XBOX Next Gen Rumor and Speculation Thread - Reveal May 21st

[bdoughty]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/20/xbox-durango-requires-all-games-to-be-installed

I do not mind mandatory installs, I install all my games to the HD. Plus you stick the game in and it installs while you play. The troubling part is the whole Always on Always connected stuff. If I can't play games because my internet is down or XBL is down... The PS4 is starting to look a lot better.

[I OU a Beatn]

Fine by me, I install as my stuff anyway.

I don't like the always online, buts as mors said to me a few weeks ago, it's time I learn to deal with it.

[CLW]

Yep if Sony stays away from this that's a big check mark for the PS4 over the 720.

[CLW]

Here is what two video game "journalists" think and I gotta think if these supposed "insiders" are this anti no used games I cannot imagine how pissed off the average consumer of games is going to be when this comes out:


http://youtu.be/do-h60w8RWE

[I OU a Beatn]

Yep if Sony stays away from this that's a big check mark for the PS4 over the 720.

They're going to have to do a lot more than that. They fucked themselves over in North America with the PS3(and are currently doing an even bigger screw job with the Vita). I firmly believe it's going to take a lot more than the Next Xbox requiring a constant internet connection to take that demographic back. Now I think if the Next Xbox didn't work with used games, that could potentially be a difference maker, but simply requiring an online connection when online gaming is so popular nowadays? Nah.

[morsdraconis]

I don't think the PS4 will have anything to worry about in the US, if they get out the door first. They proved with the PS2 as well as Microsoft proving with the 360, that first out the door wins the race. Now, whether or not that holds true this generation still remains to be seen considering the changing market as a whole, but I think Sony's ability to have everything that the 720 will apparently have will make the PS4 sell better in the end simply because they'll be first to hit the market.

[CLW]

They're going to have to do a lot more than that. They fucked themselves over in North America with the PS3(and are currently doing an even bigger screw job with the Vita). I firmly believe it's going to take a lot more than the Next Xbox requiring a constant internet connection to take that demographic back. Now I think if the Next Xbox didn't work with used games, that could potentially be a difference maker, but simply requiring an online connection when online gaming is so popular nowadays? Nah.

Well the article indicates that the disc is simply to install the game onto your system thus making used games impossible and the online connection checks to make sure your legit. So it's always online (hurts rural america with crappy internet) and its no used games (hurts gamestop, gamefly and people that like to buy/rent used games). Those are two pretty bitter pills to swallow if PS4 beats 720 to launch (50/50 in my mind) it could easily turn people off and the war could be over before it even starts. Also if/when hackers decide they want to take down Live that's going to piss off a ton of people that their $400 - $500 console is just a box of crap for days. At least when PSN went down you could still play most games.


I don't think the PS4 will have anything to worry about in the US, if they get out the door first. They proved with the PS2 as well as Microsoft proving with the 360, that first out the door wins the race. Now, whether or not that holds true this generation still remains to be seen considering the changing market as a whole, but I think Sony's ability to have everything that the 720 will apparently have will make the PS4 sell better in the end simply because they'll be first to hit the market.

Yeah Americans want the first thing in the market even if it is a POS (rings of death didn't seem to hurt MS at all). Sony needs to be first. Hell even a week earlier could be huge due to the "I must have the latest/greatest" mentality in this country.

[JBHuskers]

If some of these things are true, it might be like I did with the 360, waited a couple years. I'm still pretty sure I'm going to get the PS4 as close to launch as possible.

[I OU a Beatn]

Even if Microsoft eliminated used games and required an online connection, I still believe they would win the US.

For me personally, I'll be waiting until the next Xbox is revealed and I'll go from there. I wasn't impressed at all by Sony's "unveiling"(except for Killzone, and let's be honest, it's known for looking beautiful and then having awful game play) and considering these consoles are going to be virtually identical specs wise, I'm going with the one that has the best user interface and the best online feature implementation.

I'd call it now: Microsoft wins the US handily, Sony dominates Japan, and then Sony barely edges out Microsoft in Europe. Basically a repeat of this gen, unless of course, one of them makes a massively stupid decision on something.

[GatorfanStovy]

They just better not make it a must online connection. Just dumb. I don't care to much about the old games I'll keep my 360 until it dies. I just hope we can cross platform like playing call of duty on save servers but diferen't systems etc.

[oweb26]

They just better not make it a must online connection. Just dumb. I don't care to much about the old games I'll keep my 360 until it dies. I just hope we can cross platform like playing call of duty on save servers but diferen't systems etc.

Won't happen

[morsdraconis]

Yup. That'll NEVER happen.

[GatorfanStovy]

I know people I'm just dreaming big . mean shit they have billions of $$ , so Wtf not eh

[NatureBoy]

I'm pretty sure I will be sitting on the sidelines for at least a year or two on the new systems. I went through five red rings of death the first six months after I bought a 360 on launch day. I was at the point of saying screw it and wait on the PS3 to be released.

[cdj]

Is this the new X-Box logo?

http://i.imgur.com/kOlILNS.jpg

[JBHuskers]

Looks like two band-aids.

[I OU a Beatn]

Looks extremely fake to me. I could do better than that.

[SmoothPancakes]

Looks extremely fake to me. I could do better than that.

You never know. Look at the Mountain West logo in college sports, and that turned out to be the actual logo. :fp:

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/aL63xi7PD2E


http://youtu.be/R23QQd0Jq2o


http://youtu.be/rMCf2IRZI8U


http://youtu.be/baXBEY5bdb4

[GatorfanStovy]

Oh come I wanna know what the system will look like and if it has blu ray.

[CLW]

Oh come I wanna know what the system will look like and if it has blu ray.

It will be a box and it will most likely have blue ray. There you go.

[SmoothPancakes]

It will be a box and it will most likely have blue ray. There you go.

:D

[JBHuskers]

It will be a box and it will most likely have blue ray. There you go.

There will be an X somewhere too on the box.

[SmoothPancakes]

There will be an X somewhere too on the box.

And it'll most likely be black.

[GatorfanStovy]

Y'All are funny .. I know that was a dumb idiot questions. I dunno what I was thinking.

[JBHuskers]

Y'All are funny .. I know that was a dumb idiot questions. I dunno what I was thinking.

You expect any less from this group? :D

[oweb26]

It will be a box and it will most likely have blue ray. There you go.


There will be an X somewhere too on the box.

Well Played gentleman.

[bdoughty]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/04/more-details-on-always-online-xbox-revealed

Still rumor but if true PS4 is looking much better for me.

Speaking to Kotaku, an unspecified source stated, "If the connection is interrupted then after a period of time -- currently three minutes, if I remember correctly -- the game/app is suspended and the network troubleshooter started."

[GatorfanStovy]

Damn you xbox , damn you I say. This whole Wifi to play will be stupid. So going in the wrong direction .

[bdoughty]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=534951

Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online

http://i5.minus.com/jF1Mjq5MZmVHd.png


More at the link. Not looking good Microsoft.

[CLW]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=534951

Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online

http://i5.minus.com/jF1Mjq5MZmVHd.png


More at the link. Not looking good Microsoft.

LMFAO this could easily turn into a PR debacle for MS and just hand Sony the next console generation.

[CLW]

http://t.qkme.me/3tpl21.jpg

[CLW]

2 possibilities here:

#1 - MS sent out this Orth guy as a trial balloon to see how fierce the blowback would be for a DRM console before making a "final" decision about whether to include it in the 720 or not

#2 - This Orth guy is a MORON and if I were MS he wouldn't be at the office after today

[CLW]

lmfao this shizzle has blown up twitter and the youtubes:


http://youtu.be/cW28VSmXnCo

[I OU a Beatn]

A. That guy who made those comments is a fucking idiot. I don't care who you are, you don't belittle your customers and tell them to basically "fuck off" if they don't like your system.

B. There is NO way that Microsoft goes online only and no used games alone. If they do, you can bet your ass Sony will be following in their footsteps. They might not follow in the online required aspect, but they'll be the first ones to follow Microsoft with the no used games. Let's not forget who has been the biggest supporter and user of the online pass, this generation's version of trying to eliminate used games. Let's also not forget that they have a patent that eliminates used games, so I truly believe that if one of them does it, the other will follow.

I personally don't care about either issue. I'm getting both regardless. If you believed the idiots on N4G, you'd think the next Xbox is already doomed, but of course, they're all raging Sony loyalists. I truly don't get this whole "brand allegiance." It's extremely weird.

[CLW]

A. That guy who made those comments is a fucking idiot. I don't care who you are, you don't belittle your customers and tell them to basically "fuck off" if they don't like your system.

B. There is NO way that Microsoft goes online only and no used games alone. If they do, you can bet your ass Sony will be following in their footsteps. They might not follow in the online required aspect, but they'll be the first ones to follow Microsoft with the no used games. Let's not forget who has been the biggest supporter and user of the online pass, this generation's version of trying to eliminate used games. Let's also not forget that they have a patent that eliminates used games, so I truly believe that if one of them does it, the other will follow.

I personally don't care about either issue. I'm getting both regardless. If you believed the idiots on N4G, you'd think the next Xbox is already doomed, but of course, they're all raging Sony loyalists. I truly don't get this whole "brand allegiance." It's extremely weird.

A - agree 100% the absolute WORST way to "sell" this idea

B - Disagree 100% this could be the "issue" that DEFINES the next-gen console "war". Clearly that is the "trend" but Sony could easily say let MS be the 1st one to try it and win this generation's console war and then next time (in 7-10 years when the PS5 comes out) do the DRM in a much more tactful way than MS has done.

[SmoothPancakes]

I personally don't care about either issue. I'm getting both regardless. If you believed the idiots on N4G, you'd think the next Xbox is already doomed, but of course, they're all raging Sony loyalists. I truly don't get this whole "brand allegiance." It's extremely weird.

Because people are fucktards who feel every single thing between two products has to be a war and you must choose one or the other. I'll play the system that does what I want/need it to do and the system where the majority of my friends are so I can play multiplayer in games with them. Be it Xbox or PS4, I don't give a fuck. I've never understood these fucktards who treat Microsoft-Sony like Allies-Nazis. It's a goddamn console. Choose the one that works best for you (or get BOTH!) and be happy and then shut the fuck up about all the stupid "this one is the best", "no that one is the best" bullshit.

[GatorfanStovy]

Agree with all you of. People need to find the best system for their needs not the rest of the world. I ended up with both 360 and ps3 since I enjoy all games on each side. The next generation system purchase for me will be different. I will go xbox first and stay with it for a while. All my friends are on xbox so that settles that for me. I may end up with a ps4 down the road after a big price drop or sale. But I still hate this damn thought of having to be connected 24/7 to play games.

[SmoothPancakes]

Agree with all you of. People need to find the best system for their needs not the rest of the world. I ended up with both 360 and ps3 since I enjoy all games on each side. The next generation system purchase for me will be different. I will go xbox first and stay with it for a while. All my friends are on xbox so that settles that for me. I may end up with a ps4 down the road after a big price drop or sale. But I still hate this damn thought of having to be connected 24/7 to play games.

Yep, I don't know why that is so hard for people. I owned by a PS2 and an original Xbox last-gen, and played both a lot, splitting time between each. This generation, I got a 360 because that was where all my friends are and because it has the exclusives that I like (Halo for instance). The only true exclusive on the PS3 that I would be interested in would be MLB: The Show. So 360 was my console of choice and while considering getting a PS4 at one point, I never got around to doing so. Next-gen, I'll probably go Xbox first again just because of it being where all my friends are and Halo being an exclusive to it. And then a year or two after that, consider getting a PS4. Now if only the rest of the idiots in the world would give the fanboy shit a rest and just go with the console they prefer and be done with the bitching or fighting over consoles.

[I OU a Beatn]

B - Disagree 100% this could be the "issue" that DEFINES the next-gen console "war". Clearly that is the "trend" but Sony could easily say let MS be the 1st one to try it and win this generation's console war and then next time (in 7-10 years when the PS5 comes out) do the DRM in a much more tactful way than MS has done.

If one of them decides to do away with used games, the other one wont have a choice. People get their panties in a bunch because they only think about themselves, hence all these "if Microsoft doesn't support used games then they will fail" articles. The publisher for games does not see a single penny from used games sales. Not one. They make all their money off a certain game on new copies sold. They couldn't give 2 shits if people didn't buy a certain console because it didn't support used games because they were never technically their customer in the first place.

What I believe would happen if say Microsoft didn't allow used games and Sony did is that you would see pressure from publishers for Sony to do the same, so that every copy sold is some more money in their pockets. Who's to say that if they refused, publishers would drop support completely? Sony or Microsoft aren't a damn thing without publishers putting all the games on their respective systems.

Let me also remind you that Sony has not come right out and said "we will support used games." I realize there was a quote during an interview after the reveal, but I don't put much weight into a high up member of Sony having to ask his adviser what their stance was.

It's not like Sony's against it. Virtually every single one of their first party games has that stupid online pass, something EA doesn't even always do. That's saying something.

But, I digress. I don't think either one of them will actually ban used games...yet. I'd almost guarantee this is the last generation of physical media, so I don't see why everyone is bitching about used games when it's only a matter of time before everything is digital and used games are gone anyway.

[I OU a Beatn]

And yeah, Smooth, I agree completely. I don't have some weird brand loyalty. I do play more on my 360, but I sure as hell don't talk shit to my PS3 while I'm doing so. Hell, I don't even think about it. I pick the game and play it for whatever system I have it for.

I usually enjoy reading other people's input on certain stories, and if it involves the Xbox or PS, I might as well not even bother, because it's the same old thing. I mean if you want to lose hope in humanity's future, go read some articles on N4G about the next Xbox or PS and look at the user's comments. It's a very, very, VERY pro PS site, so you literally get a bunch of weirdos praising everything Sony does and bitching and complaining about Microsoft. I have to laugh in a way considering Microsoft hasn't even revealed the thing and they're just basing their opinions off of rumors, but still...it's really annoying. I guess I just don't understand it.

[I OU a Beatn]

Developers close to Microsoft have claimed the next-gen console’s hardware is currently being tweaked, as hardware boffins work to “align” the new home machine with the power offered by Sony’s recently revealed PlayStation4.

Speaking to Eurogamer, Ubisoft Montreal CEO Yannis Mallat said the new home Xbox will be “aligned with what Sony announced” in terms of hardware power, also adding: “It’s going to be connected. It’s going to be social. It’s going to be immersive. It’s going to be interactive.”

Meanwhile, Kotaku, the US aggregator of anything games related or from or even near Japan, says its sources claim the next-generation Xbox controller is virtually unchanged from the Xbox 360 device, perhaps only offering refined curves and a slightly smaller footprint. No sign of any second screen or touchpad on this one.

Gizmodo (http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/04/rumour-xbox-720-aligned-with-ps4-controller-almost-entirely-unchanged/)

I guess you can file this under "duh." I kind of figured that since this gen was so close tech wise, the upcoming gen will be the same. Kudos to MS for keeping the controller virtually the same. I love it's design(p.s. fix the d-pad).

[bdoughty]

Sunhi at Neogaf is a legend

http://i.minus.com/iZ4Xc7uzxvJUA.gif

[SmoothPancakes]

:fp:

[bdoughty]

:fp:

Lighten up Francis. ;)

[SmoothPancakes]

Lighten up Francis. ;)

It's just that it's already been killed. Like all those pictures that CLW posted in the meme thread. The first two or three were funny, then it just got stupid and by the end of the how the hell ever many pictures that were in that post, it was beyond stupid and overkilled now. It's been killed, beaten and charred to a crisp in the less than a day or however long it's been since it first happened on Twitter. It's just dumb as hell and unfunny now.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/FtbXrdfM-VE

[GatorfanStovy]

Your still dumb as crap Microsoft for doing this! At least allow games to be played offline for crisis shack. So freaking dumb!

[bdoughty]

crisis shack.

Is this where Adam Orth has gone into hiding?

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/50mq8-aw_ZA

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/DoVaAbcdeCA

[I OU a Beatn]

Rumors of the next Xbox's use of an AMD-based chipset have been circulating for months, and now Bloomberg is lending further credence to the claim. According to the news organization's anonymous sources, the system will utilize a chip based on AMD's Jaguar APU architecture. The article also claims that, because of the move away from Power PC technology to an x86 system, current Xbox 360 discs won't work with Microsoft's next console. This puts the possibility of hardware-based backwards compatibility in jeopardy.

While the report offers no additional details on the specifics of the hardware, it falls in line with purported specs leaked earlier this year, which claimed the system would utilize a 1.6GHz 8-core AMD CPU. If true, the next Xbox would be comparable to the PlayStation 4, which Sony has confirmed will use an 8-core AMD processor based on the same Jaguar architecture. Whether or not Microsoft's silicon will outpace the PS4 in terms of clocking speed or number of cores, however, remains unknown.

The news follows reports earlier today that Microsoft is planning to reveal its next console at an event on May 21st.

Source (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/09/bloomberg-next-xbox-to-use-amd-based-cpu)

Unsurprisingly, that basically confirms these 2 systems are going to be able to perform virtually identically. Maybe now all those "Xbox is doomed" articles will finally stop.

Since I'll be getting both systems, I'm really pleased with that. The days of garbage ports should finally be over. With both systems using extremely similar architecture, they should look and perform equally well. Of course, that falls squarely on Sony for wisely deciding to drop the Cell.

[I OU a Beatn]

Microsoft is working hard in its new strategy for the next years. The company wants to expand its Xbox brand with two new Xbox. One would be next-gen, the other one would be a new redesign for Xbox 360. Take in mind the Wii Mini, MS would like to offer something similar to Nintendo. This cheap model would be focused as a set top box product, although you will be able to load games too, but the games should be load directly from the HDD. This Xbox wouldn’t have disc drive.

We have received new information about the latest Xbox Roadmap. Our source unveils new details for Durango, Xbox mini and the Microsoft strategy; moreover we don’t forget Kinect 2.0.

Update: We are going to update our previous information. We would like to clarify the Xbox Mini function for avoiding any misunderstood about the new machine.

Xbox Mini

The “Xbox Mini” is not a 360 add-on, it is a stand alone product that contains Xbox 360 functions for gaming, and alone it is meant to compete with Apple TV. Since it is likely it will not have a disc drive, it is being designed with “always online” in mind, and with internet being required for Live functions. Xbox 360 Games can be played on it by purchasing Games on Demand on Xbox Live (for new purchases) or if already purchased, simply download it. This also applies to music and movies. To further clarify, the Durango will also have these (TV) functions, just with next-genration gaming hardware instead of Xbox 360 at a higher price.

When used with Durango, it offers connectivity with it for backwards compatibility with both disc based and On Demand games, and it’s no more different than what Sony will be doing with Gaikai for playing PS3 games on PS4, only with Xbox it will be done locally and not through the cloud. You can control the Xbox Mini under a single interface and not have to worry about switching between devices in a single display input.

These connectivity functions cannot work with existing Xbox 360 units due to the difference in external interface. The Xbox Mini was designed for this along side Durango.
Microsoft expands its Xbox brand

Getting to the point there are going to be two console as part of the redesigned “Xbox Line” of products. A repackaged and reoriented Xbox 360 unit and the new “Durango” gaming console, both designed to compete with more than Sony in gaming, but against Apple as well.

When the Durango (game machine) launches, it will not support backwards compatibility for 360 games out of the box. Instead, this functionality will come from the other unit that will be networked with the Durango to provide this (not unlike the DVD add-on for the original Xbox).

The purpose of the smaller Xbox unit is to compete with Apple TV, but also provides XBLA and 360 game support which will give it an edge over Apple TV. The rumors of “always online required” comes from the smaller Xbox unit which may not have a disc drive and like Apple TV it would require a network connection and internet to provide any real functionality. It may be possible they will design both consoles to be stackable.

Durango itself will also always be online like any other device (correct with rumors), but it will not be a requirement to play local content and it will not prevent playing used games. Putting in an Xbox 360 disc into Durango will prompt the user to attach the supporting device that is sold separately. By separating the two devices and their functions it will ensure price competitiveness for both pieces of hardware. Microsoft’s delay in announcing these products from April goes more inline with not having a physical set of devices to show (among specification updates), which should be ready by May or June when this information is officially released.

The price goal of the smaller Xbox is $149 or lower and it is likely to not have a disc drive and would require a network connection. Durango will be priced competitively according to PS4′s price.
Kinect 2.0

A different department within Xbox handles Kinect hardware and software. The focus was more on developing and networking both consoles with Kinect more of an after thought at that point, considering dealing with it would be less of an issue even with hardware changes to the main console hardware. Kinect isn’t the primary focus.

The development kits required several pieces of hardware as to combine all “potential” hardware which may or may not be required to work with each other, which also includes the potential for any or all devices to required a network connection, which is where most of the “required” rumors are coming from.

Same source that correctly leaked PS4 details before announcement (http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-xbox-roadmap-2013/)

Sounds good to me. Bring me Gears, Halo, or a new Alan Wake and you'll get my money.

[SmoothPancakes]

Yeah, I didn't read anything in there that would keep me from buying it. Looks like Xbox solidified itself as my main purchase of the next-gen consoles, with consideration to PS4 sometime down the road after that.

And I'll be fine with just the Durango console as it's not like I'm going to just throw my one and a half year old 360 Slim in the trash just because a new console is coming out. So I'll just keep using my 360S for 360 and Arcade games. Just will need to make room for the new console next to it.

[GatorfanStovy]

Same here I will be only getting the gaming console it self no need for a little xbox. I just want it to be November already ha. I'm ready for a new system to rise up.

[AustinWolv]

And I'll be fine with just the Durango console as it's not like I'm going to just throw my one and a half year old 360 Slim in the trash just because a new console is coming out. So I'll just keep using my 360S for 360 and Arcade games. Just will need to make room for the new console next to it.
This.

And waiting a while until price comes down and/or issues are sorted out. Not sure I need to rush out for a Durango as I don't need to be the first to play a certain game. Maybe when the next-gen NCAA comes out.....

[SmoothPancakes]

This.

And waiting a while until price comes down and/or issues are sorted out. Not sure I need to rush out for a Durango as I don't need to be the first to play a certain game. Maybe when the next-gen NCAA comes out.....

Yeah, I'm not planning on buying an next-gen console, of either brand, until end of 2014 or sometime in 2015 at the earliest. Companies will keep supporting the 360 like they did with the original Xbox and PS2, so I'll still be able to get all the games I want to purchase.

Until then, I'll be waiting until either a new Halo comes out or until NCAA comes out on the next-gen console and it is clearly superior to the current product that we have right now on 360/PS3 and it plays great. If that NCAA comes out on the new consoles, then I would consider moving up my purchasing time-frame.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/YI8BFzT3Ji4

LMAO why would I want to have my gaming console help me with my cable package? It's a simple button press on my remote to change from one source to another.

[I OU a Beatn]

LMAO why would I want to have my gaming console help me with my cable package? It's a simple button press on my remote to change from one source to another.

If they implement voice and motion controls with Kinect and they price it right, it will sell like hotcakes. That's what I always tell everyone when they say Microsoft isn't focusing on gaming anymore. They're not. They have realized that they can make just as much of a profit going after entertainment apps and subscription services, and when you combine that with gaming capabilities, you have a very well rounded console that they can market to virtually anyone.

But like I said, they need to price it right. If they charge $500 for it, I just don't see them being able to rake in those people who just want it as a companion device for their TV experience.

[I OU a Beatn]

Game Informer has learned from sources close to the matter that Orth is no longer with Microsoft. A call to Microsoft's main switchboard confirmed this fact. Our sources, who wish to remain anonymous, suggest that Orth resigned in the wake of last week's events. We haven't been able to confirm whether this was a voluntary or forced resignation.

Not surprising.

[CLW]

Not surprising.

Nope. Most likely got a nice severance package in exchange for a NDA and agreement to Microsoft's very own witness protection program. Mr. Orth is now Mr. Jones living in one of those cities he claimed he would never live in. :nod:

[I OU a Beatn]

Microsoft is working on a number of launch titles for its new Xbox console. One of the first games to launch on the next Xbox will be Ryse, according to multiple sources familiar with Microsoft's Xbox plans. Microsoft originally unveiled Ryse at E3 2011, promising an exclusive Xbox 360 release with Kinect functionality. A release has never materialized for Xbox 360 and the company has remained fairly silent about the title's progress, noting that it was still in development in mid-2012 and again earlier this year. The Verge understands that Crytek, along with Microsoft Studios, has been rewriting the game to take advantage of its next-generation console, due later this year.

We're told Ryse is designed to be Microsoft's new Gears of War / Halo mega launch title. It's set in the Roman Empire period and uses deep Kinect integration to allow players to slash and kick at enemies. We understand that Ryse will take advantage of the new body tracking improvements in the next Kinect sensor. Ryse is part of four major launch titles for the next-generation Xbox. Sources tell us that a new Forza title with "super life-like" graphics will also be made available at launch, alongside a zombie game and a family game set on an island with Pixar movie-style graphics. We're told that the family game will utilize Kinect to scan a body and generate a virtual character in the game.

We understand that these four titles are a small selection of the launch titles for the next-generation Xbox. Third-party support is said to be strong in the first-person-shooter genre. Microsoft is also working on some improvements to Xbox Live, including a switch to currency over the Microsoft Points system. Microsoft is expected to hold a special Xbox event in May, ahead of a full unveiling at E3 in June.

Well, that confirms next Xbox first for me more than likely. I have wanted to play Ryse ever since I first laid eyes on it, and I'm really glad they're still doing it...it was originally supposed to come out on 360 and since it hasn't been talked about in 2 years, I assumed it had been canned. On top of that, Forza is my favorite racing series, even more so than Gran Turismo(never thought I'd say that a few years ago).

I wonder what the zombie game is.

[gschwendt]

I wonder what the zombie game is.
Probably State of Decay's "Class 4" portion... the part that makes it more like an MMO. Or maybe they've decided to just make SoD a next gen title...

[I OU a Beatn]

Probably State of Decay's "Class 4" portion... the part that makes it more like an MMO. Or maybe they've decided to just make SoD a next gen title...

You might be right, I totally forgot it was eventually involving into an online game. I don't think State of Decay is going to be next gen. As far as I know, they were getting close to entering certification a few weeks ago, so that leads me to believe it's only a month or two away from release.

I guess my inner Left 4 Dead fanboy is hoping for L4D3, but I sincerely doubt that's a possibility.

[gschwendt]

I guess my inner Left 4 Dead fanboy is hoping for L4D3, but I sincerely doubt that's a possibility.
I would love for more L4D but Valve as a developer has been beginning to frustrate me the past year or two... it's time for them to come out with something new but at this point, if it's not HL3, people will revolt.

[bdoughty]

I would love for more L4D but Valve as a developer has been beginning to frustrate me the past year or two... it's time for them to come out with something new but at this point, if it's not HL3, people will revolt.

Their offering at E3 2012 was horrible. So horrible they are not even going to be at this years E3. (http://e313.mapyourshow.com/5_0/exhibitor_results.cfm?type=alpha&alpha=V) I am starting to think Gabe enjoys talking about games more than actually making them these days. Plus he probably enjoys counting all the money made off of Steam and Dota 2.

[GatorfanStovy]

A new Forza title already dang. it is gonna one long wait for the next xbox. Promising library of games so far coming out. It is too bad NCAA or Madden won't hit it until next summer.

[gschwendt]

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/04/24/source-next-xbox-reveal-set-for-may-21.aspx

Source: Next Xbox Reveal Set For May 21

Game Informer has just received word that Microsoft is about to send out invitations for an unveiling event for the next Xbox. According to our source, who has asked for anonymity, the proceedings will take place on May 21 in Redmond, Washington.

While the presentation will be held in an intimate setting, it will be streamed live on Xbox.com, Xbox Live, and Spike TV in the US and Canada. Invitations to the press and publishing partners are expected to go out shortly. Game Informer has reached out to Microsoft for comment.

[I OU a Beatn]

MY BODY IS READY!

Give me a new Gears, Halo, or Alan Wake while you're at it, Microsoft. Please.

[CLW]

MY BODY IS READY!

Give me a new Gears, Halo, or Alan Wake while you're at it, Microsoft. Please.

No. #DealWithIt :nod:

[JBHuskers]

MY BODY IS READY!

Give me a new Gears, Halo, or Alan Wake while you're at it, Microsoft. Please.

I have this weird feeling that games could have a backseat on this reveal.

[bdoughty]

I have this weird feeling that games could have a backseat on this reveal.

It will go something like...

Celebs carrying around Xbox gift bags.
Kinect 2.0.
Celebs carrying around Xbox gift bags.
Kinect 2.0.
Video montage of some games including an unveiling of an EA game.
Specs and features detailed.
Celebs carrying around Xbox gift bags.
Did we mention Kinect 2.0?
Long rant about how the Next Box will do everything and Social media, blah blah blah. Xbox Live detail for the upcoming system.
Celebs with Xbox Gift bags leaving to go score some coke, paid for by the swag in the Xbox Gift Bag.

[JBHuskers]

You forgot XBOX TV :D

[I OU a Beatn]

I have this weird feeling that games could have a backseat on this reveal.

Doubt it. I realize if you read around the internet with the doom and gloom articles, it's easy to think that, but Microsoft has way too many studios that have been way too quiet for way too long. Alan Wake is almost certainly in development. Gears of War Judgment was mostly handled by People Can Fly instead of Epic, and with Epic's love affair with Microsoft, it's almost guaranteed they're either working on a real Gears or something else that will be exclusive to Microsoft. Halo 5 is most definitely in development and probably has been for well over a year. Forza will be getting a new entry in the series. Ryse will almost definitely be revealed. Black Tusk Studios was created a year or two ago and has been tasked with creating "the next blockbuster" and it's a Microsoft owned studio. There's also rumors of a new Fable game, possibly a MMO.

There's several others that have been mentioned, too. Whether or not any of those are actually revealed at the announcement event is anybody's guess, but they definitely have plenty of exclusive titles in the works. When you consider that Sony really didn't set the bar that high(they revealed 3 exclusives by my count, 2 of which being sequels to series that have performed under their expectations sales wise), Microsoft doesn't really HAVE to go crazy and reveal a high number of games to have a successful conference.

Reveal Halo or Gears, show what Black Tusk Studios is working on, reveal Alan Wake 2, show off Ryse, and then go in depth about the improvements to Live, graphical capabilities, UI, show the console, give a reasonable price, and you'd have a lot of happy people willing to shell out money on launch day.

[CLW]

Crossing my fingers MS is DUMB enough to not even mention games. IF they go that route they are going to get CRUSHED unless they do something absolutely INSANE - like give me 5000 live cable channels for free while making my own microbrew.

[I OU a Beatn]

It would be funny if any console maker did that, but it's unrealistic to expect that. :D

[SmoothPancakes]

Crossing my fingers MS is DUMB enough to not even mention games. IF they go that route they are going to get CRUSHED unless they do something absolutely INSANE - like give me 5000 live cable channels for free while making my own microbrew.

And why all the hate and wishing for MS to fuck up in some way?

[CLW]

It would be funny if any console maker did that, but it's unrealistic to expect that. :D

Yeah. I do expect them to bring up their big exclusives. However, my hunch is Sony is focused 75%+ on gaming where MS MIGHT actually be 50/50 now or even less than 50% focused on games with the 720.


And why all the hate and wishing for MS to fuck up in some way?

You seriously need to get it out of your head that everything I post is serious. I swear I need a signature that reads..... the views expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of its author. :nod:

[I OU a Beatn]

...and besides, let's be realistic here. Microsoft could literally not reveal any games, have a higher priced console than Sony, and have the ridiculous no used games and required online access to play games. As long as they secure the timed exclusive DLC for Call of Duty and have the Xbox logo beamed at the end of the Call of Duty commercials, Microsoft wins North America. It's really as simple as that for them.

But, for the record, I'm expecting them to announce at least 2 of those games I mentioned earlier. Like I said, there's just way too studios under Microsoft control that have been quiet for too long for there not to be a few exclusives announced during the reveal.

[SmoothPancakes]

Yeah. I do expect them to bring up their big exclusives. However, my hunch is Sony is focused 75%+ on gaming where MS MIGHT actually be 50/50 now or even less than 50% focused on games with the 720.



You seriously need to get it out of your head that everything I post is serious. I swear I need a signature that reads..... the views expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of its author. :nod:

My bad man. It just came across to me like you were seriously hoping for them to fuck up in some way. It just seemed like some of your posts in recent weeks have been almost like you wanted MS to blow it. I know there are some out there who do want that to happen, all the console war douchetards who want every console but their preferred console to fail, which I don't understand.

People bitch all the time about EA having exclusivity in college and pro football games, well, it would be the same thing in the consoles if one failed, MS or Sony would have free reign. Right now the market can support 2 consoles (3 if you include the Wii), so in this case, having Sony and MS going head to head is good for everyone since it keeps them pushing things to try and reel in more buyers. If Sony or MS take over sole possession of the console market, why would they need to keep pushing the envelope, at a potential loss to themselves, when there's no one else in the market to do anything about it?

So my bad. A misreading and misunderstanding on my part.

[souljahbill]

Didn't Major Nelson say this event is for the system and E3 almost 3 weeks later would be about the games?

[bdoughty]

You seriously need to get it out of your head that everything I post is serious. I swear I need a signature that reads..... the views expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of its author. :nod:

Just a thought but when you are not being serious give this a try.

;) The wink will eliminate all confusion.

Honestly, you make it very difficult to detect when you are trying to be sarcastic.

[morsdraconis]

Didn't Major Nelson say this event is for the system and E3 almost 3 weeks later would be about the games?

Yes. And that's how it will be. It'll be like the PS4 presentation. Little bit of game stuff, a WHOLE LOT of hardware and software stuff.

[bdoughty]

Yes. And that's how it will be. It'll be like the PS4 presentation. Little bit of game stuff, a WHOLE LOT of hardware and software stuff.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaand... Douchebag Celebs galore! (https://www.google.com/search?q=MTV+Presents:+The+Next+Generation+Xbox+Re vealed&client=firefox-a&hs=IXz&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=o_t4UcqECoSk8gThsYC4Aw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoATgK&biw=1920&bih=920)

[CLW]

List of Xbox 720 Games

Game
Source and Information


Ryse (http://www.ign.com/games/ryse/xbox-360-77597)
An anonymous source suggests that Ryse (the first-person Roman combat game first revealed in 2010) has been "re-worked into a next-generation game designed to be Microsoft's new Gears of War / Halo mega launch title.” The game is said to “take advantage of the new body tracking improvements in the next Kinect sensor.” [1] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/11/ryse-forza-rumored-as-xbox-720-launch-titles)


Forza Motorsport 5
An anonymous source suggests that a new entry in the Forza series with "super life-like graphics" will be a launch title on the next Xbox. [2] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/11/ryse-forza-rumored-as-xbox-720-launch-titles) Job listings also suggested in 2012 that a next-gen version was in the works. [3] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/25/is-forza-5-already-in-the-works)


Halo 5
Before the release of Halo 4, 343 Industries confirmed that it was the first part of a new Halo trilogy. [4] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/08/28/halo-fest-the-new-halo-trilogy-has-a-name) In 2012, 343 job listings were posted “to help create the current and next generation of game visuals in the Halo universe.” [5] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/17/is-a-next-gen-halo-already-in-the-works)


Destiny (http://www.ign.com/wikis/destiny)
Destiny is confirmed for "the Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system from Microsoft and the PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system, as well as other future console platforms", which presumably means the next Xbox and PlayStation 4 (http://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/PlayStation_4_Games).[6] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/18/bungies-destiny-not-coming-in-2013)


Call of Duty: Ghosts (http://www.ign.com/wikis/call-of-duty-ghosts)
Developer Infinity Ward posted a job listing on its site calling for a senior animator with "interest in working with next-generation technologies." [7] (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1216730p1.html) The game is rumored to be called Ghosts. [8] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/22/next-call-of-duty-reportedly-called-ghosts)


Dragon Age III: Inquisition (http://www.ign.com/wikis/dragon-age-3)
Despite being announced by BioWare for a release in 2013, the resume of an EA Shanghai level designer suggested that the "scope" of the game has changed and that it "will be postponed to 2014" and "target next gen platforms." [9] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/28/dragon-age-iii-shifts-to-next-gen-aiming-for-2014)


The Evil Within (http://www.ign.com/wikis/the-evil-within)
The newest game from Resident Evil creator Shinji Mikami was announced by Bethesda for a 2014 release on "next-generation consoles," [10] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/19/shinji-mikamis-new-game-is-the-evil-within)


Next-Gen Family Game
An anonymous source suggested that the next Xbox will launch with “a family game set on an island with Pixar movie-style graphics” that “will utilize Kinect to scan a body and generate a virtual character in the game.”[11] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/11/ryse-forza-rumored-as-xbox-720-launch-titles)


Thief (http://www.ign.com/wikis/thief)
Square-Enix's reboot of Thief was announced for PlayStation 4 "and other next-gen platforms" for release in 2014. [12] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/05/thief-4-coming-in-2014)


The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (http://www.ign.com/wikis/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt)
Witcher 3 was officially announced by CD Projekt RED for release in 2014 and is set to target "all top of the line consoles and PC." It was advertised as "a next generation RPG." [13] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/05/the-witcher-3-is-official)


Next-Gen Zombie Game
An anonymous source suggested that the next Xbox will launch with "a zombie game," which has caused some to speculate that it could be Dead Rising 3. [14] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/11/ryse-forza-rumored-as-xbox-720-launch-titles)


Rainbow 6: Patriots (http://www.ign.com/wikis/rainbow-6-patriots)
Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot said Rainbow 6: Patriots is still in development and "there's a good chance it can be” pushed to next-generation consoles. [15] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/13/rainbow-6-patriots-could-move-to-next-gen)


Mafia III
Rumors suggest that Mafia III is in development at 2K Czech and was delayed in order to shift to next-generation consoles. [16] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/07/is-mafia-iii-headed-to-xbox-720-playstation-4)


Doom 4 (http://www.ign.com/games/doom-4/pc-14252444)
Bethesda confirmed that an early version of Doom 4 "did not exhibit the quality and excitement that Id and Bethesda intend to deliver and that Doom fans worldwide expect" and was canceled in favor of a new one. Rumors suggest that the game is targeting next-generation consoles and that a planned sequel to Rage was canceled in order to add more members to the Doom 4 development team. [17] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/04/doom-4-reportedly-planned-for-next-gen-rage-2-canceled)


Watch Dogs (http://www.ign.com/wikis/watch-dogs?objectid=160917)
While the game has been confirmed for PC, PS3, PS4, Wii U and 360, leaked marketing materials say it's coming this holiday to "all home consoles." This would imply the next Xbox. [18] (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/16/watch-dogs-coming-later-this-year)



Ready at Dawn Next-Gen Game
The developers of the God of War PSP games are developing "an exciting new AAA IP for a Next-Generation home console game system." [19] (http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1219711p1.html)


Next-Gen Sonic Game
Sega notes that Sonic "won't become photo-real" in next-gen games and that he "will always remain stylized and will have that bright, colorful world. What the high hardware spec will allow us to do is make that more convincing." [20] (http://games.ign.com/articles/122/1220759p1.html)


Square-Enix "Luminous" Games
Square-Enix is showing off its "Luminous" tech engine, capable of highly realistic next-gen graphics. Luminous will make games 30% cheaper and shorten development cycles. [21] (http://games.ign.com/articles/119/1199800p1.html)


Crytek Next-Gen Game
Perhaps Homefront 2 or TimeSplitters 4? Crytek was the company that originally outed the Xbox 720's Durango codename.[22] (http://games.ign.com/articles/119/1195501p1.html)


Lionhead Studios Next-Gen Game
The studio (sans Molyneux) has been on the lookout for programmers with experience using the Unreal Engine, and "significant experience leading teams designing and implementing modern rendering engine." Example given is DirectX11, which is rumored to be compatible with the Xbox 360's successor. [23] (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1219526p1.html)


Remedy 'Future-Gen' Game
Alan Wake developer Remedy posted on its community forums that it is hiring more than 20 people for work on a game for "future generation consoles." [24] (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/1221428p1.html)


http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-720/List_of_Xbox_720_Games

[I OU a Beatn]

I don't think that's what Major said. He said we'll be getting a taste of the new generation, which to me, means all the details about the hardware itself, and then a few games. It would be incredibly stupid on their part not to show off at least a few of their games. Then we'll get the rest of the them and more details about the hardware during E3.


List of Xbox 720 Games


Exactly what I was saying. People on the internet have been complaining the last 2 or 3 years about "no games" and they've all jumped to that conclusion that Microsoft is going to continue that trend. It doesn't take a genius to realize that virtually all of their major studios haven't been releasing much because they've been working on next gen stuff.

I don't know why Ready at Dawn is on that list. I'm pretty sure they're a Sony owned developer.

[I OU a Beatn]

Microsoft on Wednesday confirmed that the next Xbox video game console, code-named Durango, will be revealed to the public during a special event at its Redmond campus on May 21. That event will kick off a multi-event unveiling that will continue through June and culminate with the release of the device, which is expected in early November.

On March 28, I exclusively revealed via Twitter that Microsoft had changed the original reveal date for the next Xbox from April 24 to May 21. So yesterday’s confirmation is interesting for two reasons, the least obvious of which is that the news came on April 24—the original date that the firm intended to reveal the next Xbox.

Related: "Microsoft Touts Xbox Momentum and Future"

Here’s what I know about the next Xbox (along with some clearly identified conjecture).

Early announce. The initial reveal date was pushed back from April 24 to May 21 so that Microsoft could better position the device against the PlayStation 4, which Sony announced in late February.

Full (end user) announce. Microsoft will fully reveal details about the next Xbox, including the launch lineup of games, on the eve of the E3 tradeshow in early June 2013.

Developer announce? It appears that Microsoft will discuss the next Xbox developer platform at the Build conference in San Francisco in late June, based on clues on the Build website.

Launch. The next Xbox will launch in early November 2013.

Windows 8 Core. The next Xbox is based on the "Core" (base) version of Windows 8. This suggests a common apps platform or at least one that is similar to that used by Windows 8. It also suggests that Microsoft could open up this platform to enthusiast developers. (That last bit is supposition on my part.)

Price. Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console: a standalone version for $499 and a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.

No entertainment box. Microsoft originally planned to offer both a “full” version of the next Xbox (with video game playing capabilities) and a lower-end entertainment-oriented version, code-named “Yuma,” that didn't provide gaming capabilities. But plans for Yuma are on hold, and no pure entertainment version of the next Xbox will appear in 2013 (or possibly ever).

Blu-ray. The next Xbox will include a Blu-ray optical drive.

Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be Internet-connected to use. This is the source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

Another Xbox 360. Microsoft will also deliver a third-generation Xbox 360 console this year that will be significantly less expensive than the current models. The new Xbox 360 is code-named “Stingray,” but it’s not clear whether this device is required because the next Xbox isn’t backward-compatible or because Microsoft simply wants a low-cost entertainment box alternative. (A third possibility—and to be clear, these possible reasons are all speculative—is that the Xbox 360 simply has life left in it and with dwindling component prices in the 8 years since the original launch, the firm can still make money selling such a device.)

There’s a lot I don’t know, of course. The name is a big area of speculation, and while I’ve heard nothing official, I’d be surprised if Microsoft didn’t just called it Xbox. I’ve never seen the console, nor have any idea what it might look like. And in addition to the aforementioned confusion over backward compatibility and the apps platform, there are questions surrounding Kinect (which I understand is integrated and non-optional) and of course the fabled (and possibly imaginary) Xbox Surface tablet. We’ll have to wait and see what Microsoft announces—or what it leaks—to find out more.

On that note, Microsoft’s May event will be broadcast live via Xbox.com, over Xbox LIVE, and on Spike TV if you're in the United States or Canada.

Source (http://windowsitpro.com/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/here-comes-next-xbox?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+windowsitpro%2Fwininfo+%28WIN %3ENews%3EWinInfo+News%29)

$500?! Holy shit, that thing better wash my clothes and do my do my dishes for that much. I realize I paid $600 at launch for a PS3, but I was young and dumb back then. I don't know if I can justify that big of a price tag on something that I really don't think will be all that major of an upgrade, especially since I have a fairly new gaming PC sitting here.

All the rumors I've said pointed to the Next Xbox and PS4 being similar in price, but I don't know if Sony can afford to have a console that doesn't sell well right off the bat, and I certainly don't think there will be massive demand if it's priced at $500. I guess time will tell.

[CLW]

Source (http://windowsitpro.com/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/here-comes-next-xbox?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+windowsitpro%2Fwininfo+%28WIN %3ENews%3EWinInfo+News%29)

$500?! Holy shit, that thing better wash my clothes and do my do my dishes for that much. I realize I paid $600 at launch for a PS3, but I was young and dumb back then. I don't know if I can justify that big of a price tag on something that I really don't think will be all that major of an upgrade, especially since I have a fairly new gaming PC sitting here.

All the rumors I've said pointed to the Next Xbox and PS4 being similar in price, but I don't know if Sony can afford to have a console that doesn't sell well right off the bat, and I certainly don't think there will be massive demand if it's priced at $500. I guess time will tell.

Actually $500 or $539 for the "cheap one". However, if you need live for the $500 also maybe not.

[gschwendt]

Actually $500 or $539 for the "cheap one". However, if you need live for the $500 also maybe not.
Yeah... not sure how the math works out. If you get the $500 one, you still have to get Live which is I think $40 a year minimum. Unless they are stripping features from the $299 one, it makes more sense to get it.

[I OU a Beatn]

Hmm, that's interesting that you said that. Assuming Live stays the same(which I'm sure it will), it'll cost $60 a year. Without tax, the $500 model would cost $620 over 2 years while the contract option would cost $540 over 2 years. That literally makes...no sense. My Live runs out in November, coincidentally, so if that is actually the plan they are going to use, I'll just get the contract console if I decide to get one.

[GatorfanStovy]

god dam 500$ ouch I hope that better chance in half or something geez Micrs$oft gets gutsy

[SmoothPancakes]

Honestly, not surprised. I've been expecting MS and Sony to both be around $450-$500.

[bdoughty]

Roughly what I was expecting. Just hoping from a drop by the time I decide to jump on board.

[SmoothPancakes]

Roughly what I was expecting. Just hoping from a drop by the time I decide to jump on board.

Yep, I'm not jumping to next-gen until at least 2015. So by then, any fuck-ups in the launch consoles while already be sorted out and the new and improved later versions will be out. And the price will hopefully at least be a little bit cheaper by then. But with my assumption correct that the consoles would be priced in the $450-$500 range, that, for now, kills any plans to get both 720 and PS4. Looks like I'll be sticking 100% Xbox for the time being when it comes to next-gen. I can't justify spending $1,000 on two consoles. I wouldn't even play both enough to justify the cost. I'd end up probably playing one more than the other, so that second console would just become a part-time $500 paperweight.

[souljahbill]

Yep, I'm not jumping to next-gen until at least 2015. So by then, any fuck-ups in the launch consoles while already be sorted out and the new and improved later versions will be out. And the price will hopefully at least be a little bit cheaper by then. But with my assumption correct that the consoles would be priced in the $450-$500 range, that, for now, kills any plans to get both 720 and PS4. Looks like I'll be sticking 100% Xbox for the time being when it comes to next-gen. I can't justify spending $1,000 on two consoles. I wouldn't even play both enough to justify the cost. I'd end up probably playing one more than the other, so that second console would just become a part-time $500 paperweight.

I'm not jumping in for 3 or so years myself. I'll play my Wii U until the price drops. It'll take 3 or 4 years before next-gen NCAA starts to hit its stride.

[SmoothPancakes]

I'm not jumping in for 3 or so years myself. I'll play my Wii U until the price drops. It'll take 3 or 4 years before next-gen NCAA starts to hit its stride.

Yep, I'll still be just fine rolling with my 360. I never upgraded to current-gen until 2009, I did just fine keeping with PS2 and Xbox for most of last decade, I'll be fine continuing with 360 for a couple more years, especially since I just got a Slim a year ago to replace my 360 Elite that had a failing disc drive.

[baseballplyrmvp]

if it doesnt have the problems that the 360 had when it first launched with the massive amounts of rrod, i'd be fine with spending that much on a console that last 5-10 years. my current 360 has lasted 8 years now, but i had it repaired once back in 07? due to rrod.

[JBHuskers]

I have quite a few games on both sides to play through on the current generation, I really doubt Microsoft blows me away with anything that I need to get it in the first year even. Plus I've decided that I'm getting PS4 on day one or as soon as I can without having to camp out.

[CLW]

I have quite a few games on both sides to play through on the current generation, I really doubt Microsoft blows me away with anything that I need to get it in the first year even. Plus I've decided that I'm getting PS4 on day one or as soon as I can without having to camp out.

Amazon imagine if everyone here purchased a 720/PS4 through the kickback link we could all go on a vacation to the Bahamas. :nod:

[gschwendt]

The next Xbox rethinks DRM, Achievements and Xbox Live friends, our sources say
http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/26/4268782/next-xbox-drm-achievements-live (http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/26/4268782/next-xbox-drm-achievements-live)

Also, video capture like the PS4.

[I OU a Beatn]

Sounds good to me. According to that, the online requirement is exactly the same as the PS4 - entirely up to the publisher of the particular game to decide. I personally can't wait to see the new Live features.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/JzgFT9uW0jY

[CLW]

X-Box Infinity to have touch controller

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-57582004-235/will-the-next-xbox-be-called-xbox-infinity/ (http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-57582004-235/will-the-next-xbox-be-called-xbox-infinity/)

[I OU a Beatn]

I really wish all this touch screen, Kinect, motion control, etc... would just die already.

[GatorfanStovy]

the touch screen crap won't die because people love to have it on the phones etc so the gamers want to have it as well. It 's a big fad.

[I OU a Beatn]

the touch screen crap won't die because people love to have it on the phones etc so the gamers want to have it as well. It 's a big fad.

Yes, fad. It's fine for navigating a user interface on something like a phone or tablet, but that's it. No one wants it in their console gaming, and no one wants it in their PC gaming(ask Microsoft how their Windows 8 OS is selling if you want proof of that).

The sooner this Move/Kinect/Illumiroom/whatever else crap dies, the better.

[SmoothPancakes]

Yeah, I love touchscreen on my phone. It's much simpler, much easier, much more user-friendly than having to sit there pressing arrows a bunch of times on a keypad to get what I want highlighted and selected.

On a game controller? Fuck that. Give me something along the lines of the 360 controller and I'll be perfectly happy.

[souljahbill]

For what it's worth, I LOVE having a touchscreen on my Wii U.

[morsdraconis]

The problem with touchscreen isn't the fact that it's there. The problem is NO game uses it in a way that actually makes the gaming experience better.

[souljahbill]

The problem with touchscreen isn't the fact that it's there. The problem is NO game uses it in a way that actually makes the gaming experience better.

Zombie U, Madden 13, and NintendoLand all disagree.

[gschwendt]

Touchscreen and touchpad are also two totally different things.

Touchscreen I can see the benefit of in a game... think picking a play in a football game or something similar.

Touchpad, I see very little benefit for it other than how it's used on a laptop to control a mouse pointer.

[souljahbill]

Touchscreen and touchpad are also two totally different things.

Touchscreen I can see the benefit of in a game... think picking a play in a football game or something similar.

Touchpad, I see very little benefit for it other than how it's used on a laptop to control a mouse pointer.

This, I agree with.

[JBHuskers]

An internal Microsoft memo reportedly debunks the always-online Xbox rumor: http://go.ign.com/18NHts9

[CLW]

An internal Microsoft memo reportedly debunks the always-online Xbox rumor: http://go.ign.com/18NHts9

Interesting. Who knows at this point. Of course, the e-mail may just be one employee's argument/idea against any "always online"/"#dealwithit" ideas that may or may not have been previously included.

At this point MS would be DUMB to go that route but maybe they think they have stronger brand loyalty than I do in the States.

[JBHuskers]

Though there is no way I'm going to do both systems at launch. $300 + a 2-year contract at $15 per month; which INCLUDES Live is a nice deal. Maybe by the time I'm ready for both next gen systems it'll be $250 + $15/mo or something.

[morsdraconis]

Though there is no way I'm going to do both systems at launch. $300 + a 2-year contract at $15 per month; which INCLUDES Live is a nice deal. Maybe by the time I'm ready for both next gen systems it'll be $250 + $15/mo or something.

$660 instead of ~$500 (~$400 for the console and $50 a year for Live) seems insane to me. :smh:

Then again, paying for access to a place that's main attraction also requires extra money is also insane to me.

[JBHuskers]

$660 instead of ~$500 (~$400 for the console and $50 a year for Live) seems insane to me. :smh:

Then again, paying for access to a place that's main attraction also requires extra money is also insane to me.

But the key thing is you don't have to drop it all down at once.

[I OU a Beatn]

How is paying for Live for features you can't get anywhere else insane? I guess I could believe that if it was a lot more expensive, but $40 or $50 a year... that's a truly minimum fee to pay for a service that you enjoy and use every day.

...and while I'll personally buy the thing outright if I decide to get one, I can see why people would elect to spend $600 over a period of 2 years rather than dropping $500 all at once. It's not something I would do, but there's a benefit to it.

Personally, I've been hoarding Amazon credit for the past year, so I'm really hoping I'll be able to buy both and not spend a cent of my actual money. If they're both going to be priced around $400, I should be close by the time they release.

[I OU a Beatn]

Was going to post this a few weeks ago, but considering it claimed there would be no online requirement during a time in which it seemed as though there would be, I just wrote it off as fake. However, may be something to speculate over now.


So yes, I originally made a post on pastebin that I then posted on IGN that has now mysteriously vanished from the internet. I’m guessing good ‘ol Don wasn’t too happy.

In that pastebin post I said I wouldn’t be saying anything else, but that was before a few things changed. So yeah…. #dealwithit.

That IGN post (that referenced the pastebin post) was also posted on NeoGAF. Though it didn’t get much attention.

In that pastebin post I specifically mentioned that I was a GAF member, but that I would not be outing myself on GAF for fear of losing my job. And I still will not be doing that. I’m not an idiot.
However since the reveal is pretty close now, I thought I’d just come out and tell you everything I know. No more cryptic bullshit, just facts.

First of all, for any of the GAF members reading this (or anyone else for that matter) that actually believed the online-required rumor, well…. you’re either stupid, very gullible, or a fanboy. Reading the posts some of you made over the past few weeks leads me to believe that mostly fanboyism was involved. So, I’ll make this very clear:

You are not required to be connected to the internet in order to play Durango games and MS were NEVER considering doing such a thing. Now please, just read that last sentence over and over again until it sinks in. Done? Good.

Now that I’ve got that out of the way I can talk about the real details.
First, I’ll admit some things that I originally hinted at in the first pastebin are now not going to happen. Mainly the April 18th date (obviously) and the HMD glasses. The date, as you may know by now was pushed back to May, and the glasses, well, although they’re kind of working are going to spend a bit longer in the oven.

Ok, moving on. Have you read the VGLeaks article about the Durango specs? Yes? Good because everything you read in that article was 100% correct. Except, for one tiny little detail that MS kept guarded from most devs until very recently. That detail being that every Durango ships with a Xbox 360 SOC.

There was a reason why MS hired so many former IBM and AMD employees. I’ll admit I’m not an electrical engineer (I’m in software) so I won’t pretend to know the ins and outs of how the 360 SOC integrates into the Durango motherboard. All I know, and all I need to know about this new change is that I (or a game dev) can use the 360 SOC in parallel with the original Durango hardware.

What does this mean in basic terms? Well, apart from Durango having 100% BC with the 360, it also increases Durango’s processing power a fair amount.

Ok, so what else?

Kinect 2.0: – Again the specs from VGLeaks are correct, there’s been no change and there won’t be. However, the fact is, is that software can do ANYTHING, and with the quite substantial increase in the hardware over Kinect 1.0, any humanly noticeable lag should be gone

Controller: – The controller is pretty much the same. The D-Pad has been improved, but the change will only be noticeable when actually using it, i.e. it looks exactly the same, I haven’t actually touched it, this is just what I’ve been told. AA batteries will make a return, but the new wireless tech MS has created for the controller, improves battery life by 16%. Again, this is just what the doc says.

Xbox Mini/Xbox TV: Yes, this is happening, although as far as I know, it’s a whole different team over at MS that are handling this. As has been reported its main purpose is to compete with Apple TV, so expect this thing to be small and around $100.
It contains the 360 SOC (similar to the one in the Durango), however no disc drive is included (to decrease size). But of course you can still play any XBLA/Games on Demand game. That’s all I really know about the xTV so I’ll leave it at that. Thurrott seems to know more than anyone else about this, so go ask him.

OS/Services: I wish I knew more about this, but I honestly don’t. I have no clue what sort of new ideas MS are going to bring to the table this gen, but I’m certainly expecting them to amaze.
The only thing that I do know for definite is that Durango will be running Windows 8. It will essentially be the full version of the OS, minus the desktop side of things. This means it’ll be running the new WinRT framework, which as a side effect also means that contrary to popular belief MS will be the most indie friendly of all the big 3 next gen.
This is because any app/game that is created for the Windows app store will (after adding controller support of course) be playable on Durango.
In other words, any random person worldwide can pay Microsoft a $60 license fee (for the Windows Store) and submit their app/game to the store where millions of people can then download/buy it. No expensive development kits needed.
Expect to hear much more on WinRT – Durango at Build2013.

Ok, so that’s pretty much it. I wish I had more info on specific games and services that MS have lined up, but it seems that even I’ll have to wait until May to find out.
I’ll look forward to this post appearing on GAF, where rest assured I’ll be lurking. Hell, who knows I may even make a few posts.

I wonder how many people will refuse to believe this? Hmmmm….

Source (http://www.vgleaks.com/rumor-durango-leaks-analyzed-by-anonymous-source-pastebin-doc/)

If this turns out to be true and it's 100% backwards compatible with 360 titles, that's a massive blow right out of the gate to Sony. I'm still a little hesitant to believe it, but I guess we'll find out in 2 weeks.

[CLW]

Yeah unless I read that huge block quote wrong he seems to be referring to a "720" gaming console and a "mini"/entertainment only unit. I've read several other rumors/reports that MS long ago went away from that idea. Who knows time will tell. I've seen/read NOTHING that would force me to switch from a PS4 to a 720.

I'm only getting one and unless the cable thing is basically free/cheap full blown cable t.v. to beat my current provider I'm not interested in some sort of "add on" to my current T.V. DVR setup.

[I OU a Beatn]

Yeah unless I read that huge block quote wrong he seems to be referring to a "720" gaming console and a "mini"/entertainment only unit. I've read several other rumors/reports that MS long ago went away from that idea. Who knows time will tell. I've seen/read NOTHING that would force me to switch from a PS4 to a 720.

I'm only getting one and unless the cable thing is basically free/cheap full blown cable t.v. to beat my current provider I'm not interested in some sort of "add on" to my current T.V. DVR setup.

He mentioned the Apple TV competitor device, but from what he said, that has nothing to do with the Xbox console itself. I've read another rumor that said the mini-box somehow hooked into the actual 720, and it provided backwards compatibility that way. In this article, he states there's supposedly a 360 chip built inside the main device that will allow 100% backwards compatibility.

I don't think that's a feature that's necessarily there to get people to switch consoles. Backwards compatibility with the prior console is a feature meant to keep the customers you already have. I have close to 100 360 games sitting here, so there's no doubt having backwards compatibility would automatically get me to buy the Next Xbox on launch day. It would also lead to higher day one sales as people would be willing to ditch their 360, keep the games, and then upgrade to the 720. Keep your games, play on a new console.

For the record, I'm not interested in any of their TV service offerings. I buy a console for the games and the online features involved with games. The system that has the best games, best user interface, and the best online features gets my money. I'll probably end up with both eventually, but those 3 things are what determines which one I buy first. This cable TV, music, Kinect/Move, and all that other garbage doesn't interest me at all.

[morsdraconis]

How is paying for Live for features you can't get anywhere else insane? I guess I could believe that if it was a lot more expensive, but $40 or $50 a year... that's a truly minimum fee to pay for a service that you enjoy and use every day.

...and while I'll personally buy the thing outright if I decide to get one, I can see why people would elect to spend $600 over a period of 2 years rather than dropping $500 all at once. It's not something I would do, but there's a benefit to it.

Personally, I've been hoarding Amazon credit for the past year, so I'm really hoping I'll be able to buy both and not spend a cent of my actual money. If they're both going to be priced around $400, I should be close by the time they release.

Nearly 50% of the people that buy Live use it for Netflix than any other way of watching Netflix. It's insanity to me to pay $50 as well as another $10 for Netflix streaming.

[I OU a Beatn]

Yes, but I have to assume that they don't pay for Live just to watch Netflix. Who would be that stupid? I pay for Live and I watch Netflix, but I don't even consider Netflix being part of the subscription. I consider my $40 a year to go to the ability to cross game chat and use parties.

But, if anyone out there pays $40 or $50 a year for Live JUST to watch Netflix, then I'll agree with you, that's insane. There's multiple other options out there that allow you to stream Netflix for no additional cost, so again, it would be highly stupid of someone to pay for Live just to use Netflix. I just hope there's no one out there that dumb.

[morsdraconis]

Yes, but I have to assume that they don't pay for Live just to watch Netflix. Who would be that stupid? I pay for Live and I watch Netflix, but I don't even consider Netflix being part of the subscription. I consider my $40 a year to go to the ability to cross game chat and use parties.

I have several friends that do that for their parents because it's easier than doing it through their computer.

[I OU a Beatn]

I have several friends that do that for their parents because it's easier than doing it through their computer.

Well, that's just ridiculous. Again, $40 or $50 a year really isn't that much, but if you're not using the online features for Xbox, I don't see the point. Especially you can just pay the standard Netflix fee and then get something like a Roku and watch it at no additional charge.

[CLW]

This is why "Always Online" is a bad idea:


http://youtu.be/rwUIP-R63vM

[JBHuskers]

You get what you paid for :D

[CLW]

You get what you paid for :D

I'm really hoping they do go with Always Online and I really do hope COD (or some other HUGE title) cannot handle the server load just to see the mobs of angry 12 year olds screaming profanities and crying on the Youtubes. :nod:

[I OU a Beatn]

I'm really hoping they do go with Always Online and I really do hope COD (or some other HUGE title) cannot handle the server load just to see the mobs of angry 12 year olds screaming profanities and crying on the Youtubes. :nod:

In the case of a title as massive as Call of Duty, if it's always online on the next Xbox, it's 100% guaranteed it'll be online required for the PS4 as well. Let's not forget that Sony didn't say "there is no online requirement," but rather, said it was up to the publisher of each title to decide if that will be a requirement. I'd imagine the next Xbox will be set up the same way. On multiplatform titles, if it requires online access on one system, it'll require it on the other, too.

But as for your scenario, it's bound to happen. It doesn't even have to have an online requirement. At least once a month something goes wrong with the "servers" on Call of Duty and people are losing their minds.

Nothing will ever top the PS3 hacking meltdown a few years ago, though. Watching people bitch and complain about that was one of the funniest things I've ever read on the internet. Of course, if I didn't have a 360 to play at the time, I probably wouldn't have found it as funny. :D

[bdoughty]

You get what you paid for :D

It was a complete mess. I loved the first one but two days in I could not connect with the server. I finally got to play once and then removed it from my hard drive.

[cdj]

Speculation abounds about the name of Microsoft’s next-generation Xbox, set to be revealed on May 21st. Will it be called Xbox 720? How about its codename, Durango? Will it be called just Xbox? Or how about Xbox Infinity?

According to sources speaking with The International Business Times, it’s the latter moniker – Xbox Infinity – that’s the name of Microsoft’s third console. “Sources related to development of the new Xbox have confirmed to IBTimes UK that the console… will be called Infinity,” the article states.

The article also states that developers have next Xbox development kits, a given considering the console is likely to launch in fewer than six months.

While this information is still unconfirmed by Microsoft – it’s unlikely we’ll have any solid confirmation before the 21st – rumors have long swirled that the next Xbox may be called Loop, or perhaps even Fusion. It may even be called Xbox 8, likely in reference to the Windows 8 operating system.

Courtesy: IGN (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/09/the-next-xbox-is-reportedly-called-xbox-infinity?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social)

[morsdraconis]

Xbox Infinity? :fp:

[JBHuskers]

Xbox Infinity? :fp:

And beyond!

[I OU a Beatn]

Better than Fusion, but still shitty. Why not just name it Xbox?

[JBHuskers]

XBOX Lunch

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

[GatorfanStovy]

Just name xbox 720 already and be done. It is that hard Microsoft ?

[bdoughty]

Just name xbox 720 already and be done. It is that hard Microsoft ?

Always thought calling it the 720 would be kind of odd. Would you expect them to call the system after that the Xbox 1440 and so on? Sony has it right just giving it the next number, MS just wants to be the hipster doofus and try to give it some catchy name. All of which are better than naming your system the WiiU.

[GatorfanStovy]

Always thought calling it the 720 would be kind of odd. Would you expect them to call the system after that the Xbox 1440 and so on? Sony has it right just giving it the next number, MS just wants to be the hipster doofus and try to give it some catchy name. All of which are better than naming your system the WiiU.

no not odd just logical imo. keep the numbers going . no need for a fancy name. true gaming fans won't care.

[CLW]

Listened to the IGN Playstation Podcast last night and they all seemed to think that Microsoft has something "BIG!" in store for the 720. Their thoughts/theories/speculation included:



HEAVILY subsidized price point - i.e. like a cell phone - pay $200 for the console but require a monthly contract for service ($15-$20/mo) with a 2 year agreement
Some sort of "new" earth shattering/ground breaking way incorporating all forms of entertainment into a single box - DVR; Cable; Windows 8/PC; phone calls; etc.....
Incorporating Kinect 2.0 into above making everything voice controlled enabled
That crazy thing I've seen elsewhere that MS is working on that turns your entire wall in front of you into the screen.


Any thoughts/predictions?

For me none of the above matters its all about games to me. I don't "get" why it's great to go all entertainment where right now I simply can switch from my gaming console to cable dvr by a simple press of one button on a remote.

I predict that MS will also not require Always Online (they might let developers do it) but after the heat/back lash they faced I don't think MS is stupid enough to go that route.

I suppose the ONLY thing that might make me pause is if MS got some HUGE coup for exclusives (Say EA will ONLY produce games on the 720) and Sony had no immediate plans to replace that niche in the market with either another 3rd party studio or their own studio. (honestly I'd love to see if Sony could make a football game since San Diego has practically nailed baseball).

[morsdraconis]

HEAVILY subsidized price point - i.e. like a cell phone - pay $200 for the console but require a monthly contract for service ($15-$20/mo) with a 2 year agreement

It's almost guaranteed that that is going to happen. EVERYTHING anyone inside as seen is it's going to equal out to ~$600 over the 2 year period for the console and Xbox Live subscription on their base setup (~$250 for the console and $15 a month basically).


Some sort of "new" earth shattering/ground breaking way incorporating all forms of entertainment into a single box - DVR; Cable; Windows 8/PC; phone calls; etc....

I just simply don't see that happening. So many things that they'd have to get subsidies for. That's a SIGNIFICANT amount of money that Microsoft would have to shell out in the front of the console (combined with the INCREDIBLY large cost of the system initially).


Incorporating Kinect 2.0 into above making everything voice controlled enabled

Seems likely that they could possibly go the Wii route and make it a pivotal input device for the system, but I don't think they'll be that stupid. The backlash would be ginormous from the hardcore gaming community.


That crazy thing I've seen elsewhere that MS is working on that turns your entire wall in front of you into the screen.

That's just dumb. No one wants to play like that.

[SmoothPancakes]

Meh, could care less about all the stupid, dumb as hell, rumors and speculation now. Four days is all that's left until we know the actual details. It's to the point rumors and speculation are a waste of time now.

[JBHuskers]

Meh, could care less about all the stupid, dumb as hell, rumors and speculation now. Four days is all that's left until we know the actual details. It's to the point rumors and speculation are a waste of time now.

To me, they were always a waste of time :D

[steelerfan]

To me, they were always a waste of time :D

:+1:

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[I OU a Beatn]

I don't see how any of those things are "big" features anyway. Of course, being from IGN, I guess that makes sense. :D

[CLW]

To me, they were always a waste of time :D


Meh, could care less about all the stupid, dumb as hell, rumors and speculation now. Four days is all that's left until we know the actual details. It's to the point rumors and speculation are a waste of time now.


:+1:

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.


Not true they boost your oh so important TGT post count at a minimum. :nod:

[SmoothPancakes]

Not true they boost your oh so important TGT post count at a minimum. :nod:

That's what my NCAA dynasty is for. :D

[bdoughty]

Meh, could care less about all the stupid, dumb as hell, rumors and speculation now. Four days is all that's left until we know the actual details. It's to the point rumors and speculation are a waste of time now.

Ready for this crap to be over too. Have your announcement, show your hardware and set your price. Sony finish up what you started releasing a price and what you console will look like. I will check back in a year or so, probably around the time of a next gen NCAA football release.

[JBHuskers]

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/970766_10151614693106208_1397886700_n_zpsc652dde0. jpg

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/8drCfv7za-4

[bdoughty]

They better not screw with the controller. I love the controller as it is.

[GatorfanStovy]

more flatten controller, no more points , new dashboard boo xbox... leave it all alone..

:fp:

[JBHuskers]

What time is the reveal tomorrow?

[CLW]

What time is the reveal tomorrow?

9:00 a.m. PDT

so for central that means 11:00 a.m.

[JBHuskers]

9:00 a.m. PDT

so for central that means 11:00 a.m.

Thank you sir.

[morsdraconis]

9:00 a.m. PDT

so for central that means 11:00 a.m.

Are you completely sure about that? I was under the impression it was 10am EST.

[CLW]

Are you completely sure about that? I was under the impression it was 10am EST.

Went off of IGN's link

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/08/watch-the-xbox-reveal-event-live-on-ign

[morsdraconis]

Went off of IGN's link

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/08/watch-the-xbox-reveal-event-live-on-ign

Huh. Weird. They must have changed it because everything I saw originally said the event was happening at 10am EST.

[CLW]

Huh. Weird. They must have changed it because everything I saw originally said the event was happening at 10am EST.

It's actually probably even later than 12 EST. For PS4 IGN did like an hour or so "pre-game" show. My guess would be they do something similar for 720 but I haven't followed it that closely so I'll prob just tune in at 11 CST.

[I OU a Beatn]

It's 10 a.m. PST. IGN's coverage starts at 9 because they think people want to listen to them gabble for an hour about what's about to happen, but the actual conference doesn't start until 10.

[SmoothPancakes]

It's 10 a.m. PST. IGN's coverage starts at 9 because they think people want to listen to them gabble for an hour about what's about to happen, but the actual conference doesn't start until 10.

Hah, screw that. I'm skipping all that pointless bullshit and either turning it on on TV or watching over my 360 come 1 p.m. EST. Screw that stupid ass pre-show crap.

[JBHuskers]

Hah, screw that. I'm skipping all that pointless bullshit and either turning it on on TV or watching over my 360 come 1 p.m. EST. Screw that stupid ass pre-show crap.

Pre-show to a console reveal is like jerking off before the hooker comes into the room.

[morsdraconis]

So, 1pm EST. Lame. Guess I'll have to watch a repeat of the stream or somethin'.

[SmoothPancakes]

Pre-show to a console reveal is like jerking off before the hooker comes into the room.

Yep. Especially when they don't even have a damn thing to talk about other than endlessly repeating all of the dumbass rumors, half of which won't even be true.

[SmoothPancakes]

A good way to do it in my opinion. Give us the meat and potatoes of the system tomorrow, maybe a few things here and there regarding games, and then swing the right hook at E3 with the games portion of the unveiling.

[JBHuskers]

I thought that was already announced? Or did it just become "official" today?

[I OU a Beatn]

According to Major Nelson, conference will only be about an hour long tomorrow. Definitely not expecting much game-related news if that's the case.

[bdoughty]

EA has guaranteed we will see next gen Fifa tomorrow, so there will be game shown.

[I OU a Beatn]

EA has guaranteed we will see next gen Fifa tomorrow, so there will be game shown.

If it's only an hour, not much will be shown. By the time they're done spouting facts about this past gen and how well they did, revealing the console specs, showing the thing off, and then demoing some of the new features, there probably wont be much more than a game or 2 shown. They may announce whatever it is they're doing with EA, though.

I'm not watching either way. I've watched the past few E3s and the Sony event a few months ago and was bored to tears every time. I'll just read about it afterwards.

I'm hoping for a REAL Gears game but I'm guessing I'll have to wait awhile for that, if ever.

[JBHuskers]

That could just be a reveal and not necessarily at THE reveal.

[GatorfanStovy]

What time is this show on today? I'm trying to look it up on guide but spike isn't showing it is on at noon. Oh well xbox live it is then.

[GatorfanStovy]

5 mins people. Get your shit ready!!!!!!

[CLW]

Keep me posted fellas. I cannot get it to work here at work. Crappy cpu/net making it cut in and out and too loud too low on volume. So in lieu of getting canned I request updates and I'll just watch it all on replay tonight.

[oweb26]

Yeah I dont want to watch this at work myself, I think Ill take lunch right now and see whats up from my car on my tablet.