wheels are falling off the wagon folks.I realize I'm saying this in the wrong 'propaganda' thread, but plenty of wheels have fallen off Romney's too. BOTH sides are lying through their teeth.
You guys were sayin'?One debate down. Two to go. Note I said "going into" and "eventual victor", not "temporary bump from great performance". And I do have to say that Romney's expected performance vs actual performance (as well as Obama's, in the opposite direction) was so stunning that I wouldn't be surprised if this was the exception to the rule. But the odds were against him, and you know it.
morsdraconis
10-09-2012, 04:41 AM
Every politician lies, every politician cheats, every politician tells you what you want to hear, but then doesn't do it. I'm getting tired of it, from both Democrats and Republicans, and much longer of this same old tired bullshit, and I'm just not going to care anymore when it comes to politics and elections. Leo McGarry said it best in the show The West Wing,
Bartlet: "Why are you doing this? You're a player. You're bigger in the party than I am. Hoynes would probably make you National Chairman. Leo, tell me this isn't one of the twelve steps."
Leo: "That's what it is. Right after admitting that we are powerless over alcohol and a higher power can restore us to sanity. That's where you come in."
Bartlet: "Leo..."
Leo: "Because I'm tired of it! Year, after year, after year of having to choose between the lesser of who cares? Of trying to get myself excited over a candidate who can speak in complete sentences. Of setting the bar so low, I can hardly look at it. They say a good man can't get elected president. I don't believe that, do you?"
That's the point I am just about at. I'm tired of it. I was excited when I turned 18 and could actually start voting and taking part in elections and whatnot. Boy how naive I was. It's turns out all this is nothing but shit, choosing between the lesser of two evils instead of choosing the better of two good candidates, lowering my bar from election to election to decide who I can stomach voting for more over the other. I'm not voting for the best candidate or the person who is going to do the best job running the country. No, I'm voting for who isn't going to fuck up the country worse than the other guy. And this is at all levels. City, county, state, federal. I don't vote party lines, I vote by person. I routinely vote for both republicans and democrats in the same election, especially on the local city and county levels.
I'm just going to quote what I said to someone making, basically, the same argument you're making a while back:
Because, like everything else, America has made the US Government a business and, therefore, like all other businesses, they have to fuck everyone else before they get fucked to make as much money as possible.
That, and the internet has changed the elections as well. It used to be, the only way to advertise for your campaign was through visual media (billboards, yard signs, bumper stickers, television ads, etc) but with the invention of social media, it's become easier than ever to put out as much bullshit as possible to as many people as possible. Thus, we get overloaded with everything (the sane side, the insane side, and all the inbetweens) to the point where we just want to say fuck it and not do anything.
Welcome to American politics in the 21st century. Get used to it, because it's not gonna change because there are billions of dollars being spent by the movers and shakers behind the scenes to make sure it doesn't. As long as the general masses vote based on some idiotic party loyalty concept, things will never change.
Nothing will ever change and it hasn't at all since I've been following the whole corrupt bullshit. There's no such thing as news anymore. It's ALWAYS slanted to one side or the other and too often, people that talk about this shit, only use things that they agree with and aren't willing to look at both sides of the argument. It's the same shit with Congress (as you pointed out). Nobody wants to work with anyone. Thus, it all boils down to doing whatever makes them the most money. Follow the money trail, and you'll see why things have been done the way they're been done for the past 20 years.
Nothing will ever change. Welcome to the United States of Fucked.
SCClassof93
10-09-2012, 06:43 AM
I'm just going to quote what I said to someone making, basically, the same argument you're making a while back:
Nothing will ever change and it hasn't at all since I've been following the whole corrupt bullshit. There's no such thing as news anymore. It's ALWAYS slanted to one side or the other and too often, people that talk about this shit, only use things that they agree with and aren't willing to look at both sides of the argument. It's the same shit with Congress (as you pointed out). Nobody wants to work with anyone. Thus, it all boils down to doing whatever makes them the most money. Follow the money trail, and you'll see why things have been done the way they're been done for the past 20 years.
Nothing will ever change. Welcome to the United States of Fucked.
Mors, whoever you quoted does not have a clue. Government looks nothing like a "business" and that is the problem. Whoever said that has most likely never run a business and most likely works in academia with "tenure" or is a government union member. Sad thing is, it is "business" that makes both those "jobs" possible.
What has changed in my lifetime is the view of "business". There have always been whiners and bitter folks that are envious of those that work hard and succeed, but now it seems that view has taken hold with the majority. Seems it is easier to take by the police power of government than it is to work; but then to bitch about the folks they steal and rob from as being thieves and dishonest is sad.
morsdraconis
10-09-2012, 07:42 AM
:smh:
And there ya go.
:smh:
SCClassof93
10-09-2012, 07:52 AM
For those that claim "nothing changes" in regards to debates....or anything else.
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/did-obama-just-throw-the-entire-election-away.html
Our HEROES support Romney over their Commander In Chief 2/1. :nod:
http://militarytimes.com/news/2012/10/military-times-poll-romney-bests-obama-2-1-100712/
JeffHCross
10-09-2012, 10:10 PM
n/m
baseballplyrmvp
10-09-2012, 10:24 PM
n/m
great input there. :D
JeffHCross
10-09-2012, 10:43 PM
great input there. :DThought I was right, turned out I was wrong. :D
ram29jackson
10-09-2012, 11:16 PM
Kid Rock & Paul Ryan? Rocker Isn't Worried About Upsetting Fans
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/kid-rock-paul-ryan_n_1950612.html#slide=1476679
He quieted the crowd a bit when he shared his pride over the election of Barack Obama as the first black president. But he quickly added he was sorry Obama "didn't do a better job."
Obama campaign helps people commit a felony by voting twice.
http://youtu.be/q_iJfnbMzI0
skipwondah33
10-11-2012, 09:21 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49354805/ns/local_news-boston_ma/t/mother-navy-seal-killed-libya-speaks-out/?ocid=ansmsnbc11#.UHbUbcXA-3o
Well atleast he agreed to stop using the story and his name.
http://timethemoment.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/time_paulryan_20111205_03731.jpg?w=326
Whatcha gonna do when Paul Ryan runs wild on you Joe!?
The Terrorist Attack and death of 4 Americans is only an issue because of Romney Ryan. :smh:
http://freebeacon.com/cutter-benghazi-is-only-an-issue-because-of-romney-and-ryan/
CNN poll Ryan 48% Biden 44%. I guess you cannot just laugh, smirk and scream your way into a debate win. R 2 D 0!
SmoothPancakes
10-11-2012, 11:56 PM
CNN poll Ryan 48% Biden 44%. I guess you cannot just laugh, smirk and scream your way into a debate win. R 2 D 0!
Of 381 people, sure. And maybe not, but apparently you can pull false numbers and "facts" that you made up off the top of your head and pulled out of your ass into a debate win. Romney/Ryan sure as fuck have this lying and pulling numbers out of your ass game down to a science.
baseballplyrmvp
10-12-2012, 12:24 AM
Of 381 people, sure. And maybe not, but apparently you can pull false numbers and "facts" that you made up off the top of your head and pulled out of your ass into a debate win. Romney/Ryan sure as fuck have this lying and pulling numbers out of your ass game down to a science.
well, since the obama government tries to take credit for all of America's hard work, i'm sure that they'd try to claim credit for teaching romney and ryan the science of it.
morsdraconis
10-12-2012, 05:03 AM
well, since the obama government tries to take credit for all of America's hard work, i'm sure that they'd try to claim credit for teaching romney and ryan the science of it.
So when things work out it's "Obama taking credit for America's hard work" but when the numbers go down it's "Obama is a fascist, socialist, and needs to be replaced". :fp:
You silly conservatives. You and Romney are a match made in heaven. You both lie like dogs.
SCClassof93
10-12-2012, 06:57 AM
So when things work out it's "Obama taking credit for America's hard work" but when the numbers go down it's "Obama is a fascist, socialist, and needs to be replaced". :fp:
You silly conservatives. You and Romney are a match made in heaven. You both lie like dogs.
Don't you have a class to teach or some bureaucratic papers to shuffle Sunshine? :D
http://youtu.be/PCtemaHgjyA
http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/Screen-shot-2012-10-11-at-11.38.47-PM.png
skipwondah33
10-12-2012, 09:44 AM
Sooo which poll is right?
http://www.mediaite.com/online/cbs-news-uncommitted-voter-poll-declares-joe-biden-winner-of-vp-debate-by-50-to-31-margin/
This one says 50% to 31%. Others have it narrow for both sides.
Sooo which poll is right?
http://www.mediaite.com/online/cbs-news-uncommitted-voter-poll-declares-joe-biden-winner-of-vp-debate-by-50-to-31-margin/
This one says 50% to 31%. Others have it narrow for both sides.
Snap Polls: Ryan 2 Biden 1
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/snap-polls-ryan-biden-138249.html
Bottom Line: If you are a lib/lib leaning you were probably happy with Biden's jack ass of a performance b/c that is how liberals behave and were happy to see a jack ass out there after Obama got CREAMED in the 1st debate. If you are a conservative you already knew Biden is a jack ass and this only furthered that perception of liberals. If you are a moderate and want "compromise" and for both parties to get along you saw Biden for what he is a jack ass where in contrast Ryan was polite and appeared reasonable.
Romney leading in congressional district in Maine for an electoral vote.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/poll-romney-leads-obama-in-maine-congressional-district-138207.html
The map just KEEPS getting larger and larger for Romney Ryan:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
Obama/Biden have made clear they have no plan for the next four years other than: (1) tax those evil rich people and (2) hire more teachers for the teachers union.
SCClassof93
10-12-2012, 12:48 PM
Snap Polls: Ryan 2 Biden 1
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/snap-polls-ryan-biden-138249.html
Bottom Line: If you are a lib/lib leaning you were probably happy with Biden's jack ass of a performance b/c that is how liberals behave and were happy to see a jack ass out there after Obama got CREAMED in the 1st debate. If you are a conservative you already knew Biden is a jack ass and this only furthered that perception of liberals. If you are a moderate and want "compromise" and for both parties to get along you saw Biden for what he is a jack ass where in contrast Ryan was polite and appeared reasonable.
You sir have insulted jackasses everywhere!
You sir have insulted jackasses everywhere!
No Sir. I ALWAYS say what I mean!
http://youtu.be/fvg9wuWY2tc
From someone who KNOWS what will happen if the current Admin. has its way:
http://youtu.be/UnX7TNFIELg
Man Eastwood sure does know his stuff. Obama = empty chair (1st debate performance) Biden = grin with a body behind it (2nd debate performance)
http://youtu.be/qwCHy_EMlik
SmoothPancakes
10-12-2012, 06:12 PM
Obama/Biden have made clear they have no plan for the next four years other than: (1) tax those evil rich people and (2) hire more teachers for the teachers union.
And meanwhile Romney/Ryan have made clear their plan to pull magic rainbows out of their ass. I'm still waiting for details on this supposed $5 trillion tax plan, which both Romney and Ryan refuses to give any details or specifics, yet I'm supposed to trust or believe whatever they say. It makes great sound bites in the news, but won't do shit when they get in office, because it will either fuck over 98% of the country, or it'll tack on more to the national deficit in one day than Obama did in four years. How about instead of promising the fucking moon, and then probably destroying the US as it is today, how about they give some fucking details on how they're paying for this shit.
Oh that's right, they won't do that until after they're elected and then don't have to give a fuck about unpopular their ideas of paying for it will be. Just more political bullshit.
bdoughty
10-12-2012, 06:29 PM
And meanwhile Romney/Ryan have made clear their plan to pull magic rainbows out of their ass. I'm still waiting for details on this supposed $5 trillion tax plan, which both Romney and Ryan refuses to give any details or specifics, yet I'm supposed to trust or believe whatever they say. It makes great sound bites in the news, but won't do shit when they get in office, because it will either fuck over 98% of the country, or it'll tack on more to the national deficit in one day than Obama did in four years. How about instead of promising the fucking moon, and then probably destroying the US as it is today, how about they give some fucking details on how they're paying for this shit.
Oh that's right, they won't do that until after they're elected and then don't have to give a fuck about unpopular their ideas of paying for it will be. Just more political bullshit.
http://oi47.tinypic.com/2ep282b.jpg
SmoothPancakes
10-12-2012, 06:46 PM
http://oi47.tinypic.com/2ep282b.jpg
:D Turns out it's more difficult to do so than just saying it. ;)
SCClassof93
10-12-2012, 08:27 PM
http://oi47.tinypic.com/2ep282b.jpg
:D:D:D
Classic!!!
JeffHCross
10-13-2012, 11:43 AM
In honor of Joe Biden, I laugh at this whole page.
:smh:
In honor of Joe Biden, I laugh at this whole page.
:smh:
In honor of Joe Biden, we REALLY are gonna put y'all back in chains after the election. :nod:
JeffHCross
10-14-2012, 10:30 AM
It wouldn't surprise me, at all.
http://i.usatoday.net/_common/_notches/5ba2fe5f-5c7f-4ec2-8791-a9bcca67be42-01O.png
bdoughty
10-15-2012, 03:35 PM
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man’s reasoning powers are not above the monkey’s."
~Mark Twain
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man’s reasoning powers are not above the monkey’s."
~Mark Twain
Wrong thread. :nod:
JeffHCross
10-15-2012, 08:00 PM
http://i.usatoday.net/_common/_notches/5ba2fe5f-5c7f-4ec2-8791-a9bcca67be42-01O.pngNot going to post the whole article, where they call into question some of those numbers, eh? ;)
Very propaganda like. Nicely done!
Not going to post the whole article, where they call into question some of those numbers, eh? ;)
Very propaganda like. Nicely done!
I see your Obama talking points and RAISE you a Daily Kooks/SEIU Poll showing Romney 50% Obama 46%
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/16/1144982/-Daily-Kos-SEIU-State-of-the-Nation-poll-Romney-s-best-numbers-of-the-week
Let me guess the SEIU and Daily Kos have been taken over by right wingers like me?
Check mate!
SmoothPancakes
10-16-2012, 01:22 PM
I can already tell what will happen tonight. Even if Obama comes out and just pastes the floor with Romney's ass, you'll do whatever it takes to find a poll that claims Romney won the debate, even if it's the most fucking backwoods, backwater poll in the world, and declare in a Romney victory in the debate and claim Repubs are 3-0 in the debates. It's damn near guaranteed to happen tonight.
I can already tell what will happen tonight. Even if Obama comes out and just pastes the floor with Romney's ass, you'll do whatever it takes to find a poll that claims Romney won the debate, even if it's the most fucking backwoods, backwater poll in the world, and declare in a Romney victory in the debate and claim Repubs are 3-0 in the debates. It's damn near guaranteed to happen tonight.
I can already tell what you and the MSM will do tonight. Even if Obama comes out and gives another empty chair performance you/they are going to call it the Obama comeback and you'll do whatever it takes to justify it in your mind and claim that Obama has righted the ship and now has the election in his grasp. It's damn near guaranteed to happen tonight. :nod:
Another "racist", "fucking backwoods, backwater poll in the world" Gallup:
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/16yjg9jtbko3opmu1y-qdw.gif
SmoothPancakes
10-16-2012, 02:48 PM
Well, if the fucktards want to elect the Liar in Chief into office. They however will forfeit their right to bitch about how things are going over the next four years when Romney fucks them up the ass repeatedly.
skipwondah33
10-16-2012, 03:15 PM
Pretty good info
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/
http://youtu.be/W-Bmt84NFFg
SmoothPancakes
10-16-2012, 03:56 PM
Pretty good info
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/
:D :D :D
That is the most accurate info I've seen yet on the Romney tax plan.
JBHuskers
10-16-2012, 04:12 PM
Pretty good info
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/
That is some great info. That will definitely me in my decision making.
http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/700/10/700_1350415712.jpg
That EVIL Obama has a LARGER pension than even Romney and has accounts in the Caymans. Occupy Obama!!!! :nod:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49450057
SmoothPancakes
10-18-2012, 11:33 AM
That EVIL Obama has a LARGER pension than even Romney and has accounts in the Caymans. Occupy Obama!!!! :nod:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49450057
No comment on the debate the other night? Shocker. :D
JBHuskers
10-18-2012, 11:43 AM
No comment on the debate the other night? Shocker. :D
That's cuz Obama "won".
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No comment on the debate the other night? Shocker. :D
That's cuz Obama "won".
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If you guys wanna call it 2-1 that's fine with me as most of the polls said the overall debate winner was Obama. But if you liberals (and the media) define "winning" as losing 65% to 34% on the #1 issue in this election (the economy) again I'm fine with that. Basically Obama "won" the debate because he actually appeared to show up but when you drill down on the real issues in this campaign Romney/Ryan have convinced the voters they are best to handle jobs/economy. Moreover, the Obama "win" wasn't NEARLY the shake up to the race as Obama's empty chair performance from debate 1. If you told me nearly 2/3 of Americans would know that Romney/Ryan can handle the economy better than Obama/Biden with 3 weeks left I'd take 4 debate losses heading into the polls on Election Day.
http://youtu.be/hReSVeB9QC0
http://youtu.be/JDanNdzAUn0
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57533850/poll-obama-edges-romney-in-second-debate/
Obama is going to (or should) pull out completely in FL, VA, NC (because he has lost those three states). The fact he is buying ads in MN, NH, MI, WI, PA this late in the game shows he is having to defend more democratic turf than he should and is trying to stop the bleeding.
I like Romney/Ryan's chances more and more each day as election day nears. If OH starts to turn from toss up to lean/solid Romney the game is over and its only a matter of how big the victory is going to be.
Speaking of momentum.....
Romney 52% Obama 45%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157817/election-2012-likely-voters-trial-heat-obama-romney.aspx
NO CANDIDATE has EVER lost an election when getting to 51% in Gallup in October. Just sayin'
SmoothPancakes
10-18-2012, 12:16 PM
Well, hate to tell you and all the other blind republicans, but the country is fucked no matter who wins. You really think that Romney is going to magically turn the country around, especially with his "I shit rainbows" magical $5 trillion tax plan that no republican can STILL give a straight fucking answering how exactly he intends to pay for it? If you truly believe that, then you are a serious fucking idiot.
JBHuskers
10-18-2012, 12:19 PM
Well, hate to tell you and all the other blind republicans, but the country is fucked no matter who wins. You really think that Romney is going to magically turn the country around, especially with his "I shit rainbows" magical $5 trillion tax plan that no republican can STILL give a straight fucking answering how exactly he intends to pay for it? If you truly believe that, then you are a serious fucking idiot.
At least we can rail on Romney constantly for four years like people have with Obama trying to clean up Bush's mess :nod:
steelerfan
10-18-2012, 12:22 PM
Well, hate to tell you and all the other blind republicans, but the country is fucked no matter who wins. You really think that Romney is going to magically turn the country around, especially with his "I shit rainbows" magical $5 trillion tax plan that no republican can STILL give a straight fucking answering how exactly he intends to pay for it? If you truly believe that, then you are a serious fucking idiot.
:+1:
We're fucked either way. It's always been that way, and always will.
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Well, hate to tell you and all the other blind republicans, but the country is fucked no matter who wins. You really think that Romney is going to magically turn the country around, especially with his "I shit rainbows" magical $5 trillion tax plan that no republican can STILL give a straight fucking answering how exactly he intends to pay for it? If you truly believe that, then you are a serious fucking idiot.
If you truly believe the above then PLEASE DO NOT VOTE. If you don't think it matters Obama/Romney then don't vote.
At least we can rail on Romney constantly for four years like people have with Obama trying to clean up Bush's mess :nod:
That would require you lazy liberals to actually post your rants in your own propaganda thread. :nod:
SmoothPancakes
10-18-2012, 12:32 PM
If you truly believe the above then PLEASE DO NOT VOTE. If you don't think it matters Obama/Romney then don't vote.
It's because it's the truth. Romney is not going to turn this country around. He might fix one or two things, but he'll fuck up 5 other things. And you think he'll actually get jack shit done in Washington? Not a chance in hell. The Republicans, for four years now, have done everything they can to block everything Obama and the Democrats have wanted to do, even stuff the Republicans have agreed on or voted for in the past, just to fuck Obama over and keep him from claiming political victories. Well guess what, payback's a bitch. Good luck to Romney getting anything done in Washington when Democrats block every single thing he tries to do.
JBHuskers
10-18-2012, 12:34 PM
That would require you lazy liberals to actually post your rants in your own propaganda thread. :nod:
The opposite of long-winded is not lazy :D
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steelerfan
10-18-2012, 12:36 PM
The opposite of long-winded is not lazy :D
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:D
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steelerfan
10-18-2012, 12:39 PM
To be clear, when I used to vote, I voted straight Republican every time. As I grew up, I realized that all politicians are liars and they're only out for themselves. The middle class gets fucked by every one of them - every time.
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SmoothPancakes
10-18-2012, 12:42 PM
To be clear, when I used to vote, I voted straight Republican every time. As I grew up, I realized that all politicians are liars and they're only out for themselves. The middle class gets fucked by every one of them - every time.
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This x :infinity:
Politicians don't give a fuck about you and me. They talk and act like they do in public, but they ultimately couldn't give two shits about anyone who doesn't donate more than a couple hundred thousand or millions to their campaigns.
http://youtu.be/vs3qRLkODh0
Oh NO I missed a debate that Obama apparently "won"! :smh:
http://youtu.be/9UrOmhH2PeI
Death of 4 Americans "Not Optimal"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219867/Barack-Obama-Benghazi-If-Americans-killed-OPTIMAL-Obamas-extraordinary-response-security-fiasco-Benghazi-massacre.html
http://youtu.be/XmmGls7DCYI
http://youtu.be/znVqyfxfbRQ
bdoughty
10-19-2012, 02:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_1B0w7Hzc
JBHuskers
10-19-2012, 03:40 PM
Romney is mormon. He'll probably reinstate prohibition :D
SCClassof93
10-19-2012, 03:50 PM
Romney is mormon. He'll probably reinstate prohibition :D
More likely just make drunks work for their booze :nod:
JeffHCross
10-19-2012, 04:07 PM
I see your Obama talking pointsI had no Obama talking points. I was talking about the USA Today article itself! I had read it earlier in the day :D
Also, speaking of propaganda, I enjoyed the local ad where a Senate candidate was saying that he would stop sequestration if he was voted into office. Good luck! It's going to happen BEFORE YOU GET THERE!
Chavez, Castro & Putin endorse Obama. I'm Mitt Romney and I approve this message. :nod:
http://times247.com/articles/obama-receives-endorsements-from-three-dictators
skipwondah33
10-22-2012, 10:34 AM
http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/700/10/700_1350415712.jpghttp://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/motivational-pics9.jpg?w=500&h=551
Even the "aliens" know we need Romney:
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/cropart.jpeg1-640x428.jpg
JeffHCross
10-22-2012, 07:08 PM
http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/700/10/700_1350415712.jpgHadn't seen that before skip replied to it ... So, where's the free market going to land that big space jet? Surely not at the "$209 million LEED Gold standard structure, funded and owned by the State of New Mexico and its taxpayers" ...
The Left KNOWS their Lord and Savior Barrack Hussein Obama is in BIG trouble:
50% Romney 46% Obama
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
51% Romney 46% Obama
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157817/election-2012-likely-voters-trial-heat-obama-romney.aspx
So how do they respond:
#1 they boo 9 year old children that "support" Romney
http://freebeacon.com/msnbcs-morning-joe-crowd-boos-9-year-old-girl-for-supporting-mitt-romney/
#2 they physically assault and batter Romney supporters protecting their yard signs
http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Son-of-State-Senator-Neal-Kedzie-Attacked-175307881.html
I guess that's all they have left when Romney keeps improving his chances in the debates as he now has a greater likeability/favorability over Obama and the undecideds continue to lean Romney over The one.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/23/debates-deliver-favorability-edge-romney/
http://youtu.be/6URuvgL2CKA
No worries just riot when you lose and/or claim the country is just racist.
http://www.infowars.com/obama-supporters-continue-threats-to-riot-assassinate-romney/
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/23/post-debate-msnbcs-matthews-claims-romney-supporters-fueled-by-racial-hatred/
JBHuskers
10-23-2012, 04:00 PM
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/romneyiran.jpg
JBHuskers
10-23-2012, 04:12 PM
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/homervote.jpg
bdoughty
10-23-2012, 06:24 PM
Just a tiny little edit for accuracy.
http://i.imgur.com/n9icv.jpg
SmoothPancakes
10-23-2012, 07:04 PM
Mitt Romney hates kids. He cancelled trick or treat.
Obama knew 2 hours after attack it was a terrorist attack and not due to some youtube video that noone on the planet had viewed until after the attack.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-usa-benghazi-emails-idUSBRE89N02C20121024
JBHuskers
10-24-2012, 10:25 AM
I'm starting to think that CLW is like 50% of those on FOX News. They think the right is nuts, but get paid to back them publicly :D
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I'm starting to think that CLW is like 50% of those on FOX News. They think the right is nuts, but get paid to back them publicly :D
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Nope, I'm like the commentators on FOX News. I think the left is nuts, but when they finally implode I'll no longer have a job. :nod:
Continuing the "we've got nothing left" so lets resort to crime......
http://www.wtop.com//159/3091012/Romney-sign-burning-in-Leesburg-considered-arson
The riots are comin' when the Lord and Savior BHO is defeated. Thankfully, I live in TX where people know they can't get away with that crap. :nod:
JBHuskers
10-24-2012, 03:51 PM
Continuing the "we've got nothing left" so lets resort to crime......
http://www.wtop.com//159/3091012/Romney-sign-burning-in-Leesburg-considered-arson
The riots are comin' when the Lord and Savior BHO is defeated. Thankfully, I live in TX where people know they can't get away with that crap. :nod:
Yet the guy who has Obama hanging from a noose on a tree in his front yard is perfectly fine. Well the Secret Service didn't think so. But according to your last post it's fine :fp:
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Yet the guy who has Obama hanging from a noose on a tree in his front yard is perfectly fine. Well the Secret Service didn't think so. But according to your last post it's fine :fp:
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Yep but not b/c its "pro Romney" but b/c there is NOTHING illegal about hanging your own empty folding chair from your own tree on your own property. You want to hang "Romney" from a tree on your property. More power to you.
skipwondah33
10-24-2012, 04:00 PM
Yep but not b/c its "pro Romney" but b/c there is NOTHING illegal about hanging your own empty folding chair from your own tree on your own property. You want to hang "Romney" from a tree on your property. More power to you.Yeah but doing that with a Romney figure wouldn't mean or spark much interest..whereas it does with an Obama...for obvious reasons.
skipwondah33
10-24-2012, 04:01 PM
And they have Anti-cross burning laws in Virginia so that wouldn't surprise me.
Don't believe there is one in the state of Texas though
And they have Anti-cross burning laws in Virginia so that wouldn't surprise me.
Don't believe there is one in the state of Texas though
Said laws (at least any that are written as an outright ban) are Unconstitutional as violating the 1st Amendment. I.e. if some IDIOT wants to burn a cross on their own property and that burning does not put another's life/property at risk (or isn't being used to intimidate another) then they can do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_v._Black
Obama booed at :Clemson: football game. :nod:
http://www.wyff4.com/news/local-news/oconee-pickens-news/President-Obama-booed-during-Clemson-game/-/9654906/17111956/-/jygtdr/-/index.html
SmoothPancakes
10-24-2012, 04:37 PM
Obama booed at :Clemson: football game. :nod:
http://www.wyff4.com/news/local-news/oconee-pickens-news/President-Obama-booed-during-Clemson-game/-/9654906/17111956/-/jygtdr/-/index.html
Every president has gotten booed at someplace at some point in time? Or does it only matter because it was Obama getting booed?
Every president has gotten booed at someplace at some point in time? Or does it only matter because it was Obama getting booed?
After 68 days, have you failed to realize what this thread and posts in this thread are likely to be about?
You liberals crack me up. You have your own thread - yet you seldom post in it. You claim you are done with the right wing thread - yet you keep coming back to it to post. You seem to be annoyed by my/others posts in this thread - yet you keep coming back and responding to said posts. Perhaps you do need the government to take care of every aspect of your life. :nod:
SmoothPancakes
10-24-2012, 04:51 PM
After 68 days, have you failed to realize what this thread and posts in this thread are likely to be about?
You liberals crack me up. You have your own thread - yet you seldom post in it. You claim you are done with the right wing thread - yet you keep coming back to it to post. You seem to be annoyed by my/others posts in this thread - yet you keep coming back and responding to said posts. Perhaps you do need the government to take care of every aspect of your life. :nod:
And perhaps all you Republicans fucktards need to kiss my ass. I hope Obama wins and I hope he fucks all of you over.
And perhaps all you Republicans fucktards need to kiss my ass. I hope Obama wins and I hope he fucks all of you over.
I see your junior-high level insult and raise you:
R 50% O 46%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
R 50% O 47%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157817/election-2012-likely-voters-trial-heat-obama-romney.aspx
R 49% O 48%
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/10/24/post-abc-tracking-poll-obama-wins-final-debate-romney-gains-supporters/
R 47% O 46%
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/romney-steals-narrow-lead-obama-election-nears-185135786.html
Lookin' more and more like you will be the one "fucked over". :nod:
SmoothPancakes
10-24-2012, 05:19 PM
No, more like the whole country will be fucked over. Remember things after 8 years of Bush? If you fucking idiots want to go right back to that, be my guest. If you fucking idiots want to get the US involved in wars in Syria, Iran and probably half of the middle east by 2014 with Dumbfuck in Chief Mittens in command, be my guest. Don't even dare try to bitch or moan about the state of the country or the dead soldiers come home in boxes by the hundreds every week in two or three years. You made your bed, you shit in your bed, enjoy laying in your bed.
JeffHCross
10-24-2012, 08:16 PM
Perhaps you do need the government to take care of every aspect of your life.I know you're a more rational person than this. I think you just enough stirring the political pot :D
morsdraconis
10-24-2012, 08:18 PM
I know you're a more rational person than this.
Have you looked at the insane shit he's posted in this thread? He's one of those ultra-conservatives that has no grip on reality. :smh:
JeffHCross
10-24-2012, 08:25 PM
Sure. But I've also seen plenty of rational things he's posted in other threads.
souljahbill
10-24-2012, 09:45 PM
Guys, it's the right propaganda thread. The whole thread is essentially Fox News. I don't understand why y'all get so heated. Everything posted by right-wingers is going to heavily slant towards the right. You gotta just accept it for what it is. And even if you disagree, you can disagree civily.
bdoughty
10-25-2012, 05:22 AM
And perhaps all you Republicans fucktards need to kiss my ass. I hope Obama wins and I hope he fucks all of you over.
:fdown:
SCClassof93
10-25-2012, 05:50 AM
No, more like the whole country will be fucked over. Remember things after 8 years of Bush? If you fucking idiots want to go right back to that, be my guest. If you fucking idiots want to get the US involved in wars in Syria, Iran and probably half of the middle east by 2014 with Dumbfuck in Chief Mittens in command, be my guest. Don't even dare try to bitch or moan about the state of the country or the dead soldiers come home in boxes by the hundreds every week in two or three years. You made your bed, you shit in your bed, enjoy laying in your bed.
Your last two posts here have been kind of sad :smh:
morsdraconis
10-25-2012, 07:01 AM
Your last two posts here have been kind of sad :smh:
No, what's sad is this thread. To believe that in the small sample size of the US that is the membership of this forum, we would have so many ultra-conservatives is just disheartening. Maybe you people are less of a minority than originally thought. Talk about scary.
SCClassof93
10-25-2012, 07:36 AM
No, what's sad is this thread. To believe that in the small sample size of the US that is the membership of this forum, we would have so many ultra-conservatives is just disheartening. Maybe you people are less of a minority than originally thought. Talk about scary.
Two bitter, sad, guys and both so young :smh:
Two bitter, sad, guys and both so young :smh:
LMAO if I EVER need a good laugh I KNOW that this thread is a gimme.
Oh and Romney is now TIED with The One in MICHIGAN!
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/19905504/michigan-poll-obama-and-romney-in-dead-heat
And that was BEFORE Detroit News' endorsement of......... Romney!
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121025/OPINION01/210250332/1008/opinion01/Editorial-Mitt-Romney-President
Guys, it's the right propaganda thread. The whole thread is essentially Fox News. I don't understand why y'all get so heated. Everything posted by right-wingers is going to heavily slant towards the right. You gotta just accept it for what it is. And even if you disagree, you can disagree civily.
They get so.... heated b/c they cannot stand when their view that only 1% of the population believes in a conservative world view/philosophy. Of course if they were rational, they would look at election results and see that roughly 50% of the country does. But they believe hook, line and sinker everything their lord and savior Mmmh Mmmh Mmmh tells them. It's sad but a telling sign that soo...... many are completely dependent upon the government to survive and even incapable of logical/coherent thought w/o the government telling them what to think/say.
Have your son get caught and take the fall for attempting felonies so your political career as a Democrat can survive. :nod:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57539706/congressmans-son-resigns-after-voter-fraud-video/
baseballplyrmvp
10-25-2012, 09:37 AM
And perhaps all you Republicans fucktards need to kiss my ass. I hope Obama wins and I hope he fucks all of you over.
this goes both ways. in order to fuck over the republicans, he has to fuck over everyone in the country....you included. lol
http://youtu.be/AjSqpm3iC8s
psusnoop
10-25-2012, 09:44 AM
I have an honest question.
If your views are so highly regarded and concrete like you state they are then why in the world is the USA so messed up and in the mess it currently is in?
I know you want to say because of our current President but to which I would then ask how in the world did he get voted in to Presidency when everything was going so "right" before?
The correct answer is because no one side should ever have power for to long because without a little balance everything would become unbalanced and unfair which is why you see power shifts within the Government. There are many good things from both sides of the aisle that get shoot down because of voting with your side that you can't in good conscience say either side has anyone's but their owns agenda first. And their in lays the issue with the great United States of America.
In OHIO Biden talks about all of the ads being run "here in IOWA". What a FUCKING MORON! :nod:
http://youtu.be/Y59DAdjCAKc
JBHuskers
10-25-2012, 09:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlvQW7tI4aE
psusnoop
10-25-2012, 09:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlvQW7tI4aE
:D:D:D:D
I have an honest question.
If your views are so highly regarded and concrete like you state they are then why in the world is the USA so messed up and in the mess it currently is in?
I know you want to say because of our current President but to which I would then ask how in the world did he get voted in to Presidency when everything was going so "right" before?
The correct answer is because no one side should ever have power for to long because without a little balance everything would become unbalanced and unfair which is why you see power shifts within the Government. There are many good things from both sides of the aisle that get shoot down because of voting with your side that you can't in good conscience say either side has anyone's but their owns agenda first. And their in lays the issue with the great United States of America.
I assume the ? is directed at me so I will answer.
Conservative policy/ideas are 0% responsible for the current economic crisis mess we are in.
#1 The most recent "great recession" was caused by the housing market crash? -- YES
#2 The housing market crashed because banks were forced/"strongly encouraged" beginning in the CLINTON (liberal/democrat) presidency to lessen loan standards to the point where anyone with a pulse could get a home loan -- YES
#3 Clinton/Liberals wanted #2 b/c Banks/loan standards are "racist" and EVERYONE (regardless of whether they can afford it) has a RIGHT to a home. -- YES
#1-3 shows that Liberal ideas CAUSED the Recession (if you want to blame Bush/conservatives for not stopping/reversing #1-3 a strong argument can be made for that but to say Bush "caused" it simply isn't true)
#4 since the recession (which as shown above was caused by liberals) Obama has increased our deficit to the tune of > $1,000,000,000,000 each year -- YES
#5 IF elected to a 2nd term Obama will continue > $1,000,000,000,000 deficit spending each year bringing our debt level to the level of or > than Greece -- YES
#6 IF the deficit isn't controlled we will see the same deficit crisis that is currently going on in Europe -- YES
In sum, LIBERAL ideas may be well intentioned but they ALWAYS HAVE "unintended" and easily foreseeable consequences. But if you want to become Greece/Spain/Italy/etc.... which is eventually going to end in a default on debt and a DEPRESSION that will likely be greater than the Great Depression go to the ballot box and vote Democrat.
JBHuskers
10-25-2012, 10:05 AM
To say the Republicans have ZERO blame is the must ridiculous statement on all 23 pages of this thread :D
But of course to a Republican, it's god's will when a woman gets pregnant from rape...so those two must go hand in hand.
psusnoop
10-25-2012, 10:06 AM
I wasn't directing this at anyone but rather the thread.
So all of our problems started with Bill skipped Bush and is finishing with Barack?
I have to believe it goes back further and involves both sides.
skipwondah33
10-25-2012, 10:28 AM
Can't be certain and may be wrong...but didn't we spend quite a bit of money funding a war that I still to this day don't know what good it resulted in?
Not sure how many weapons we found. We did kill a man who by the former President's own words "tried to kill his dad".
Last I heard it was an unfathomable amount of money being spent a month on it. Not sure if that set us back a few trillion or not.
To say the Republicans have ZERO blame is the must ridiculous statement on all 23 pages of this thread :D
But of course to a Republican, it's god's will when a woman gets pregnant from rape...so those two must go hand in hand.
I notice you resort to sarcasm and completely changing the subject when you have nothing intelligent to bring to the table and are obviously not capable of refuting ANY of the points above. Classic liberal divert tactic. Well played sir. Well played. :nod:
I wasn't directing this at anyone but rather the thread.
So all of our problems started with Bill skipped Bush and is finishing with Barack?
I have to believe it goes back further and involves both sides.
#1 I assumed your question referred to the most recent recession/the economy so I limited the post to the direct/proximate cause of the recession and our current economy. The country obviously has other issues/problems.
Do you disagree that the last recession current economy problems were started by the housing crisis? Do you disagree that Liberal policy supported the concept of lessening loan standards for home loans?
#2 No as I CLEARLY said above "if you want to blame Bush/conservatives for not stopping/reversing (the idiotic liberal housing policy that led to the recession) a strong argument can be made for that ...."
In sum, Liberal ideas/policy caused the problem and if you want to blame Conservatives blame them for not stopping liberal policy or blame them for not being REAL conservatives if they supported said liberal ideas/policy.
psusnoop
10-25-2012, 11:23 AM
I notice you resort to sarcasm and completely changing the subject when you have nothing intelligent to bring to the table and are obviously not capable of refuting ANY of the points above. Classic liberal divert tactic. Well played sir. Well played. :nod:
#1 I assumed your question referred to the most recent recession/the economy so I limited the post to the direct/proximate cause of the recession and our current economy. The country obviously has other issues/problems.
Do you disagree that the last recession current economy problems were started by the housing crisis? Do you disagree that Liberal policy supported the concept of lessening loan standards for home loans?
#2 No as I CLEARLY said above "if you want to blame Bush/conservatives for not stopping/reversing (the idiotic liberal housing policy that led to the recession) a strong argument can be made for that ...."
In sum, Liberal ideas/policy caused the problem and if you want to blame Conservatives blame them for not stopping liberal policy or blame them for not being REAL conservatives if they supported said liberal ideas/policy.
Just with that one that I bolded there is a point there but it isn't the whole point. There were other factors that went into the recession of 2008 not just the housing bubble. To say it was just that is silly to say the least.
Just with that one that I bolded there is a point there but it isn't the whole point. There were other factors that went into the recession of 2008 not just the housing bubble. To say it was just that is silly to say the least.
I'm all ears for any other cause of the recession other than anything directly/indirectly associated with the housing bubble and thus the liberal idea to lessen credit standards so that everyone could own a home regardless of whether they could afford one. The banking/insurance sector made STUPID moves associated with the lessening lending standards and sold crappy products to investors who wanted in on these "sure bets".
You take away the housing bubble/bust and most if not all of the economic problems in the private sector are gone.
Interestingly, Clinton largely benefited the MOST from two false bubbles during his presidency: (1) .com bubble (2) fake housing boom
Take away those two false beliefs at the time and the Clinton "boom" economy largely goes away.
morsdraconis
10-25-2012, 11:43 AM
You know how to really prove that neither side has a fuckin' clue about anything? Ask them how to fix a recession. Neither side knows how to ACTUALLY fix it. Time is the only REAL answer you can get out of either of them. Otherwise, no one knows. Economists with Masters degrees in the subject don't know how to fix it or have DRASTICALLY different ideas on how to fix it (neither of which have solid PROOF that it's how you fix the economy).
This country is just one giant bullshitting contest that's hanging by a fishing line over of a cliff and neither side knows how to stop the contest long enough to reel the country back from the ledge. It's disgusting when you think of how both sides actually used to work together to actually DO something.
JBHuskers
10-25-2012, 11:45 AM
I notice you resort to sarcasm and completely changing the subject when you have nothing intelligent to bring to the table and are obviously not capable of refuting ANY of the points above. Classic liberal divert tactic. Well played sir. Well played. :nod:
There really doesn't need to be anything "brought to the table" when such riduclous statements are made. You'd just go to your FOX News On Demand channel and put a spin on anything said in response. To have ZERO liability deserved a response like that.
morsdraconis
10-25-2012, 11:47 AM
I'm all ears for any other cause of the recession other than anything directly/indirectly associated with the housing bubble and thus the liberal idea to lessen credit standards so that everyone could own a home regardless of whether they could afford one. The banking/insurance sector made STUPID moves associated with the lessening lending standards and sold crappy products to investors who wanted in on these "sure bets".
You take away the housing bubble/bust and most if not all of the economic problems in the private sector are gone.
Interestingly, Clinton largely benefited the MOST from two false bubbles during his presidency: (1) .com bubble (2) fake housing boom
Take away those two false beliefs at the time and the Clinton "boom" economy largely goes away.
So wait, at a time when the country had the LARGEST SURPLUS IN IT'S HISTORY, it was actually fake and not a testament to the work that the Clinton administration did to FIX things that Bush Sr and Reagan fucked up? You've got to be fuckin' kidding me right? :fp:
psusnoop
10-25-2012, 11:48 AM
They get so.... heated b/c they cannot stand when their view that only 1% of the population believes in a conservative world view/philosophy. Of course if they were rational, they would look at election results and see that roughly 50% of the country does. But they believe hook, line and sinker everything their lord and savior Mmmh Mmmh Mmmh tells them. It's sad but a telling sign that soo...... many are completely dependent upon the government to survive and even incapable of logical/coherent thought w/o the government telling them what to think/say.
Here your telling us that the government has no place on regulating or making decisions for people and those that want it are not up to your standard.........then
I'm all ears for any other cause of the recession other than anything directly/indirectly associated with the housing bubble and thus the liberal idea to lessen credit standards so that everyone could own a home regardless of whether they could afford one. The banking/insurance sector made STUPID moves associated with the lessening lending standards and sold crappy products to investors who wanted in on these "sure bets".
You take away the housing bubble/bust and most if not all of the economic problems in the private sector are gone.
Interestingly, Clinton largely benefited the MOST from two false bubbles during his presidency: (1) .com bubble (2) fake housing boom
Take away those two false beliefs at the time and the Clinton "boom" economy largely goes away.
Then here when the Government allows people to decide to make their own decisions of whether they can afford a 250K home on a 45K salary which most common sense people know isn't a good decision fails squarely on the hands of the Government for allowing this to happen.
So I ask which is it? Or would you like to have it both ways?
psusnoop
10-25-2012, 11:50 AM
And to be clear I don't want the Government involved in my shit, but I posted that to show you that your saying things both ways to fit your argument.
morsdraconis
10-25-2012, 11:51 AM
So I ask which is it? Or would you like to have it both ways?
Of course. Because both were "liberal's fault". :smh:
You should know by now snoop, you can't bring FACTS into an argument about politics.
psusnoop
10-25-2012, 11:56 AM
Of course. Because both were "liberal's fault". :smh:
You should know by now snoop, you can't bring FACTS into an argument about politics.
Very true, what frustrates me is that I'm not biased towards one side over the other because I get frustrated at both or all sides of government for their continued lack of effort in even the simplest of things.
So wait, at a time when the country had the LARGEST SURPLUS IN IT'S HISTORY, it was actually fake and not a testament to the work that the Clinton administration did to FIX things that Bush Sr and Reagan fucked up? You've got to be fuckin' kidding me right? :fp:
I LONG ago gave up explaining to you logic/facts/reason. I'm NOT surprised that you cannot grasp the concept of more revenue coming into the Government due to BUBBLES (i.e. fake economic growth that will eventually pop) during Clinton's presidency which popped at the beginning (.com) and end (housing) of Bush's presidency.
Here your telling us that the government has no place on regulating or making decisions for people and those that want it are not up to your standard.........then
Then here when the Government allows people to decide to make their own decisions of whether they can afford a 250K home on a 45K salary which most common sense people know isn't a good decision fails squarely on the hands of the Government for allowing this to happen.
So I ask which is it? Or would you like to have it both ways?
The reason is simple as my initial post stated Government forced/"strongly encouraged" the Banks/private sector during the Clinton Administration to make these loans and the banks were happy to do so b/c those loans were backed by the Federal Government.
Government has ZERO business in the housing market and had it been out of the market NO reasonable bank would have made those loans to people with no/limited means and the slim minority (if any) of banks that did would have gone bust faster and thus limited the loss to the economy at large.
During the Clinton Administration, Government DEMANDED that banks satisfied racial quotas (banks according to liberals hate minorities and didn't want to profit off of them by providing them with home loans) for mortgage lending to prove they were not discriminating on the basis of race. This FORCED banks to lower their standards for lending to meet these new quotas. The ball rolls downhill from there.
SCClassof93
10-25-2012, 02:15 PM
So wait, at a time when the country had the LARGEST SURPLUS IN IT'S HISTORY, it was actually fake and not a testament to the work that the Clinton administration did to FIX things that Bush Sr and Reagan fucked up? You've got to be fuckin' kidding me right? :fp:
And you forget that Gingrich controlled the House the last six years of the Clinton admin. I have asked this before mors, are you a government employee?
ram29jackson
10-25-2012, 04:47 PM
I simply doubt Obama gets a second shot
SmoothPancakes
10-25-2012, 06:57 PM
After mending our issues between myself and bdoughty, at his suggestion, I'm making this last post and visit to this thread (I promise this time :D) to post my apologies after blowing my top last night.
The two posts I made last night, my apologies if it offended anyone or changed your opinions of me. I was not being serious in saying that. I'm so damn tired and agitated already from all the election bullshit, between ads in every other commercial, flyers in the mail every day, people knocking on the door every damn day. It sucks ass living in a battleground state and it's getting old.
Last night I got my buttons pushed and I blew. Plain and simple. I wasn't serious in those two posts, I was just plain venting and went overboard. I went Mount St. Helen last night, and without even considering what I was typing or if I even wanted to truly say it/post it, I typed it and hit reply. So no, I don't want anyone to get fucked over. It was just me blowing off all of my built up steam at once.
Besides, honestly, we're all fucked regardless of who wins. It's Congress fucking this country and they're all still gonna be there, regardless of who is President. So regardless of whether it's Obama or Romney, we're unfortunately all getting bent over during the next four years.
I am not against Republicans. I vote for Republicans on the local and state level every election, and while I did not vote for McCain in 2008, I went to see him when he had a rally here in my town that year and back then and still today, I respect him. So I am not all "Republicans are the devil!!!11!". I just feel Romney is not a good choice for this country, just as you guys feel four more years of Obama is not a good choice.
So my apologies for those two "over the cliff" posts and I was not serious in anything I said in them. I was just blowing off all my steam at once and went way too far. Hopefully there are no hard feelings or indifferences between me and anyone else.
Have a good one guys.
Smooth.
bdoughty
10-25-2012, 07:15 PM
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3218/2qvv2j4jpg.gif
morsdraconis
10-25-2012, 07:24 PM
I simply doubt Obama gets a second shot
The Republicans are testing that with, quite possibly, the most idiotic and asinine candidate EVER (yes, even worse than Bush Jr). The dude can't go one appearance without flatout lying about what he plans to do or, at the very least, flipflopping on his previous stance.
SCClassof93
10-25-2012, 08:21 PM
After mending our issues between myself and bdoughty, at his suggestion, I'm making this last post and visit to this thread (I promise this time :D) to post my apologies after blowing my top last night.
The two posts I made last night, my apologies if it offended anyone or changed your opinions of me. I was not being serious in saying that. I'm so damn tired and agitated already from all the election bullshit, between ads in every other commercial, flyers in the mail every day, people knocking on the door every damn day. It sucks ass living in a battleground state and it's getting old.
Last night I got my buttons pushed and I blew. Plain and simple. I wasn't serious in those two posts, I was just plain venting and went overboard. I went Mount St. Helen last night, and without even considering what I was typing or if I even wanted to truly say it/post it, I typed it and hit reply. So no, I don't want anyone to get fucked over. It was just me blowing off all of my built up steam at once.
Besides, honestly, we're all fucked regardless of who wins. It's Congress fucking this country and they're all still gonna be there, regardless of who is President. So regardless of whether it's Obama or Romney, we're unfortunately all getting bent over during the next four years.
I am not against Republicans. I vote for Republicans on the local and state level every election, and while I did not vote for McCain in 2008, I went to see him when he had a rally here in my town that year and back then and still today, I respect him. So I am not all "Republicans are the devil!!!11!". I just feel Romney is not a good choice for this country, just as you guys feel four more years of Obama is not a good choice.
So my apologies for those two "over the cliff" posts and I was not serious in anything I said in them. I was just blowing off all my steam at once and went way too far. Hopefully there are no hard feelings or indifferences between me and anyone else.
Have a good one guys.
Smooth.
Impressive, most impressive, wrong on the congress bit but impressive non the less.
SCClassof93
10-25-2012, 08:21 PM
The Republicans are testing that with, quite possibly, the most idiotic and asinine candidate EVER (yes, even worse than Bush Jr). The dude can't go one appearance without flatout lying about what he plans to do or, at the very least, flipflopping on his previous stance.
:fp:
Obama's Labor Department delaying bad unemployment report this Friday.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/10/29/labor-department-may-delay-jobs-report/
Clinton requested extra security Obama said no.
http://nation.foxnews.com/hillary-clinton/2012/10/26/report-hillary-asked-more-security-benghazi-obama-said-no#ixzz2ARGHdkoE (http://nation.foxnews.com/hillary-clinton/2012/10/26/report-hillary-asked-more-security-benghazi-obama-said-no#ixzz2ARGHdkoE)
Obama ad:
http://youtu.be/KOGh64dyGpc
HILARIOUS Conservative Response:
http://youtu.be/yUJwHoz40hc
http://youtu.be/8asJMw_T61Q
http://youtu.be/h36QfkJOyD4
B/c people w/o power have such easy access to Al Gore's internet....
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83024.html?hp=l10
http://youtu.be/fHNBr3PZQaE
Joe Biden speaks followed by the now required: "I'm Mitt Romney and I approve this message." :nod:
http://youtu.be/OPdTSnmzdb4
ram29jackson
11-02-2012, 08:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh5VPEoKG4A
http://youtu.be/ByRsaeiv2xc
Well today is the day for us Right Wingers to get out to the polls and vote. The election looks like it is going to depend on who's turnout model is right.
A reminder to fellow righties that we shouldn't gloat after tonight as our commie TGTers will likely be going through a depression. :nod:
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/11/06/some-may-suffer-from-post-election-depression/
bdoughty
11-06-2012, 04:23 PM
More like jubilation from MOST everyone here to have the election finally over with. Commies? :fp: Limbaugh would be proud.
JBHuskers
11-06-2012, 05:31 PM
The only time I'll ever watch FOX News is if Obama wins tonight :D
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The only time I'll ever watch FOX News is if Obama wins tonight :D
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Ditto only MSNBC I LOVED their coverage after the Wisconsin recall.
Breaking News..... Mors falls short in West Virginia.
skipwondah33
11-06-2012, 06:33 PM
More like jubilation from MOST everyone here to have the election finally over with. Commies? :fp: Limbaugh would be proud.
+1
Woo....... Romney takes Rick Flair's state South Carolina. :nod:
souljahbill
11-06-2012, 06:59 PM
The south is gonna be red. It's the Bible Belt. Very pro-life and pro-guns. All these states going to Romney is expected.
The south is gonna be red. It's the Bible Belt. Very pro-life and pro-guns. All these states going to Romney is expected.
True. Looks like the race will turn on VA; OH; IA; CO
NE polls closing so the communists are further on the board now.
If what I'm reading/hearing is right looks like it is going to be a close win for The One. Looks like Sandy helped stop Mitt's momentum and the minorities, kids and people that generally want "free stuff" turned out again in solid #s.
bdoughty
11-06-2012, 07:37 PM
NE polls closing so the communists are further on the board now.
the minorities, kids and people that generally want "free stuff" turned out again in solid #s.
Small edit for accuracy.
Small edit for accuracy.
The interesting thing for us in Texas (at least here in Houston) is how many (if any) of the Dem judges lose their jobs tonight after riding the obama wave in 08.
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